increases. he is neck and neck with president biden. the former leader of the proud boys facing decades in prison. vladimir putin's fears over the stalemate in his flailing ukraine invasion. the mass exodus from burning man. look at that. continuing today in the nevada desert. we will have a live report from the latest area to be slammed by historic extreme weather. ♪♪ good to see you. andrea is on assignment. donald trump is taking a different political strategy with his latest indictment down in georgia. the former president fund-raising off of his decision

to waive an arraignment appearance in fulton county after embracing the spectacle from his previous three arraignments. six more trump co-defendants, including former chief of staff mark meadows, jeffrey clark and former trump attorney john eastman have entered not guilty pleas and filed waivers for their arraignments. the trump 2024 campaign has been boosted by the massive legal challenges with trump now in a dead heat in a hypothetical rematch with joe biden. joining me garrett haake, joyce vance and jackie alemany. garrett, start things off. we have had multiple pleas this morning right up against the deadline. take us through what we know so far. >> reporter: there's just one of the 19 co-defendants who has not entered a plea thus far. a relatively minor player in the

saga. one of the elections officials caught up in the broader rico case here. donald trump having filed his appearance waiver last week. we knew would not be attending. as you pointed out at the top, it's a split decision for the trump campaign. they have raised so much money around his legal problems. particularly around his appearances in various courtrooms, be they in new york or his surrender in georgia a few weeks ago where they raised more than $7 million. now they are trying to raise money off the fact he is not going, pointing out it will be televised, it's a spectacle that he doesn't need to participate in, even though those have benefitted him. we are looking out for, that i'm most looking out for, doesn't have to do with tomorrow's hearing at all, which sounds like it will be a lot of paperwork. it's a decision about the mark meadows next step. meadows has been arguing that his case belongs in federal court, even though he pled not guilty via waiver this morning.

that decision from the judge about whether his case will move to federal court remains outstanding. to me, that's the most interesting next shoe to drop in this saga. >> i'm so happy you brought that up. jackie, weigh in on that for us. especially how you see rudy giuliani there, his mug shot, second from the former president, how he is watching how this plays out with mark meadows as to whether he can move this thing to a federal court. >> yeah. we have been waiting for trump's lawyers to actually follow meadows and file to have these charges tried federally. his lawyers have yet do that. as garrett noted, it's likely because they are waiting to see how things shake out. we saw meadows appear before the judge last week in trying to make this argument that he was acting in his capacity as a federal official, as a

gatekeeper for the former president. seeking to depict his involvement as part of his duties as trump's top aide in the white house and his senior advisor. his attorneys have obviously argued that this should qualify the case for federal removal. in that situation, he would then be more likely to potentially dismiss those charges if the case did ultimately get moved. it's a little bit of a long shot case here. there are many people on the ground, particularly in georgia, who have said that meadows very clearly was not acting in his capacity as a federal official because he didn't have the rights constitutionally to begin with to intervene in a state election when he was part of the efforts that trump was taking to overturn the results of the election, like pressuring officials, like francis watson and the former secretary of the -- and the secretary of

state at the time to try to identify these unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. it is interesting that trump's lawyers have yet to actually go ahead and file this motion for federal removal. it's likely because there are a host of others who are also in line to do this. they are waiting to see how -- which way the judge ultimately falls on this. >> joyce, this is a two part. does his argument qualify for moving to a federal court? at what point do you expect to get a decision on this from the judge? >> judge jones' decision will turn on whether mark meadows was working for candidate trump or president trump when he acted in georgia. if he can't establish that he was working for the then president, his odds of removing this case become slim to none.

the judge is aware that this is an unprecedented issue. it will be a precedent setting decision at least for this case. i think he will take his time to get it right, knowing that regardless of who wins and who loses here, it is likely to land in the 11th circuit. there's a lot of law coming out of this circuit, including a supreme court case involving two birmingham judges who tried to remove a civil case from state court to federal court. the analysis is indistinguishable between federal criminal cases and federal civil cases in this regard. so the judge has his work cut out for him to get it right. all that to say, i don't expect to see an opinion today. >> how massive of an undertaking, joyce, does fani willis have here when you have 18 co-defendants, all tried to sever their cases from one another, a former president of the united states trying to push the can down the road when it

