constitutional requirement to fulfill. we're opening up pandora's box here. >> keep in mind, senator graham not one of the co-defendants indicted alongside former president trump in this case. he was just someone that the grand jury recommended be charged. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back from assignment and right back here on monday. remember to follow the show on all the social media channels. you can find me at ryan nobles. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. hi, everybody. good to see you. we have a lot to get to this hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend, chris jansing. 21 people, including prominent lawyers, lawmakers, now know just now close they came to potentially facing criminal charges in georgia. we have some new details about

the people and the charges that were recommended by the fulton county special grand jury, but were never brought. and what are the chances that these names listed end up as future witnesses in an election interference trial? plus, republicans scrambling to make up ground on the abortion issue, not by changing their policy, but by changing the terminology. by moving away from the phrase pro-life, it has certainly become a part of their political strategy. then hurricane lee, bordering on a category 5 storm 70 miles wide, churning across the atlantic as we speak. is the east coast in the clear or is there still a chance the storm could actually hit the united states? all of that, we're going to get to it. we want to start with this fascinating look inside the fulton county special grand jury deliberations and the extraordinary list of people that were recommended for

charges but ultimately left off of the indictment. amongst them, south carolina republican lindsey graham, as well as former georgia senators david perdue, kelly loeffler also on the list. the current lieutenant governor of georgia, mike flynn, and trump adviser boris epstein. in all, 21 additional people were recommended to face charges, but ultimately did not. we want to bring in msnbc anchor katie phang and paul butler, georgetown law professor and an msnbc legal analyst. lisa, you get lucky and get the first question here. a lot of big names, lindsey graham one of them, mentioned on this list. what goes into the decisionmaking for the d.a. in figuring out who they're going to move forward for charges and who not to? >> one of the things that i think is interesting is a vote

against -- a vote against a recommendation here in the special grand jury report doesn't preclude someone from being in the r recommendations, but in a criminal trial you need a unanimous jury. one of the things da willis could have been thinking through, what does that say about the strength of your case against certain of these people if and when you bring them to trial and a jury of their peers? there are a couple of circumstances where you've got more than one no vote, one in particular, for example, a particular statute against the folks involved in the coffey county case. but there are other examples here, and i think in particular that had to weigh on them in deciding who to charge, but also how to charge them. >> that's interesting. because if you're looking at lindsey graham, for instance, 17 no votes, 13 yeses, flynn, only one no there, 20 yeses, michael

flynn not charged in the final indictment. we actually are getting sound from senator lindsey graham reacting, and i want to take a listen to what he has to say. katie, i'll have you react on the other side. >> at the end of the day, nothing happened. what i did was consistent with my job as being united states senator, chairman of the judiciary committee, but it was just not me. three united states senators . we're opening up pandora's box. i think the system in this country is getting off the rails and we have to be careful not to use the legal system as a political tool. >> let me read for folks from this grand jury final report with respect to what they recommended the senator be charged for, and then have you react to what we just heard there. with respect to the national effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, focused

in georgia, arizona, the grand jury recommends that the district attorney seek indictments of the following persons, including votes here, and lindsey graham's name is amongst that list. talk to me about what we just heard from the senator there. >> i mean, i don't agree with lindsey graham, that's not the first for me to say that. but i also think he got by by the skin of his teeth because there was all this litigation going into whether or not lindsey graham was going to have to testify in front of the special grand jury. he did have some protections in terms of the questions that he was required to answer, the speech and debate clause exists to protect politicians from having to answer questions that had to do with their legislative duties, but i think lindsey graham is flirting with this complete, you know, perversion of reality, which is you cannot use your position as a politician to assist in a criminal act. you can't use your position as a politician to be a criminal co-conspirator. but i think to lisa's point and

the question you just posed to her, the burden of proof in a criminal case is beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. when it comes to a grand jury, it's just probable cause, and then when it comes to a special grand jury, it's not even that. and so when you think about the fact that the special grand jury listened over the span of about six, maybe seven months to 75 witnesses and a litany of evidence, these are just their recommendations. this is not them as lawyers stating that there was, you know, a legal basis for that. >> important point. >> then the other thing, the grand jury that sat separate and apart a few weeks ago, they only listened to about nine witnesses. it really makes you wonder, what is the universe of evidence that is so compelling and damning against the 19 that have been indicted, maybe versus the ones that you have here like kelly loeffler, like david perdue, even boris epshteyn.

