and the long trek home from a muddy mess. thousands of cars line up for the burning man exodus after being stranded for days. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin in washington where the sentencing hearing is just getting underway. ken dilanian is following that for us. so, ken, what are we expecting? >> well, chris, prosecutors are asking the judge to sentence tarrio to 33 years in prison but we don't think that will happen based on what the others got. they got between 15 and 19 years. if he does, that would make him the longest recipient. rhodes has 18 years and another got 18 years last week. prosecutors say that the proud

boys were responsible for the violence on january 6th. more so than any other group because they say they were instrumental in all of the key breaches. they introduced plenty of evidence that he was orchestrating things from afar, messaging his followers then afterwards, said make no mistake, we did this. so now, he faces justice. >> ken, i know you'll keep us posted on that. thank you. let's go to garrett haake with the latest developments in donald trump's election interference case in georgia. garrett, so now all of trump's co-defendants have pled not guilty. what more can you tell us? what do we know about what happens next? >> that's right. we saw a flurry of filings in morning from others in this case all pleaded not guilty. all waiving their rights to appear in person at an arraignment scheduled for

tomorrow. that arraignment will still go forward but it might be a judge just pushing around papers here. we won't see any of the defendants in place. we may see their attorney there is to argue various points. we've seen filings from some of the folks in this case. some are trying to speed up their trial, some are trying to make sure they're not caught up in the efforts of others like jon eastman. he needs more time to prepare his defense. the judge in this case has a lot to sift through as they try to figure out how to get all of these defendants together or separately across the finish line in this case and one pending decision from a different judge is what's going to happen with mark meadows. he just recently argued because he says everything he was doing was in relation to his job as chief of staff to the president, his job should be heard in federal court. there's no timeline from a judge

about if that case moves to federal court, stays in state court or if any others can ride along with it. a lot of moving parts down in georgia on this case. >> thank you for that. two school districts near philadelphia are closed today as police narrow their search for a convicted killer who escaped from prison on thursday. emily is in chester county, pennsylvania. police as i understand it say he has been spotted again on surveillance cameras. what can you tell us? >> well, those latest images coming overnight from just next to where i'm standing, next to me is longwood gardens. i grew up not far from here. it is a sweeping botanical garden. some of the clearest images of the 34-year-old who was convicted of murdering his girlfriend, sentenced to life in

prison just earlier this month speaking to why there's such urgency in this continued search process. one of the really notable things about these images we're getting from police and trail cam in longwood garden, it shows he breached the two-mile radius from the prison. i'm about three miles from the prison. police need to continue to expand and shift southward their search zone. we continue to hear helicopters above. lots of people on the ground. an immense number of assets. here's more from pennsylvania state police who's leading the investigation. >> you're dealing with someone who's desperate and doesn't want to be caught and so if he can find something, some clothing, some shelter, some food, he is going to take advantage in whatever he finds. again, we pressure him to not allow him the luxury of rest.

>> and those latest surveillance images show he has since accumulated some supplies. a backpack. a duffel bag. appears to be supplies within the bag as well. so that is a point of concern and why police are urging people to lock their doors and review their own personal images. my colleague spoke with someone who believes he was in his home at one point. listen here. >> the flight switch three or four times to let him know that i knew he was down there and then he flipped the light switch back a few times, which was the real panic moment where i turned to my wife and said he's here in the house, call 911 right now. >> 5 feet, 120 pounds. they're continuing to search for him. there's a reward of up to $10,000 for critical information. >> thank you for that. in the black rock desert, the exodus traffic is now eight

hours and counting to make it five miles out after a weekend stranded by mud at burning man. antonia hilton is reporting on this. this is a festival that prides itself on leaving no waste behind, but what do we know right now? >> well, chris, that is a challenge when people are in the midst of such harrowing conditions and they're making this slow crawl from the festival out to a paved road that as you mentioned is about five, six miles away. normally shouldn't take that long but people have waited up to nine hours in essentially bumper to bumper traffic. you can see it there. what we hear from folks is that there have been incredible frustrations and at times, people have had to leave items behind. they've abandoned vehicles, belongings, food, costumes, all kinds of stuff they've brought with them. that's happened in the past. in past years, people who live not far from the festival site say they've left it a little trashier. the concern now is that

