good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now, reality is setting in for two men, peter navarro and enrique tarrio, about the price to be paid for following donald trump. one man in court now, the other expected within the hour. and when not just talking about a legal price. just today, navarro insisting his trial may end up costing a million dollars or more. plus, republican senator tommy tuberville known as the riverboat gambler in his college football coaching days, now accused of gambling with american's lives. the stark warning from three military leaders saying his hold on promotions is putting the country's security at risk. and just to drive that point home, new reports indicate two of america's most dangerous enemies, kim jong-un and vladimir putin, are actively

advancing their efforts and military cooperation. coming up, the warning details about what kind of weaponry and intelligence they're talking about and what it could mean for the rest of the world. but we start in washington, d.c., where as we speak, two of donald trump's allies in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election are facing justice. not just on the same day, but in the very same courthouse. in just one hour, enrique tarrio will be sentenced, the former proud boys leader convicted of seditious conspiracy. prosecutors want the judge to give him 33 years behind bars, which would be the longest sentence yet for anyone linked to january 6th. at the same time, jury selection is under way in the trial of former trump adviser peter nava navarro, charged with refusing a congressional subpoena from the january 6th committee. but speaking outside the federal courthouse a few hours ago, navarro insists there is an overriding question that still needs to be answered.

>> i believe and as i've said from the beginning that this case is headed towards the supreme court. this case is not really about me. it is about the constitutional separation of powers. and executive privilege. >> i want to bring in nbc's ken dilanian outside the courthouse in washington. barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor and peter baker is "new york times" chief white house correspondent and an msnbc political analyst. so, what is the latest on navarro right now? >> reporter: well, chris, jury selection began today. the court is on a lunch break right now, having picked nine jurors. they may ask for 24 in the end. and peter navarro is on trial facing a year in jail on each of these counts of contempt of congress and $100,000 fine for each. and he said he's facing $750,000

in legal expenses. as you said what this is about is his refusal to comply with the subpoena from the january 6th committee for his testimony and for documents. you heard him mention executive privilege there. just last week the judge in the case ruled that there was no evidence that donald trump ever invoked executive privilege to prevent peter navarro, his economic adviser, from testifying and that the law required that there be that evidence and that mr. trump invoked the privilege and that there be some record of it. there wasn't any. that's why that's not really an issue at this trial. and mr. navarro has a tough road ahead of him. >> they want us to be believe this trial will be this epic constitutional battle. is it that? >> no, chris. i think this will be a brief trial. the questions will consist of was a subpoena served on peter navarro, what was the date and time, did he show up. and the answer being no. i think it will be as simple as that. he can raise this issue on

appeal that he was able to take advantage of executive privilege, but, remember, the privilege belongs to the president to assert. and if the president fails to assert it, then he has no privilege. in addition, he was not an executive branch employee. so i think his appeal is also likely to fail. >> what do you make of the fact that the judge would not allow navarro to use the executive privilege argument as a defense here. his reasoning, trump never wrote anything down, the judge calling the testimony, quote, pretty weak sauce. i wonder what you make of that. and is it possible then that there is a ripple effect for other cases? >> yes. so, a judge has to make a decision about whether evidence is going to be helpful to a jury or potentially confusing to a jury. and so if peter navarro is able to make this argument but doesn't have evidence to support it, that could confuse the jury. so that's why the judge has ruled that he may not bring in any argument. there is no evidence of it.

