we're going to miss you, jimmy, all of us parrot heads. thanks for watching. we'll see you next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." e if it's sunday, it's "meet the press. thank you for watching. and welcome to politicians nation. tonight it's arraignment week. all eyes will be split between atlanta and washington, dc, this week. and georgia on wednesday, arraignment day for the 19 defendants in the case led by fulton county d.a. fani willis.

trump pleaded not guilty, and 11 of his codefendants waived their right the appear in court. meanwhile key witness, former white house chief of staff mark meadows is waiting to hear if his georgia case will move up to federal court, and the georgia special grand jury report is set to be released on friday. trump, by the way, is fund-raising like crazy off his mugshot. i want to know who are those people who give money to the so-called billionaire so he can cover his legal expenses. oh, and in case you were wondering, a recent "wall street journal" poll of republicans put trump's support a stunning 46% higher than the second-place ron desantis. and in our nation's capitol, congress will begin to work in washington on tuesday with just

a few more days until another possible government shutdown. after the black caucus announced black americans are being attacked nationwide and blaming republicans as leading these efforts. that's where we start today. of course, joining me now is the chair of the black caucus, congressman stephen harsford, democrat of nevada. congressman, the chairman of the black caucus announced last week black americans are being attacked in various ways nationwide with republicans leading the efforts. you spoke at the state of the black american precedent. you spoke at the capitol in washington and spoke at several state gop state legislatures who have intensified your concerns, you said. police elaborate. >> reverend sharpton, it ee

great to be with you. congratulations to you and to the king family for the continuation march, the 60th anniversary march on washington last saturday. it was definitely the impetus for the work that continues, and with your leadership and the leadership of so many other civil rights leaders, we are going to realize dr. king's dream. as you know, the attacks on everything from our democracy to women's rights to make health care decisions about their own bodies, to the attacks on blackness with the latest from ed bloom and his alliance dealing with the lawsuit against the fearless fund against black entrepreneurs, this is the latest attack, attacking black businesspeople trying to create

wealth for their family and black community. only 1% is with black businesses. so it's very alarming because these attacks are coordinated, they're well-funded, and clearly ed bloom is behind it. he's been behind the latest lawsuits on affirmative action. he was behind the roe versus wade attacks, and so we have to call it out the way it is. we have to say who is impeding our progress in this moment. but we are not going back. we're not going to be silenced, and we're going to continue to advance this issue. you said ed bloom is this part of it. it's in terms of not only when

they won a supreme court decision in terms of college admissions but on businesses and lawmakers saying you can't have programs specifically to deal with having blacks and people of color elevated or given contrast. and then yesterday on "politicsnation" right here on this show, we had gop presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. i want you to listen as he answered when i asked him about affirmative action and adversity programs. listen to this. >> i want to make sure these kids aren't trapped in the ghetto of the zip code they happen to be born in. to the contrary, i think every parent deserves the opportunity to send their kids to the best possible school. that's why i favor radical school choice in this country. i think it's a mystery, ref rev sharpton, those who wax racism

are also opposed to education mobility. that's why i say shut down the u.s. department of education. the $80 million, send it to the parents so they can send their children to the best possible school they can. >> i asked you about affirmative action and i asked you about business and bloom. he pivoted over to talk about charter schools and education. he tried to duck and weave, but i wouldn't let him do it on this show. it also shows they're trying to build straw men up instead of deal with congressional issues. >> your interview was spot on.

i wish the candidate would just really get out of the way because he is the one who's stoking these racial tensions in our country. for him to make comparisons to members of congress, our own congresswoman ayanna pressley and the kkk, is outrageous, it's irresponsible, and it ee dangerous. it's the kind of rhetoric that led to the mass shooting in jacksonville, florida, which governor desantis helped stoke with his rhetoric. but as you said, while we strike these attacks on the extreme right, we have to look at the agenda when we lift up black america. when we lift up black america, we lift up everyone. as you know, we have the legislative policy conference coming up in washington, dc, starting december 20th through the 24th.

