>> good morning to you, it is sunday september the 10th. i'm ali velshi. we begin today with the latest hour of morocco, where at least 2012 people are dead. more than 2000 injured, following that devastating 6.8 magnitude earthquake. it struck in the moroccan high atlas mountain range, about 46 miles southeast of the city of marrakesh. late friday night. i want to go straight to nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez, who has made his way to morocco. he joins me now from just outside of marrakech, in morocco. row, what's the latest in the search, and of course continuing rescue efforts, because they're hoping that they're still going to find more people alive. >> they are hoping that, ali.

we are in -- this is a mountain village, we're about 30 miles east of the epicenter. and throughout this village, ali, there are houses completely destroyed and there are some like this one you can see behind me, partially collapsed, in danger of falling down. the family who lives here has spent two nights on the street, because they do not know if they can go back into that building, whether the roof is going to come down at them at any time. this is a village of 3000 people, the locals tell us at least 40 have been killed in the quake. so ali, that is more than 1% of the population that have lost their lives here. among them, is the wife and the two daughters of a man we met a little earlier deeper in the town. he was at the graveyard, saying he doesn't know what he's going to live for anymore, having lost his family. they are part of a growing national death toll, as you said, that cracked above 2000 earlier on today.

and, ali, the rescue effort is treacherously complicated. the destruction is not concentrated in one area, instead it is spread through rural villages like this. and to get to them, you have to pass as we did earlier today, through winding, narrow roads. many of which are blocked by boulders, by rockslides. and yet for all of that, the rescue operation continues. we have been seeing professional rescue teams here, turkish and italian teams, but ali, many of the people here are just locals. they are by hand, by patient hand, sifting through the rubble. trying to save the lives of their neighbors. we are still in what's known as that golden window, the 72-hour period when rescuers say they have the best chance of saving people. and yesterday, here, they actually did succeed in pulling one person out from underneath the rubble of the house. that is giving them hope that there may be more survivors. the thing they say they need

most is heavy equipment. both to clear the roads and to clear the rubble. it is a very difficult, the moroccan government is doing everything they can. one thing they're trying is getting helicopters up here to the mountains to safely evacuate those people who have been pulled out from underneath the rubble. meanwhile, not just here in the villages but in the major cities, in marrakesh and casablanca, you have tens of thousands of people who are sleeping on the streets. either because their homes are damaged, or because they fear that their homes could collapse. among them are a number of tourists, marrakesh is a world famous tourist destination. there are americans among them. we spoke to a young man from portland who spent one night on the street earlier. ali, the u.s. embassy says there are no reports at this time of any americans killed, but they do say there are a number of americans injured. international rescue teams are

arriving from all corners at the moment. one team from qatar, one team from spain arrived earlier on today. elie, i can tell you, in rural places like this, it is going to be years if not decades before they recover. >> all right, raf, i'm glad you're there. thank you, stay on it for us and we'll come back to you. rough centers in morocco, we'll check back with him later in the hour. let's turn to the latest in domestic politics. by olympian's is, this seemed like another ordinary weekend during election season, with presidential candidates hitting the campaign trail and making the rounds at early campaign states. but a fast-moving effort to bring into play one small clause in the constitution threatens to completely up end the race for the republican nomination. and, quite possibly, knock out the front runner. the twice impeached multi indicted insurrectionist former president donald trump, one month ago, the idea that section three of the 14th amendment could disqualify trump from holding public office again was mostly conjecture.

something mainly debated among the inner circles of legal scholars. but a paper published this summer by michael stokes, a pair of prominent conservative law professors and members of the federalist society, brought a new spark to the conversation. that paper quickly prompted two of the most revered legal minds of our time, the harvard university professor emeritus colleague lawrence tribe, and the retired judge -- to write a widely read piece for the atlantic, titled the constitution prohibits trump from ever being president again. professor tribe and the judge appeared on this show at the time of that articles publication to discuss how section three of the 14th amendment is so-called, self executed. and that due to his role in the january 6th insurrection, trump is ineligible to hold public office. their interest meant of the idea gave the movement a jolt of momentum, and now, less than a month after their piece was published, a lawsuit has been

filed in the state of colorado by the government watchdog group crew, on behalf of six republican and unaffiliated voters, challenging trump's eligibility for the presidency. this might be the strongest case to emerge so far that could eventually force the courts to determine whether or not the former president is allowed to appear on the ballot for the upcoming presidential elections and primaries. and perhaps more importantly, it will force the courts to clarify the meaning of section three of the 14th amendment, also known as the disqualification clause, which states, quote, no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and vice president, or hold any office, civil or military, under the united states or under any state who, having previously taken an oath to support the constitution of the united states, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or

