appreciate it. we've got a lot more coming up, folks. you're watching msnbc. our second hour starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hi, everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian. if you're just joining, us welcome. if you are sticking with us, we are thankful for that. we are following the devastating situation in morocco, the death toll soaring to over 2000 people. a report from the rubble is coming up. a new information just out on the search for that pennsylvania fugitive. police saying this at a news conference just a short time ago. >> i'm not gonna make an excuse to you. i wish it had not happened. unfortunately, there are a lot of circumstances, there are a lot of issues associated with that property. >> and we are just days away from the return of the house from summer recess with chaos on the agenda for the gop, with a potential government shutdown and impeachment threat looming as well. i'm gonna talk to democratic

congressman brandon boyle about what's coming up. also, getting under the skin, the growing movement to use the 14th amendment to keep donald trump off the ballot in some states. has the former president downright agitated. >> to say that a section of the 14th amendment's election interference, and considering how to uphold the constitution 's election interference, that is un-american. we know that the former president is a liar who will do everything he can to hold on to power. >> and assault on democracy, a move by republicans in wisconsin and alabama aimed at subverting the will of the people. that story later on in the hour as. well when when i get to this hour, though, the devastation in morocco where people are still being pulled from the rubble more than 24 hours after that massive 6.8 magnitude quake. but time is in fact running out. more than 2100 people confirmed dead so far. and 2400 injured. sky news reporter stewart ramsey has more.

>> this is the epicenter. this is absolutely flat, as you can see, the search and rescue efforts is still going on in this particular section, one house -- a multi-storey house that is being completely flattened. you see the rescue workers. you can see the police in the army here as well. they've also got sniffing dogs. we are told they are looking for people who are alive. but there is been a number of bodies taken out of this whole area in the last few hours. i was here a short while ago and a body of a young lady was taken out. her mother was very distraught, as you can imagine. she is her daughter, and she also lost other members of the family. you can see why how different it would be to survive and earthquake when it is so, so enormous. the major effort taking place here, three more as you see in the distance. we got a wide angle lens, but you can see that clearly in the moment.

you can see those stretches out there as well. this has been one of the hardest hit areas, one of the hardest areas to get to. for a long time, it had to be helicopters coming in. and that could take many hours. you could see the rescue workers are here. now, these helicopters are coming in to pick up either bodies or -- taken away to other cities that haven't been badly affected. but they're also running from here into the remote villages that are still completely cut off by road. they've done a remarkable job at actually getting anyone. and they got the road open as far as we are. it took a long time. it's quite scary because it's quite clear that there is another tremor that could come back down. this is another house and apartment block that has been completely flattened.

it was here that we saw the body of that young woman i mentioned being taken away. they've gotten in some cutting gear. it looks like a roof of the building has just come straight down. and they're obviously trying to get underneath. occasionally, it goes very quiet. and as they're holding on, they try to see if somebody is alive. i have to say when they are doing this and as they're moving rubble, it's probably pretty certain that whoever is in there has not survived, has not made it. it's a difficult scene. as i said before, in this particular area, how anyone really would stand any chance. and it's fair to say many didn't. we look around other parts of town as well. this is a ridge line that lead down to the valley floor. it basically collapsed. this is housing. that is not the edge of a cliff,

this is just a part of a town, completely slip down. further up, you can see here that it was a major administrative building, a supermarket there. as you can see, they just turned completely into rubble. this rescue effort it's gonna go on for a long time. it's a recovery effort, now, for many people. but there is still hope that, but that hope is running out. they only got a few days, the golden days, maybe two, three, four, and sometimes in earthquakes, you get an amazing discovery of somebody who's been able to survive with water. but it's very hot here. there is no rain. so, i think if there are not found in the next, you know, day or two, then there would be no hope. we'll let you know, guys, if some people die. l >> our thanks to sky news for that devastating report. we are also continuing to

follow that breaking news out of pennsylvania. new developments there on the escaped killer who has been on the run in chester county for 11 days now. just in the last hour, officials giving a press conference with more details in the search. and danelo cavalcante's movements. let's listen to some of what they had to say. >> i do believe he is still in pennsylvania. he is absolutely looking for support. he needs that support. he doesn't have it. the planning was going to tomorrow's efforts, we will bring even more resources in. >> he is very determined. we are even more determined he will be held to justice. >> nbc reporter is in chester county, pennsylvania for us. give us an update, marissa, if you will on some of what we just heard and where we are now. >> yeah, we learned a lot and i think the first thing to start off with is police are asking for the public's help in this. one of the things that they are really stressing to people, not

