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we begin with breaking news from georgia. a stunning development. the fulton county case that's grabbing the attention of former president trump. the georgia special grand jury report released by a state superior court judge this morning revealing that many of the jurors recommended indictments for 21 additional individuals. this is on top of the 19 people, including mr. trump, who were actually indicted. among them, former georgia republican senator david perdue, south carolina republican senator lindsey graham, former national security advisor michael flynn, former georgia republican senator kelly lauffler and george epstein. joining me is ken dilanian, barbara mcquade as well as former manhattan district attorney catherine christian. a lot of us were jaw dropped when we saw this report come out, especially we thought, what could be that impressive given

the indictment had come down? what's behind this? >> this is a rarity. you don't often see a list of people that a grand jury recommended charges on who are ultimately not charged. usually, that's secret. this is a big deal. the regular citizens who looked at this evidence for two years, evidence about efforts to overturn the election, recommended indictment against these other. they ultimately were not charged. there may be good reasons the d.a. decided -- for example, lindsey graham, is he covered by the speech and debate clause that immunizes members of congress for legislative acts? was that a complication -- a reason for him not to be charged? another interesting question is, will we ever see the evidence that led these grand jurors to conclude that these people should be charged? right now, we are not seeing it. it's secret.

usually grand jury investigations are secret because they are an invasion of people's privacy. in this case, this is an issue of our democracy. efforts to overturn the election. you could make an argument, maybe the public should know the evidence, particularly about why some of the public officials were recommended for criminal charges. >> barbara, what could be the possible reasons that the district attorney decided against inciting these individuals? could there be the possibility of cooperation as part of the reason we are not seeing indictments? >> yes, there could be a number of reasons. the grand jury makes decisions perhaps about who they can indict and who they believe there is sufficient evidence for. then it's really up to the prosecutor to exercise her discretion to make a decision as to who they should indict. it could be legal reasons. it could be insufficiency of the evidence. it could be privilege. or it could be cooperation. you will note a number of fake electors are listed on the lists and only a handful were charges.

i presume that's because the others have agreed to cooperate. similarly, it is a fair question to ask where some of these people like lindsey graham or p interesting. mike flynn is an interesting name. really intriguing information. it does cause you to wonder whether some or all of the people may be cooperating. >> we knew based on the indictments handed down, 19 names that willis was going to bring an incredible level of detail to her prosecution. but the fact that there's a wide ranging group of people that were considered to be indicted, does that give us an indication how intense this upcoming trial will be? >> definitely. we know that they are going to have 150 witnesses who will testify.

if you believe that you cannot prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, you do not ask a grand jury to indict. that's also a major reason why many people she selected not to indict. i do think -- there's a reason why it's a rico charge. she believes -- this was a large conspiracy and a criminal enter enterprise. that's why you have that charge. make sure everyone who you can prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt has been charged. >> barbara, there's also a development today with ken chesebro, a former trump legal advisor. he is trying to get his lawyers to convince the judge to get the rico charges against him thrown out. that's just another motion that the district attorney has to deal with. is this part of the complication of getting this potential trial on the calendar and moving

forward? >> yes. i think we're going to see these kind of motions from all of the defendants. it is perhaps one of the reasons we see this strategic difference between willis in georgia and smith in the federal case. every lawyer nows they will face motions whenever they file a case like this. challenging the rico charges, i think that's a predictable kind of motion to get. willis seems prepared for the long haul. she's going to work her way through all of these motions. i think it's why you see jack smith in the federal case charging only donald trump so that he only has to see one defendant's motions and not 19 defendants. >> let's talk about donald trump and bring in vaughn hillyard. he is in south dakota ahead of a trump event there this weekend. i gotta wonder what's going through the former president's mind right now. he is always concerned about loyalty. is he going to see this list and wonder what the individuals who weren't indicted may have told prosecutors?