it is the president's privilege and the president must assert it. and if there is no evidence -- donald trump could call up today and say i asserted it. he hasn't done that. it is crickets from donald trump. will this have a ripple effect. i think by now, you would think that donald trump's associates, aides, lawyers and others, would recognize that loyalty for donald trump is a one way street. when he needs something from you, he comes calling. when you need something from him, silence. >> yeah. peter, worth reminding people what peter navarro's role was on january 6th. he had this plan called the green bay sweep. using the football coaching aanalogy. can you explain, give us more context of his role here? >> peter navaro is a fascinating character in this white house. he was a trade official, a trade representative, not, you know, involved in politics and theory, but took it upon himself once the election happened in 2020 to

prove what donald trump was saying publicly, which is that the election was somehow rigged and he came up with this plan, sort of on his own, as far as we know, in collaboration with folks like steve bannon to the green bay sweep as you put it to basically, you know, intervene in the electoral count, the electoral college count. he was not one of the people who organized the crowd or the protesters that day or anything to do with the violence, per se, but he did have a role in setting the stage for that by telling the public that there had been something wrong with the election, even though there was no proof of that. i think what the january 6th committee wanted to hear from him is as they heard from other aides to the president what did the president know, when did the president know it, but as you say, as barbara talked about, the president has not done anything to defend peter navarro or say communications were in any way privileged. >> so let's talk about what he said this morning. we played a little bit of it. i want to play more and it is about the price tag for all of this. here it is.

>> this will be the most expensive week thus far of this journey. the legal fees, because we'll have attorneys in court, in the courtroom, for what is likely to be the full week. we'll run out the meter once again. this will be at the end of the journey, case costing over a million dollars or more. >> and, peter, he's not the only one. we all heard from rudy giuliani. there are others particularly in the georgia case who said they're flat broke, they don't have the money to pay for lawyers and that's really just beginning there. is there any sign anything you heard within trump world suggesting he's planning to help them out? >> well, there hasn't been much evidence of that so far. look, you mo, broadly speaking the justice system has an issue where the representatives cost so much. that goes beyond this particular case, it is not unique.

but it is unique to see, of course, aides and advisers to president trump who are, you know, on the hook for multihundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills without the president's help. the president has been raising funds off the legal cases, selling t-shirts with his mug shot on them, but for the most part has not been helping out the people around him who are in jeopardy and as you mentioned, rudy giuliani is a case study of that. he's been almost begging the former president to help them out. he's having his own financial issues. it is a real telling sign that people continue to be loyal to him, despite the fact he doesn't seem to show the reverse. >> sentencing set in the courthouse behind you at 2:00 this afternoon. what are we looking for, what do we expect? >> prosecutors asking for 33 years, they're not going to get it if last week is any guidance

because they asked for prison sentences in that range for tarrio's four co-defendants and got between 15 and 18 years. if he gets 19 years, he'll be the -- he'll have received the longest prison sentence of any january 6th defendant. and prosecutors say there is no person more singularly responsible for the violence on january 6th than enrique tarrio, along with his proud boys co-defendants because they say they came to the capitol intent on doing violence, to keep donald trump in power, they were responsible for the physical breaches leading theed you into the capitol. tarrio wasn't there. but they say and introduced evidence at trial saying he was encouraging his followers from afar and he celebrated that he and his group had achieved something on january 6th and now he's facing justice. >> what do you think is going to weigh most heavily on the judge's thinking as he decides on a sentence? >> the sentencing statute tells the judge to look at a number of factors. one is the need to avoid

unwarranted disparities among defendants. so looking at what we have seen so far, that 16 to 18 range, i imagine he will argue i wasn't even there, so i should get something less. but i think the government is responsible to look at the provisioning and the sentencing guidelines that say a person who is a leader or organizer of others should get a higher sentence from the others. >> ken, barbara, peter, we should be hearing about that in the next hour, a little more than that. thank you for being with us. much appreciated. coming up in our second hour, i'll talk with the former spokesman for the oath keepers who testified during the january 6th committee hearing and i'll ask him what message a lengthy sentence would send to members of these far right extremist groups. so stay tuned for that in our next hour. up next, pressure mounting on senator tuberville for leaving military families in limbo. the scathing message from top brass as the alabama