just keep an eye, out but make sure not just your homes are locked but also your vehicles, make sure you're not doing something like leaving them not just unlocked but leaving the keys inside of a car. because cavalcante right now on the run, clearly looking for any opportunity he can to aid himself. so, we're gonna go through everything that we learned that really illustrates what he's been doing so far and what they believe he is capable of. we understand there is a local dairy farm not too far away from where we are right now. this is near -- behind me is that command post it has been the nerve center for the last 11 days, if you will hear in chester county. so it was somewhere between the hours of seven and ten pm yesterday, this local dairy farm, his family inside was asleep, little did they know when they left their keys inside of that van, at some point, cavalcante stole that vehicle. and so, police then later discovered because they got calls about this, 9:52 pm, as well at 10:07 pm, he attempted to bring, ring the doorbell's

of old friends, old associates that used to know from the past, asking for help. he is seen on camera doing so. and that's actually where you see some of those new images of him with a whole new look. you see that green sweatshirt, a new hat, the same prison pants, but if you look. he's got a freshly shaven fates, even sporting a new smile here as he was asking for help from some old friends of his. and so, then, police had it confirmed sighting. they identified a vehicle associated with him somewhere around 5:20 in the morning. things get a little hazy. police are not filling the dots for us in terms of exactly what has happened, where we know that they had a confirmed sighting at a church near phoenixville, and again for reference, for those who don't know the area, that's about 40 minutes about northeast of where we are right now, where all of this -- remember, longwood gardens was where that search was, that four mile perimeter here just yesterday. now 40 minutes north east of here, that is where they had it confirmed sighting of him at a church. and that was phoenix, though.

this morning, 7:00 in the morning, they found that event, that ban that they said everyone should be on the lookout for, abandoned behind a barn. they said they believe one of the reasons why that vehicle was abandoned was due to low fuel. now, when we talk about the urgency, asking people to be on the lookout, to keep their keys out of their vehicles, keep those vehicles locked, and keep their homes locked because clearly, as we are seeing, he already stole a ban. they think they are not sure what he is doing right now. but they think it's very possible that he might have stolen another. they did not report any signs or have any reports of a stolen vehicle. but they say he is desperate. he is looking for help. and anyone who is caught having done so already, or will do so, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. yasmin? >> all right, marissa parra, for us, thank you for taking us through all of that. i want to bring in former fbi supervisor and member of the hostage rescue team, rob d'amico. rob, you just kind of heard the timeline laid out there by

murray said that you and i heard in the press conference in the last hour. i'm wondering, if they discovered this event around 10 am, when this guy has been able to allude authorities now for 11 days, it is three pm eastern time right now. they are obviously still searching that area. but how concerned are you. he could've already taken another vehicle and made his way further outside that zone? >> yeah, so, i would look at, okay, when did they get notified? when was the soonest they had some police on site that they can really narrow down that timeline. and then they start looking at, okay, this is how far you could walk, and then start looking for vehicles missing. one thing, the vehicle that still had the keys in it, which he stole, we may not have, he may not have that skill set to be able to ski steal a car without keys.

i think that helps if we can get the word out, make sure that your key fobs are in or you are locking your keys up. you can also start looking around that area that you would be walking just to even go door to door, knocking on peoples doors, say, hey, are all your vehicles, keys accounted for? and start looking and saying, hey, did he get another ban or a vehicle, but you're also looking for the walking aspect. you have police doing two different things, looking on the ground, assuming that he didn't get a vehicle. and then other police officers, investigators, looking if he got another vehicle. and if he did, identifying that quickly, they will push it back out. >> what do you most wary about in the coming days as this search continues? i know time is of the essence here, right? the further we get from when he escaped, the harder it seems it becomes in these types of situations to actually apprehend them. >> yeah, i would be looking at

him fleeing the country. that would be the biggest thing. again, it's grand because it is so far. he's not gonna be able to get on a plane, most likely, just because the i.d. is required and such. he's gonna have to make his way. is he communicating with someone? does he finally get a hold of somebody that helps him? that lieutenant colonel has mentioned his activity in the past. they may be more susceptible to helping him out or the people that he contacted actually called police, which is good. he went to their houses, thought he could trust them. and in fact, he didn't. but he probably knows those people have given him up based on some of that activity in the area, putting the police closer to him. but it will be getting away. though i do hope that if he does get further out, he doesn't get as desperate. when you start cornering him in, they can start doing dangerous things, trying to get into a house or such. if he feels that he's not being cornered, he may not be as desperate, and might not co-op