>> reporter: that's absolutely part of the speculation. david perdue was not indicted. he was donald trump's endorsed candidate to try to take down governor brian kemp in last year's republican primary. david perdue failed. but for donald trump, he put a lot of faith in these individuals. what you have also seen is those who were indicted have questioned whether there will be financial support from donald trump and his political organizations. so far, they have not seen any support. last night, donald trump did hold a fund-raiser at his private club in bedminster for specifically rudy giuliani alongside the former new york mayor who was indicted in georgia. i'm told by an ally of donald trump that in fact the legal defense fund has been set up to potentially help some other defendants related to these various cases. so far, that's in the beginning steps of being created. there is no indication of any major donors at this point.

for donald trump, yeah, there's co-defendants. but there's also millions of americans that he is going to have to rally around him politically. that's why he is in south dakota tonight. he is going to be joined alongside south dakota governor who could be a vice presidential pick. this is before he goes to iowa for the football game. when it comes to the georgia case, i want to let you look at a new statement from the former president in which he writes, the georgia grand jury report has been released. it has zero credibility and taints willis and the political witch hunt. they wanted to indict anybody who happened to be breathing at the time. it undermines the credibility of the findings. only about half of the individuals that were named in the report were actually indicted by the grand jury and the district attorney. but for donald trump, the difficulty here is that it's a vast web of individuals who were loyalists to him and trying to

keep them on his side is going to continue to be a hurdle. of course, yesterday, peter navarro was found in criminal contempt of congress for failing to comply with the subpoenas of the january 6 select committee. for donald trump, there's a lot of individuals to keep an eye on while trying to pull off a political primary victory. >> catherine, i know it's a fool's errant to try to decipher a statement from the former president, especially as complicated as this report. that doesn't make sense to me that the fact that 21 people were not indicted, that then the full indictments that did get handed down lack credibility. wouldn't this show that there was a level of discernment by the district attorney's office? >> exactly. it doesn't make sense because it's nonsense. the special grand jury was not a regular grand jury. it was an evidence gathering

investigative grand jury. they had no power to indict. it could be argud the d.a. was careful and she chose there was evidence she could prove beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. donald trump's problem is that 18 of his co-defendants, as what happens in a lot of conspiracy cases and rico cases where the lieutenants and lower-rung people point their finger at the leader. he only did x, y, z at his direction. that's his problem. >> ken, do you we have any sense of whether or not the 21 people have any risk of indictment down the road? is there the possibility that perhaps charges could be brought? >> there's the possibility but it's row most. willis brought the kitchen sink here. she indicted a lot of people. it stands to reason that unless new evidence comes to light,

there's no reason to think that -- by the way, look what happened in the documents case. that did happen. new evidence came to light. that's possible. in terms of the existing evidence that took two years to assemble, i think she made her calls. >> barbara, do you have anything to add? >> i think that's right. there's always potential exposure. there's even potential exposure federally for all of these same people who engaged in the same misconduct. i think ken is right. if willis had shown reluctance to charge a large -- it doesn't look like she's looking to make it more difficult. it seems like she made her call. for whatever reason, whether cooperation or privileges, she didn't want to spend the time litigating. >> that was a lot to break down in a short period of time. a pretty involved report by this

grand jury. i appreciate you for being here to help us get through it all. thank you. rebranding. republicans on the hill want a new name for their abortion policies. can renaming an unpopular policy turn around their losing streak at the ballot box? streak at the ballot box? ♪i've got home internet from t-mobile.♪ ♪it only costs $50 bucks at t-mobile.♪