given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. now, that's the liberal reading of it. but the exact meaning of the disqualification clause and how it can be applied in real life has largely been untested for the past 150 years, simply because there hasn't been an insurrection or anything resembling one in the united states during that period. that is, until donald trump came along and brought american democracy to the brink of collapse in his desperate attempt to stay in power. as recently as this past may, trump has vowed to pardon a large portion of convicted january 6th rioters, if he is elected president again. and in june, he even spoke at a fund-raiser for january 6th defendants, which was held at his own golf club in bedminster, new jersey, and promised to make a contribution to their legal fund. now, reasonable minds have reasonably concluded that trump himself, in sight of the

january 6th insurrection, but there isn't a lot of legal precedent that can tell us definitively if the courts will undoubtedly get this case, will interpret it the same way. so, let's go right to the brains of the operation. joining me now is one of the legal scholars who helped bring this question to the forefront, this election season. lawrence tribe is a professor of constitutional law emeritus at harvard university. he's the author of several important books, including the influential legal text american constitutional law, which has been cited more often than any other legal text. professor tribe, it is good to see you again. thank you for being with us. this is a continuing conversation between us, because there is a great deal of complexity and a lot of movement and it. so, i want to ask you first of all, in a post on what used to be known as twitter, you wrote that the colorado lawsuit is, quote, the strongest of the suits filed to compel secretaries of state to apply the 14th amendment disqualification clause to trump. the six plaintiffs clearly have

standing under colorado law and ironclad legal and factual research backs up their complaint, and quote. tell me why you believe this case is strong and stands apart from others? >> thank you for inviting me back. it's an honor to be on your show. i think it's the strongest because the elaborate complaint explains that they don't expect and your statement of opinion about trump's disqualification to remove him. what they are asking the court to do, the state court, where these plaintiffs clearly do have standing under a colorado law, is to conduct factual and legal hearings, involving all of the evidence that many of us have seen and some have not -- >> professor, i need to interrupt you. i'm very sorry about this, professor tribe. the president has just started speaking.

let's drop into hanoi where president biden is addressing the crowd. >> -- my administration and the previous secretary of state, who is here with me today, is working with american officials on long distance. working expeditiously to ensure american citizens in morocco are safe, standing ready to provide any necessary assistance to the moroccan people from -- now, i'll tell you the important visit here in vietnam. as the secretary night just shared earlier today, this trip has been a historic moment. today we can face 50-year arc of progress in the relationship between our nations, from conflict to normalization. this new elevated status will be a force for prosperity and security, when and one of the most consequential reasons in the world. our cooperation directly to vietnamese highest tier of

partnership when referred to as the comprehensive strategic partnership. the united states have strengthened our ties with another critical indo-pacific partner. our progress today goes on -- with japan and the united states. commerce is teasing partnership -- the engagement with pacific island -- are strength and alliances with the philippines and the partnership with australia and the united kingdom, are elevated engagement with india, our strategy in japan, and the end of pacific economic framework for prosperity. and all the efforts we've advanced from day one of my administration to demonstrate to our and oh pacific partners and to the world the united states is a pacific nation. and we are not going anywhere. now, let me also speak to significant business we got done in india during the g20

summit. this was an important moment for the united states to demonstrate our little reassure, and our commitment to challenges that matter most to people around the world. investing in inclusive growth and sustainable development. addressing the climate crisis, strengthening food security and education. advancing global health and health security. we showed up ready to work, and we showed the world that the united states is a partner with a positive vision for our shared future. as the g20, at the g20, we made progress on issues like multilateral development, bank reform to get to those nations that couldn't qualify before. debt relief, and infrastructure needs. not only in the global south but other parts of the world as well. we forged a groundbreaking new partnership with them -- that will connect india to europe with the middle east and israel, with transportation by rail and by shipment through an

energy supplies and digital connections that are going to open up untold opportunities for transformative economic investment on that entire -- we have also discussed russia's brutal and illegal war in ukraine. there was sufficient agreements in the room on the need for just and lasting peace that upholds the principles of the charter, and respect sovereignty and territorial integrity. i want to once again think prime minister modi for his leadership and his hospitality in hosting the g20. hammon i have had substantial discussions about how we are going to continue to strengthen the partnership between india and the united states. building on the prime ministers visits to the white house last june. and as i always do, i raise the important issue of respecting human rights, and the vital roar role of -- restoring a prosperous country with mr. modi. and we've got a lot of important work done, and i'm looking forward to another good