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see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com as the senate returns to washington today, pressure is mounting on tommy tuberville to stop his month long blocking of hundreds of military promotions over a defense department policy involving abortion. in a new op-ed, the civilian leaders of the navy, air force, space force and army blast tuberville's dangerous hold on senior offices which they say is putting our national security at risk and throwing the lives of military families into complete limbo. quote, military spouses who have worked to build careers of their own are unable to look for jobs because they don't know when or if they will move. children haven't known where they will go to school, which is particularly hard given how frequently military children change schools already. nbc sahel kapur is on capitol

hill, brandon buck is a former aide to paul ryan and john boehner and msnbc political analyst. welcome, guys. sahel, do we have any sense that tommy tuberville is beginning to feel any of this pressure? what is the latest from the hill? >> reporter: the short answer is, no, we have not seen any indication whatsoever that senator tuberville is softening his hard line when it comes to military promotions. if anything, he appears to be doubling down. his office spent the august recess distributing clips and evidence of allies of his who are defending his position and there are several of them. it is unclear whether this pressure from the leaders of the navy and air force and army will impact him. they say this abortion travel policy is important because service members need to be treated equally. they call it unfair military leaders and their families saying it is taking a personal toll and despite what others say, it is jeopardizing national security and damaging the military. now, there are a couple of ways you can imagine tommy tuberville

backs off, if he feels pressure from his constituents, not clear that happened to a significant degree yet, feels pressure from senate republican leaders, they're taking a hands off approach, some have pointed out that senate democrats can hold individual votes on these military nominees. they're very much against doing that. they say it would create more problems than it solves. it takes hours to process them. unclear how senator tuberville will respond to the latest pressure. we have reached out to his office. >> do you think that an op-ed like this can generate some pressure to move the needle, to push him a little bit or do you think he's dug in? >> he seems dug in. senators do these types of things all the time. they put holds on things. it is usually short in duration, to make a point or get some kind of accommodation, but he's been doing this for a long time. i think it underscores the gulf between what is good base politics and what is good national politics for

republicans. he's not going to pay any price back home for this. in alabama, being on the side of antiabortion is good politics. and the rest of his colleagues don't really have any space to take him on because of those same political dynamics. you can't be pro-abortion and be a republican senator these days. what is unclear is what his game plan is, what is endgame is. he doesn't have seem to have much of an off ramp. we're all left wondering what is he going to do and it raises the issue of abortion that has been so bad for republicans for so long and here we are again, another week and no resolution. >> i get that in his home state maybe his position on abortion plays well. but does it play well to say military families who already bear a huge responsibility for something they didn't necessarily sign up for, certainly the kids didn't,

right, tough enough life they already have, moving all the time, now their lives are in total limbo, does that look good for a republican to play this game with the lives of military families? and by extension, members of the military themselves, it is not easy on them when their kids and wives and husbands are going through this. >> certainly not. it is a real frustration for folks i talked to in the senate because it does take an issue where traditionally been very strong. they have promoted themselves as being the strongest party on the issue and now you're putting it in direct conflict with another part of the base, another issue where you have very little room to negotiate. this is bad politics all across the board nationally. i think what you're hitting on, though, is there enough pressure back in alabama, a state with a lot of military installations, big veteran population, at some point does that become a tipping point? you would have thought that would have taken place a while

ago, he was this dug in, it demonstrates he's not just in this for a press release over a week. i don't know what he's in for. but seems like the normal pressures that get people to back off of these things aren't working here and nobody is really in a position to push him on it. >> it is shocking to me we're at a point where they're coming back already. where did the summer go? we're looking at what is likely to be a messy and chaotic september, particularly on the fight over funding the government. what are we looking for in the days and weeks ahead? >> that's right. congress is back today after a month off. the senate is back today. the house is not back until next week. and they have a lot to do over the coming weeks. let's tick through some of the items that are on the to do list. they have to fund the government, september 30th deadline for that, pass a new form bill and reauthorize the faa. these two items are on a five-year clock and come due also at the end of september. in addition there are battles