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>> reporter: clearly not going anywhere. announcing a few moments ago in a tweet she's going to seek re-election in 2024. she's 83 years old. obviously, the question of age has been on the topic of everybody's minds over the last summer, the last six months, we talk about mcconnell and feinstein, who pelosi stood behind even when democrats were calling for her to ten down. i want to read you part of the tweet. she says, now more than ever our city needs us to advance values and further our recovery. our country needs america to show the world that our flag is still there and liberty and justice for all. that's why i'm running for re-election and ask for your vote. she's up in 2024. she wants to continue the legacy that she has helped build for nearly four decades as a member of congress. as you mentioned, she did step down from leadership. they said it's time for a new wave of leaders. famously as she's referring to

herself, she said she will run for another term. i was at the portrait unveiling where she talked about her legacy, she helped usher the affordable care act, keeping democrats together. she wants to continue some of what she's built over the last four decades, telling politico yesterday in an interview that she really doesn't want to see the golden age of women who represented san francisco to go away. she named barbara boxer who left. she talks about jackie speer who retired. a stunning surprise at the urge -- they are urging her to do this. >> she found her footing in this role. thank you so much.

there are growing fears among democratic lawmakers and donors over president biden's lagging approval rating and concerns over his age from voters. the lawmakers may see that as a leading alternative to the incumbent president. he says he is all in for biden and deferential to the second in command. >> filing deadlines haven't passed. >> think the vice president is naturally lined up. the filing deadlines are coming to pass. we need to move past this notion that he is not going to run. >> you hear these calls privately. what do you tell donors? >> time to move on. >> am i supposed to interpret that about the vice president that if for some reason the president chose not to run, everybody rallies around her? >> it's the biden/harris administration. >> you respect that? >> maybe i'm a little old-fashion about, president or vice president.

>> joining me now, the dean of the public school of public service at the university of arkansas. those are, i would say, the most supportive public comments from the governor about harris. they are both californians. should there be some surprise shakeup, do you think that he would stay on the sidelines if president biden stepped aside and hand things off to the vice president? >> i think that anything is possible. i think if president biden were not to run, i do think governor newsom would be a likely contender. look what he did over the summer. he was very aggressive in terms of the far right, in terms of republicans across the nation. really embarking on building a national brand, a national platform outside of california. actions speak louder than words

to me. but he is doing what you would expect of him, to be a consummate diplomat and say right now we're all focused on the election. things can change, if president biden were not to run. >> we are talking about 2024. there's life beyond the biden presidency whenever that particular term comes to an end. you understand the aspects of a political rivalry, especially in a prominent state. at some point, there possibly is a showdown between newsom and harris. will there be a gloves-off moment for these two powerful politicians? >> one thing will be is if senator feinstein decides to step down before her term is over, the governor of the state of california gets to choose her replacement for the rest of the term. that's something they would have to be -- i don't think they're going to be on the same page as far as who should replace feinstein should she return --

retire, excuse me. however, there's no doubt newsom is out there for himself. he is setting the stage. i think he would try to -- he would try to steamroll over anybody. >> let's turn to abortion. we have new nbc news reporting from julie who you just heard from. it's about senate republicans trying to stop this losing streak at the ballot box linked to the issue of abortion by trying to shift away from the phrase pro-life. considering what they are calling pro-baby policies. is it realistic to think you could get every republican lawmaker behind that concept and make that the talking point? >> no. it's not. you will have the very, very conservatives from conservative districts -- they know they are going to win day in, day out. they are going to keep that pro-life position and say pro-life. the idea of trying to rebrand it

right now is absurd. they cannot do it. they know they are in trouble. instead of having -- trying to rebrand, they should try and figure out how each candidate can come out on the issue, even if it's not for a total ban and it's 15 weeks. i'm not saying it's right. but they have to do something, because otherwise, women are going to come to the polls in droves. men, too. but this issue is going to be bigger than joe biden or donald trump, should he be the nominee. >> can it work? >> let me take a step back and put on my political psychology hat. when i saw this news, it was puzzling. traditionally, republicans are the ones that are so good at branding. they just know how to package ideas and policies that might be distasteful, doing it in a way that connects with the public. now what we are seeing is that the branding is just no longer

working. they are starting to question themselves. when a branding machine as powerful as the gop is failing, it's about substance. they are going to have to do something about the policy. tweaking the name isn't going to do it. >> great conversation. thank you so much for being here. booster green light. what you need to know about the latest round of the new covid vaccines that could be green lit by the fda as soon as today. dr. patel helps us understand what's driving the rise in new cases. that's next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. five meats on the beast! and look at that double cheese! try subway's tastiest refresh yet. when it comes to your hair, ingredients matter. that's why herbal essences is packed