during that congress we're going to position not only democracy and race but economic mobility and wealth creation at a time when black people are under attack, we want to talk about ways to advances, wage, and wealth. with the partnerships, the economic alliance and the network they're doing under your leadership, we can put forth an agenda that moves america through jobs, better-paying jobs, through smalls by creation, and through wealth creation for black families and black communities. >> this monday with the kings and other leaders, i went to meet with president biden on the 60th anniversary in washington.

president biden and vice president kamala harris met. you spoke at the march, of course. i obviously was there. i called on president biden to hold the next hate summit, the summer of hate crimes we did last summer, let's hold it in florida after the recent shooting there that killed three innocent blacks. and, in fact, today i heard and saw that there was a rally of neo-nazis in orlando on yesterday. i got a call and we talked about it early this morning. how is it that they talk on this matter of hate crimes and enforcing of hate crimes? >> well, look. the proud boys and groups like them have been named by homeland security as the single biggest threat to domestic security, and

they are a domestic terrorist organization. you've seen the indictments that have come down and the latest charges that have been made as well as the sentencing. but specifically as it pertains to florida, here you have governor desantis, the same governor who has tried to erode black history, to try to rewrite black history, to try to claim that slavery was somehow -- some kind of a work program that provided benefits to enslave people, and then he wants to show up at the candlelight vigil for the families and the community that was mourning the very deaths of the individuals because of the racist attack on their community by a while

supremacist. so the black caucus will continue to fight and make sure that those who are responsible for these attacks, whether it's on our democracy or whether it's on our blackness are held accountable, and we don't care who they are, including the former president of the united states. they must be held accountable. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. i'm out of time. but thank you and thank you for all you're doing, congressman steven harsford, chair of the congressional black caucus. joining mu know is chicago mayor brandon johnson. mr. mayor, thank you for being with us. i want to go to a new report released on tuesday by the center for the study of hate and extremism at california state university in san bernardino. they had the most record-breaking jumps in hate

crimes in 2022 for the second straight year. for the second straight year also chicago had the most significant rise in hate crimes. overall, an 84% increase. you were elected mayor of chicago this year and this data is from the previous two years. i want to be sure to also mention that as summer has come to an end, new data shows that chicago murder rates are down by 21% from 2021. however, i want you -- i want to get your reaction to this hate crime data that preceded you by just a few months, and how concerned are you that chicago is also leading in american cities in dealing with hate crimes as you seem to effectively be dealing with crime. >> thank you, reverend sharpton,

for your leadership, and, again, having the audacity to lead with so much boldness. we do appreciate that here in chicago. we miss you. >> thank you. >> you know, look. it's clear that the entire country is suffering from this overwhelming divisive presentation that's being promulgated by political forces that clearly have not accepted the results of the civil war. in fact, it is evident that many of these leaders want a rematch, and as you know, the history of anti-blackness, particularly here in chicago, finds its roots that were, you know, planted a very long time ago when reverend martin luther king jr. came to the city of chicago. he described it like no other place on the planet.

and, again, unfortunately because we've had these systems that, quite frankly, have demonstrated anti-blackness over the course of decades, whether it's closing down public schools, shuttering public houses, there are systems that have demonstrated hatred and animus toward black existence, but i'm grateful that the multi-cultural general racing move management that propelled an organizer, a public school teacher, a middle child of ten siblings to a state floor certainly has arrived, and as you've indicated, we've been working incredibly hard with a multi-tiered layered approach with the full government to create a full safer chicago. i'm glad we have the civil

rights leaders, faith community, my organization to build a much stronger and better and safer chicago. >> following up on that, the recent killing of three black americans in florida, black americans are the most victims. it confirms the trends showing black people where the targets are more than one-fifth of all hate crimes that were reported in major american cities last year. the highest of any other group. chicago is about a third black. according to the u.s. census bureau data. what do you think is fueling the rise of targeting black americans specifically, and in answering that, how do you as a newly elected mayor, major city,

