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doing. ♪ ♪ ♪ face a hearing this week with donald trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, or evolves along -- sideshow legal issue. compared to the larger problems facing the former president. he wants to move his case from state to federal court. we'll learn from his nearly four hours of questioning has locations of a change for venue for the. trial in addition to giving us the first sense of what the argument may be from a number of trump's legal coconspirators. of which there are many. the testimony was another flashing warning sign of what a second trump term could look like. let's -- keep defense for mark meadows. he argued that the allegations outlined in the indictment, you know, the unrelenting pursuit of baseless claims of election fraud. the pressure campaign on georgia officials to find

votes. the conspiracy -- trump in power. he says all of that was quote, part of my role. and he doesn't think anything he did including overtly political campaign activities was outside of his scope as chief of staff. that may all sound pretty outlandish to you. understandable ferraz. even laughable. but it tells you a heck of a lot about what's happening inside the white house at that time. meadows himself acknowledged that he helped coordinate the fake electors scheme for trump's campaign. because trump might yell at him if he didn't. that's literally what he said. here is the thing, the job of the white house chief of staff is to have tough conversations. i've worked for six of them, i can promise you that. it's their job to tell the hard truth to the president. and sometimes that means you get yelled. that meadows was supposed to be a chief of staff that was a hard-core six conservative. but also a protector of the constitution. if meadows can show this blind

allegiance it's a pretty big warning sign that a second trump term would be far worse. chris ripple is the authority on the white house chief of staff, he wrote this in the new york times. for mr. meadows, his place in history is secure as a primary enabler of a president who try to overthrow democracy. but his example should serve as a warning of what will happen if mr. trump or against the white house. all guardrails will be gone. that by the way is something i've heard from many, many people who have worked in the administration's about their concern. should trump be elected in 2024 there should be little doubt that he will surround himself with even more damaging versions of yes men and women than we've seen today. people similar to say former trump doj official, jeffrey clark, who if you don't remember this tried to blackmail other members of the justice department to do the former president's bidding. that guy would probably be on the shortlist for attorney general. people similar or worse that rudy giuliani, yes, that guy

who just this week was found liable of defaming to election workers so relentlessly that he put their lives in danger. these are the type of people that would install in the second term. people that top levels of government who will tally him exactly what he wants to hear. not the hard truths. we can basically control. people who will agree to attack and to prosecute any of his adversaries. people who will say, yes sir, all the time. my biggest take away this week was not just about the legalities the, actions taken in trump's first term. there's a lot to dive into here. but also about the damage that could be done if he gets a second crack at staffing the government with blind loyalists and sycophants. joining me now is congressman adam schiff, impeachment manager during donald trump's first impeachment trial and a member of the house select committee on january six. congressman schiff, thank you for joining me on labor day weekend. you followed this also closely

given your various role in congress. were you all surprised when you are watching mark meadows testify on anything he had to say on monday? >> not surprise so much about what he had to say as the fact that he said it at all. but he felt the need to take that gamble, big gamble by taking the stand. it's an indication of the fact that he feels he needs some kind of hail mary to escape a potential conviction. but also if he were successful and removing the case to federal court he has the potential to knock it out completely. by arguing immunity. but listening to that testimony, reading what he had to say, i think it's a weak case of a removal but also for immunity. if actions of a chief of staff to try and subvert an election, overturn an election, to defraud and violate the laws of a particular state. are somehow within the job description of a federal chief

of staff. description ofthe constitution e justice jackson words, a suicide pact. and as he wrote in that dissent the constitution is not a suicide pact. it shouldn't be interpreted in such a way as it would negate itself. but i think he feels it necessary to take a profound risk with this testimony. >> given as you just said a profound risk that he took by testifying for more than four hours. that now can all be used by other prosecutors. did you hear anything that might be useful for jack smith and his team as they're working to put together their case in prosecuting the federal election interference case? >> mostly the absurdity, the argument that he did this as part of his role in order to determine what further reforms might be necessary to election laws. where to see that the election law was carried out. that i think would be very