comes to his trial date, a former chief of staff trying to get his moved to a federal court? talk about the undertaking d.a. willis has and how realistic that trump could see a trial date before the '24 election. >> it's a big case with a lot of moving parts. but you know, that's the job. that's what fani willis does for a living day in and day out. it's worth noting that this morning, georgia's attorney general indicted a rico case with 61 defendants. what she's doing is large in scope. it involves a former president. it's important because it involves election interference in 2020. it's not really outside of her wheelhouse. that's difficult to explain that this is what the voters in fulton county, georgia, elected her to do in cases that involve violent crime and politics and public corruption and all sorts

of fraud. it's what she does. >> garrett, wasn't to pivot for a moment. i know we are getting news on minority leader mitch mcconnell, hearing from his doctor after he froze publically two different times. what are we hearing on this? >> reporter: his office has released a statement from the capitol physician, the senate physician here saying that this physician has consulted with several neurologists who have seen mcconnell. mcconnell's office tells me that's four. and some other tests that have been done, including an mri. the physician has found in indication of any stroke or seizure related symptoms, nothing related to parkinson's disease. ticking off some of the more serious possibilities that could have afflicted him. he is fit to return to duty. we will see mcconnell return to duty this afternoon when he is expected to speak on the senate floor. it will be the first time he has spoken publically since that episode late last week.

a lot of folks, myself among them, will watch that closely for signs of his health and his recovery. this all stems from the fall and concussion he suffered in march of this year. >> any expectation, garrett, that he or his office plans to further address this, or just move on when we hear from him? >> mcconnell is most comfortable saying nothing about anything, particularly about limbself when -- himself when he doesn't want to. we won't hear much about this until his weekly conference. we will probably hear more comments tomorrow. i don't think it will be part of his speech today. >> thank you. meeting of the minds. russian president vladimir putin reportedly preparing to court kim jong-un in an effort to get a supply of weapons for the war in ukraine. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds right here on msnbc. seconds right here on msnbc. a month, each lasting 4 hours

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welcome back. north korea's leader kim jong-un may travel to russia this month for talks with president vladimir putin. the white house is telling us this could occur on monday. mr. putin wants mr. kim to agree to send russia artillery shells and anti-tank missiles. mr. kim would like rush so to provide north korea with technology for satellites and nuclear powered submarines, according to american and allied officials. the last time that kim met putin was in april of 2019. at the time, kim traveling by armored train to the pacific coast of russia where they could meet possibly again. joining me to talk about this is kier simmons. talk about the implications of a meeting, a trip like this.

>> the implications are multiple. first of all, as you laid out there, it's simply a question of the two countries trying to do a deal. you are right to point out that the last time the two leaders met, president putin and kim jong-un, was in 2019. i was there to witness that. with many other reporters. he traveled by armored train, as you say. i think this is an extension of that relationship. a reheating of the relationship in the sense that since then we have had the covid pandemic. that had an enormous impact on north korea. i think what they're doing is trying to negotiate, i suspect -- pyongyang thinks it has leverage given that russia needs munitions, especially the kind that north korea has for its war with ukraine. i think there's also another interesting thing to take away from this, which adds to this really body of evidence that this is becoming an attritional

war. potentially, it's going to last a long time, maybe a very long time. russia as well as ukraine are looking for munitions and armaments to enable them to sustain their campaigns in that conflict. >> there's twofold things going on. there's what the united states is saying and doing about it, and there's the timing of this meeting which seems some what suspect as well. i want to talk about what the united states is saying about this and why, in fact, they are publicizing it. john kirby last week saying publically -- warning publically arms negotiations between russia and north korea are advancing. we know russia obtained weapons previously from iran. why would the americans, why would john kirby be going public with this, warning us about it? >> i think the target is actually beijing. kirby is, i think, correctly -- the administration is showing

the chinese that we are tracking this. we have a bead on this. we are very aware of it. we are concerned about it. that's one target. the second is pyongyang, is to say to the dictator there that, again, we are aware of this. i think that the value in doing that is to ensure that our allies and partners and friends see that russia has options. meaning that, we need to stand strong and continue sending the munitions from our side of this divide. final thought, you mentioned the word attrition. i think keir did. it's not only the equipment that putin is burning through, it's people. the other metric to watch here is, how is he going to make up for the troops on the battlefield? don't look for north koreans to show up. he will have to go elsewhere.

