this is the katie phang show. live from miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover, lots of questions to answer, let's get started. vital visit after wrapping up the g20 summit, president biden arrived in vietnam this morning as part of his efforts to bolster u.s. ties with china's neighbors. he's expected to hold a news conference in just a few minutes. we'll have a live report from the presidents critical journey. misery in morocco, the death toll now topping 2000 after the country's most powerful earthquake in more than a century.

we have the latest on the devastation, and the race against time to find survivors in the rubble. face-off in fulton county. a look at what's next for donald trump's election interference case and georgia, and how d.a., fani willis, is on a winning streak against the twice impeached, quadruple indicted, disgraced, one term ex president, and his friends. all this and more is coming up. >> a good sunday morning to you all. i'm katie phang. we begin this morning with the latest on the catastrophic, 6.8 magnitude earthquake and morocco. as of this morning, officials report more than 2000 people are dead, and more than 1400 are injured, and remain in critical condition. this is the most powerful quake to hit the area and marrakech and more than 120 years, according to the u.s.

geological survey. while rescue teams struggle to reach affected areas blocked by debris, president biden says the united states stands ready to provide assistance with relief and recovery efforts. nbc's raf sanchez has more details. >> we are in the mountain village of malay where about 30 miles east of the epicenter here, throughout this village, you can see homes that are either completely destroyed, or, or like the one behind me, partially collapsed, and danger of total collapse, no longer safe for families still live in. this village was home to about 3000 people, but locals say that's some were killed on friday in the first hours of the quick. that means 1% of the population here lost their lives. they are part of a growing natural death toll that has now crept up to 2000. the rescue effort is fiendishly complicated. the devastation is not concentrated in one area, it is

spread through bill global goals like this. then it rose to get here or windy, narrow, treacherous. in some places, they are blocked by boulders. the rescue efforts continue nonetheless, we are seeing professional rescue teams here, we are also seeing local volunteers digging their neighbors out from underneath the rubble. yesterday, one person was found alive under the remains of a house, that is giving people hope that there may be more survivors. we are still in the middle of that so-called golden wind out, that 72-hour period where you have the best chance of finding people alive. meanwhile, there are thousands still sleeping in the streets in the view villages, but also major cities like america, ash casa blanca. either because their homes have collapsed, or they fear they might. among them by some american tourists. the u.s. embassy is saying they do not, at this time, have any reports of americans killed,

although there are some reports of americans injured. back to you. >> ralph sanchez, thank you for that report. and more news from overseas, president biden arrived in hanoi, vietnam, earlier this morning after a high stakes g20 summit in new delhi, india. he is expected to hold a press conference, shortly and we'll bring that to you live. first, let's talk more about the presidents visit to vietnam what's on the line. joining me, now nbc news correspondent. janice, good morning, thanks for joining us. what's on president biden's agenda for today? >> katie, this visit is all about upgrading relations with vietnam. what they call a comprehensive strategic partnership. this is despite concerns they have here, as well as vietnam is warning ties with russia. publicly, we'll see the discussions focus on semiconductors and critical minerals, with more u.s. were

presented as moving a manufacturing here. also, militarily, with growing, regional friction over china's claims for most of the south china sea. >> janice, how important is the timing of this visit by president biden to vietnam specifically at this time? >> well, there are historical complexities as we know. they run quite deep here. even today, there were reports that vietnam is in talks with russia over a new supply deal. this could trigger u.s. exams at a time when the u.s. is looking to elevate its relationship. u.s. officials say they are similar talks happening with vietnam. they have no arms deals to announce yet. they say that the idea is to have the u.s. convince vietnam that it can help them diversify