successfully mocked during the course of the trial. and it should be. it's absurd. but he was by a large pretty careful about what he was saying. using repetitive -- counseled by his attorney. but the absurdity of the argument will ultimately be used against him. >> it's such a good point, it's worth telling everyone, reminding everyone that it's not your role as white house chief of staff to work to overturn an election. one of the things, congressman, that stood out to me was when meadows was asked directly by state prosecutors if he had any role in the fake electors. he said no i did not. the prosecutor that submitted into evidence and email that meadows said to trump campaign advisor, jason miller, when he wrote, we need to have someone coordinating the electors for states. you've been in a range of positions in these courtrooms. did he perjury himself there, how problematic is that for him? >> i think it's very

problematic, it can be more problematic if there is other evidence that prosecutors produced of his role in the fake electors plot. this is why most attorneys would have counseled against him testifying. other than a last resort. because he isn't completely familiar for the discovery, maybe he remembers these emails, maybe he's flat out lying and he's exposing himself in that way as well. it also may be that he has familiarize himself with all of the volumes of material. this is the risk, the parallel of trying to get out in front like this. to remove the case -- are only showing a fraction of what they have on various issues so they can prepare at trial to use this testimony against him. >> there is an argument circulating about whether the 14th amendment that privates anyone engaged in insurrection or rebellion from holding public office, barr as trump

from running for president. it hasn't been tested in our system before. what is your thoughts on whether it's a valid argument? >> i think it is a valid argument. the 14th amendment section three is pretty clear, if you engage in accidents or auction or rebellion against the government, or you give aid and comfort to those who do, you're disqualified from running. it doesn't require that you be convicted of insurrection. it just requires that you have engaged in these acts. it's a disqualification from holding office again. and it fits donald trump to 80. i think this will be tested with the secretary of state, refuses to put him on the ballot or puts them on the ballot and is challenged by a litigant. i would imagine it would go to the supreme court. and that's the big question throughout all of this. which is what what the supreme court do, there's prominent constitutional scholars, as well as prominent progressive scholars who doesn't --

will the court take that step ultimately not only time will tell. i think it's a very legitimate issue by the clear terms of the 14th amendment. he should be disqualified from holding office. >> congress isn't returning for a couple weeks. but republicans are ramping up top of an impeachment inquiry into president biden. here is what marjorie taylor greene recently said. >> i will not vote to fund the government and last we have passed an impeachment inquiry on joe biden. >> shutting the government down has implications on the public broadly. what's your reaction to her tying a government shutdown to an impeachment inquiry? >> it just shows the extreme length that it will go to carry water for donald trump, to shut down the government, we'll do what they can to initiate an impeachment of joe biden. and part of the motivation here is to subvert and distract --

and part of it is to somehow try to loop the stain of trump's impeachments. the common denominator is that this unswerving, undeniable willingness to debase themselves and the service of donald trump. many of them will look to shut down the government anyway. this will just give them further leverage to shut down the government having failed to default on the nations credit. many see this as the next demonstration of their commitment to god knows what. i fear that we're on a path for government shutdown. there are enough members of the conference who want it, and have -- do what it takes to remain speaker one more day, one more week, that's his sole motivation. congressman adam schiff, always a pleasure to have you, thank you so much for joining me today. >> thank you. coming up, some republicans in georgia are taking aim at