we've had indited lawyers, but we don't have boris epshteyn or lynn wood, who we know had their fingerprints over everything. it's key for people to remember the special grand jury served an entirely different purpose. it was an investigative body and took in evidence and simply made recommendations and didn't return an indictment. >> you talk about the nine, the 75 listed here, the witnesses, the 150 plus mentioned by the state and the chesboro hearing just a couple of days ago as well and just the mountain of likely evidence that fulton county d.a. fani willis has at her fingertips, just astounding. how many of these folks do you think could feasibly be called as witnesses for the trial or are already cooperating? >> well, we do know that at least eight of the fake electors in georgia received immunity deals, those eight were not indicted in that group of 19.

there are others, for example, like alex coffin, they were identified on the witness list for mark meadows' federal evidentiary hearing. i saw him testify against mark meadows. so you have to anticipate that there are cooperation deals or that there's just straight-up assistance being provided to the state of georgia by some of these 21 that were not indicted. >> paul, former president trump, unsurprisingly, reacting to this latest report, saying it totally undermines the credibility of the findings and saying it shows they wanted to indict anybody who happened to be breathing at the time. but i wonder if it shows the exact opposite, when you have 21 additional recommendations who were not charged. >> exactly right.

so there's limited good news from the report. the few grand jurors who voted not to recommend indictments raised concerns with what trump has said publicly, that some of the conduct was political or it was protected by the first amendment. so all trump needs is one juror in his trial to vote to acquit based on those same concerns, and he escapes being a convicted felon in georgia. but the bad news, as you indicated, is that d.a. willis has assembled a meticulous case. trump is saying the special grand jury threw the kitchen sink at him, but it's really important to note that d.a. willis didn't prosecute everybody that the grand jury recommended. she was discerning, she exercised her legal judgment and vast experience prosecuting rico cases. we were wondering why it was

taking so long for the indictment to come down after the special grand jury issued its report months ago. now it appears that d.a. willis was fulfilling two really important responsibilities. she was making these essential judgments about who among the 40 people recommended for prosecution she was going to charge, and she was also getting ready for trial. it was like the first might happen at the end of next month. >> if they happen in october. mike roman, former trump campaign official, not mentioned in this latest report released, but one of the 19 indicted. >> yes. >> walk us through that. >> there are other people, i should note, who are in this report, were on the receiving end of an indictment, but the special grand jury did not recommend some of the charges against them that were ultimately brought. for example, there's a section of the grand jury report that

talks about the second 2nd call to brad raffensperger and recommends charges against trump and mitchell, but not mark meadows. meadows in the actual indictment has been charged with rico and solicitation of brad raffensperger for violation of his oath. that's not something the special grand jury recommended. mike roman may have been a person that came to their attention later in the game, and in particular through the cooperation of some of these fake electors. we know that mike roman was sort of connective tissue between the upper echelons of the trump campaign and the people working on the ground in various states. as the director of election day operations, after election day he transitioned to a role where he was interfacing between the lawyers who were planning the fake elector strategy and the people on the ground who would have to make it happen. so it may be that it wasn't until after this process that the fulton county d.a. fully appreciated and understood the role of mike roman in making all of that happen.