to a violent situation. >> rob d'amico, thank you, sir. appreciate it. everybody, lawmakers are making their way back to capitol hill with a long list of items on the agenda and a potential government shutdown looming as well. a democrat from pennsylvania, congressman brandon boyle of the budget committee joins me. we are back in 60 seconds. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ meet the team all using chase to keep up with their finances. smart bankers. convenient tools. boom. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours. all right, welcome back

everybody. turning now to capitol hill, where house members are returning this week from the summer recess. and they have a lot on their plate, as the deadline to fund the government in order to avert a shutdown, rapidly approaches. all happening, as -- unless they get their way, and withholding a vote to withhold an impeachment inquiry into the president's. i want to bring in now congressman -- a loyal democratic -- and ranking member i should say of the budget committee, to talk more about this. congressman, thanks for joining us on this, i appreciated.

i want to start there, this threat from far-right republicans, essentially saying we're not going to fund the government unless you launch an impeachment inquiry into the president. how do you see this playing? out >> >> well first, the effort by the ultra maga extremists really cheapens the impeachment process, which has been rarely used in american history. that said, however, all commit leigh i do not believe that they will be successful. it does not at peer as if their effort has a great deal of support among senate republicans. in my view, the real template for getting the government funded for the next year, was actually laid out in june, when we had a big, overwhelming, bipartisan vote in the house, to raise the debt ceiling for almost two years, as well as to set funding levels, top line figures on what funding should look like for the next fiscal year, and a little bit beyond

that. you saw more than two thirds of house republicans vote for that, you saw more than 80% of house democrats vote for that, and you saw a big bipartisan majority in the senate, as well as the president, ultimately sign it. so, i am hopeful that we will get there. the question is, and this is a question that has often been asked, ever since that first week of january, will kevin mccarthy be willing to stand up to the most extreme, ultra maga caucus members that he has? >> will he >> well, i think that time will tell. if he does, as i said we saw the vote in june, an overwhelming bipartisan vote. ultimately, that is what i think will need to happen, in order to ensure that there isn't a government shutdown. the question though is, will kevin mccarthy, who was so afraid of the marjorie taylor greene's and the jim jordans,

and the other ultra maga extremists in his caucus, that ultimately he gives in to them, and we are forced into a government shutdown. but actually, very few members of congress want. >> i'm wondering if, as you are watching this play out in the house amongst house republicans, there certainly is this division that it seems that they have with senate republicans, right, who are not for this quid pro quo, launched this impeachment -- specifically hearing from john -- mitt romney as well. and i do want to note, all 12 funding bills have sailed through the senate appropriations committee on bipartisan votes. some were even unanimous votes. can democrats capitalize on it seems to be this fracture, between house republicans and senate republicans? >> it's been a consistent, dominant theme, again throughout this year. not just on this issue, but i think we're also seeing it play out when it comes to ukraine funding.

where senate republicans side with the vast majority of democrats on that issue, while kevin mccarthy continues to be beholden to the ultra maga extremists in his caucus. you know, it shows you that big, bipartisan votes are possible, they've happened actually quite a bit under president biden's leadership. i don't think he gets enough credit for, that whether it was back to the infrastructure bill a couple of years ago, the chips act or. as i mentioned, most recently in june, the bill to raise the debt ceiling. so, in the end, the math dictates we're going to have to get there. the question is, how much pain and suffering will speaker mccarthy, and some in his caucus, put us in the country through, until we finally have that vote on a bipartisan bill. >> congressman ben brendan, boyle thank you, sir appreciate it. >> all right, the president arriving in, huntington, following his time at the g20

in india. he -- let a general secretary of the communist party of vietnam, where they announced a new comprehensive, strategic partnership between the u.s. and vietnam. but one of the key topics that he discussed was u.s. relations with china. >> i am sincere about getting the relationship right. and, one of the things that is going on and how is, china is beginning to change some of the rules of the game. in terms of trade, and other issues. but, as i said, we are not looking to hurt china. sincerely, we are all better off if china does well. >> when will you meet, with mr. -- ? well i hope they get to see mr. g soon, and not later. i've spent more time than any other world leader has -- in the last 12 years and so i hoping to get to see him again xi jinping soon. the president will be traveling to anchorage, alaska, to and will deliver remarks to service members, for starters, and