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digging in, and lashing, out as the former presidents for criminal cases continue to move for the courts. they have tried discrediting the indictment, calling him, among other things, political prosecutions. they threatened to de-front the prosecutors, who are trying to hold from accountable. and now, they are casually talking about political violence, and civil war. >> i told one senator, i said listen, i said, we've got to

put our heads together and figure this out we. need to be taking action right now. because if we don't, our constituencies are going to be fighting it in the streets. do you want a civil war? i don't want a civil war. i don't want to have to draw my rifle. i want to make this problem go away, with my legislative means of doing so. and the first step to getting that done, is defunding fani willis. >> i don't have to draw my rifle. that was georgia state senator -- . who by the way, donald trump has praised for his plans to kneecap fanning willis investigation. but republican leaders in georgia seem to be drawing the line. instead of interfering, many of them are promising to abide by the basic tenants of the law. at a news conference this week, governor brian kemp flatly rejected calls for a special session, or any action against willis for her indictment against trump. >> i have not seen any evidence that the a willis's actions, or lack thereof, warrant wanted by

the prosecuting attorney oversight commission. the special session of the general assembly, two and -- is not feasible. and they ultimately may prove to be unconstitutional. as long as i'm governor, we're going to follow the law, and the constitution. regardless of who it helps, or harms, politically. >> in this day and age, it is kind of newsworthy when republicans don't blindly to donald trump's bidding, believe it or not, in 2023. he has always benefited from a tremendous amount of political cover for members of his own party. but it does on the way that's going to be in universal the case, this time in georgia. joining me now is former georgia state senator jen -- who actually testified before the grand jury of fulton county. so great to see you today, thank you so much for being here with me. so, i just wanted to start, first of all, with kemp's rejection of the special session. what do you make of that, and which we all take away from? it >> look, i think a, he knows that he really shouldn't do that, because whatever what

happened would be illegal, right. it's definitely, you know, there's something called separation of powers and the constitution, and you can't just do anything you want, no matter what republicans in georgia, or some republicans in georgia think. and then, separately, look, what willis is doing is, she is prosecuting a case. if trump is not guilty, or is going to be exonerated, then let the process play out. but, just bringing charges, in and of itself is not grounds for going after her, or defunding her office. >> so, this past move past may, the governor did sign a law that has a new commission that has the power to investigate complaints, and remove district attorney's. that commission will not be said until october. it is currently being challenged in the court. but, you know georgia politics well. i mean, do you think there are a bunch of republicans working to try to take advantage of this? or what should we be anticipating here? >> absolutely. because, anybody could make a complaint. it's not even like you have to be someone who lives in fulton county, and has a problem with the district attorney there.

they are going to use this as a political vehicle, to go after prosecutors that they don't like, or that they don't like what they're charging decisions are. and look, one of the biggest things was that there were a lot of democrats that were, you know, people of color that got elected in 2020. and so, the law originally was really kind of a pushback on all of those folks waiting office. and then now, it's just rolling into the trump stuff, where now they are using this law, specifically to go after willis, because they don't like that she is prosecuting trump. >> i mean, you mentioned the separation of power, which i'm so glad you did, because it's important to remind people that that is part of a tradition of our country. is there any repercussions for people going after willis, for politicizing these cases, for trying to prosecute her? >> i think so. i mean, what's interesting is when i always try to tell people, specifically even in the political context is, be careful what you wish for, right, or what you push, because the door goes both ways. so, now we've got this

prosecution oversight committee, that goes after prosecutors that don't make appropriate charging decisions. well, you know what, folks that don't like what republican prosecutors are doing can use the same thing, if we think about ahmaud arbery, right, and that prosecutor in south georgia. so, it's going to be used as a vehicle. but really, for folks politically, now are there going to be repercussions for that? there should be. but you never know in georgia. i mean, that's the problem. we seem to have a very short political memory, in terms of what people are actually doing, and the policies, and then whether or not we vote for them in the future. >> so, a lot to watch there. so, there are a number of codefendants in the case that have demanded a speedy trial. hence, some of them are going to have their trial start in october. what do you make of that strategy? i know you kind of question whether that is a good strategy for them or not. why would it not be a good strategy? >> look, one of the biggest things is, you don't know what the prosecutor has. so, a lot of times, as an