>> talk to me about the timing here. we saw the russian president in this vulnerable state after the advance by prigozhin who we know has confirmed to be dead. you talk about the ukraine offensive, which has not been going as well as ukrainian would have liked. they have recently, i believe, just yesterday replaced their defense minister. talk about the timing of this meeting considering what is happening geopolitically. >> let's think about this as though it were "the godfather." this is one family reaching out to another for assistance and weapons systems. it's a moment of putin demonstrating that he has the ability to move around. it comes off -- timing could haves off after the brics meeting, brazil, russia, india, south africa, china, that was

held down in south africa. this is putin kind of flexing his international muscle showing that he has options. as you mentioned, he is getting more advanced systems from the iranians. he is trying to convince china, that's the main ball for putin. he is trying to convince china to come in on his side. i think xi is too smart for that. >> i think one should be worried about the other one stabbing them in the back the second they turn around. are we still seeing vladimir putin in a vulnerable state? is this an indication of that at all? >> you don't know because you are into pure putinology. things can come out of nowhere in that world. i do think what happened with prigozhin is the reasserting of the russian bureaucracy, if you

like. this enormous network of relationships that president putin and the people around him have. prigozhin was always in a difficult position when he was talking on, not putin, but the people around him. he was taking on the system. you have seen the system reassert itself. in some ways, you could argue president putin is stronger now as a result of that. that being said, of course, i could be wrong. i think to go to, i think the other aspect of this is what it we're seeing is the russians and the chinese and now looking at the north koreans, trying to create this alternative international sphere. it's notable both president xi and president putin are not going to g20, but putin will go to china and meet with xi at a conference there later in the year. you can see the way they are

knitted together by this determination to try to weaken u.s. influence around the world. >> hence the warning from kirby. thank you. pride and punishment, the former leader of the proud boys convicted after the january 6 attack on the capitol. hours away from learning his prison sentence. the latest from the d.c. courthouse next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. ght here on msnbc. (josh allen) is this your plan to watch the game today? (hero fan) uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket. (josh allen) it's not your best plan. but you know what is? myplan from verizon. switch now and they'll give you nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv, on them. (hero fan) this plan is amazing! (josh allen) another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly. (fan #1) that was josh allen. (fan #2) mmhm. (vo) football season is here. get nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv on us. a $449 value. plus, get a free samsung galaxy z flip5. only on verizon. from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank.

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welcome back. this afternoon, in a washington, d.c. federal court, another ringleader of the january 6 insurrection will receive a lengthy prison sentence. the founder of the extremist oath keepers received an 18-year sentence on a similar charge and conviction. ken dilanian is joining me now with more on this. ken, give us some back story on this trial. is it likely that the government is actually going to get as many years for tarrio as they want? >> reporter: no. it's very clear from what the judge did last week with tarrio's four co-defendants that he doesn't see this case the same way the prosecution does. they are asking for around three decades. they got between 15 and 18 years. still lengthy prison sentences.

it will be interesting to see whether this judge hands tarrio the longest sentence of any january 6 defendant. if he gave him 19, that would be the longest. rhodes got 18 years. here is the thing. prosecutors say there's no group that was more responsible for the violent on january 6 than the proud boys. tarrio was the leader. he wasn't there. he had been banned from the city because he had been arrested. evidence at the trial showed he was talking to them in a group chat. afterwards, he said, make no mistake, we did this. prosecutors say he showed no remorse. the proud boys in general viewed themselves as donald trump's army. they came to washington to do violence, to keep trump in power. they were headed to the capitol even before trump gave his famous speech. they were responsible for every significant breach of the window, broken window, every breached gate and door. that's why prosecutors see them as different and are asking for in this case 33 years for their

leader. the judge doesn't appear to see it that way. he is concerned about sentencing disparities. it's interesting to note that tarrio met with rhodes in a parking garage the night before the attack that happens to be the garage where many of us at nbc news park our cars and other news organizations are there. we are not sure of the significance of the meeting. both of those groups were crucial to what happened on january 6. >> ken dilanian for us. we will watch for that later this afternoon. appreciate it, my friend. a messy situation. tens of thousands wading through the muck as they make their way out of the burning manifest val. the latest coming up next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. [sneeze] (♪♪) astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief

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welcome back. the mass exodus from burning man is underway in nevada with two to three-hour waits reported after 70,000 people got trapped following a massive rainstorm that turned it into a muddy mess. we have the latest from black rock city. >> reporter: we are here at what they call the gate. this is the main entrance. this road behind me here was covered in mud even less than 24 hours ago. it is dry now.