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weekend. he kicked things off in south dakota, where he picked up an endorsement from governor kristi noem, who many speculate could be a potential vp pick. trump then enjoyed several other -- where he attended the big annual iowa, iowa state football game, and got, let's call it a bit mixed reception. >> [bleep] [applause] [applause] i want to bring in nbc campaign -- jake trailer in the morning to talk more about this. jake, thanks for joining us on this, appreciate it. how is the reception there for the former president so far? and what are you hearing from voters about the other candidates? >> yeah yasmin, former president donald trump, back on the campaign, trail after about a month-long hiatus. so he started in south dakota on friday, where he locked in a key, high profile endorsement from south dakota governor kristi noem. he then heads to the iowa, iowa

state rivalry football game, alongside other gop contenders. and i want to point out some exclusive reporting -- -- dasha burns, as well as captain -- . they found that there are some republican allies who are concerned about trump's presence in iowa. now, trump's campaign has vehemently denied that report. but let's just take a look at the state of iowa. retail politics is king here, the idea is that candidates can come in, establish a presence, create some infrastructure, lay some groundwork, and then have a visible, tangible presence in the state. that is just not reality, four for president donald trump. we have seen him, just looking at the numbers, 99 counties in iowa. and for this weekend, former president donald trump has visited four of them. governor ron desantis, 53. when we're talking about campaign events, former president donald trump, so far, about a dozen. vivek ramaswamy, close to 30. governor ron desantis, about

50. so there's a clear distinction here, between trump and his opponents. when i reached out to the trump campaign, and talk to them about that, they are not concerned. they say here is winning by so much in the gop primary, that it is not a problem, they are not concerned, he doesn't have to be here all the time, like the other candidates. so that that begs the question, where has the former president been? well, for criminal indictments, so just over the past three months, 91 counts against him. that's been a lot of his initial -- . and talking to voters across the country about those indictments, specifically trump loyalist voters, they don't seem to mind at all, about these indictments. if anything, it's galvanized the. listen to one of the voters that i spoke with. >> i think he has a right, just as we as americans have a right, to refute any election. and if we think there was fraud, or any kind of criminal activity, we have a right as americans to say that. it's our election, the government officials that we are electing, so we have every right to say if we felt like there was something unconstitutional, or any fraud, or any problems with

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members of the wisconsin let the gop senate are attempting to subvert democracy, by tying trying to remove a new liberal member of the states supreme court, before she's even heard a case. justice janet pro to say what's won an indecisive victory from her state back in april, effectively flipping the court majority to the left. >> it means that wisconsin voters have made their voices heard. [applause] they have chosen to reject partisan, extremism in this state. [applause] >> republicans may use their majority to impeach her, due to concerns over how she will rule on the critical issues of gerrymandering, and abortion. i want to bring in wisconsin democratic state senator chris

larsson to talk more about this. state senator larson, thank you for joining for us. let me read to you a tweet you put out about this. republican legislators in wisconsin do not believe in democracy, it's the only way to explain their attempts to overturn not just the 2020 presidential election, but the 2023 state supreme court race. where are we, in the latest gop efforts to launch an impeachment inquiry? >> well right now, there is a trial looming, that continues to grow higher and higher in the state of wisconsin, put all by republican leader of the assembly robin vos. now we should be clear, they have taken just about every step they can to try and usurped democratic control in the state, small the democratic control, ever since they took power, and after the 2010 charlack in, they imposed some of the most gerrymandered maps in the entire country, on the legislature. they've doubled down on that, just last year, with some new maps. they have tried to be able to cut out early voting,

repeatedly being pushed back by federal courts. so they usually go for it, so there is this pause right now to see if they are going to be able to move forward, and testing to see if they have the votes in the assembly. it's a little tricky, because they do have these fake, almost supermajorities in the assembly, super majorities in the senate, because of the rigged maps. but, even judge janet, under these rigged maps, was able to win 12 of the assembly seats that they hold, and six of the senate seats. and so, it's a question of them looking over their shoulder, that they realize that even the gerrymanders that they may, might not be able to help them try to get past overturning a rightfully one election. >> so, when you talk about gerrymandering, i want to talk to a point you saw with the republicans are pointing to, as to why they would want to see the justice impeached. because of some of the things that she has said about gerrymandering, quote unquote, referring to it as unfair, and also as rigged. what is your response to that.