attorney, you wouldn't do it because you are trying to call the prosecutor's hand, right. their office is not going to be ready. and under georgia law, if you demand a speedy trial, you have to get it. and if you don't get it by a certain time, then you are effectively acquitted, as a matter of law. so, it's one of those things where when you make that the man, you're going to go to trial, effectively within 2 to 3 months. and, you don't know what the prosecutor has. and here, with respect to d.a. willis and her office, they have been working this case up for two years. they are ready to go. she wasn't going to actually launch, until she was ready, in terms of the indictment. and so, that's why i question it, in terms of a strategy, because the only people that could possibly be called flat-footed, are the defendants, and the accused. >> because she has already done all her homework. now they have to actually claim for the test. >> she's gotten all the witnesses. i mean, there was a special grand jury proceeding, where they had, i think it was like 76 witnesses. can you imagine the discovery, of what they know. and, to be quite frank, all of

these various different defendants, have no clue what she knows, who's cooperating with her. and what she has in her back pocket. >> so, we are expecting a ruling, as early as this, week on mark meadows's request to move his trial, move the venue of his trial. what do you make of his argument? and what is your expectation, knowing georgia law, and whether he could be successful here or not? >> well, it's kind of interesting. because, as a general matter, federal law in terms of -- is kind of a low bar, right. you just have to show you are a federal official, it's a very, it's usually pretty easy to get over. but, not with the facts of this case. i mean, meadows did as much as he could, to basically minimize his position in front of the judge. i mean, i was always like, where you and admin, like where you're getting coffee and tea for folks. and just doing the counter. which we know as a chief of staff, that's not really what they do. but, i think he lost a lot of credibility with that, because he was out there. i mean, he came to georgia, he tried to kind of push his way into a room, where they were

auditing votes. and his fingerprints are all over everything. and of course, the moment when he effectively he lied on the stand and said, well, he did have anything to do with the fake elector thing. and then, of course, they just returning pulls out an email. that's the problem with a speedy trial, that's the problem of testifying so early on, when you have no clue what exactly the prosecutor has. >> but that's in -- of all the things that could pull out, -- thank you for joining me today. coming up, rudy giuliani may have to finally pay for his lies. i will talk to the attorney representing the election workers he defamed. and later, i want my one-on-one conversation with senator chris murphy. back, after a quick break. ck, after a quick break. things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis.

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you might remember that they are the mother and daughter who testified, before the january six committee, about what rudy giuliani did to their lives. >> i've lost my name, and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. all because a group of people, starting with number 45, and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me. >> rudy giuliani can never undo the pain he caused ruby freeman or shaye moss. but now, he has to pay for. join me now is the attorney -- for so, congratulations on your victory this week. i just wanted to start. now we have a trial to determine how much giuliani much spay his clients. so, what can we all expect during that trial? what should be watching for? >> well, i think that this phase is going to be a damages quantification face, which doesn't sentenced to sign to most ordinary people. but what it really means is,

it's a chance for our clients to tell their story, of the harm that has been caused to their lives, and how it has upended everything they have, and everything they knew about. it would give us an opportunity to demonstrate what that means, financially, and what that means, we think mr. giuliani should be required to pay, to our clients, for the harm that he has now been found to have caused. >> and you said tens of millions, potentially, if you do your jobs. do you think that will prompt others, who have been defamed by rudy giuliani, or other trump allies, to come out and file lawsuits? >> i mean, one of the purposes of punitive damages awards is to send a deterrence message, and is to send a message that. it's actually one of the purposes of sanctions as well. so, when you think about why has the court entered an order of default judgment defining liability. it's in part, to send a message to people, that you are choir to cooperate with court orders, you are required to produce documents, when you receive

subpoenas. so, there are consequences to this kind of action, and we do hope that it will send a message to, not just people who might want to engage in defamation, but it will send a message to election workers, and people who want to be involved in the system, that there are people who are out here who will have your back, and they're people who will stand up for you, if these kinds of lies, and this kind of harassment occurs to you in the future. >> now, one of the people who did not provide documents is rudy giuliani. i mean, even as he is claiming, recently, that he has scientific evidence to prove election fraud took place, he has been saying that for years, he has never produced. it he has not produced it in this case, which presumably would have helped him, if he actually had it. it explains to low at -- >> its very puzzling jen. and it happens often with people who are proponents of conspiracy theories. there is always some pot of gold, at the end of the rainbow, that would be discovered, that demonstrates that, all of the details of the conspiracy. but, the thing about litigation,