an activist as you came in, deal with the potential hate crimes remaining up in your city and the black crime that is being perpetrated on each other with violence? you brought it down, but it's still there. so you've got a double kind of assignment here that you have to balance out. >> well, we certainly have a lot of work in front of us, but there's not a lot of challenge that's too big in the city of chicago and, quite frankly, this country. we've overcome challenges before, vicious attacks between black people. just a couple of days ago, i declared august 0th, chairman fred hampton, senior day here in the city of chicago where you know he was front line fighting for black liberation, and he understood that black liberation had a ripple impact on other

groups. it's the same spirit. we have revived the city of chicago to, one, make sure we're thriving with our philanthropic community. we're stepping up to mate critical investments in communities that have been long-starved. look, whether it's the former president trump igniting this insurrection and attack against our democracy or, again, whether it's the fact that for every one particular that a white family earns, a black family earns one cent, these systems of oppression have gone unchecked for a very long time, but, again, i'm grateful we have a new superintendent that will be confirmed, chief larry snelling, who is the proud son of inglewood. he's going up against the ranks for the first time in chicago. we have a deputy mayor devoted to safety. we have so many individuals in

this city and, quite frankly, around the country, that continue to ask the most dynamic question, what can we do to help? that's what it's go ing to take. we need to bring people together, not subject ourselves to the type of visceral hatred that's been promulgated against black folks, asians, jewish brothers and sisters, lgbtq plus community, all of these different groups that have suffered under tyranny. i'm grateful to be in a position where, one, again, full force of government to deal with safety. two, there's a major piece of legislation called treatment, not trauma, that will show up to crises where mental health professionals are needed. three, we're also making sure we're going to raise new revenue, bring chicago home to deal with the housing crisis in the city of chicago that has affected the entire country. these last 1 12 days we have not

totally disrupted ten days of it, but we certainly have laid the foundation to build the apparatus to build a better, stronger, and much safer chicago. >> chicago major brandon johnson has been there 112 days, and hasn't put any fire in the belly up next. thank you for being on. coming up, a new school year is underway, and it's time to rise up and push against radical right wing politics in the classroom. but first my colleague richard lui with today's top stories. >> thank you. a very good sunday to you. officials say a death is being investigate at the burning man festival. the person's identity was not released yet. an estimated 70,000 attendees were asked to shelter in place and conserve find and water amid the heavy rain.

a convicted murderer was spotted. a surveillance camera caught him just a mile and a half from the prison. he was convicted in august to stabbing his former girlfriend and sentenced to life without parole. and mccarthy pledged support after touring the fire damage and stressed the importance of moving forward. 124 are still unaccounted for with 115 dead. more "politicsnation" for you with reverend al sharpton right after this break. with reverend after this break

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as we approach labor day weekend, summer is drawing to a close and many students have already returned to school. our public learning institutions are meant to mold our leaders but increasingly they've become a ba battleground politic. they have banned critical race theory or are in the process of doing so according to government.com. it states florida is completely being rewritten. i've led demonstrations against curriculums suggesting black people somehow benefitted from slavery.

they tracked nearly 1,500 book bans in just the past year alone. some 20 states have banned gender-afarming care for minors according to the quality federation, a policy decision with troubling implications with schools from the classroom to the bathroom. many parent,s, no doubt, feel outraged and overwhelmed by the objection of radical right-winged politics into the educational realm, but there are ways to push back. if you have the inclination, consider running for a school board seat in your community. conservative groups have been targeted school boards for years. but lately progressive groups are also getting in the game and winning races, even in republican-dominated states like ohio. even if politics aren't for you, you can still make time to

attend a few meetings and see what's going on. find out what concerns and challenges they face. many teachers in america struggle to procure even the most basic resources they need to do their jobs. they can use all the encouragement and support we can give them. public schools should be one of our countries most important priorities, but too often recently, our classrooms have been politicized and now teachers have been demonized. we must rise up and demand our schools be appraised where every child can receive quality edded indication free of charge regardless of their race, their religion, their gender, or their politics. we'll be right back. , or their politics we'll be right back. i don't. cascade platinum plus... with double the dawn grease fighting power and double the scrubbing power. for a no rewash clean... and a cabinet ready shine. upgrade to cascade platinum plus. dare to dish differently.