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hospitalizations? no. it's mapping to some of the previous surges. what i'm looking for are newer variants and whether that could cause another uptick during holiday season and then looking forward to see if there's any unexpected populations getting hospitalized. the majority of hospitalizations are people with what we call covid pneumonia. it's getting into their lungs. even mild symptoms can be problematic and set them back. i don't want anyone to get infected if we can help it. >> dr. patel, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. straight ahead, more on the special grand jury report just released in fulton county and the three current and former senators recommended for an indictment. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. wn power. [sigh] now, powerwash gives me the power of an overnight soak in minutes. with 3 cleaning boosters... not found in traditional dish soaps that help break down, loosen and lift away food and grease... so much faster!

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the election interference probe but were not charged. joining me now is garrett haake and sabrina siddiqui, barbara mcquade is back with us, and peter baker as well. garrett, it's interesting because you pressed senator graham about why he cared so much about the election in 2020. tell us about that. >> this is instructive about why the grand jury -- the second grand jury might have chosen not to charge graham. here you have somebody acting as a politician at a time period when everyone in the republican party was asking similar questions about what was going on in some of the states. i asked him right in the meat of this, in the middle of november of 2020, why he found himself so interested in georgia. here is what he told me. did you or did you not ask him to throw out votes? >> no. that's ridiculous. i talked to him about how you verify signatures. i thought it was a nice

conversation. >> why is a senator from south carolina calling the setting of state of georgia? >> it hangs in the balance. >> he made those calls and then he voted to certify the election on january 6 and has subsequently said that he does think joe biden is the proper president of the united states. his political interest was clearly of some note to the special grand jurors, six or seven which voted against his indictment, and probably why the prosecutor attorney said this is not the battle i want to have. >> let's move to a new development that just came down. the judge in the new york civil case related to the trump family business announced the trial will begin october 2nd, despite trump's attempts to delay. how big of a hit is that to his legal team that the trial date

has been set? >> i think it was not unexpected. of course, donald trump was trying to push it, like all of the other cases, to a date beyond the election. it sounds like this one is going to go. this is a civil case. the allegations that we have seen are incredibly powerful. it's about financial fraud in the tens of millions of dlaus. coverage of that trial will impact the president's standing in the public opinion. i don't know whether any of his loyal followers will care in light of some of the things he says about the motivation of these cases. i think the facts will come out when we see the evidence in this case. those could be very damaging to his reputation as he runs for president. in addition, i think that is time that will be spent on those cases and not in preparation for the criminal cases. i imagine he may use that as an argument for further delay in

some of his criminal cases. >> peter, looking at the new names, how do you think that's playing in trump world today? >> i think the trump orbit has been so filled with people who are willing to go along with him on this, who are willing to entertain what they could have or should have or may have already known was untrue about these fraud allegations in order to satisfy president trump or satisfy the base that supports him. some of them may have believed that there were indications of fraud. all the evidence was to the contrary. all the facts were to the contrary. they were running for re-election on january 5th. they were trying to win a special election at the same time president trump was telling everybody not to trustee -- trust elections.