and the thing about civil litigation is, there comes a time to put up or shut up. and that time came, and rudy giuliani had an opportunity, not just to turn over the documents that we wanted from him, but any documents, at all, that demonstrated any of the claims of fraud, that he had in this case. >> and i think, would you see from the opinion of the court issued is, he basically turned over nothing. we didn't get any affidavits from these magical witnesses, who could prove the fraud existed. we didn't get any reports of scientific evidence, showing fraud. we got nothing, so, i think it is, it's puzzling that after all of these promises of fraud, and all this time, that there is just no evidence to back any of it. and the reason is actually pretty simple. if you just watch the video that rudy giuliani claims demonstrates fraud, ad as has been explained by the republican election officials in georgia, it doesn't show anything other than ordinary processing of the counting of ballots, performed by honorable, decent servants, who volunteered for that duty. >> so, so many people i think

watching, are really rooting for rudy, and -- but then there's this question of, if you suit successfully, you're the victim of your own success here, giuliani, why not sue trump to? >> well, we do get that question quite a bit. i can't really speak for, i can't really speak to that in a televised interview. >> oh. >> all i can say is, if people continue to defame our clients, i don't care who they are. but, if people continue to go on tv, and repeat these lies, that we have demonstrated to be false, then they can expect to hear from us. >> sounds like if donald trump is out there defaming ruby and shaye, he should stay tuned. how are ruby and shaye doing? it doesn't change their lives, how did they react to the recent ruling, over the past couple of weeks? >> yeah, they were thrilled with the ruling, it is vindication for what they have been saying, for a couple of years now. it is vindication for their

decision to not take this lying down, to actually stand, up and do something about it, both from them and what's happened to their lives, before the other election workers who are out there, and other civil servants who have been harassed, and denigrated. and so, they are very happy with this step in the process. they recognize we are not done yet, and that there is more work to be done. but, i think that they see this as an important step in the right direction. mike gottlieb, thank you so much for joining today, congratulations to root ruby and shaye as well. coming up, more gun violence, samuel talking points republican politicians. i've got a few thoughts about one of their favorite go to arguments. and later on, senator chris murphy, if he believes now is the time congress can really close the so-called gun show we will, as the biden administration is proposing. we are back, after a quick break. break.

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challenge, period. >> we've talked about the need to improve mental health in this country, and that's been a driver of a lot of these shootings. >> we have people though, with mental health, that were not taken care of. >> we have a mental health crisis, that often disguises itself as gun violence. >> we also do have a mental health epidemic across this country, chuck, that really is reflective of a hunger for purpose and meaning. >> even if mental health really was the only factor here, and of course it isn't, you think that these same politicians would be all for funding more mental health programs and resources. but that doesn't seem to be the case. for example, medicaid is the largest payer of behavioral health services in the country, they support lots of mental health funding. and time and time again, republicans in congress have continued to slash medicaid. and take a look at the ten mostly red states, that haven't adopted the affordable care

act's medicaid expansion, which basically means they are declining extra money from the federal government, that would help to cover mental health care for lower income families. so, lots of the same people who were saying gun violence is a mental health issue, are refusing to provide more coverage for mental health services. in the meanwhile, those who solely blame mental health for mass shootings, are also stigmatizing the very people who struggle with it, struggle with mental health. the fact is, only 5% of mass shootings are related to severe mental illness, according to a study from columbia university's department of psychiatry. and although 25% of mass shootings are associated with depression, and another other non psychotic mental illnesses, in those cases, those conditions are incidental. we've also seen some elected officials point to mental health to deflect from the dangerous ideologies that clearly motivate many mass shootings, like say, the shooting at the dollar general store in jacksonville last weekend, where the gunman did have a history of mental health issues. but when a white man targets