day tomorrow here in vietnam. and now, i will take your questions. >> they told me they gave me five people here. pierre -- reuters. >> hi, thank you for taking my question, mister president. hi. last week, china questioned the sincerity of the biden administration. >> i'm sorry, the what? >> the sincerity. >> the sincerity of the biden administration? >> of the biden administration. and accused the united states of containing china, while pushing for diplomatic ties. how would you respond to that, and do you think president xi is being sincere about getting the relationship back on track as he bans apple in china? >> look, first of all, the, i am sincere

about getting the relationship right. one of the things that's going on now is china's beginning to change some of the rules of the game in terms of trade and other issues. so, one of the things we talked about, for example, now talking about making sure no chinese, no one in the chinese government can use a western cell phone, those kinds of things. so, what this trip is about, it's less about containing china, i don't want to contain china. i just want to make sure we have a relationship with china that's on the up enough, squared away, everyone knows what it's all about. one of the ways you do that as you make sure we're talking about the same things. i think one of the things we've done, i try to do, i talk with

a number of my staff about this at the last six months, we have an opportunity to strengthen alliances around the world to maintain stability. that's what this trip is all about, having india cooperate much more at the united states, be closer at the united states, vietnam being close with the united states, it's not about containing china, it's about having a stable base in the end of pacific. for example, when i was taking time, talking to president xi, he asked why i was going to have -- meeting australia, india, japan, united states. i said, to maintain stability. it's not isolating china, it's about making sure the rules of the road, everything from airspace and in the ocean, the international rules of the road,

they're abide by. and i hope that, i think that president xi has some difficulties right now. all countries have difficulties. economic difficulties, working its way through. i want to see china succeed economically. i want to see it succeed by the rules. the next question was -- >> okay, this is an important conversation what's happening. the president is taking questions from reporters, warmongering that, by the way, we will stay with that. i gotta go back to my conversation with professor -- we're gonna watch what's going on, those are two important visits the president has been on to the g20 in india. noticeably absent russia and china from that. now, he has gone on to vietnam as part of his push to create a greater american presence in asia, to counter that of china.

that was an important question. what i was talking with my colleague about this later on in the show as well. i want to go back to professor laurence tribe. i'm sorry for that interruption, very little would cause me to interrupt a discussion at the, ableism of the president talk what global affairs is probably one of those things. let's just, for my viewers benefit, go back to that first question. this lawsuit has been violent colorado, the president and his team have tried to have it removed to federal court, and then went back, i think, two nights ago, said, this needs to stay in colorado. it seems like the president and his team have agreed that that's where he has to be. why is this challenging colorado the important one? >> the reason, and i hate to imagine interrupting the president, i think this is terribly important, who the next president will be certainly depends, in part, on who's qualified to run.

the qualifications include not having taken an oath to uphold the constitution and then timid insurrection against the constitution and the principles for which it stands. colorado is a special place in that respect because unlike many other states, colorado has a specific statute which allows registered voters to take the secretary of state to court and demand that the secretary of state exclude anyone who doesn't meet all of the qualifications. even at the primary stage. of course, one of those qualifications is that you not have committed to what amounts to treason against the constitution. the secretary's, and this lawsuit, going to be required to conduct a hearing. not just supposed to shoot from the hip or offered opinion from

the top of her head, supposed to hold a hearing based on all of the evidence that's been gathered every the january 6th on how the president tried to overturn a fair and free election by legal means, including not just fomenting a violent insurrection, but also giving aid and comfort to that insurrection through a number of methods, including fake electoral slates. that hearing is now going to take place in georgia unless the state trial court refuses to enforce the state statute, that's not likely. whatever the conclusion of that hearing, it's gonna go all the way to the supreme court. judge luttig and i both, even though we disagree on a lot of things, we logically believe that taking seriously every part of the constitution is absolutely essential to the continuation of the american republic. >> thanks teal, we're all reading your copies of the

constitution. i want to read to you from the beginning of section three of the 14th amendment in which it says, no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and vice president or hold any of office, civil or military, under the united states are under any state. and then it goes on. it talks about hold any office. i spoke with the colorado secretary of state on the show yesterday. one nuance that we were discussing is whether section three bars someone from running for office or being seated in office? >> it seems to me very clear that section three basically applies to holding the office. but the colorado law quite sensibly says, if you cannot hold the office, cannot be listed on the ballot, this is what this state statute says.