conditions have been so unusual because of the rainfall, they could be looking at a bigger mess than they've seen in the past. the frustrations here are a key point. some of the festivalgoers have felt more could have been done by the people who organized to keep people safe, to keep them in the loop, to help them as they make this harrowing journey out. and others feel like because of how unusual this is, the festival has done the best they could. take a listen to some of the people on the ground. >> they just when the man was burned. people running out of water, food, gasoline, everything. but zero what they do. i'm sure the organization was completely like they don't care. >> everything is being handled as it's supposed to be. we can't really count for this kind of weather but it is what it is. >> to put this in perspective for folks who may not know much

about this festival, they don't even provide trash services. you're supposed to come and take care of yourself and others. it's sort of this funky community that comes together. so there aren't supposed to be too many services and resources on the ground. that's part of the spirit of the festival here and people are getting a feel for in the past what would have been jokes about the apocalyptic aesthetic of this festival, now, it's feeling very real. also because one of the festival festivalgoers passed away the friday night. they've been identified as a male, 32 years old. leon reece. while we still don't know the cause of death, we know that the rainfall complicated the effort by authorities to get to the scene to actually respond and to do an investigation. both people who have been watching this story closely and of course people who were on the ground for this incident, they're waiting eagerly to find out more from an autopsy that we should get in the coming days.

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boys have gotten the most. 18 years each. less than the prosecution wanted. i want to bring in a former spokesman for the oath keepers. he's also author of the book, perils of extremism. charles coleman is an msnbc legal analyst. charles, so far, the judge has gone below what prosecutors have asked for. they want 33 years. they got 17. 25 for rhodes. he got 18. would you expect to see the same pattern with tarrio or is this a different case all together? >> i think the answer is both. i think we can expect to see the judge go below the 33 years that the prosecution is going to ask for but still go higher than the minimum of what they can give. i expect that tarrio will receive a sentence that's higher than anyone else we've seen so

far. his profile, role of what went on and the fact he was convicted of seditious conspiracy, the most serious charge we've had for anyone connected to january 6th. all of those factors will make the judge go higher than the minimum but not as far as the 33 years that prosecutors are asking for. >> so tell me about something called the terrorism adjustment. what is it? >> what that does is allows judges to move beyond the sentencing guidelines where they might necessarily be capped stat torly but gives them further latitude to add on additional years. that's how you get to the additional years. i would expect you'd get to a 20, 20-year range. >> what about the fact he wasn't physically there? >> that doesn't matter because part of what we're talking about with the seditious conspiracy charge is the fact you were at

the head of coordinating all of this. you were at the helm of not only the planning, but the execution. so it was your foot soldiers who executed the vision you put together and that's why he's been convicted. he didn't have to be physically present to have assisted and been some of the brain power around putting this all in motion and that's what we saw happen and what you saw presented by the federal government on the grounds in which he was convicted. >> jason, you're not a lawyer but you know how these operations work and you understand the role that tarrio played in this. in the organization, but also on january 6th. what are you looking for here? >> i think we really need to hold leadership to account. i'm looking for a heavier sentence here. i think we're at a critical time. i think these groups are really looking at what their future is and how they re-group and kind of rise up from the ashes of these existing groups into the

future. really, this is going to play a major part in that. so i think it's a vitally important part of the process right now that we're in. i think we might see them even become more and more engaged on a political level because we've seen the messaging from trump saying he's going to pardon the people involved and that's a whole other beast. i would have liked to have seen going after the seditious conspiracy, i know it's a hard one to nail down, but that would have given us ground work for the 14th amendment. >> let me ask you about what you said after stewart rhodes was sentence. that the sentence has made him a rock star among right wing extremists. you even suggested he might be able to build a following in prison. that's the pull and push. if they give heavy sentences that it's a deterrent. the other is it just really gives them another way to get people riled up. what do you think when you look