senator graham had been president trump's closest ally. at one point on january 6, after the riot said, i'm done. then tried to say what i meant is i'm not done with trump, i'm just done with that particular day and that particular effort. >> the irs investigator in the hunter biden case is testifying. looking at hunter biden's business dealings. i caught up with the judiciary chairman jim jordan yesterday and talked about a possible impeachment vote when the house returns next week. listen to what he had to say about that. >> we're going to follow the facts, the evidence. if it warrants an impeachment inquiry, we will do that. the speaker is clear. >> you believe a vote needs to happen? >> we will go that route if needed. i think we are headed in that direction. >> how is the white house and

the president preparing for the hunter biden indictment which could happen later this month? >> it could happen later this month. they are not waiting for it to happen to push back. you will see the white house time and time again attacking the people who are pushing for impeachment, accusing them of exaggerating or making up facts and basically acting as if the impeachment battle were being waged. that doesn't mean they think there's going to be an impeachment inquiry. it's possible that there won't be. if it goes to a vote, as kevin mccarthy said it should, rather than just under his own authority, that means they have to get 218 votes. at the moment, many democrats and republicans do not believe there are 218 votes. you heard ken buck saying there's not any evidence there that the president did anything wrong, whatever you think of hunter biden. there's no evidence the president did anything impeachable. other republicans have said the same thing, if not publically, then in the background.

it's a gamble for kevin mccarthy at this point whether he decides to go forward. >> sabrina, let's talk about what voters think about a possible impeachment. a "wall street journal" poll shows a majority of voters oppose it. some republicans are really pushing for it. what else does the poll say about the impact of hunter biden on the president? >> there are a number of factors. first and foremost, republicans in congress have not actually produced any evidence to suggest that president biden engaged in any illegal activity or used his influence as then vice president to help his son hunter's business dealings. that's obviously something that i think you see reflected in how the public is reacting to the legal troubles surrounding the president's son. there's a big difference in how voters see the legal issues facing former president trump, which are very different from those facing hunter biden, and those before the president's son. our poll found 83% of voters said they are closely following

the legal issues before trump versus 66% who said the same of hunter biden. there's not as much awareness. there was also much more of an impact on the former president with more voters saying that those legal issues have some affect on how they plan to vote. 57% of voters said that the troubles surrounding hunter have no impact on whether or not they will vote for president biden. i think you obviously see partisan differences play out as well. the key here is that the legal troubles surrounding former president trump are more likely to have influence among independents. persuadable voters, that's important. the hunter biden saga is more of a rallying cry for the republicans. trump will face obstacles with the voters who will need to support him to defeat president biden. >> garrett, the trump team

believes this is an asset. >> absolutely. they would love to see an impeachment. to your point about the persuadable voters, that's true when donald trump's legal troubles are front and center all day long for weeks at a time. if president biden gets impeached or there's hearings, that's 24/7 coverage on every network, probably including this one. it's going to draw those issues into the forefront in a way the biden administration is not going to be able to ignore. it gets ugly and messy. it's a way to put it in front of people's faces. >> and to muddy the waters. >> maybe only a few thousand votes in a couple of important states, that could make a big difference. strategic partners. we have a live update from new delhi as president biden and india's prime minister modi meet ahead of this year's g20 summit. how the two nations are tightening their global alliance. senate foreign relations

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absent are putin and xi. mike, set the scene for us. what's the president's focus or goal while he is here? >> reporter: ryan, in the last few minutes we heard from an administration official after president biden's meeting with modi in which he describes the relationship between the u.s. and india as perhaps the most consequential bilateral relationship for the u.s. in the current century. that really speaks to what we have seen over the course of the last year, a significant investment in diplomatic capital. multiple visits by cabinet members to india. president biden's invitation to modi to come for a state dinner. his participation in the g20 summit. part of a joint statement we just received, it appears he president biden will come back for another summit in a few

months. this is part of the administration's effort to build relationships in the indo-pacific region to counterbalance china's influence in the region. we don't have pictures to show to you of the meeting that the president had with modi. what's been unmistakable for those of us here in india for 48 hours is how heavily stage managed the indian government is making this summit. you can't travel even a few blocks without seeing giant posters featuring prime minister modi. there are parliamentary elections here in india. india does not have the same, let's just say, track record on press freedom we do at home. this presented a challenge for the biden administration. do we do as we have seen in the past? do they threaten to withhold president biden from entering into a meeting unless there's access for even just the press pool? that was a decision the administration did not choose to make tonight. they say this was just a