away from russia's military survives, and lessen their dependence on moscow. all of this is tricky diplomatic territory for vietnam, because it's trying to keep things study with all the superpowers. it's unclear how china is going to react to this visit. jing penn is expected to visit here in the coming weeks, and already, russian offense officials have had talks here. but the u.s. delegation, there will be a focus on semiconductors, critical minerals. there are tech executives that will join the meetings. all of this is part of an effort to try to win over one of china's neighbors into a closer relationship with the united states. >> janice, as we noted, the president just india wrapping up a high stakes g20 summit. very interesting background on the declaration that joint declaration that came. out what was, in your opinion, the biggest take away from his trip to the summit? >> well, this statement was

remarkable not for what it's sad, but for what it lacked. that was open condemnation of russia for the war in ukraine. some see it as the host nation, india, trying to sidestep any criticism of russia and china. both of the leaders chose to not attend the g20 summit. u.s. officials say that having president biden there, were still important. they were able to build on past agreements, past relationships. they also announced a new rail corridor deal to link europe with the middle east. there are no details on cost, on time. u.s. officials are holding this up as an example of how the summit is worthwhile endeavor. >> johannes, thank you for joining us live. i appreciate it. again, in just moments, we do have president biden who is set to speak in honeoye, vietnam. we will bring you those comments, live, when it

happens. first, motion denied. mark meadows's bid to get his georgia cases moved to federal court shot down in court this week. why the former chief of staff's latest legal loss could be worse news for donald trump. we've got a lot more of the katie phang show ahead, so don't go anywhere. go anywhere. >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy. >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks. and we'll come to you with a replacement you can trust. >> man: looks great. >> tech: that's service on your time. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ this isn't charmin! no wonder i don't feel as clean. hurry up dad! i'm trying! this cheap stuff is too thin! here's charmin ultra strong! ahhh! my bottom's been saved! woohoo! with its diamond weave texture, charmin ultra strong cleans better with fewer sheets and less effort. what's everybody waiting for? this? we all go, why not enjoy the go with charmin. and for a shower-fresh clean feeling

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interested in the georgia interference case after several blockbuster developments. on friday, steve jones issue -- mark meadows would have to face trial in fulton county state court after his efforts to remove the charges to federal court. the judge saying, quote, meadows cannot have acted in his role is a federal officer with respect to any efforts to influence, interfere with, disrupt, oversee, or change state elections. those activities are expressly

delegated to the states. meadows has since filed a peel, but the really just bad news for any codefendant federal official who is hoping to avoid d.a., fani willis. including former president donald trump. speaking of avoiding d.a. fani willis's prosecution, a grand jury report was unveiled. it reveals a wide array of trump allies who were not indicted despite recommendations from the special grand jurors. the sprawling list included top republican names like senator lindsey graham, former senator david perdue and kelly loeffler, trump's former national security adviser, michael flynn, interim quarterback lawyer, for us epstein. joining me now, legal analyst for the host of the justice meadows podcast, glenn, let's start with that denial of the mark meadows attempts to move to federal court. by now, we've had time to digest it more. we know that meadows cannot

have his case removed in federal court, he's going to remain state court. we do have major hearings coming up a 19 and 9:20. september 18th and 20th. those are for the four remaining defendants who have already filed or notices of removal. one of which is jeff clark, a former u.s. attorney, and attorney general. the remaining three are georgia fake electors. what are your, thoughts glenn, about how things will turn out for those defendants. >> the ruling in the meadows case is pretty ominous, katie, for everybody else who's trying to get their cases transferred from georgia state court to federal court. i think meadows had the best shot, even though he really had very little shot in getting they cased transferred. really, none of what he did was within the scope of his official duties as chief of staff, and judge jones pretty

directly and definitively told meadows that in his ruling. let's start with the fake, electors they are not federal officials, no matter what they try to say to the contrary. really, their motions should be summarily denied. there is a hearing and judge jones will probably go through the motions. those will almost certainly be denied. jeff clark, i think he has less of a shot the meadows had, because what he dead, as they hide the oj official, was corrupt and weaponize the department of justice trying to overturn the georgia state election results. i don't think he has any shot at all. of course, donald trump hasn't even filed the motion to transfer yet, although he did file a motion saying i'm file a motion to transfer. i'm sure judge mcafee said thank you very much, i'm here from you when you've actually given notice that you're going to trial. >> glad, and put your strategic