at the big picture? >> i think it is a double edged sword. i think there's going to be a martyr factor that happens. we saw that in idaho with what happened at bundy ranch. they kind of became rock stars in their communities. so that's definitely going to be part of what's at play here. i think really the more important question is what happens with trump and the indictments and the prosecutions there because really when you come down to it, he was the seed. he was the one that was reaching out to these groups previously you know using them as a fuel in his machine that tried to dismantle democracy. really, we have got to focus on the head of the snake and that's trump. >> some trump supporters have warned that if he gets convicted on any of these charges in any of these cases, it could incite a civil war.

is that hyperbole? what do you think would happen if that were to happen? >> i wanted to think it was hyperbole previously when i was writing my book but the more things moved forward, i really think we are at a time right now where our very democracy is at stake and the next year or two is really going to be a deciding factor as to whether we continue to have democracy as a country moving forward. i think it's a possibility and it's the new book i'm working on right now deals with those possibilities. unfortunately, it's just, it's a dark period of time for our country and you know, for my daughters thinking about the future they're going to inherit is much more scary at the moment. >> yeah. it's going to be interesting to see how this does impact the movement overall. we've seen wildly different reactions from these men as they get sentenced. dominic yelled trump won as he was leaving but others have been

much more contrite. joe biggs said quote, i'm so sorry. i'm not a terrorist. i don't have hate in any heart and msnbc reports he grew emotional as he talked about his daughter, swearing on his life january 6th would be the last event with the proud boys. the only event he wants to be associated with is his daughter's pta. do you buy that? do you think overall there's a significant number of these now convicts who are truly sorry for what happened and who have changed? >> you know, i'm sure there are a certain number of them. especially if they have strong family connections and they're beginning to think about the future of their daughters or sons' lives or their wives or husbands. but i think there's a lot saying whatever they can to get off the hook and once they're still getting a larger sentence, we're seeing that kind of rebellion.

i'm sure everyone's emotions while they're being convicted and sentenced are very high. so we need to take that into account as well. i think it really is going to come down to community and family connections to really kind of get people to wake up a little bit from the craziness we all went through a year or two back. >> what's it going to take? in your case, you have one case that when i look at some of the people i've talked to who are supporters and i'm sure if we were talking to some of trump's supporters, even those who have gone to prison, they would say what you say, what's the world going to be like for my children and we say if we don't do this, what's the world going to be like for our children. they have a very different view of the role trump has played and will play moving forward. so what's going to change minds, what's going to i guess ramp down what has been a very high

volume -- i'm not even sure what the word for it is. it's just a belief that something has to happen even at the cost of violence. >> i think it all starts and ends with story telling. i think that you know, people become emotional and kind of disconnect from reality based on the stories that they're consuming. we as a species relate to our world through story telling. you know, whether that's religion or politics or just whatever you're watching on netflix. but i also think that family connections really, really make a difference. i know for me, that was my lifeline coming out of my drinking the kool-aid phase. and we really need to foster that human connection with the people that may have seen repercussions from their actions and are now looking at where do i go now. i think it's very important we

speak the truth, that we really look at the way story telling plays. the outing, this craziness, this all kind of flourished out of that alex jones info wars story telling hub that has just caught fire and that fire unfortunately has spread to our political nation. >> charles, prosecutors have gone in hard on these cases and they've been very successful. at them, but do you think there's more that the feds can do to ramp this down? to go after these movements, to try to diminish them? >> i think prosecutors have to stay consistent but i think we have to examine this from a broader scope. to the last point about story telling, everyone has to understand we have a role in how we got here. i think there has to be additional pressure placed on media for ethical story telling to become more and more of a staple.