>> katie, i mentioned multiple states that have come up in the report that came up in the initial indictment as well, not just georgia, but arizona, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, washington, d.c. this is a question that we have asked before, but i think begs to be asked yet again, but if you have d.a.s in that state taking a look at this report and the last indictment as well, is this just a roadmap to possible charges coming out of those states as well? >> well, it's already happened. it's happened in michigan. there have been charges brought against the fake electors in michigan, and so you have to consider that there could be ongoing investigations in those other states that have been identified in the special grand jury report. and the context that those states were mentioned is in that section of the grand jury report that deals with the rico count. this idea that it was this overarching criminal conspiracy that had tentacles that reached into other states. and we also know special counsel jack smith has been looking into those states. so i would not breathe a sigh of relief if i am any of these people that didn't actually make

it across the finish line when it comes to the 19 defendants that got indicted by the second grand jury. in fact, state charges -- excuse me, federal charges are not precluded just because you don't get prosecuted in a state case and vice-versa. so i would emphasize that because these 21 were not indicted does not mean that they will not face some measure of federal exposure, and then state exposure in the other states. >> katie, lisa, paul, thank you, guys. coming up next, we have a high-stakes summit under way in india. how president biden is working to counter the strengthening alliance between china and russia. we are back in just 60 seconds. (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) with verizon business, we get more control of production,

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seat again in 2024. the 83-year-old has been serving in congress for the past 36 years. she's served as house speaker on two separate occasions before stepping down earlier this year. with just hours to go before the g20 summit kicks into gear, president biden got a head start, arriving early to india for a one-on-one meeting with prime minister narendra modi, held at his personal residence. it's the latest example of a push from the u.s. to be closer with india, that could be bolstered by jinping and russia deciding to opt out. biden hopes to take advantage of the vacuum left by the two leaders, presenting the u.s. as an economic and strategic counterweight to china and russia as well. nbc's mike memoli is following us for this on the ground. i'm not sure what time it is there, but basically the middle

of the night. >> reporter: i'm not either. >> thanks for joining us. we appreciate you. talk to us about this one-on-one. how did it go? >> reporter: well, you just look at the diplomatic calendar for president biden and his administration this year and you see how much they value the u.s./india relationship. a senior administration official just telling reporters a few moments ago this is perhaps the most consequential bilateral relationship of the 21st century, president biden making this visit now. he, of course, invited prime minister modi to the state just a few months ago. more than a half a dozen this year by biden's cabinet to india and this is obviously one of the most important relationships for the administration leading into a very important summit. you mentioned what is the dominant story line of the g20 summit, the absence of russia's vladimir putin, of china's xi jinping. and from the perspective of biden administration officials, they say on the one hand, this is disappointing, that president

biden has valued these international summits as an opportunity to, of course, with our close allies, but even sometimes with some of our, let's say, geopolitical competitors, demonstrate that there are areas of common ground that they can find to demonstrate that these governments can work for the lives and the betterment of their people. but on the other hand, they value this opportunity to really make the argument president biden has tried to make and really center his foreign policy around, which is that the 21st century is really this conflict between democracies like the u.s. and autocracies like chinese and russia. and i spoke to the u.s. ambassador to india and he said this is really an opportunity for the u.s. the u.s. is demonstrating that we show up time and time again. he said it's a proud moment for the u.s. that we are going to have our leader at the table trying to shape the events, while xi and putin are obviously conspicuously absent. >> important to remind folks, obviously, as this meeting is going on, india is the fifth largest economy in the world,

how integral it is, this relationship here. and then you think about, mike, what's happening here at home. we are inside of a presidential election, president biden neck in neck with the latest polling with former president donald trump, who has been indicted four separate times. certainly something that he has to likely talk through at the summit. how is the president likely to assure folks there during these meetings? >> reporter: it really is a fascinating thing to consider, because when president biden attended the first international summit of his presidency, he said to some of his closest allies at the table, america is back, turning the page from the trump administration. but as biden himself has answered, for how long? some of his counterparts are going to be wondering whether the commitments that president biden is trying to bring to the table at the g20 are commitments