criminal defense hat on right now, and tell me about this if you're representing any of those four defendants that have already filed or notices of removal. considering the fact that mark meadows had to, under oath, under penalties of perjury, testify as to the nature of his criminal conduct in his efforts to remove, considering the outcome, frankly, a judge jose no dice, would you advise your clients to maybe withdraw their notices of removal, to not go through an evidentiary hearing? they're locked into the testimony and earth. >> you jumped right to the advice that i would give, even a defense is very uncomfortable, it makes my scalp itch. as a defense attorney. you're right, katie. not only would i say it's time to withdraw your motion, your attempt to have your case transferred to federal court, it's time to cut a deal. i mean, many of these fake electors have already gone on record as saying, we were accepting at donald trump's

direction. that's perfectly positions them to be cooperating with the witnesses. >> glenn, before we move on to the special grand jury report, i wanted to kind of give a little bit of oxygen to this concept. on page 28 at the page 29, footnote 12. you don't have to have it in front of you. the footnote is by judge jones. he made very careful language stating that because mark meadows testified, that he did put his credibility on the line, because joining evidentiary hearing, the trial court judge, because it's in front of the judge only, asked to make some determination as to whether or not to give way to certain evidence. judge jones made sure to put in the footnote. he was not pining on the truth worthiness of mark meadows, but he had to get the evidence given by mark meadows to his testimony the appropriate weight. explain to our jurors what that means. does it mean judge jones said i

didn't believe mark meadows, or as a judge and saying, considering all of the evidence presented by the defense, because it was their burden, i gave mark meadows his testimony the perfect weight. >> there are two ways to look at, it we can conclude that judge jones just thought mark meadows didn't carry's burden, but i think that the stronger inference is that judge jones didn't believe mark meadows. it wasn't hard to conclude that mark meadows was not being straight when he was testifying under oath, one, for example, he testified that i had nothing to do with the alternate electors scheme. the fake elector scheme. then he was cross-examined with some of his own written communications when somebody urged him to get involved in the alternate electors scheme. what did mark meadows say in writing? on that, as of yesterday, there are two conclusions to draw. one, he was lying under oath, or, he was lying in his own

private emails and text messages to his friends. this is the more likely inference to be drawn there. >> glenn, quickly, before we go to a quick break, and we have the pleasure in the privilege of having you after that break, does meadows now, before speaking to state court, and considering the lay of the land, is he more incentivized to want to cooperate with fani willis? what do you think it's a little too early for him? >> you know, there's never a bad time to enter into a cooperation agreement. the sooner you enter into it, like the indictment, the more benefit you are likely to get from the prosecutors. as far as i was concerned, when i was prosecuting, i would always take cooperation regardless of which stage it came at. michael was to hold everybody who was a member of the conspiracy accountable, especially the bigger criminal fish. it would be the perfect time

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bear accuse because of perceived conflict of interest in her prosecuting ham, or investigating him, because she had backed a fund-raiser for one for jones's opponents for that scene. talk to, us glenn, about this idea of the pending appointment of a special prosecutor. how does that work? does the special prosecutor get the same access to evidence, et cetera? is that the same process going to a grand jury, how does it work when it comes as special prosecutors? >> that's a great question, and it doesn't happen all that often, and even sometimes, prosecutors have a conflict, they have to remove themselves, or recuse themselves from investigation. ordinarily, what will happen, we will kind of blow off the prosecutor who was recused from the case, from a team of prosecutors who will basically look at all of the avoidance and new with fresh eyes, to make sure that there can be no, not only --