that's what this lawsuit asks the secretary to enforce. ultimately, the meaning of section three has to be explicate id in this ongoing litigation. if the u.s. supreme court ends up deciding, no, it only prevents you from being president, not running for president, that's gonna create a terribly chaotic situation. the u.s. supreme court is not always avoiding chaos. we don't just have to see how sweeping the disqualification causes. >> have to be born in the united states and 35 years old, i plan to be on the ballot, the secretary of state's office should probably ask me to prove that i'm over the age of 35 and born in the united states. if i'm not, i'm not likely to make it out of the ballot. >> that's exactly right. if you aren't eligible for any other reason, suppose some people wanted to put barack

obama on the ballot for the democratic primary or maybe bill clinton or they wanted to put george w. bush on the ballot to run against trump, the reason they couldn't do that is the secretary would conclude that they're not eligible because they have already had two bites of the apple in the constitution where it's not allowed. this, is of course, more controversial, it's not as mechanical. that's why we have 140 page, whatever it is, hundred and 40 page complaint. isthat's why we have to have elaborate hearing. we couldn't say, oh, he's obviously an insurrectionist, and of case. clearly, we're gonna have to explore in this trial, the meaning of insurrection, what it means to be engaged in the, to give aid and comfort. i think it's obvious to most people that if trump doesn't qualify, nobody would. the disqualification for

insurrectionists would become a dead letter. that's not what any part of the constitution is supposed to be. this is a major protective provision put in there because they realized that those who take them oath to uphold the constitution and then turncoat against it might not end up being prosecuted for anything. this is not a punishment. at the time, you know, people weren't being prosecuted by andrew johnson's justice department. this is a disqualification. it's important for the survival of the republic that someone who has shown him or herself to be an insurrectionist against the constitution and not get another chance to try. >> yeah, that's a very important distinction that i think of to keep on making. this is not a crime nor does a criminal punishment, it's a disqualification. i want to ask you, we have a whole lot of people who are otherwise not consulting the constitutions, doing so as a result of your piece with michael luttig. the section, amendment 14, it

has five sections to a. section five is a clause that's repeated many times throughout the constitution. it's an ending sentence, the congress will have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article. tell me how you interpret that in this context. is there work for congress to do here or not? when i spoke with you and judge luttig, your general view is you don't need congress involved in this. >> that's right, congress could make things easier by setting up special procedures under section five for enforcing section three, just as it has put in place civil rights laws for enforcing the liberty and equal protection clause of section one. but like the liberty and equal protection clauses, this one has meaning even without enforcement legislation. states highest court renders

the judgment that deprives someone of liberty without due process of law or equal protections of laws, you don't need section five, you go straight to the u.s. supreme court and say, that decision must be reversed because it's inconsistent with the language of section one. likewise, a subtle court were to say, for example, we don't think you need to have a disqualification hearing about donald trump because this language died years ago. it is only about the civil war. there are few people who have made that argument. that argument, i think, would not survive in the supreme court. there is a number of others that might. whether or not congress, which is not the easiest place to get anything done, in maximum force when legislation are section five, this section, section three of the 14th amendment, it has to be enforced in every context where it is relevant to

the decision. >> professor, i have a number of viewers who are saying on twitter that these last few weeks have been like being in a law class with you and judge luttig, which will be quite a privilege of the two of you were to teach a law class together. we appreciate this. this is definitely more than sometimes somebody needs on a weekend morning, this is crucial important. we really appreciate the detail that you're getting into with your experience and your analysis. lawrence tribe is a professor emeritus of harvard law school, the author of many very important books, including this one, american constitutional law, and a lawyer in the country has consulted with this book at some point in their working career. all right, president biden's reyna holding a press conference in vietnam during a brief visit falling the g20 summit in india. early in the day, president biden met with the general secretary of the communist party of vietnam. they announced a new comprehensive strategic partnership between the united

states and vietnam. biden wrapped up a press conference from hanoi. let's bring in nbc news correspondent, janis mackey frayer, who is in hanoi. following these developments. giannis, there's been so much news going on domestically and internationally with ukraine, the earthquake. kraine thi think some people have missd what the president was hoping to accomplish with the strip, both to the g20 and subsequently further in asia with this trip to hanoi. >> well, this trip to vietnam for president biden is important because it's and upgrading over the relationship of vietnam. what they are calling a comprehensive strategic partnership. it's not something that vietnam extends to many countries. the u.s. is taking this as a very valuable endorsement. what president biden said was a critical partnership at a critical time. a lot of the discussions publicly are going to be focusing on semiconductors,