happening over ukraine funding, what the future of that is, disaster relief, saw the wildfires in maui, the hurricane that hit florida and the south and looming over all of this is the fact that house republicans appear to be moving in the direction of opening an impeachment inquiry into president biden, which is going to suck the oxygen out of much of the policy debates. the through line in all of this is that the most contentious items are being driven by a house faction called the freedom caucus, the most hard-line members who are pressuring to cut spending to levels that are not going to pass the democratic-controlled senate. they're driving this impeachment inquiry. they want a host of concessions because they're angry about the debt ceiling law and the budget deal that came with it. how mccarthy deals with that is the single biggest question over the next few weeks. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. a mass exodus in full swing now in the nevada desert and

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today, the biden administration is sending a very pointed message to russia and north korea. following reports that kim jong-un could make a trip to moscow for talks with vladimir putin about sending weapons to support russia's war in ukraine. in a new statement, the national security council warned north korea to cease its arms negotiations and to abide by the public commitments that pyongyang made to not provide or sell arms to russia. i want to bring in nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons.

keir, this meeting would obviously be closely watched by leaders from around the world. but especially here in the u.s. what impacts could it have? >> well, it will be closely watched, chris, if it happens, because i think one way of reading the clear decision by the biden administration to be clear that they know about plans for the meeting suggests that they are actually trying to see if they can derail it. if they can put the two leaders off. president putin and kim jong-un. and, remember, kim jong-un is very anxious about his security. i mentioned derail. last time i was there, back in 2019, and far eastern kim jong- went to meet with president putin and he doesn't like to fly. is this meeting really on? it is a big deal because it is clearly another sign that russia

is trying to get more munitions to support its war in ukraine and now, of course many of the munitions are russian. it would be a very easy fit for them. and i think it also suggests the kremlin as we have seen in multiple ways already is preparing itself for a war of attrition. may already think it is in a war of attrition. it will last a long time. it is a measure of how big a deal this is, how uncomfortable the kremlin sounded today and the spokesman dmity peskov refusing to confirm he would meet with the north korean leader, saying we have nothing to say on this topic, chris. >> well, let's talk about where this war stands because ukraine just had their big military shake-up. i think the biggest in leadership since this war started. so where does that stand, where does the counteroffensive stand, keir? >> it is something like a stand still. the ukrainians wouldn't agree

with that, and they are eager to point out that they say they have made significant progress if on a map it looks like small progress and that's backed up by statements by the biden administration. but plainly if you look at a map, if you think ukrainians were trying to get themselves to cut off russia's supply lines toward crimea, they haven't managed to achieve that. this is war. and the fog of war, you know, is famous. so, it is not possible to know what will happen in the coming months, but the fighting season is coming to -- drawing to an end for this year, if you like, gets more difficult as we head into the later months, and at the moment, again, just again on the ukrainian side, again, it is looking more like a war of attrition. i spoke to one russia watcher, expert, knows many there well, and not necessarily a supporter of the kremlin who talked about years for this war looking ahead

and, of course, what that sets up is the potential that whoever is -- whoever serves the next term as u.s. president will have this conflict as part of their challenges. >> sober, thought. keir simmons, thank you for that. we have breaking news now tied to united airlines. apparently they're requesting a nationwide ground stop. i want to bring in nbc's tom costello. do we know what's behind this and are we talking about a ground stop for united or potentially -- >> that's right. >> okay, go ahead. >> just united airlines. they requested from the faa a nationwide ground stop. this is a very, very rare move and they are citing some sort of a computer issue. as i check right now on the flight aware misery map and the airports dealing with cancellations and delays, a lot of them are already united hubs, denver, for example, is on the list. i've also got newark airport, san francisco already is on the list, chicago is on the list.