black people in kills three of them, racism is clearly at play. and all you heard in these officials was mental health. there wasn't talk of racism. now, meanwhile, consider this. mental health is an issue everywhere. a brand-new study, led by harvard medical school at the university of queensland, found that half of the world's population will experience a mental health disorder at some point in their lifetime. and yet, the u.s. gun homicide rate is 26 times that of other high income countries. our mental health problem isn't unique, our gun violence problem is unique. so, what's the outlier? i'm sure most of you won't be shocked to hear, it's the guns. the united states has more guns than people. u.s. civilians have an average of 120 and a half firearms part 100 people, more than one per person. that is the biggest in the world, by a long shot. so, the republican argument that a mental health crisis is the only reason we have a horrific gun violence problem in this country, just isn't

accurate. it's also a big cop out. mental health is a big issue, and everywhere and there's no question that we need to be better at finding care for those who are struggling with loneliness anger and, isolation. many republicans who are outraged about the mental health crisis have the power to vote for that funding. but there's a long list of public societal issues, that could lead some to become angry, or radicalized enough to want to commit a mass shooting in any country. the only reason someone here in united states could act on it so easily, is that they can go out and buy a gun, in a matter of days, if not minutes. and that is inherently an american problem. senator chris, murphy a longtime advocate of common sense joins me next e joins me nex uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket. (josh allen) it's not your best plan. but you know what is? myplan from verizon. switch now and they'll give you nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv, on them. (hero fan) this plan is amazing! (josh allen) another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly.

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skeptics would have you believe there are solutions to the epidemic of gun violence in america. just this week the biden ministration move forward with the plan to regulate gun sales

in the united states. the new proposal which is a direct result of the bipartisan gun reform law passed by congress last year with eliminate the gun show loophole. right now a massive amount of private gun sales are happening with a background checks. this new proposal would require all fire arm dealers to get a federal license into conduct criminal background checks. regardless of where the guns were sold. joining me now is when the country's most vocal proponents, reform democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator morphine is great to see you and labor day weekend and thank you for joining me today. >> thank you for having me and it's great to be with you. >> we have been hearing versions of closing a gun show loophole for sometime. now a lot of us and you are talking about it for years. do you think there is a greater appetite to do this now and what do you hearing from republican colleagues it is encouraging? >> well you know of course there is such an exceptional issue in american politics today. the public is made up their minds. they want universal background checks at 85 or 19 95% approval

in this country. you don't get get that kind of approval rating for grandma or awful pie or baseball. it is the most popular thing in the united states, making sure criminals and people serious mental illness don't have gone. it has been so frustrating for voters in the capitol. that's why congress has not been able to get it. down but as you mentioned, they made a very important change. more than anybody in the business of selling. guns even if it is a part-time business. they have to be license and it has to perform back on track. so the biden administration announced just this week that they are going to be implementing that section of the bill and it is likely going to result in literally tens of thousands of guns that right now background checks and having back on track supply. it means is going to be a lot fewer criminals in a lot fewer people with mental illness are going to be able to find loopholes around the background check to get their hands on a

firearm. potential people who are signaling maybe 20 or 30 or 40 guns a year in a gunshot or online. they were not doing background checks before they're not going to have to do back rejects. by the, way five minute back on. checks which don't stop any law-abiding gun runner from getting her hands on the weapon. >> one of the other big challenges to state the obvious as of lying to his what the fbi director has been saying for years. that racially motivated violent extremism is the largest threat to our country. when you have talked about. this unfortunate you've seen what supremacy is a primary motivator of the number of bad shootings in the last years including recently in jacksonville but the violent rhetoric from not just trump at some of the other leading candidates continues to escalate. and indifferent you're trying to do in congress what can you actually do about this as a country? >> well i think there is two important things to see here. first, there is a direct through line between the