critical minerals. the backdrop for all of this, ali, of course, it's china. the u.s. effort to bring one of china's neighbors closer to the u.s.. this comes with a lot of complexities. there are historical considerations here, the ties the vietnam has with russia, there are still warm. just today there were reports that vietnam is in talks with russia for a new arms supply deal. there are a lot of considerations on what the biden administration saying this is a diplomatic win, regain one of china's closest neighbors much closer to the u.s.. >> let's listen back in. the president continues with the press conference. he is still answering some questions. so, janice, stay right there, let's listen to the president. >> so, we have, i think the other thing is dawning on people, many of you are foreign policy experts, -- for a long time. did you ever think you'd be

sitting at a g20 conference where everyone is preoccupied with the notion of global warming? not a joke, did you ever think that? and my brother loves having, famous lines for movies, he always quotes them. one of them is, there is a movie about john wayne, and they're trying to get, i think there's a patch, one of the great tribes of america, back on the reservation, he's standing with a union soldier, and they're on their horses, in their saddles, there's three or four indians and headdresses, union soldiers. the union soldiers basically say to the indians, come with me, take care, everything will be good, and the indians scout, the indian looks at john wayne and points to the union soldier and says, he is a lying dog faced pony soldier.

well, there's a lot of lying dog faced pony soldier's out there about global warming, but not anymore. all of a sudden, we're all realizing it's a problem. there's nothing like seeing the light. let's see, i am just following my orders here. -- if anyone has spoken until -- i'm not calling on, yo i said, you have five questions. anita? >> thank you, mister president. i hope you didn't think that calling only on women who get you softballs tonight. >> i know better than that. >> okay, well, let me start with president xi. >> if you sent me a softball, i wouldn't know to do that, strike out, it would be worse. >> let me ask you about, you

spent lots of time talking at all the time you spent with president xi, the importance of leader to leader communication, yet, you two haven't spoken in ten months. i just wonder, are we worried that this is destabilized and u.s. china relationship? what are you gonna do about it? and if i may, on ukraine, sir? upset the g20 communicate didn't name russia as the aggressor. having managed to rally more support and sympathy across the g20? or is this emerging as a wedge issue with the global south? does that change your commitment to ukraine? >> it's not a wedge with the global south, it's a wedge issue with russia -- has representation. so, by the way, i am, my team, my staff, still meets with president xi's people and his cabinet.

i mouth is number two person here, excuse me, in india today. so, it's not like there is a crisis if i don't personally speak to him. it would be better if i did, but i think, look, this is not a criticism, it is an observation, he has his hands full right now. he has overwhelming unemployment with his youth. one of the major economic tenants of his plan isn't working at all right now. i'm not happy for that. it's not working. he's trying to figure out, i suspect, i don't know, just like i would, trying to figure out what to do with the particular crisis they're having now. but i don't think it's a crisis relating to conflict between china and the united states. as a matter of fact, i think it's less likely to cause that kind of conflict. i don't, anyway, i think

there's other things on leaders minds and they respond what's needed at the time. look, nobody likes having celebrated international meetings if you don't know what you want at the meeting, if you don't have a game plan. you may have a game plan, he just hasn't shared with me. i tell you why, i don't know about you, i am going to go to bed. >> [inaudible]. >> yeah, we talked about the conference overall, talked about stability, making sure the third world, excuse me, third world, the southern hemisphere had access to change,

it wasn't confrontationally at all. >> thank, you everybody. this has -- >> thank you. >> okay, just to spare you from the elevator music, has wrapped up -- you are telling us -- his trip actually was. those questions really underscore that, right? it's not just about russia, but there is this undefined relationship between the united states and china, something you've covered for decades, certainly for years. the president going out of his way to suggest but we're not gonna fight with china, i get is alonna for china, he doesn't want to contain china, he said, he is language like, we want to make sure on the same page of china. we want to make sure there's stability in the region. very interesting dance he was doing there to try and say,

we're here, we're in asia, we're not looking for confrontation with china. >> president biden, over the past several months, has appeared to go to lengths to downplay any friction that there might be between him and china's president xi jinping, as well as the threat of the u.s. and china decoupling. both sides are all about derisking these days but they have been trying to smooth the waters, so to speak, having very high-ranking u.s. officials, resuming visits to china, and the expectation, the hope at least on the part of u.s. officials that president xi will attend the apec summit in san francisco november. this could mean there would be a sideline summit between president biden and president xi. so, he was referring to that in

this press conference because there was so much discussion about changing penn's absence from the g20, that it is a snub, it is a sign there were tense relations between china and india, which is true. xi jinping did send his deputy, premier li, and president biden saying he met with lee chugging today to discuss the number of issues that are facing not only china and its economy but the u.s. china relationship as its trying to find its way forward. for vietnam, it's why this will be very tricky diplomatic territory to try to navigate, ali, because vietnam is trying to appease all of the superpowers. it has relationships with the united states, with china, and with russia. it has issues with china, with a territorial dispute, the general friction in the region over china's claims to most of the child -- south china sea. it'll be interesting to see how china reacts to this visit