>> yeah i mean, this is, they are creating, they are trying their best to create a narrative. the fact is, they tried to start saying things about judge -- came before she was elected. there is one guy who is running for state senate, who was floating the idea of impeaching her, and actually using the state senate with the illegitimate two thirds supermajority that they had created, with rid maps. of holding that as being a place to hold democrats, or democratic trials, where they hold democrats on trial, or a trial court, as you put it, to use a direct quote. so they were floating this well before. to be clear, there was a legal analysis that was done out of uv madison, that just came out today by professor robert -- [interpreter] , where he said there is no case, in u.s. history, where a judge running for office was impeached over campaign activities, much less something that they said on the campaign trail. so this is something that is completely manufactured. and frankly, it would set up a

constitutional crisis, not just in wisconsin, but in other states where they are using the courts to try to wield illegitimate power. >> you and your democratic colleagues have established a 4 million dollar war chest to combat efforts to impeach the justice. tell us about voter outreach here >> yeah i mean, it started earlier this week on wednesday. and whenever the calls are coming in right away, i was actually working for my office, and i can hear the phone ringing in the other room. and, my staff were just chiming. and there's another one that just came in. and you can really see it in the faces of other legislatures, that people are hearing from their constituents, and seeing this out on the streets. so people are not happy with the idea that this election is going to be overturned, for folks who are following the news nationally. those who try to do that do not end up voting well, as people are hungry for democracy. and here in wisconsin, it's no different, even though i told you about all these efforts to try to suppress the vote. actually, by one measure, we

were deemed the for third worst democracy in the, country as far as votes being able to count as elected officials reflecting the will of the people. but even with that, we have the highest use voter turnout in the entire country the last presidential cycle. if you are looking at those numbers, both democratic and republican. actually today, one republican senator came out and said that she would not move forward with impeachment. we are also hearing from conservative commentators like charlie sykes, who sent this gop field is entitled to this legislative power, and they should not wheeled it. >> state senator chris larsson, thank you. all right, so the gop led push for impeachment in wisconsin, is just one of the anti democracy efforts by members of the republican party, as a whole. leading to a group of more than a dozen presidential senators to issue the following warning, in a joint statement. calling, quote, for the countries recommitment to democratic prince principles, including the rule of law, and respecting a diversity of beliefs. at the forefront of these

concerns are republican efforts at election district manipulation, and deterring abortion rights for women. joining me now is simone sanders townsend, the host of simone, which can be seen right here on msnbc, following this show. as always simone, it is such a pleasure my friend, thank you for joining us on this. let me first get your reaction to the conversation i had. gop led efforts, in the state of wisconsin, to possibly try and impeach a supreme court justice, in that state, before even a ruling has been issued by her. >> yeah i mean, if you look at the maps across the country of all of the states, wisconsin is in fact the most gerrymandered state in the united states of america right now. and so, what the state senator was talking about. i mean, they have been living in this reality, that democrats in the state legislature, for a very very long time. but they continue to try to cobble together interesting ways to blunt what is just

blatant overreach, if you will. now, what folks are saying about justice, supreme court justice janet -- is that oh, you know, she took money from local democratic committees, and state democratic committees, and that's why she should, first of all have to recuse herself, and then they're also making the argument for if each. meant well, every single justice that serves in those supreme courts, except one, has taken money from a partisan political committee, both democrats and republicans. so i really just think that the american people can see through this, i don't think it's a concern for folks in wisconsin but. the question is what can folks do about it? there is a super majority in wisconsin, and in the state legislature. and that is why these local elections are gonna be absolutely critical in 2024. there are some seats up in the ballot in state legislatures, both the states legislature in the house in wisconsin. enough democrats want to play ball, they have to run candidates in those late races, and. when >> so obviously, one of the issues is gerrymandering.