thousands of people are making their way out, leaving a burning man they certainly won't forget. mud, muck and now gridlock. that was the scene monday as thousands of burners made their way out of the nevada desert any way they could. what's your plan to get out? >> hitchhike. i don't know. >> reporter: the exodus slow and grinding. a caravan and rvs crawling their way to civilization. >> we are making it out. >> reporter: the trek out taking some more than six hours. the backup stretching for miles. this was not how burning man was supposed to go. friday, six days into the week-long festival celebrating art, music and community, a deluge turned it into a giant muddy mess. for some, the rain did nothing to dampen their spirit. >> this has given us the opportunity to rise to self-reliance and support each other in the commune tichlt.

>> reporter: for others, it was more than they bargained for. authorities were forced to close roads, stranding thousands. over the weekend, the ceo preaching patience. >> there's no great panic. >> reporter: some opting to hike out, including celebrities. >> we ventured out with josh kushner and cindy crawford and chris rock. we decided we would go together. >> reporter: dj diplo says the six miles schlep was part of the experience. >> it was a battle and experience. >> reporter: monday, the festival continued. concluding with the symbolic burning of the man. many people tried to get out

after the rain. some hiking out. for those who did have to stay or maybe wanted to stay to the end, they are stuck in this endless long line of cars. it has been gridlock since yesterday. one person told me it took them more than nine hours to go from the heart of burning man to here at the closest paved road, that's six miles, nine hours. a long road for these folks. >> thank you for that. from extreme rainfall there in the nevada desert to extreme heat across the country. we want to bring in meteorologist bill karins to talk about this. my kid is going back to school thursday. it's going to be 95 degrees here in new york city. that's happening everywhere. >> the big issue is that in the south, you have to have air conditioning in all the classrooms. that's why they can go back to school in the middle of august. in the north, a lot of schools don't have good ac. temperatures this hot, that's why schools are cancelling or delaying or closing early

because of the heat. 62 million people impacted in total. texas, you have been through it. everyone in the south all summer long was, get me to september. now you are like, great, it's still hot. it will break eventually. the northeast is the area that hasn't been that hot of a summer. this is one of the hottest weeks of the summer in the first week of september. who is the hottest? brownsville, texas, you get that honor at 96 for your lunch hour. washington, d.c. is at 92 already. you will head up there close to 100 in baltimore and washington, d.c. it's not quite the high humidity of the middle of the summer. that's one saving grace. the air feeling drier. we will come close to records today. d.c., we should break a record. new york just shy of it. we are in the great lakes and other areas, too. tomorrow, it's not going to break. the same thing. baltimore could be 100, breaking a record of 98. rare to hit 100 in the northeast in september. into the weekend, it slowly gets

better. more humid, but the temperatures drop out of the 90s into the 80s in most cases. >> with that also, you are looking at a new tropical depression forming in the atlantic. talk to us about that. >> today is the peak of the hurricane season. it's rare not to have a couple threats out there. this isn't anything that's going to surprise anyone. let me advance the maps and talk about the next storm. tropical depression 13 just named that by the hurricane center. here is where it's located, out in the atlantic, far away from any land. it's five, six days away from land areas. this has a lot of potential. this is probably going to be a big storm, major hurricane, maybe category 4. the hurricane center does that. the first concern are the leeward islands and the virgin islands. that's just on the southern edge of the cone. notice most of the cone is to the north. 140 mile per hour hurricane, that gets your attention. you want nothing to do with that. the same in the dominican republic and puerto rico.

this is five days from now. after we get past this, our computer models, these lines, they deviate a little bit. there's a couple to the south i don't like. i can't ignore them but i would like to. these others turn it out to sea with more of a threat towards bermuda. a lot of the long range computer models do take these red lines and they bend it back up here, maybe just inside of bermuda but off the east coast. the bottom line, this is -- even if it did head to the east coast, it's ten days from now. it will be likely be one of the strongest storms on the planet in a couple days. >> i know you will watch that for us. age-old issues. while the white house and biden campaign try to confront concerns about the president's age, the economy and a looming government shutdown dog this week's return to congress. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. hell reports" right here msnbc. but, you also can't leave covered in hair.