which appears to be warm between president biden and the leaders of vietnam, as president xi is expected to travel here in the coming weeks as well. already, russian defense officials have been here for talks. this will be very tricky territory for vietnam to navigate as it appears the u.s. has scored a win in bringing china's neighbor closer to the united states. >> janice, there's a nuance here that's important. it's something president biden this particularly good at. in the united states, there is a drumbeat about china. you know, there is a need for people to see this in black and white terms. it's china -- 's china ally or adversary? biden is trying to make it clear, the real situation, your expert on this, china needs to live in some space that it's neither ally nor adversary at the moment. we cannot do everything some people would like to do to put china on its back the. we rely economically on china. china relies economically on

trade with the western world. >> well, trade between the u.s. and china's still quite high. china's number three behind mexico and canada. there are still trade interests at stake. there are branches business interests at stake. several american companies trying to do business and china. it's becoming a murkier environment to do so. because of no and laws that china has brought into effect under the umbrella of national security. again, there does seem to be some very gentle stepping around the state of this u.s. china relationship. president biden not wanting to trigger any trip wires, so to speak, especially because they will be important diplomatically, important for the relationship, important for the two biggest economies in the world to find a way forward with relationships.

i think a big part of that will be ensuring that president xi does make it to the apec summit so he and president biden can meet face to face. >> giannis, as always, we're deeply grateful for your analysis of expertise. my old friend, janis, joining us from vietnam. look, as a bulwark against a growing and somewhat aggressive china, the united states also really needs india. india happy to be the host to the g20 meeting that president was that before he went to vietnam. you heard in his question a little earlier, that tiptoeing, that dance he was doing about the relations between the united states and china, he is also doing about the relationship between the united states and india. nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell, was at this press conference right now. she was also at the g20. kelly, these are my words, not your, as you do not have to lean into this, i'm going to because these are my people. india is rapidly declining into a country in which, as the world's biggest democracy,

sometimes doesn't feel all that democratic and is having some human rights issues. president biden did make a reference to that, both at the g20 and right now in his answers. >> there is been a consistent push from the administration to say that the president does address those issues when he is meeting with prime minister modi or other leaders -- at times, they emphasize that it's important for the president to do that in personal interactions with someone like prime minister modi. a lot of concerns about press access, for example. as reporters, we believe it's a stand in for the american people, it's not about our work, our jobs, it's about being represented for a democracy. that's a big issue in india. the white house had to do a lot to expand the inclusion of the presidents own press corps at some of these events. he was asked at the end of the press conference here about raising those issues, he said he did, this press conference was heavily focused on china.

many more issues that reporters gathered here wanted to ask about, have more review of the things that are on the presidents plate right now. he had a chance to talk a lot about these meetings. he's obviously invested a lot of his time and energy and being here. he talked a couple times about going around the world. it has been a vigorous and rigorous trip for the president in terms of the time zone changes, the meetings, all the different issues he's dealing with. when it comes to india, one of the things you are certainly seeing is that prime minister modi has a strong personality. his photo is about every ten meters and indian billboards. he's a very big presidents there. that's part of welcoming the world as the host nation. he has the right to do that. you get a sense of how much his own identity is tied to the face of india today. the president wants to have that relationship be polite, even at times it felt a bit differential with u.s. officials and forcing how much

they have a partnership with india because of the important place to place on the world stage right now. independent many regards, some relationship with russia, obviously a counter way to china. where here in hanoi now, the president of course meeting today with officials and elevating the relationship. this is a country where it's a communist party in charge. there is a long and intertwined history with the united states because of the war in vietnam. the president, particularly a person of his age, lived through that vietnam era, spoke about john kerry, the ambassador here who served in vietnam, made reference to john mccain. he will go and see the memorial for john mccain here in hanoi where he was shot down and then in prison as a p.o.w.. there's a lot on the presidents mind when it comes to this part of the world and wanting to send a message of partnership, economic opportunity, but also

wanting stability. in places where there are human rights abuses, there are concerns about freedoms, he's also looking for stability. that's part of the takeaway here, ali. >> it's a treat for us on velshi this morning, miss o'donnell, to have you and janis mackey frayer giving your remarkable interpretation of very important global events. i'm always happy to see you. thank, you my friend. kelly abdominal for us in hanoi, along with giannis in vietnam as well. don't go anywhere, and more velshi after the break. hi after the break so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer. all learning to save and spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts with her new debit card. hungry? -uhuh. the designer's eyeing sequins. uh no plaid. while mom is eyeing his spending. nice.