one of the issues why they're going after the supreme court justice in wisconsin's abortion. i'll talk you about some of the reporting that dropped, i believe on friday, this effort by the republican party, thinking about re-branding the term pro-life to, quote unquote, fix their abortion issue, going into 2024. what do you make of this. >> yasmin, you've got a lot to keep from crying. it was absolutely just shocking to me, that it took a brief and patient, if you will have some data, collected from some republican pollsters and strategists, to come in and say hey, maybe this isn't working for us republicans, we've got to read to our efforts. and where they're not here for 2022, did they not see iowa, did they not see kansas and michigan in the ballot initiatives in ohio? so you know, i think the reality here is that it's not a word issue, right. this is not a semantics issue, that the republican party apparatus has. the issue that the republican party apparatus has is that the rhetoric has now, now has

consequences. and that people across this country, women, families, are living with the consequences of these abortion bans, this very extreme rhetoric. no exceptions for rape and incest. so, i don't think, pro baby versus pro life is going to fix it. >> what's amazing to me, simone, is that they campaigned on overturning roe, forever, right. since roe happened, back in the 70s. and then, they got what they wanted. and now, they are trying to turn it around, because they recognize that the american people did not in fact wanted. and i just kind of speaks to the fact that the republican party gop is being led by the right wing arm, of the party, who are disconnected from the majority of the electorate, in this country. hence, why they are saying now, what we've got to re-brand right, pro-life, to fix the problem that we now have. >> yeah, very disconnected from the people. and you know yasmin, for decades, republicans ran on

overturning roe versus wade. but what, they didn't run on is jailing women, what they didn't run on is fining and jailing doctors for administering abortions. what they didn't run on this forcing children to have babies by their rapist, right. but, that is in fact what is happening. and so, i think that for issues of abortion, but also when you think about the economy, when we talk about the economy, the republican the republican party apparatus has gone away for decades with just saying the thing, and because they are so good with the messaging, because republicans across the board have been just very good on being -- . they say it enough that people started to believe. it went really, folks should have been asking tougher questions, and i think asking people to peel back the layers here. and now, we are living with the ramifications of that rhetoric. >> yeah, as women are as well, across this country. now symone, as always my friend, be sure to, i'm getting my tongue tied to catch symone every weekend, at four pm,

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prohibits public officials from serving if they, quote unquote engaged in it instructional rebellion against the country or they aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. and as -- notes, this idea is getting a lot of attention now even from the former president himself -- >> up and msnbc political contributor. steve, thanks for joining us on this, it seems as if what the president has been saying about the 14th amendment, invoking of the 14th amendment, in certain states across this country, specifically, and the way he may be baiting people. what is he saying, and what do you make of it? >> well you know for a long, time he didn't say anything. for the first couple of years after january 6th, there was a lot of conversation about academics, among constitutional scholars, and at that point, -- he blew it off because he thought it was more or less relegated to academia. but, over the last week or so, as the threat has become more serious, trump's rhetoric has

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well, we've been watching for days, we continue to watch it for at least the next week. this is going to slow down in the big way, even surrendered fiesta day. in terms of the strength, it's already starting to strengthen once again. we are looking at winds at 110 miles per hour. that makes it really close to a category three storm, you'll need 111 mile per hour winds. so it's close again to a major hurricane. we're looking at the location, 270 miles north, north and east of the -- islands. that's good news for the -- puerto rico, the places like the virgin islands. because we are just seeing indirect impacts, in terms of -- also some life-threatening rip currents, as we head throughout the next couple of days. it's moving at eight miles per hour. yesterday it, was around 12, so it has slowed down. what is going to slow down in a big way. and that is what makes it so difficult to determine the track along the east coast, because we need the current to get in place -- the jet stream, than to play together. and that's what's going to determine where lee is going to go. but look at this track, really telling the story of how long we're gonna be talking about lee. so by tomorrow morning, a category three storm for,

shortfall can happen in the next couple of hours, in the next debate comes out at 5:00. by tuesday, category four storm, so that is a big-time storm. and then it's going to weaken, it's going to -- encounter some wind shear, it's going to encounter some cooler, waters we're looking at category three by wednesday. and we are still talking by this thursday friday. but for now yasmin, we are talking all direct, indirect impacts to the u.s., with some high surf and also some rip current. we're going to head to watch this for you though, back to you. >> all right, thank you for us michelle appreciate it. all right everybody, we've got to end on a high. note history at the u.s. open. what a moment. coco gauff stunned -- to win the first grand slam tournament of her young career, in a comeback 3 set victory, the 19 euro became the youngest american to win a grand slam since serena williams, earning her first grand slam title back in 1999. goff is also just the 3rd female american teenager to win this tournament, in the open era. the win caps of a summer where got dominated the tour. and tomorrow, she will rise to

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