that can be guaranteed for the long term. what we heard from garcetti, from other administration officials we've been talking to, is that obviously politics will play itself out in the u.s., but it's been interesting to see the degree to which the biden campaign has tried to use this summit, the g20 summit to their advantage. they launched a major new television ad featuring foreign policy and specifically president biden's surprise visit to ukraine in february, to make the point that the president is fighting for democracy while the former president and some of the other contenders would potentially reverse and show in the view of the campaign weakness toward dictators. so the president -- and it's not often we've had a campaign in which foreign policy is a major part of the debate, but biden's team is eager to put that forward at this moment. >> mike memoli, who we hope eventually will be able to get some rest, we thank you. police saying there's been yet another sighting of the escaped murderer on the run in pennsylvania. a resident saying they saw

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campaign and a political analyst. vaughn, start us off with the latest news we're hearing. an endorsement coming from the governor, along with a possible audition for the position of vice president. >> reporter: right. let's just deal with the reality that we don't think mike pence is going to get offered that position a second go-around and suddenly deep states are not a question that folks are running away from right now, especially when you see how dominating donald trump is performing, because there's a recognition among some prominent republicans who are not in this presidential race that, yes, nikki haley and fellow governor ron desantis of florida, they may be interesting candidates, attractive candidates, but in four or five months they could be politically almost irrelevant. bring in kristi noem. we talked about her for months as a potential 2024 presidential contender herself.

she declined to enter the race. she will be standing alongside donald trump here in rapid city, south dakota, later tonight. she served eight years in congress as the at-large member of the u.s. house from south dakota before running and winning the governorship here in 2018. she rose to republican favor during covid. she was one of those republican governors, along with the likes of ron desantis, who really created support nationally and attention, despite the relatively small population base here in south dakota. i do want to mention, yasmin, i had conversations with several of the folks here waiting outside for donald trump's arrival and kristi noem's, and there's groups -- ten of them, i asked who they would support to be donald trump's vice presidential pick, just open-ended, and seven out of ten told me the name kari lake, unprompted. just one of them told me kristi noem and just one of them said nikki haley. so kristi noem, there is

actually some criticism of her among some of these trump loyalists, some question just how faithful she would be in the role of vice president. so this is a complicated question that donald trump, if he were to win the republican nomination, would have to face. another gentleman told me, why would he pick kristi noem? he's going to win south dakota, he won it by 25 points in 2020. pick somebody else. the question is, who is that somebody else? kari lake has talked about running for the senate in arizona, kristi noem is a key figure in this because of her prominence and because of her loyalty to donald trump to this point, yasmin. >> matthew dowd, dig into that for me, if you will. throwing in the name kari lake, of course vaughn is going to do that, being an from arizona himself. what do you make of the popularity she has? it's not surprising to hear kristi noem's name thrown around. its something that we have heard

before. she has been a steadfast supporter of him as well. how would that play? >> well, it's interesting, she's sort of the south dakota version of sarah palin in this race when you look at her. it doesn't surprise me that kari lake is more prominent among republicans. she's become a national figure. she says the most outlandish things, as donald trump does, so i think they see kari lake much more like donald trump in the course of this. but i think if donald trump lays his hands on somebody and says this is who i want, the republican primary voters will just completely coalesce around it. speaking politically, her endorsement does help donald trump continue to build momentum, so every time he adds somebody like this, it continues to build momentum. but i discount the geographic nature of when you look at a vice presidential candidate. keep in mind, george w. bush picked dick cheney, who was from

wyoming, and these picks for vp, i think it's smart politically for him to look at a woman. i think that's very smart in this. but it's much more of a signal you send, and less concern about what geography. so i think that's what the consideration is. you no longer have to worry about picking a person to pick up a state. it doesn't work like that when these campaigns become nationalized. >> the former president has staved off every other norm, he didn't show up at the debate. he's got somewhat of a 46 or so percentage point lead ahead of ron desantis. everybody else is in the single digits. do you think, as you're looking at this, matthew, that the former president will likely announce who his vp candidate is even before securing a nomination because it could build that momentum that you're talking about? >> well, i think being the ultimate marketer that he is, i