we do not have an eta on what they might be able to get this computer issue resolved. but to actually ask the faa to declare a ground stop is a very, very unusual move and really underscores the severity. you may recall at the end of june united was facing severe weather at newark airport. and took the very unusual step then of requesting that they ground stop at newark. that really caught the whole -- all of us by surprise. it spoke to the challenges they had at one airport, so now they requested an faa ground stop at all for all of united flights nationwide. they operate 4900 flights every single day, to about 300 destinations. 200 of those destinations are in the united states. 162 million passengers a year are carried on united, more or less. so this is, as you know, one of the biggest airlines in the world, and they are dealing with something pretty serious right now. we're trying to get answers and

find out more about when they might be able to get the system back up and running. >> i'm always throwing you questions out of left field and somehow you manage to answer them. bear with me on this one. the last time i got stuck in a travel nightmare was around christmas time and one thing when i finally got someone, what they told me was everybody is having trouble hiring, we don't have enough phone agents to deal with the kinds of calls that are coming in. i know they said they dealt with some of the pilots, the other staffing shortages, but if people get stuck for a while, where are the airlines in terms of being able to help? >> you're right on the money. this has been an ongoing challenge. they have staffed up in the cockpit and the gate agents, ticket agents, flight attendants, but they have struggled as all employers have to keep enough employees and that includes the people who are on the phone. if this is you, if you're stuck right now at an airport somewhere, the advice is get on the app, if you have to, and

see, first of all, get an update on when your flight may or may not be leaving. they may not have an update for you yet on the app because this is happening real time. and they may not have that information. if you end up missing a flight, the best advice is to try to rebook yourself on the app. that's a heck of a lot faster than waiting on the phone or going and trying to get somebody at the ticket counter. again, we don't yet know when they might resolve this. here's the -- if there is any silver lining to this, i realize if you're flying today, there is no silver lining, this is pretty much the low season. the kids are back in school now, we're not dealing with the holiday. the weather is pretty good right now. so, generally they always say if you don't have kids in school, this is the time to fly. there aren't that many of you out there. and this business travel has not really recovered. this is not july 4th weekend. >> or christmas when i got

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supposed to be starting her fall semester of teaching at a virginia community college today. but a covid diagnosis just put those plans on hold. the white house says she is only experiencing mild symptoms, and is recovering at the family's delaware home. in a statement, the white house said president biden will continue to test at regular intervals, but so far remains negative for the virus and is staying in d.c. this was press secretary karine jean-pierre. >> the president tested last night and negative again today. he's not experiencing any symptoms. as far as the steps he's taking since the president was with the first lady yesterday, he'll be masking while indoors and around people, in alignment with cdc guidance. >> the white house says as of now there are no changes being made to the president's schedule. the president is staring down another big obstacle this week, though, polling shows he

is in a dead heat with former president donald trump in a hypothetical 2024 matchup. the poll has some eye opening new numbers on the republican race. nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki is at the big board for us. break down the numbers for us. >> all right, chris. there are two big findings in this new "wall street journal" poll here. look at the republican race. again, i mean, you can see an overwhelming lead for donald trump. i think what is key about this poll is we have been waiting for one of these authoritative polls conducted entirely after the republican debate in late august there. this one was. conducted august 24th to august 30th. this measures the debate, the fallout from the debate, how it was covered in the media, a lot of question would donald trump pay a price for skipping the debate? no evidence of that when looking at these numbers. nikki haley is running at 8%

here, that might be a tick or two above where she was. a lot of talk about vivek ramaswamy, there he is at 5%. the story line we have been telling for months now about trump have an overwhelming lead in this republican primary race, that tory line survived the republican debate that was held without donald trump. the race looks the same. it is a dominating trump lead. i think what really ought to worry trump's opponents i think when you look at the size of trump's lead, look, trump's extremely popular with republican voters, but it is not as if his opponents aren't. look at ron desantis, 70% favorable, tim scott, very popular, nikki haley pretty popular there with republicans, ramaswamy too. the only two republican candidates who are unpopular with republican voters are mike pence and chris christie. so it is not just that trump is leading the field by such a wide margin. he's leading candidates who are well known among republican voters and well liked by