but no perception of tape. no spillover from the original prosecutor been involved. it doesn't mean a prosecution can't ultimately be brought, it means that if a prosecution will be brought, it needs to be brought by a team of prosecutors who have absolutely no conflict, no potential dog in the fight. that way the public can have confidence in the reliability, and the legitimacy of any ultimate prosecution. >> let's talk about an outlier that actually did get indicted, one of those 19 codefendants. his name never showed up in the grand jury, that's mike roman. what happens if a special grand jury's take of action in the terms of these witnesses, look at turns, et cetera, recommend these charges, and the names of people they recommend to be charged. then fani willis as a separate grand jury, who makes the presentation with only about

nine witnesses in the span of less than 24 hours. we'll get these bills returned. what doesn't mean that you have somebody who made it to that indictment whose name doesn't even appear in the special grand jury? >> what an interesting developments. i see three possibilities, katie, with respect to all of these people, but especially the grand jury said, you know, what there is enough evidence to charge, them but we haven't seen charges for them yet. here are three possibilities. one, they may be cooperating, so there was no need to charge them. then of course, there are 30 coconspirators in that r.i.c.o. indictment. this was handed down by the georgia grand jury. any number of these that the grand jury suggested could be charged decided to participate as unindicted coconspirators. maybe the d.a. willis decided there was insufficient evidence, because in a grand jury finds probable cause to indict, the

prosecutor still has to assess the evidence and decide whether there is a reasonable likelihood of success on the merits. that means, a conviction should you decide to take the case to trial. maybe fani willis decided that she couldn't meet that burden. here's the outlier, katie. these people, who were named for the indictment, but we haven't seen them show up in an indictment yet, they could be indicted in the future. think about the jack smith's indictment that was handed down in washington, d.c.. there are six pretty important, unnamed, but pretty well identified coconspirators. i had in every expectation that we will see a second wave of indictments in washington, d.c.. thus far, those unindicted coconspirators. so it could be that fani willis is not yet done indicted people in georgia. >> the indictment extravaganza may not be over, according to unquestionable, glenn, i always

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front row seat to the rise in antisemitism, i want to warn you that some of the video we're about to show you is disturbing. last, week several neo-nazi groups got that and the atlanta area on a bridge over the interstates, and outside it disney springs, which is disney world. shouting antisemitic and white supremacist messaging. that same day, just north of orlando, democratic state representative, ana eskamani, captured video of one of these extremist groups marching and chanting, quote, we are everywhere. these rallies are just part of an ever escalating surge of hate in antisemitism in florida. the gunman and last month's racist shooting and jacksonville had swastikas sean on his assault style rifle. last week, at the u.s. open in

new york, -- was interrupted by a fan singing and not seesawing specifically the song of hitler during a match. a report by the anti-defamation league found that in 2022, antisemitic incidents in the united states rose 36%. an all-time high. american exceptionalism. joining me, now jonathan greenblatt, ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. jonathan, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show, although why we have you on is always so dim troubling to me, because it doesn't look like it's getting any better, frankly. 36%, that number is not only astounding, but discuss stain. what kind of environment is allowing such hatred in antisemitism to thrive in florida, especially in a state like florida? >> really a napoleon situation, katie. over the past decade, we have seen the number of antisemitic incidents reach record highs in

2019, 2021, and then last year in 2022. literally the total is more than 500% greater than it was just ten years ago. we are talking about rises in harassment, in vandalism, violence. we know that this is adl because we are the oldest -- in the country. we track this through our offices every single year. we've been doing it for decades. why are we at this point? well i think number one, it has become weaponized in the political sphere. you can turn on your television, open your phone, without hearing some politician use antisemitic remarks, or racism, or other ugly terms to demean their opponents, or to denigrate the other. the other supporters. i think secondly, extremists feel emboldened. we've seen that loudly, and proudly, and there, words in florida in the past few weeks. i mean,, katie this is a new in florida. in the last, let's, say january