circumstance-based issue tonight. there have been photos of the two together over the course of the last year. we will see them together as part of the g20 summit. disappointing for us in the press corps not to have access to the meeting. access will continue to be limited throughout the summit, which continues saturday into sunday. >> mike, we should point out, as you were talking to us, the prime minister's office sending out a photo of them meeting. of course, it was directly from them. that was not a photo taken by the press that's working the summit. you see the photo. we will see if the press access improves throughout the visit there. mike memoli, thank you. joining me now is democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut who serves on the foreign relations committee. he is a national advisor board member for president biden's re-election bid. thank you for being here. let's talk about the ad for the president's re-election campaign. what are you expecting from the

summit, especially as it relates to china, their global economic influence, but also the military? "the new york times" has been a map that shows china's expanding military presence around the world. how concerning is it for you? should that be a major topic for the president to discuss? >> there's no doubt that china is growing in military prominence and prowess. their primary diplomatic tool today is economic aid. the hardest work that's going to be done at the g20 summit is going to be on this topic of bringing together the world's democracies to try to make sure that we can match china when it comes to the offers they make, especially in developing countries, to buy up their infrastructure or purchase mineral rights. what china wants to do is essentially capture the highways and railways of global commerce so that they can own a monopoly

over at least certain targeted trades. we can't let that happen. you will see a big announcement at this summit between the united states, india and some of our middle east partners to build a new infrastructure linkage between india and the middle east. i think you are going to see some big commitments from our partners to put money into these global development funds so that we can make sure china is not the only one putting an offer on the table when a port comes up for bid in north africa. the military spending increases in china are worrisome. an important topic. i think that's why biden is coming back for the summit of the quad in a few months. probably global development funding, the most important task for the united states and our allies right now. >> i assume ukraine will also be on the agenda as well. secretary blinken yesterday saying that the counteroffensive against russia is making what he called tangible progress.

the president asked congress for billions more in aid. how concerned are you that house republicans will not agree to that? it seems there's support on your side of the chamber but what about the other side? >> i'm worried. you have heard some reporting that republicans in the house are contemplating using ukraine aid as a hostage, essentially, to get right wing policies passed that have nothing to do with ukraine aid. that message in and of itself is really dangerous, because if ukraine -- ukraine soldiers feel like they are being sold out by their allies, at least on the republican side, in the congress, that has real consequence for this increasingly successful offensive. to the point we were talking about, india is a key player here as well. india and china right now are essentially providing russia with the funding it needs to

keep this campaign going. india and china are buying huge amounts of russian oil. ultimately, the two keys in many ways to who wins this conflict between russia and ukraine is whether the united states keeps supporting the ukrainian military and whether at some point india and china draw a harder line with russia and tell them that if they don't end this abomination of a campaign, they will stop financing it through oil sales. >> let's play some of that ad from president biden's re-election campaign centering on the president's surprise visit to ukraine in february. take a look. >> he entered ukraine under the cover of night. and in the morning, joe biden walked shoulder to shoulder with our allies in the war-torn streets, standing up for democracy in a place where a tyrant is waging war to take it away. >> air raid sirens blared.