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welcome back to "politicsnation." let's bring in our political panel. two former members of congress. on the left, democrat donna edwards of maryland, and on the right, david jolly of florida. miss edwards, we have a busy week ahead around trump's indictments, his codefendants in georgia case who have not entered their pleas yet will be arraigned on wednesday. in federal, classified documents case, the government will begin turning over classified domments on thursday. all the while trump continues to fund raise off his mugshot. his campaign says he raked in at

least $9.4 million so far. i mean, what do you make of how these cases are shaping out and trump's ongoing push to fund-raise off his alleged crimes? >> look, it's getting really hard for me to keep track of all of the cases and all of the procedures in the cases, and i think that we're going to find that that is true through the rest of this election cycle. it's hard to know how donald trump continues to campaign in this environment, but i'll tell you, that fund-raising number is completely reflected in his polling numbers. nothing seems to be able to move republicans off of donald trump, and he is using the litigation against him to his political advantage. now, i don't think that that at the end of the day is going to work out in the courtroom, but it certainly seems to be working for him right now in the political space.

>> david, unlike the three other indictments trump is facing, his trial in georgia will be televised and livestreamed because of the state's open door media polpolicies. do you think that scares him? up until this point, the most we've been able to see as the public is trump arriving to courthouses. how historic will this be to actually see the trial? >> yeah, rev, it's always hard to analyze the fragile strategies of donald trump. as we know from very solid reporting, he really hates all of this. he's worried about his personal freedom and personal jeopardy. does he see a televise opportunity? that's part of his ethos, to own the story and own the airwaves, if you will. i think the interesting thing is this will be the first time that voters in american culture

absorb seeing him stand for trial. we haven't seen that yet. all we've seen thus far are the indictments and criminal charges and that has strengthened his hand in if gop nomination process. i suppose a trial would also strengthen his hand among republican voters. i still think his personal jeopardy, particularly live on air, is a handicap for him going up against joe biden next november. >> david, trump is still dominating the polling heading into fall. some of his republic republicano not want to go after him for fear of alienating his voters, but they can't see a path to beating him without attacking him at some point. what is the right answer? how do these gop candidates make an impact on the country under the sha shadow of trum?

>> i don't think they can. the last few days have been clarified. they were asked to raise their hand if you would support a criminally convicted donald trump, and pretty much they all did including ron desantis. so, reverend, it's impossible to say as a candidate, i would vote for donald trump. i don't think they should do that. you should vote for me. for the last two or three years, they say trump was a victim but now they change course and say he's not prepared to be president. republicans are too far down this road. i don't think there's any beating trump. i think he wins wire to wire. >> donna, turning to president biden, "the new york times" says biden has enlisted two dozen attorneys, legislative liaisons aen others to come up with strategies in the face of

republican threats of an impeachment inquiry. will this backfire on republicans? >> well, look. first of all i don't think there's any there there. so republicans are going down this path where they basically are holding the federal government as a hostage, saying we're not going to fund the government, which runs out of money at the end of september, unless we move forward on this impeachment proceeding, and that way they're unabashed in identifying this as a politically motivated act. i mean they've been so clear. so many of them have said on the record that they believe this is about damaging president biden as he goes into the election, and so i think it's really smart of the president and his team to try to get out ahead of this, to try to forestaal some of the damage that republicans want to reap on him, but at the end of the day, i just don't think it will work.

there is just no evidence to support an impeachment. you know, kevin mccarthy continues to go down this road where he is essentially at the beck and call of the most radical call of his caucus and at the end of the day it's going to fail them. >> briefly to both of you, a new poll by "the wall street journal" shows trump is the top choice of nearly 60% of republican primary voters. do you think the other candidates stand any chance, or is it still too early to tell? donna, then david. >> i just don't see a pathway for a single one of them to get to the nomination. donald trump is doom nating the field. even if you added up all of their numbers, they still don't reach a point of defeeding donald trump. i just don't see it. i agreed with david earlier that

it would be almost impossible for any of them to overtake donald trump. he's going to get their nomination. >> david? >> i think republican donors should save their money on any other candidate. this is donald trump's race. focus on influencing the former president if you're a republican and the direction you wish, but ultimately it provides the opportunity for joe bide on the say i'm a president who's going to list up all people. donald trump is somebody who's going to destroy the constitution, i think the choice is clear. >> all right. thank you to donna edwards and david jolly. coming up, as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of hip-hop, public enemy shedding a new light on the roots right after this short break. ght on the roor this short break and you know i didn't. it makes my running shoe look like new. it's amazing! wow, it makes it look like...