think he's going to let people go as long as possible before he makes a decision on that. i think he likes to build the momentum. i think it would actually be a mistake on his part to pick early because the only thing you do by picking a vp is offend other people that thought they were the possibility of being vp. i think it would be not surprising if he picks it before a convention next year, so after he's won a few primaries and basically he's going to be the nominee, then i think he can do that. before votes are even cast, i don't think he's that kind of person, he's a showman and likes to keep people waiting. and, two, why offend anybody before you need to? >> why offend anybody before you need to. julie, talk to me about the new reporting. we understand the gop have a lot of uphill battles ahead of the run. one of them is abortion. abortion rights are incredibly popular in this country, 70% of americans believe american women should have access to abortions.

republicans recognize that and it didn't bode well for them in the midterms. you have some new reporting in the repurposing, new terminology, and no longer wanting to use, it seems, the term pro-life as they head into 2024. >> exactly. while we're talking about kristi noem, south dakota, she signed one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country, not having exceptions for rape or incest, only the life of the mother. why that's so interesting is because in my conversations with senate republicans who received this briefing by a top fundraising ally of mcconnell, of the minority leader during a closed-door lunch this week, they were talking about how the term pro-life might not resonate with voters the way it used to. josh hawley who comes from missouri, another state that has one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country, he told me people now think the term pro-life means no exceptions for abortions ever, and it just goes to show you the disconnect we're seeing at the

state legislature level and at the federal level, with republicans depending on which of them you talk to, which groups you talk to, they are still not clear on how to message on this issue. we reported on this exclusively overnight, democrats already pouncing on this. they're saying it doesn't matter what you call being anti-abortion, for example, the white house, andrew bates chiming in. they said no matter what you call it, it still means they are anti-abortion, and democrats are certainly pouncing on this new strategy from some republicans. but still some republicans themselves are not happy with this strategy they're going with. nancy mace telling me this morning they have not gotten together on this issue and clearly an overwhelming amount of americans, 61%, do support reproductive rights. >> matthew dowd, i see you reacting over there. >> i think this is such a classic mistake. it's as if the marketing is the

problem and not the product. it's like saying the etzel failed because they didn't have the right name. let's come up with a different name for the etzel, and therefore it will sell. the problem is the product, and until they look at the product, which is vastly out of step with the american public, they're not going to be the able to sell it if they come up with a new name. >> thank you. a wild scene at the u.s. open. protesters stopping an all-star match for nearly an hour. you are watching msnbc.

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welcome back. a federal appeals court has sided with texas temporarily allowing the roughly 1,000 foot buoy barrier floating in the rio grande to stay for now. the new order was issued by a three-judge panel on the 5th circuit court of appeals, contradicting an earlier order that required the state of texas to remove the barrier by text week. the controversial buoys are meant to discourage illegal crossings. i want to turn to the atlantic where hurricane lee is churning as a category 4 hurricane. the current trajectory has it turning the monster storm away from the atlantic coast, but that intense weather could still impact coastal cities next week. bill karins is standing by for us with more on this. you mentioned this thing to me,

i believe, late last week, that it was forming. >> it's going to take forever. >> what are we looking at here? >> a huge storm that no one wants to deal with. we would love for this to be impressive on satellite imagery and be a problem for the cruise lines having to go around it but that's about it. we haven't ruled out direct impacts in areas like new england and our friends in bermuda. that's the threat areas. that's the areas of concern. we're confident that the islands and all of those areas, including the virgin islands, puerto rico, you're only going to get large waves. i don't think you're going to get any rain from this storm. it's too far to the north. it will stay a major hurricane, between a category 3 and 5 over the next five days. so almost next week at this time, we can still be sitting here saying, all right, looks like now we're finally going to talk where it's heading. the computer lines we'll be following closely, this is through seven days, each of the