that has disappeared. i think there has to be a bigger responsibility placed on policymakers around how they approach dealing with extremism when we see it. we have really changed the line between what is free and accepted speech. that has also tainted our political discourse. all of these things have coalesced into this very moment. so all of us bear responsibility. if we want to see this extremism snuffed out, we have to take it upon ourselves. whether that's the judiciary, policy, media, or whether that is actual law enforcement, to do their part and make sure that they're doing everything they can to combat everything we're seeing. >> charles, great to have you. jason, thank you so much. and we'll all be waiting because any moment now, we could get word on that sentence for tarrio and we'll have it for folks as soon as we get it. impeachment trial brought by his own party. the charges against ken paxton,

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any wrong doing. i want to bring in nbc's jane tim and investigative reporter, tony. thanks to both of you for being here. jane, we learned today paxton will not have to testify at this trial. tell us the backdrop. what exactly are the charges he's facing here and what do they see? what do his opponents say why impeachment is needed? >> it all centers around the attorney general's relationship with the developer and donor, nate paul. and they say that paul paid for renovations in paxton's home as well as gave a job to a woman paxton was having an affair with. and they say that these were bribes and he received, that paul received favorable legal assistance as well as access to the office of the attorney general in exchange for this alleged corruption.

the senators are taking this very seriously. this unusual proceeding this morning during the swearing in of the jurors, they brought out sam houston's bible. the first president of the republic of texas. very historic character. let's listen to that moment. >> we seldom bring out this sam houston bible. we do it at inaugurations and other special occasions. this is a very significant and serious occasion. that will be in the history books. >> now, to remove him from office, it will take two-thirds of the 31 senators here. of course, only 30 senators can vote. attorney general paxton's wife has been recused from voting as a juror. >> tony, you've covered multiple investigations against paxton. what are we expecting to see as this plays out including

possible witnesses? >> one of the key witnesses we are expected to hear from is a woman who is romantically linked to ken paxton. the reason her testimony is significant because nate paul is accused of providing a job for that woman at the request or at the behest of paxton. so what she says about the relationship. what she says about any agreement between those two men is potentially key to what happened. we also are expected to hear from other people well-known republicans. we understand that karl rove, former adviser to george w. bush, may in fact be on the witness list. a number of people have been subpoenaed to appear but as of this morning, we only are aware of five witnesses who have officially and formally been sworn in.

>> jonathan strickland was recently on steve bannon's show. he said quote, we're spending millions of dollars. anyone who votes against ken paxton in this impeachment is risking their entire political career and we will make sure that is the case. what is the intensity level there and are republican state senators feeling this kind of heat? >> well, certainly there have been an active and aggressive and well funded frankly campaign over the past several weeks and months leading up to the beginning of this trial with the far right and the ultra conservative essentially doing just that. threatening the sitting senators saying that you may in fact draw an opponent if you vote against ken paxton, but similarly, we've seen polls done by the university of texas recently for example, that indicated that many republicans were not even aware or did not know all of the facts about this but among those

republicans who did know, very few of them supported this impeachment proceeding. one thing that was so striking this morning is that the republican party and allies of ken paxton had an opportunity to call an end to all of this. to put this whole impeachment trial to a halt by voting in favor of motions by ken paxton for dismissal and it is very striking they did not do that. >> and a very high profile example of the split in the republican party. not just in texas, but in many places across this country. tony, jane, thank you both very much. appreciate you being on the program. from the southern border to the big apple, how the sudden influx of migrants is pushing new york city schools beyond the brink. and summer may be on its way out the door, but the blistering heat is not. where the extreme heat plans to stick around a little longer. next. stick around a little longer next