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welcome back to "politicsnation" as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of hip-hop.

founder of public enemy chuck d is shedding a new light on the genre's roots. this past june, an intersection in the bronx, south bronx to be exact, was renamed after black benjie, a gang member who was beat up in 1971 after trying to break up a fight, commemoraing him to bring about peace when there was systemic change. can you dig it, a hip-hop origin's story. the co-director is pete. he joins me now. thanks for joining me today and thanks for working with chuck d, my friend on this. congratulations on this.

many hip-hop stories begin with others at 1520 sedgwick avenue. but as you mentioned, your pod cac showing a different entry point. tell us how the tragic death of black benjie breathed life into hip hip-hop. >> thanks for having me on. it was a back-to-school jam, getting everyone back and ready to school so they could make money for clothing. that was the dawn of hip-hop. the night before hip-hop was really how it all began and it goes back to choosing peace and the power of peace to change the way you live from win, and we found that black benjie, cornell benjamin was the catalyst for the movement, for the art to travel through the bronx.

so when he was murdered, he was the ghetto brothers' peacemaker. they chose to change their world order to a peacemaker, and on his first assignment to de-escalate violence against three rival gangs they beat him to death. what the ghetto brothers did next when you talk about a plan, they decided to not retaliate and they held a peace treaty and over 50 gangs showed up and they decided to lay down their weapons. that gave the moon movement to art and form and traveled and to us that was the beginning of the seeds of the culture. >> now, hip-hop sought to speak the truth about inequality, injustice, police brutality, and violence, first as a music conversation and eventually becoming a dominant force in american culture as a whole. what has been the social impact

of that journey? i've worked with chuck d in the '80s and you and i talked about it on "morning joe," and it became a soundtrack to the movement, fight the power of public enemy. tell us about the impact. >> it's profound. it's changed the way we all love, film, entertainment, history. it's changed -- without hamilton, that's hip-hop right there itself. so it's literally been a part of the american fabric. we talked to chuck about that. you're informing people, inspiring people, and empowering people, but you're also allowed to tell your story. i think a lot of the people outside of the bronx, queens, staten island, they were able to get that story out to a wider audience and with a good beat. he talks about fists in the air. that story then travels and advertising works. i think the story got out.

there were hits, people were dancing to it, and they wereabs >> in a recent interview, they helped highlight a side of hip-hop history that was missing from other anniversary retrospective. what is that missing piece in your view? >> my view personally, the missing piece, are the four elements of hip-hop. i think it was exciting, but there's a lot of focus on rap and the genre in that history. but hip-hop as a culture is built of four elements, deejaying, emceeing, b-boy, and graffiti writing. that was important to get out there as well. i think hip-hop is a multi-cultural revelation where it was black, brown, white. it represented new york where it was born, and i think the dna of hip-hop is the dna of new york and it's obviously a

multicultural haven. i think that also came through that hip-hop is a diverse culture, not at a single, you know, community. >> yeah. and as you take stock of everything you learned putting together this podcast series and observing the discussion of hip-hop's 50th anniversary more generally, what are your thoughts on the future of hip-hop specifically as a force for social change? >> i think going back to your last segment again, i think we need to get this in the curriculum. i think this is part of the storytelling and working with museums and schools and getting this into the prjs where platforms aren't easily accessible. how are folks inspired by the story going to go it to hear it? it's the right places at the right time, right now. it's a commemoration of 50 years, but the work still has to get done. >> pete shillelagh, thanks for being with us. up next, my final thoughts.

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