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susan page, tim miller and sam stein. susan, let me start with you on this one. talking about how september will look. this looming possible impeachment inquiry into president joe biden, along with getting there budget through. the house only in session for 11 days. >> it's going to be a mess. it's not clear we will avoid a shutdown. it's easier to see how it shuts down than to see how it stays open. it's hard to see how kevin mccarthy manages to get funding through the house and keep his job. that's what we are watching this month. >> sam, i want to talk about some of the polling we have been seeing, specifically out of "the wall street journal," when we look at possibly a matchup of what's looking more and more like former president donald

trump and president biden. neck and neck out of this poll. i believe former president trump is polling 46 points ahead of ron desantis. one of the two biggest concerns out of this poll when it comes to president bide reason the economy and his age. the president really over the last couple of days, since friday when the jobs numbers came out, really going after, as he says, his predecessor, the guy before me, now more than ever and addressing the concerns over his age. let's listen to what he had to say. >> it was not long ago we were losing jobs in this country. in fact, the guy that held this job before me was just one of two presidents in history, left office with fewer jobs in america than when he got elected. the last guy, he looked at the world from park avenue. i look at it from scranton, pennsylvania. the great real estate builder, the last guy, he didn't build a

damn thing. >> what do you make of the pivot? will it work? will it resonate, same? >> the pivot is notable. for a while, they have not been going after trump, at least frontally like this. clearly, they see the polls that everyone else does. very likely trump will be the republican nominee. why beat around the bush? he makes an effective villain. the second part is trickier. is it effective? if you talk to people in the white house, they would have said, the economy is moving in the right direction, inflation is easing, jobs numbers are great, historic low for black unemployment, gdp growth great. people will feel it. people will see that reflected in the surveys. that has not happened. it hasn't happened. maybe it will down the road as grocery prices ease, fuel goes down a little bit, if that does happen. if you are in the white house, that's a panic situation. you have these good macro

economic measures. it's not translating into voter sentiment. on the age thing, that's harder. the economy, you can say, the statistics show it's better. we can sell it. biden will only get older. he didn't discover a fountain of youth. he will not get younger. look at me, i'm benjamin button. that's tricky. they will have to put him in situations like they did over the weekend where he is out trumping, that's partially why you saw what he did over the weekend. >> if he were to discover that, we would love to know that. that would be fantastic. talk about the gamble. talk about the charges facing the former president. we get why the president hasn't weighed in on that, not wanting to further politicize a

situation like that. we know donald trump is saying it's joe biden's department of justice who is coming after me, who is trying to insert themselves into this election. all that being said, just hearing now, john eastman filing a motion to sever his case in georgia. this is going to be in the news cycle repeatedly over the next 18 months, all the way through november. there will come a point in which president biden needs to talk about, on the campaign trail, who he is facing, a man who has been indicted four times with 90 plus criminal charges under his belt. >> i think he will. we are four, five months away from the first republican caucus or primary vote. i think biden has been stuck between a rock and a hard place on the matter of how to deal with trump's indictments. he has done everything by the book. he's gone above and beyond to

not put his thumb on the scale, to not engage. he gave everything to garland who gave everything to a special counsel. we thought biden could have dealt with this more quickly in the aftermath of january 6. he has de-politicized everything. still, he has republicans who know better and then republicans who don't know better, maga republicans, accusing him of being the man behind the curtain orchestrating these indictments, which is preposterous. biden is struggling to deal with how much to be up front about this. if he is not getting any credit for doing things by the book, then eventually, you will reach a point where he will have to make the argument more explicitly. i expect he will do this. >> there's a question, tim, over opponents talking about the 14th amendment when it comes to donald trump. if we look at that polling from "the wall street journal," it's

looking like it's more and more like president biden versus former president donald trump come 2024, after this primary season is over. "the wall street journal" editorial board making the argument that would not be a smart move to invoke the 14th amendment. i want to read for you why. they say if mr. trump does somehow regain the presidency, in part because democrats insist on renominating a weak president biden, the normal checks and balances will exist. the consequences are likely to be worse for democracy and its institutions than trusting voters and 234 years of sturdy constitutional emmre. what do you make of this? >> don't make me agree with the "wall street journal" editorial board. i hate to be in that position. i respect others who made this argument. it maybe it would have been stronger on january 7, 2021, than now. it would feel less political.