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back to school for kids here in new york city and this semester, that includes thousands of migrant children bussed in from the border. stephanie gosk has the latest for us. >> school starts in just a few days here in new york city and there have been hundreds of migrant families looking to enroll their children in school but there are limited resources and some parents are concerned the school system can't handle the surge. cities across the country are dealing with an ongoing migrant influx. here in new york, the school year is set to begin thursday with a surge of students. >> the latest round of asylum seekers, there's a large number of children and families. >> officials say since last july, nearly 19,000 students in temporary housing, many of them migrants, have enrolled in city schools. under new york state law, all kids from ages 5 to 21 are

guaranteed a publication regardless of their immigration status. >> we changed our school funding formula to provide additional funding to schools based on the number of students and temporary housing they enroll. >> but some parents worry schools will be stretched too thin. >> the problem is that they are not equipped to help them and we should be. >> it comes as a growing number of asylum seekers are arriving in cities nationwide. many still stuck in crowded temporary housing and hotels an other makeshift shelters. it's become a flash point for residents as more migrants arrive by the bus load. berlin suarez arrived from venezuela last month with her three daughters. her dream, a better quality of life for her and her children. city officials here in new york say they are committed to make this work this year, that they've dedicated an additional $110 million to the school budget. back to you. >> stephanie, thank you so much.

some dramatic moments at the u.s. open this morning when a german tennis player had a fan ejected for shouting the words from hitler's nazi era anthem. cameras were rolling as zverev reported the fan to the umpire mid match. take a listen. >> he just said the most famous hitler phrase there is in this world. unacceptable. this is unbelievable. >> well, that fan was identified by other spectators and removed by security. zverev didn't let the incident rattle him. he went on to win the match and advance to the quarterfinals. that match was played in what's been described as humid conditions as the summer heat wave refuses to let up. sering heat is now in the cards through the end of september with advisories in effect from texas to the east coast. baltimore is under a code red alert, bracing for temperatures higher than 10 o.

one weather historian says it's the harshest september on record east of the rockies. bill, what have we got and when will it end? >> all summer long, chris, everyone was like please, just get me to september. heat will break. humidity will die off and now here we are talking about this with 62 million people under heat alerts. everyone's given up. wait to october, i guess. the heat in the south has been there all summer. isn't going anywhere. 97 in dallas. texas, just getting more of what you had. for the east coast, hasn't been the hottest, kind of average. central park is approaching 90 degrees. some areas in the mid-atlantic will be close to 100. the humidity, the air mixing, it's worse in the morning. afternoon is better. washington, d.c., you're close. two degrees away from your

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fire, flying a helicopter trying to save the lives of some men who were on a reconnaissance mission. he tried to tell them to send up some flairs so he could identify where they were but by the time he got close, it wasn't going to work and so instead, he needed to fly elsewhere to almost act as a decoy to try to distract so they could get out and get to safety. instead, he, again, came under that great enemy fire. so he is going to be honored today by president biden and these very moving ceremonies where we're going to hear more about exactly what happened then and in the years since. he is, of course, an elderly man who served all those decades ago but has committed to life to service in this way. what is notable, you point out in the intro, that we're going to see is that president biden, because his wife, the first lady, of course, is positive for covid, he is going to take some additional precautions and so he's going to masking indoors

according to the white house and if he is at a distance from folk, he can remove his mask, but he's going to be careful because of his exposure to the first lady and we know he tested negative last night. he tested negative again earlier today according to the press secretary and they're going to keep up a regular testing cadence because of of course then he is scheduled to leave on thursday for india and vietnam. so the white house keeping close tabs on that but in any administration, these very special medal of honor moments are something that the president is very proud to participate in and of course, they didn't want to have to delay or cancel that in any way, chris. >> monica alba, thank you. today, voters head to the polls in rhode island and utah for special election primaries that will likely decide the next members of congress. in rhode island, it's a crowded field. nearly a dozen democrats seeking to replace the former

congressman. in utah, republicans will choose between three conservative candidates. they've got little daylight between them on the issues so that makes their support of donald trump a key question. only one of the three actually voted for trump in 2020. another has not voted in a presidential election in years. the third says she pulled the lever for joe biden. so we'll be watching that one. in d.c., the senate is back in session next hour including minority leader, mitch mcconnell, after a pair of frightening incidents where he froze before the cameras. a new letter from his doctor says there's no evidence of a stroke or other disorders. sahil is there for us and these questions about his health coincide with a very big to do list in the senate. bring us up to date. >> senator mcconnell is in this building according to a mcconnell aide i just spoke to, getting ready for the senate's return. the senate is scheduled to gavel in in just the next few minutes.