republican voters. in face of that, trump has a 46-point advantage among republicans. is the criminal activity the prosecutin prosecutions of trump a factor in this? "the wall street journal" poll, i thought this was interesting, they asked about the specific charges. the hush money, the classified documents case, the attempts to overturn the election, the georgia case, it has been in the news recently, they asked republican voters do you consider each case politically motivated without merit or do you think it is legitimate? and in no case do more than 30% of republican voters think that the prosecution is legitimate. so overwhelmingly they are on trump's side when it comes to these matters. and, remember, it is when the first case, the stormy daniels case was brought, that's when trump's lead began to zoom up in the republican primary race to the point where it now is. the other major finding of this poll, 46/46, trump tied with

biden. you might be surprised, given, again, with general election voters looking at all of trump's legal problems, trump's loss in 2020, the underperformance of his candidates in 2022, look, the dynamic is a little different if it is a trump/biden biden would be the incumbent president. interestingly, this "wall street journal" poll also took a number of qualities and asked does biden have them, does trump have them. and a couple that jump out, biden has trump beat when it comes to likability. the question of corruption, nearly 60% of voters think trump is corrupt. but nearly 50% of voters apply the same label to joe biden. biden with an advantage there on the question of honesty. i think the other thing that jumps out in this poll is the matter of age. joe biden and donald trump both old, but biden is older than trump and, look, if you ask mentally up for the job of being president, these aren't good

scores for either. 46% say about trump, but only 36% say biden is mentally up to the job. then you ask the question, is too old to run for president, nearly three-quarters of all voters say joe biden is. not quite half say that trump is. that's a 26-point gap right there. and you're talking about an election that is going to be decided if it is trump versus biden again, probably decided on the edges, on the margins, is age, that question of being mentally up for the job, is that the kind of thing that could cost biden a point or two on the edges? that could make a big difference and that could help explain, chris, why you're looking at in this poll at least a dead heat between trump and biden. >> steve kornacki, thank you for that. let me bring in nbc political analyst brendan buck, former aide to house speakers paul ryan and john boehner and partner at seven letters public affairs. back to where we are on the

republican race, you said on social media the latest polling is the kind of lights out moment for trump's challengers. but new hampshire's governor chris sununu disagrees. let me play that from yesterday, or sunday. >> over a third of his supporters have said they would happily go to another candidate, they need more time to look at them. that's where trump's weakness really is. it is not a fait accompli. not you per se, but a lot in the media are, like this is over, it is really not. remember this guy named barack obama who they said had no chance against hillary clinton and the clinton machine and all of that back in '08? in six months things got very, very different. >> does that make you hedge your argument at all? do you have any hesitation that trump could be beatable? >> barack obama was an unknown figure as he was able to introduce himself, he was able to take over. there are a lot of people who just don't like hillary clinton. republican voters know who

donald trump is. he's the most popular figure in the party. and there is really no evidence as this polling shows that any of the things that happened over the last four or five months, which should be fatal to any other politician, has stopped him. he's a different type of politician. even in those bad polling, the stuff that shows 70% of people think the charges against him are politically motivated, that's a higher number than people supporting him. that means people supporting other candidates thinks the stuff he's charged with is political. i look at stuff like that and i don't see where you make the attack. you are ron desantis, nikki haley, i don't see the path for what you can do to chip away at that. other than maybe playing to his age, his inability to get some things done and there are some small things, but we have to squint really hard to find any argument that he is not clearly going to be the nominee. i'm not a donald trump fan. i wish we had somebody else as the nominee at this point, i

just simply don't see it. >> great to have you on the program. thank you. up next, alex murdaugh's legal team claiming to have new proof of jury tampering. will it be enough to get another trial for the convicted murderer? and it is republicans versus republicans in the lone star state. why the party is looking to give texas attorney general ken paxton the boot? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. oot? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc ( clears throat ) for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops. with two times more menthol per drop, and powerful vicks vapors to vaporize sore throat pain. vicks vapocool drops. vaporize sore throat pain. more shopping? you should watch your spending honey. i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. check it out, you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, i'll look into that. let me put a reminder on my phone. save $700 dollars.