as a practical matter, regardless of what you think about the legal merits of this argument, i think there are a lot of things that would very much work in the disfavor of our democracy. i think the response on the right would be huge. i don't think it's going to work. i dislike this argument that comes from many on the right, which is like, don't force us to be with president trump by nominating weak joe biden and doing things to hold trump accountable. i hate those arguments you see from "the wall street journal" and other places. i think the 14th amendment thing is witch casting. >> tim, susan, sam, thank you. the white house saying jill biden is, quote, experiencing only mild symptoms after being diagnosed with covid last night. president biden has tested negative and will test regularly. the first lady, who is 72, and scheduled to start teaching

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murdaugh case. six months after he was found guilty of murdering his wife and son, his lawyers, they're asking for a new trial on what they're calling newly discovered evidence that the court clerk tampered with the jury by advising them not to believe murdaugh's testimony. alex murdaugh was sentenced to two consecutive life terms in prison and his attorney is claiming this new evidence could win him a new trial. nbc's lindsey reiser is joining me from columbia, south carolina, where his lawyers are holding a press conference just about 90 minutes or so. also back with us, former district attorney joyce vance. lindsey, start things off. this is absolutely wild what we have been hearing so far trickling out what we expect to hear from these attorneys. talk us through it. >> reporter: we have been reading through the new allegations in this filing and the allegations of witness tampering center around the county clerk rebecca hill, the

overseer of the jurors, she would escort them to and from the courtroom. according to the attorneys, she tampered with the jury by saying don't be fooled with murdaugh's testimony in his own defense, instructing them to watch him closely, look at his actions, his movements and one juror understood that to mean he was guilty. also, she is accused of pressuring the jury to come to a quick verdict, saying that the onset of deliberations that it shouldn't take them long. she is accused of having frequent private conversations with the jury. this was the culmination of six weeks of testimony, three hours of deliberations, murdaugh is currently facing -- serving two consecutive life sentences for the murders of maggie and paul murdaugh. but this new evidence would have to rise to the level of -- i'm sure you're going to have this

conversation with joyce -- would have had to have been discoverable threw due diligence with the trial, with witness tampering you can't understand that until after you talk to the jurors after the fact, also would have to rise to the level that it could change the verdict essentially. that is what a judge is going to have to decide here. remember, the case is currently under appeal. that is going to have to be on hold, yasmin, while we have this new hearing on motion for a new trial. >> really shocking stuff. i guess the overarching question is will this win alex murdaugh a new trial. is this enough to get him a new trial? before you answer that question, i want to read this motion filed by these attorneys. some of what lindsey just eloquently laid out here. miss hill invented a story about a facebook post to remove a juror she believed may not vote guilty, pressuring the jurors to reach a guilty verdict, telling them from the outset of their deliberations that it shouldn't take them long, miss hill did these things and these are

allegations, of course, to secure for herself a book deal and media appearance that would not happen in the event of a mistrial. and then it goes on to say miss hill betrayed her oath of office for money and for fame. also alleging miss hill had frequent private conversations with the jury foreperson. talk us through some of what you have been reading here, joyce, the allegations that are being made and could this get a new trial for alex murdaugh? >> so, motions for a new trial are not unusual. but the allegations here are extremely unusual because the judge's clerk, the court clerk is entrusted with an important role with the jury throughout a trial, especially a lengthy one like this, and part of the clerk's role is to make sure that nothing improper happens. so the allegations that the clerk herself is responsible for improper conduct with jurors is something very unusual and very

shocking. but what we have seen so far is only the defense's version of the facts, only their interpretation of what went on. i think we should withhold judgment until we see a response from the motion for a new trial by the prosecution. if there are problems here with the clerk, if these allegations are true, i would expect to see prosecutors own it. they certainly wouldn't be happy about it. but that's the sort of thing that prosecutors are supposed to do and do in cases where misconduct occurs. it may be, though, that they have an entirely different version of the facts. it is worth noting that the clerk herself immediately denied the allegations when she was asked about them. >> more to come, that is for sure. joyce vance, thank you. lindsey reiser, i know you're going to be on this for us today, thank you as well. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show on social media at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now.

good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now, reality is setting in for two men, peter navarro and enrique tarrio, about the price to be paid for following donald trump. one man in court now, the other expected within the hour. and when not just talking about a legal price. just today, navarro insisting his trial may end up costing a million dollars or more. plus, republican senator tommy tuberville known as the riverboat gambler in his college football coaching days, now accused of gambling with american's lives. the stark warning from three military leaders saying his hold on promotions is putting the country's security at risk. and just to drive that point home, new reports indicate two of america's most dangerous enemies, kim jong-un and vladimir putin, are activ