mcconnell usually speaks on the floor after schumer. then he's expected tomorrow to lead the senate republican leadership press conference, which is again usually happens the day after the senate gavels in. it would be unusual if mcconnell didn't attend and his office has not provided guidance about what he will or won't do. hours earlier as you mentioned, mcconnell's office released a letter written by the capitol's attending physician, brian monahan, that said he examined him and quote, there is no evidence that you have a seizure disorder or experienced a stroke, tia, or movement disorder such as park inson's disease. mcconnell have practically bookended with one in late july and one in late august. he is going to have to basically convince his senate republican

members that he is in good shape to continue remaining their leader, to kind of maintain their confidence in him to stay in that position. so far, we've picked up on sang anxieties and a desire for transparency, but notably no senators have pulled their support for mcconnell over health concerns. as long as that remains the case, he is safe in that job and he is not going to be able to take it easy over the next few weeks because the senate has a massive to do list, starting with preventing a government shutdown at the end of this month. the senate might be able to pass a short-term bill. that's where they're headed. it's far from clear how this ends. >> thank you for that. lots going on. two people in china just dug themselves an infamous spot in history after excavating a hole in the great wall just to shorten their commute time to work. police say the 38-year-old man and 55-year-old woman were detained after they widened an

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right now, we're seeing pictures of the burning man exodus. festivalgoers finally making their way out after three days stranded in the mud. our team on scene is reporting it's taken anywhere from eight and nine hours to make it through that wave of traffic even though the distance it covers is just five or six miles. we'll keep your eyes on that. right now, the fall tv schedule is looking a little thin unless you're really into reality tv or reruns. with no end in sight to the writers and actors strikes in hollywood, the networks are looking for ways to fill time slots. cnbc's julia boorstin has the

latest. what is the fall tv schedule looking like? >> well, chris, typically, the fall is when the networks debut their new tv shows, but this year, it's going to look a lot like the summer. that means a lot of reality tv show, game shows, and yes, some new tv shows that the studio shot before the writers strike and they've been sitting on them, holding on to them for now. but the hollywood reporter calculates there will be 38 hours of reality tv and game show programming at the start of the season. that's up 81% from last year. we're even going to see a number of reruns. for instance, cbs is airing yellow stone. it already ran on paramount plus and it's going to air reruns of its popular show, ghost, along with the original version of that show as a companion. fox has its typical animated comedies. abc's wednesday night prime time lineup has three game shows in a row. so a little different than the big flash of a lot of new prime

time series that people have really gotten accustomed to in recent years. >> we have seen a decline in orders for unscripted tv? why is that? >> yeah, that really surprised me. so during the last big strike, it was 15 years ago. a writers guild strike. there was a surge in reality tv production because that's what you can keep making when you don't have writers, but this year, unscripted tv orders declined from 509 in the first quarter down to u 4u 4 in the first quarter. the peak was 615 new show orders as of the start of last year. why? it's partially because of consolidation. warner brothers merged with discovery. there's also this trend of broad cost cutting across the media industry. another thing to keep in mind is there was already a lot of production in reality tv so there could be a backlog in some of these more recent showed have

not had any breakout hits. sometimes, when you have a hit, you have a spin off from that hit. >> it's going to be a very interesting fall. thank you very much. that's going to do it for this us hour. join us every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be back with you. i'm katy tur. there's a lot happening now in the court case of surrounding january 6th. first up in washington, d.c., former proud boys chairman enrique tarrio is being sentenced as we speak. prosecutors are asking for a whole lot of time. is the judge going to agree? and what could that mean for the other big federal interference case. the one that's being headed up by jack smith. also, jury selection for peter navarro's contempt of congress case. the former white house aide is being tried for refusing to if