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we have some breaking news for you on that united airlines request for a nationwide ground stop. it has apparently been pulled. i want to bring back nbc's tom costello. what's happening, tom? >> a here's what happened. first of all, united released a statement just as you went to break saying they are experiencing a system wide technology issue holding all aircraft at their departure airports globally. then seconds ago, we've learned united has lifted the request for a ground stop. presumably whatever their it issues are, they have them resolved and now they are going to start resuming operations. this really has the ripple or snowball effect of the winter. as you know, united is a big player at newark. at dulles here in washington. houston as well as o'hare.

denver, san francisco, and lax. so at the moment, that ground stop, which we think is request was made about 15 minutes ago, maybe 20, that's been lifted. we'll continue to follow it and see whether this stays resolved in the short-term, chris. >> patience is always the word in situations like this. tom, thank you. again, anything new, just come back on. we've got breaking news out of atlanta as well. because just moments ago, we learned that trump co-defendant, misty hampton, has filed an arraignment waiver and pled not guilty to charges against her in fulton county. she was the former coffee county elections director during the attempt to overturn georgia's election result. so now all 19 defendants have waived their right to show up in person for their scheduled arraignments tomorrow. and nbc news has learned that in less than an hour, attorneys for former south carolina attorney

and convicted murderer, alex murdaugh, will make their case for a new trial. two sources familiar tell nbc news that they've uncovered evidence of jury tampering. what's the latest? >> his defense team is arguing alleged witness tampering at the hands of the clerk, rebecca hail. they are alleging she tampered with the jury. we know she published a book last month and now in this new motion, they are spelling out the evidence they say proves murdaugh should get a new trial. they're alleging hill tampered with the jury by advising them not to be fooled by murdaugh's testimony, instructing the jury to watch him closely. look at his actions and movements. at least one juror took that to

mean he is guilty. also pressuring them to reach a quick verdict. having frequent, private conversations with the jury foreperson lasting five, ten minutes. also criticizing someone for handing murdaugh a box of tissues. interestingly, this motion also includes pages of her own book including when she writes at the trip to mosel, some of us from either the courthouse, law enforcement or jury had an epiphany and shared our thoughts with our eyes. i knew and they know alex was guilty. there's a high bar for a new trial. first of all, it has to be evidence that couldn't have been discovered via due diligence during the initial trial and if it had been presented, it has to be significant enough that it could have changed the verdict.

two sources tell nbc news at least two jurors have hired their own attorneys. we have reached out to rebecca hill and have yet to hear back. >> i know as things get underway, you'll keep us posted. in our second hour, the exproud boys leader who could learn his fate today and i'll speak to the former spokesman for the oath keepers about what message it could send to members of the far right extremist movement. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. watching reports only on msnbc. [sneeze] (♪♪) astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go!

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we've got a lot more ahead on this second hour including the leader, the former leader of the proud boys in court and bracing for time in prison. but how much? why prosecutors say he deserves the longest sentence yet for january 6th even though he wasn't in washington when the mob attacked. a flurry of new activity in fulton county as the final trump co-defendants plead not guilty in a sweeping probe. we'll tell you what's next in the case. plus, new sightings in the man hunt for an escaped killer in pennsylvania including one man who says the convict broke

into his house. and the long trek home from a muddy mess. thousands of cars line up for the burning man exodus after being stranded for days. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin in washington where the sentencing hearing is just getting underway. ken dilanian is following that for us. so, ken, what are we expecting? >> well, chris, prosecutors are asking the judge to sentence tarrio to 33 years in prison but we don't think that will happen based on what the others got. they got between 15 and 19 years. if he does, that would make him the longest recipient. rhodes has 18 years and another got 18 years last week. prosecutors say that the proud