20 to august 22, we had more than 400 white supremacist propaganda incidents in florida. florida is the home to horrible groups. not only the ones who marched last week, the defense, leave blood tribe, the order of the black sun. we have sunshine state nationalists. we have the white lives matter network. we have not social florida. they are all, you know, ugly, hate full organizations. and networks. they are actually flourishing in florida. then let's not forget the fact that social media is a superspreader of antisemitism and extremism, and hateable kinds. you've got raging white supremacist, you've got hardened anti-zion us, you've got armed militia members who are using social media to amplify, and to expand their impact. >> jonathan, let's speak frankly then about why florida

seems to be a beacon for these hate groups. the rallies that we just showed at the introduction to your interview, they're becoming a new monthly occurrence in the state. in june, for example, there were people waving neo-nazi signs along sign supporting governor ron desantis, protesting us at disney world. the governor's office reportedly have not given any public response, or mention of the events. why, jonathan, is someone like ron desantis not publicly denouncing these rallies? >> it's really bewildering and depressing. look, rhonda's antis's ivy league educated individual. he has, again, like the best education you can imagine. anyone who knows their history knows that when you don't call out hate, it gets a foothold, and it spreads. so it's hard to understand why he thinks that it's in his interests. i'll be honest, these hate

groups are not unique to florida. what we need from politicians on the, like ron desantis, others in the, you know, race, and people on both parties, because neither side of the spectrum is exempt from this. what we need, katie, are clear, consistent call outs of hate. no matter when it happens, even if you think that these people may somehow support you. i think this has warped. and the end, antisemitism and hey tool consume us all. we saw that in jacksonville, katie. they spent friday in jacksonville, at the funeral for one of the victims of a hate crime shooting the prior week. let me tell you, it was a stark reminder of the pain, the suffering that is stereotyping, and bigotry can cause. >> your organization is called the anti-defamation league. perhaps to some people that don't know, it's not just an

organization that is trying to combat antisemitism. it's to combat all types of hate and extremism. currently, in a battle with the, quote, we're just men in the, world elon musk, threatening to sue the atl for a billion dollars, bizarrely, and my legal opinion, blaming, at the atl, for twitter 60% drop in advertising revenue. there are a number, jonathan, of bad business decisions made since elon musk purchased twitter about a year ago. that could be to blame for that drop in profitability. why do you think muskets targeting your group specifically? >> i'll leave it to you to figure out why he's running his business this way. i'll simply say, the technique of blaming the jews is as old as time itself. i mean, they described antisemitism as the oldest hatred because it's been around for so long. make no mistake, atl, jonathan,

i didn't call him an anti-semitic, calls platform antisemitic. not only are we not calling for businesses to boycott twitter, adl itself was spending money on twitter until this whole debacle began, so the notion that we're trying to kill twitter is in itself defamatory. it's playing down, because the facts don't support that, katie. i'll tell you what the facts to support, twitter has a problem with antisemites and racists, and white supremacist on the platform. if you don't have to take my word for it, just search, hashtag banned the atl. you can see it for yourself at their permitting. i don't know if you know this, but yesterday, lindy ocarina, the new ceo, announced a twitter has a new policy on antisemitism. i believe this is laudable. i'm excited to see how they enforce it. when they get it right, will embrace them. when they get it wrong, and they've gotten it wrong for a long time, we reserve the right