glorification and endorsement of violence that is happening in right-wing political circles and the usage of violence against black brown gay lesbian and transgender americans. the folks who are out there glorifying violence, the door part of trump's muse movement, they are sending an endorsement to people who think that they can deal with the demons by taking out to violence on people that they hate. but the second piece of this is a really into your opening. you talked about the scapegoating of the mentally ill. it is really important to point out that you don't have to be mentally ill to be racist. there are plenty of people who are not mentally ill who are hateful and prejudiced towards minorities and global populations in this country. it's just not true to look at many of these hate crimes and just write that away as a consequence of mental illness.

there's a difference between mental illness and folks that are distributing racist hate material. and have to be held accountable for that. >> back in congress the senate is not back quite yet, there is lots of thought about what is going to happen when you do return. we've already leadership side in the dear colleague letter that the focus will be on funding the government and preventing republican extremists from forcing a government shutdown. but people who are just tuning in to the possibility, there are threats of an impeachment inquiry to president biden. do you think that will be the holdup in getting the government funded through the house? one of the issues that will be debated here? >> it would be an absolute tragedy as this economy is recovering as we are seeing record job growth as we are seeing wages rise if we saw the gunman shut down because of government demands that the

lasting are economy needs right now. the truth of the matter is that we can keep things operating, we can keep up by jared, but is it going to be 100 150 most radical republicans in the house of representatives and in the coalition of democrats and a handful of recent publicans of the house along with the senate that can pass through the budget. this will have an effect as to whether they're willing to stand up to the right wingers and stand up for impeachment or whether he's gonna let them run the business. not just the house of representatives, but run the business of the night states of america. that is a question you will have to answer in the next 30 days. >> taking in the presidential race there is polling that shows that joe biden and donald trump are tied in the head to head race. it is very early. and trump actually thankfully when you include the right party candidates. if you go through absent flows, i want to ask you the savvy

political. got how concerned you think people should be about a third party spoilers? it is something you are concerned about? >> we certainly look back to prior elections like 2000 and the inclusion some of these third-party candidates were positive and you think we are in a bit of a different time right now and i think the states are higher and less likely that we are going to throw away their vote on a third party candidate when actually to the election day sometimes people are more willing to suggest they'll vote for third party candidates and polls and less willing with actually comes down to decision time but i think joe biden is going to do incredibly well. probably run against donald trump and beat donald trump by a margin better than any of the last elections. i think it is because he's going to have a pretty incredible record. they're gonna be issues like abortion. that are going to drive even more voters, especially young voters, out to the polls in

2020. i think her success in passing things's prove to those younger that when they turn out and vote for democrats, we actually can get things done on issues like guns, choice and -- i'm not worried about the 2024 election. all of these close polls made by voters is incredibly well. >> a few people you do a tour of the world, with you are one of them. you're on the foreign relations committee and there is reporting that some weapons are being sent to the front lines of ukraine, ending up in russian hands. how do you feel about the accounting you have been given about the status of that? do you want more information would you feel satisfied with what you have? >> i feel good about the. account the front lines are dangerous chaotic places. in every single conflict, there are banned weapons that are changing hands.

the territory changes hands. what i have seen thus far, the information they have been given tells me that the ukrainians have been incredibly thoughtful and responsible in the usage of the records. i think what you're going to see is a lot of opponents of the ukraine war supporting ukraine in this war. propagandist surround vladimir putin who are going to try to come up with lots of excuses to why we should not give weapons to the ukrainians. but one of those reasons is not that they are in usage of the ukrainians have been incredibly responsible and we should continue to support them. >> senator chris murphy thank you for the tour of the politics gun violence ukraine. can't do that with everybody. really put your time. today we're coming right back after this quick break stay with us. s. whenever you are ready. (man) are there any snakes? (woman) nope. (man) are you sure? here we go! (vo) it's time to push your limits. (man) okay. (woman) you're doing great!

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