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recess, the house the senate will be back in session this week. republicans have hit the ground running, some might say stumbling. lawmakers have left three weeks to come on a consensus of funding the government, kind of the only thing the constitution says they actually have to deal. members of the hard right house reading caucus are entertaining the idea of forcing a government shutdown to secure

spending cuts and policy concessions. a stopgap bill supported by the white house, senate, and white house leadership is on the table. the last government shutdown happened four years ago, the month long laps over donald trump's border wall went down is the longest government shutdown in modern history. affected hundreds of thousands of government workers. don't worry, there is another item on their agenda, another unpopular gambit that is doomed to fail and likely to end an embarrassment. some trump ballots and congress are pushing ahead with a plan to try to impeach president biden. for white? i don't know, your guess is as good as mine. house speaker kevin mccarthy is tiptoeing around this impeachment minefield. he doesn't seem to be about him to it as he deals with grounds from republicans who think it's a major waste of time, trying to keep the peace with the far-right chaos caucus members were pushing for this impeachment inquiry and are, by the way, the ones who held up his election as speaker. a lot going on here. joining me now, charlie depp,

former congressman from the state of pennsylvania, director and vice president congressional program at the aspen institute. joe walsh, former republican congressman from illinois and 2020 republican presidential candidate, author of the book, f silence. i love you both, but charlie, off to you to the side for a second, you are always, how do i say this politely, joe? you embodied some of what we're seeing in the cast caucus right now. i need you to get into their heads for me and help me out the math. there are, let's say, 20 of them who would like to see donald trump, joe biden impeached, have impeachment hearings, whatever it is they're trying to achieve. there is almost equal number of republicans, more like what charlie was, who are not interested in this nonsense, some of them because they're in districts that joe biden won. so, the math is not there. there is no possible math for joe biden being impeached in the house. tell me, what is going through the minds of those people in the far-right right now?

what are they trying to accomplish? >> ali, they look at where the republican party voter's. a little bit of context here, 86 to 88% of republican primary voters right now are supporting donald trump, ron desantis, or revoke ramaswamy. as you said, hard right, crazy caucus, the caucus, this is a maga party. the vast majority of republican voters don't believe biden won. the vast majority of republican voters want biden impeached. these house republicans, the house more accurately reflects where their voters are than the senate, they're gonna do the bidding of where their voters are. especially, ali, on top of that, when you put the fact that the nominee of the party, the leader of the party, donald trump, he's demanding that joe biden be impeached. that's what's driving this. >> charlie, let's talk about

the other side now. the republicans who either think this is messy and unnecessary, not great to run on in 2024. government shutdowns, budget, you know, debt ceiling showdowns, things like this. you combine them with those republicans who won the houston districts that joe biden had won. what are they doing about this? how did we get around this? how does a moderate, i don't recall the moderate, how does republican it it will be part of the cast caucus and doesn't want that nonsense to go one have an influence here today? >> what they really need to do is work the senate. the summit ultimately is gonna drive this process. i see this playing out in one of maybe two ways. the house gop will send a bill to the senate to keep the government funded. a lot provisions that are controversial, very partisan, democrats won't support. it will go to the senate. the senate will send back a bipartisan bill to fund the government, to provide for disaster relief, and provide

funding for ukraine. they'll send it back to the house where speaker mccarthy will have to make a decision. either have what the senate has something, rejected, some something that will lead to a government shutdown. a lot of these more pragmatic members don't want to shut down, they know the party making the policy demand, in this case, republicans, will be blamed for the shut down. of course, it's very disruptive and pointless, frankly. that's how i see this playing out. of course, there might be a side deal here to. could be that mccarthy could get a senior vote from his hard-liners in exchange for them getting a vote on an impeachment inquiry. will be deeply problematic for more pragmatic members in competitive districts. something they should not engage in. that's how i see this playing out at the moment. >> keep your tea party had on for a second. there is a world in which these folks where the chaos caucus, i could stop calling them the chaos caucus because they might hold very conservative him

somewhat libertarian views with which i maybe don't agree but are worth discussing. we don't talk about these things. we talk about procedural junk that is holding up the business of the american people. there is a way to get through the underlying discussions. we seem to do everything, it's all -- everything is about how bad i could possibly make this so you have to listen to my demands. how do we fix the system? there has to be someone in that chaos caucus who says, there is a better way to do this then taking congress hostage every time we want to do something. i mean this is a serious question. how do we validate the fact that they have political views that are different from ours but we can't stop the business of the american people just to debate these things? >> i continue to quibble with your premise about the crazy caucus as someone who is part of a crazy caucus, it's no longer a caucus. i really think this point needs to be made for the american people to hear. this republican party now, ali,