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kind of track record, gop voters would be swooning at the thought of making america florida. the twice impeached, quadruple indicted, disgraced one term vice president still holds a commanding lead and the polls. with florida governor, ron desantis, consistently trails at a distant second. this shows that republican voters are just not ready to desantis. joining us now, msnbc strategist and house committee spokesperson for the republicans. thanks for the next installment of i'm just not that into you either,. last week we looked at one -- let's start with ron desantis. the first topic is abortion. desantis is gunning for that six-week abortion ban that he got past here, telling us that men should be providing financial support to pregnant women from the moment of conception because, quote, most women don't want to have abortions. kurt, tell us why desantis, on a national level, might be such a disaster in what is already a

disastrous abortion stance. >> yeah, i mean, it would be disastrous for women in america, but really, this is a disastrous platform for the republican party. let's be very clear here. the republican party extreme up position that women's rights in america is completely out of the mainstream with not just democrats, not just with independents, but a lot of republican voters as well, frankly. this is why, when republicans lurch this fall to the extreme, they end up just stepping on themselves, and putting themselves in political peril. every data point that we've seen since roe v. wade was compromised, as shown is that this is a losing issue for republicans. a midterm election that should've been a massive red wave given where the economy was at the time, given the presidents current approval ratings, they should've had a 20, 30 seat majority. because the impact of roe v. wade, they barely got through a majority. the biggest majority in my lifetime, at least.

they lost the seat and senate, they gave political oxygen to democrats in a vulnerable position, and the fact that they're looking at 2024, katie, saying, you know, at let's run that back. let's do that one more time and see if it gets any better. after what we've seen in places with very red states, republicans have gone upside down on this. they keep doing the same things. for ron desantis to think this is the path to overtake donald trump, to get further to the right, if that's even possible, of donald trump to the abortion issue, it's not going to work. it's just a stunt. apparently no one in america wants to make america florida. >> let me be on record by saying if you're going to force women to have kids, you better give them financial support. maybe ron desantis will be the first to come for that. let's switch gears and talk about the fact that just a few days ago, a federal judge is telling round is and is that his, desantis's version of congressional map here in florida, quote, diminish black voters ability to elect their candidate of choice. further advancing the gop agenda, kurt, of

disenfranchising minority voters, especially black voters. why should americans not want to sentence in the white house? >> well, let's be very clear that not just with ronda sanders in florida, we're seeing this now all across the country. the republican -- is to try to do everything they can to make it harder for communities of color, minorities, to franchise voters, to participate in the democratic process. they know that when the plane failed as level, they're simply more of us than there are them. we've seen all the reports from the u.s. census bureau that the very near future, we are going to be a majority, a minority country. there's going to be a majority of non white people compared to white people for the first time. that terrifies the republican party. the kryptonite for the republican party is our diversity, so we're going to do everything they can to suppress voter participation in america, because if the numbers are, fair if the process is fair, they know that they have no path to hold on to political power. that is what's driving this

entire republican party platform, and been antidemocratic. >> curt, finally, if there was any reason to not support rhonda sanchez, it's the fact that he has not going to win. i'm not a gop, are but i know from the gop, desantis campaign official is telling the media that a, quote, strong second place showing in iowa is a good thing. i'm going to invoke talladega nights, ricky bobby. your first, your last. so big dollar donors are ditching to santas that this time. kurt, why is ron desantis just as bad for america as donald trump? >> well, i'll tell you, this is one thing about voter is. i'm not sure which is worse. voters can tell when you are not authentic, we are trying to run as a knock off of someone. elsewhere on desantis is just a poor mans donald trump. he shrine all that he can to emulate him make donald trump in his style, his brand of device politics.

he's not the real thing. the real thing is still in the ranks. is not going to work. that's what republican voters have pretty much rejected foreign desantis. the idea that this guy, who is going to be the anti trump, not trump alternative for republicans, is laughable. the fact that he's gone around trying to convince people,, hey hopefully i can finish second. that's a really tough proposition to make. who's damoff to write that? you, know it's like if you're going to try to beat the real thing in donald trump, you've got to be something different. he is proving to everyone that he's not up for this fight. >> that's why desantis is not going after donald trump like others should be doing. kurt, you brought up one of my favorites say, is that your better to be a first read version of yourself than a second white versus someone else. you are an original. thanks for joining me today, i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> so the white house situation room is actually undergoing a big overhaul for the first time in 15 years. nbc news correspondent, monica

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