end points is seven days from now. bermuda's threat is six days from now, next thursday. obviously the further away we get, the less accurate it gets. the day one forecast is like 90% accurate, and seven days it's like 50% accurate. these lines are shift and move a little. we also have computers that go out ten days and this is getting way out there, but all of these red lines show potential paths for lee as we go through the end of next week, mostly friday into saturday. you notice a couple of them cut over cape cod, into maine. a bunch of them going into the maritime. a few of them drift to the south. that's the american model. the european model is the blue one, different lines, and you notice the same theme, the canadian maritime is definitely the biggest threat. this would be a major hurricane, likely a category 1 or 2 hurricane, but if that was near cape cod or nova scotia, that would be a big deal for that

region. >> other thing we're dealing with, this oppressive heat. >> it's been so gross. >> so terrible. >> it's finally ending, but usually you have to get rid of the humid air with a cold front and that usually means thunderstorms. anyone traveling, especially on the i-95 corridor, this afternoon, this evening, you could easily be caught in thunderstorms that are going to be like a monsoon and airport delays, too. 51 million people at risk. not everyone is going to get thunderstorms, but there's going to be a good coverage. you'll see it flashing in the sky. there's a lot of friday night football games that are going to worry about getting canceled. the heat advisory in new york will be dropped today. texas, i'm sorry, it continues on and on. let's see how gross it is right now. central park, new york, 97 degrees if you step outside in the beautiful park. it's actually cooler in jacksonville, florida, right now. our friends in dallas and houston take the cake. 107. >> that is oppressive. if you didn't know, bill karins

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welcome back. as kids head back to class, the nation's biggest school district is facing a monumental challenge of educating a growing influx of migrant children seeking asylum. ron allen has more. >> reporter: students and teachers in the largest school system are starting the year with a new challenge -- migrant children like this third grader entering u.s. classrooms for the first time. [ speaking in a non-english language ] "i do feel excited," he says, admitting he's nervous, well. overall some 20,000 children from migrant families are attending city schools. part of what mayor eric adams has called a crisis overwhelming new york. more than 110,000 new arrivals in need of food, housing, and education. >> we're getting no support on this national crisis. >> reporter: and he says more migrants keep arriving. as many as 10,000 every month. many bussed from other states or making their own way here. the democratic mayor accusing the biden administration of

failing to act. >> i don't see an ending to this. this issue will destroy new york city. >> reporter: in response, the biden administration saying, "it has worked closely with new york officials providing more than $140 million in aid this year," add, "only congress can reform our broken immigration system and provide additional resources to communities across the country." republicans pouncing on the mayor's criticism. >> all of them are discovering suddenly the burdens of joe biden's open borders and illegal immigration. >> reporter: it's not just new york. cities nationwide are buckling under the pressure of asylum seekers. meanwhile, overnight a u.s. appeals court granteding a temporary stay allowing texas to keep controversial buoys in place on the rio grande between the texas-mexico border. governor greg abbott has argued the buoys deter illegal crossings, while hitt critics raise humanitarian concerns saying they can lead to drownings. in new york city, the arrival of so many school-aged migrant students is a conflicting issue

for many parents. that concern you? >> not really. i'm an immigrant myself. >> i want my tax dollars to go toward my kids, but the softer side of me feels bad for these kids. you know, it's not their problem. >> reporter: ron allen, nbc news. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. at this hour, everybody, breaking news. the long-awaited report from the fulton county special grand jury drops with a bombshell. they thought even more people should have been charged including current and former senators lindsey graham, kelly lefler, and david perdue. also breaking, a former philadelphia police officer who shot and killed a man seconds after pulling up next to his car has just been charged with murder. the video that led to his arrest. and overseas, a rac