it's not the party i was part of nine, ten, 11 years ago. it is now a fully mcgill party. this is not some -- this is the party. yes, back in 2011, i was one of the leading voices, charlie dent was probably throwing things at me then to shut down the government. i wanted a serious conversation about government spending. ali, as you say, now, they're not interested in that substantive conversation. they're now radicalized. they want to talk about other issues that have nothing to do with government spending. they want to put forward issues like investigating donald trump, pulling back on these investigations that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. it is a radicalized party right now. >> charlie -- go ahead, yeah? >> i was just gonna say, there is an answer though. the way you deal with this wrong group. there is no question it is

wrong. you deal with the same way mccarthy dealt with it during the debt ceiling issue. he struck an agreement with hakeem jeffries to help him get through the procedural votes to bring up the budget agreement, which by my calculations was a pretty good deal. they marginalize that way. in other words, the democrats to help them pass the rule, and then passed the bill itself, where there were, you know, strong republican and democratic support. that's a marginalized people, push them to the fringe. that means he has to cut bipartisan deals. that also means that exposes him to action from those that want to take him down, they take the share, the speakership. that's the only way to do with this group. >> which one might argue is what he's trying to do, joe. i mean, as somebody who's not in congress anymore, how do you evaluate what kevin mccarthy is doing? he doesn't want this to happen? he didn't the dead ceiling thing to happen, he doesn't want this to happen. he also doesn't ever come out and yell at those guys on the

far-right. is he actually doing a relatively good job here of saying, all right, i'm gonna let you guys event? in the end, the government is not gonna shut down, it might be in the 11th hour, the three of us might be sitting one night very late talking about this in a couple of weeks, but he might succeed. >> look, he is still speaker. that's all he cares about. he's done a very good job of hanging on to the speakership. i think charlie is right, ali. i think what mccarthy's gonna do here is get the hard right monica caucus, as you say, to agree to the spending deal and then hill throw them a bone of launching an impeachment inquiry. i think that's the deal, that's the needle, i think mccarthy is gonna try to thread. it's a no win because there is no basis for that. it's still gonna pass off other people. i think that's the bone hill throw. >> charlie, it is the impeachment thing gonna be too

damaging for a bunch of republicans who are in close districts? >> certainly not gonna be helpful to them, the impeachment inquiry. frankly, out of the house gop has the votes to pass an inquiry vote. i just don't see it at the moment. if i'm a republican and one of those new york districts, one in pennsylvania, one in nebraska, a long list of members where this impeachment inquiry will do them no good. the other issue is, we're going into a presidential election here, why don't we decide this at the ballot box. that's how you take it out on joe biden. don't need to go to impeachment where you really don't have the basis to really begin. i get the hunter biden issue smells terribly, but that's not directly connected to joe biden. i think they're making a miscalculation, the house gop, they're overplaying their hand here. they should do with the hunter biden issue is a political matter, they can make points on that. they want to take it to the next step. this impeachment is damaging to those in the marginal swing

district. >> guys, thank you as always. charlie, denver more public and -- executive director and vice president of the congressional program at the aspen institute, -- from illinois, author of the book, of silence. as we get close to a government shutdown, i'm calling both of you. all, right the legal cases against donald trump are moving forward. so the fast-moving efforts to challenges eligibility for the presidency. straight ahead, how that works, when and where it's been done before. how it can go down this time? we're bringing you an update from morocco where more than 2000 people are dead from a rare earthquake. another hour of velshi starts right now. right now. good morning, it's sunday september the 10th. we begin with the latest out of morocco released 2012 people are dead and more than 2000 injured following that devastating a 6.8 magnitude earthquake, which struck in the moroccan high atlas mountain range, about 46 miles south of

the ancient city of marrakesh late friday night. sky news chief correspondent stewart ramsey is near the epicenter, with the latest on the search and rescue efforts. >> this is the epicenter. this is absolutely flattened. as you can see, the search and rescue efforts are still going on. and in this particular session, one house, that is a multi story house that has been completely flattened. you see the rescue workers, you can see it the police and the army here as well. we've also got sniffer dogs. we're told they are looking for people who are alive, there have been a number of bodies taken out of this whole area in the last few hours. i was here only a short while ago, and the body of a young lady was taken out. the mother was very distraught, as you can imagine. she's lost her daughter and other members of the family have been lost as well. and you can see why. how difficult it would be to survive an earthquake, when it is so enormous. it's a major effort tin