>> joe biden showed what america is made of. that's the quiet strength of a true leader who doesn't back down to a dictator. >> the president has succeeded in uniting domestically he's still dealing with poob hypothetical matchups show him tied to donald trump in 2024. how do you break through with this message and does that resonate with americans? >> i think it's a really important message, because this president has rehabilitated america's role in the world. america is safer under president biden and his likely opponent, donald trump, has made it perfectly clear that trump is going to use the presidency in order to enrich himself and his family and that he will likely on day one sell ukraine down the river, hand that country to vladimir putin. that is not something the

american public supports and this advertisement is showing the effectiveness of this president on foreign policy, how he has made this nation safer, and, listen, that matters to the people i represent. though trump is not mentioned in the ad, it certainly is a very clear contrast with trump's presidency and a future potential trump presidency in which he will just leverage the white house for his own personal gain. >> before you go, senator, the fulton county special grand jury just recommended that your current colleague, senator lindsey graham of south carolina be indicted, and that several of your ex-colleagues be indicted. does it concern you at all that his name came up in this report? >> i have not seen that report, so i'll refrain from commenting. obviously lindsay and i have disagreements when it comes to president trump serving this country, but i have not read the report you're referencing. and before i talk about one of

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were. edward kelly is the general president for the international association of firefighters and he's just back from meeting with the firefighters in maui. so, edward, you've compared what they were up against to a david versus goliath situation. just tell us what you heard from those firefighters. >> well, we know that there were winds clocked up to roughly 80 miles an hour, which is essentially a hurricane that they were facing with no rain. maui is a particularly windy island. wind is the most dangerous element when it comes to fire. what they were up against was insurmountable odds. they only have ten engine companies on the island of maui, and lahaina, which is a small city, basically, they only have unengine company and one ladder company. comparably, industry standards would call for about 40 firefighters within eight

minutes of a high-rise fire. they could have never provided that response. on august 8th, the level of fuels, wind that they faced was insurmountable. it was really, as i mentioned, david versus goliath, and the firefighters put themselves at great risk. we're very lucky we didn't lose 10 or 20 firefighters on maui that day. i know some of those firefighters, you know -- actually, one texted his family to say they were going to die as they were getting overrun, their windshields were bubbling, luckily by the grace of god and the heroics of one of their brother firefighters that comen deerd a police vehicle and rode up and put eight of them in an suv, drove through the fire and got them out of where they were. they lived. if not for that, they would have died along with many of their friends and family members that perished that day. and i know the firefighters of maui, their hearts are with the

people of maui. maui is like a family. it's a small island community and everyone knows everyone. so their hearts are broken for everybody. >> it sounds like this is a resources issue, among many other issues that they're dealing with there. is it not just in maui, but across the country, are firefighters in need of more resources to keep their community safe, and are there the necessary funds and political capital to make it happen? >> well, there's disparities between communities. some communities are adequately staffed, others that could be just a mile away are not even close. and that really lies with the decisionmakers, the politicians that are elected to govern, and there's room for improvement in the majority of the communities throughout the united states. and as these wildfires, which were traditionally west coast, california, issues, are now emerging places like greater baltimore and new jersey, the

outskirts of boston, we're seeing them across florida, colorado, texas, et cetera, we really need the federal government to step in and create a better capability of resources that we already have, the firefighters we already have in this country, that are trained and equipped and deployable where they need them. >> edward kelly, thank you so much for your perspective. we do have some breaking news to go to. senator lindsey graham reacting moments ago to the newly released georgia special grand jury report that recommended he be indicted. listen to what the senator had to say. >> i've called around different states, including georgia, as a sitting united states senator, chairman of the judiciary committee. i eventually certified the election in all states, including georgia. i didn't find any evidence of mass voter fraud, but i did have concerns about the mail-in ballot systems. we can't criminalize senators doing their job when they have a

constitutional requirement to fulfill. we're opening up pandora's box here. >> keep in mind, senator graham not one of the co-defendants indicted alongside former president trump in this case. he was just someone that the grand jury recommended be charged. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back from assignment and right back here on monday. remember to follow the show on all the social media channels. you can find me at ryan nobles. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. hi, everybody. good to see you. we have a lot to get to this hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend, chris jansing. 21 people, including prominent lawyers, lawmakers, now know just now close they came to potentially facing criminal charges in georgia. we have some new