at this hour, rescue teams using their bare hands to dig through collapsed buildings in morocco after a powerful earthquake killed nearly 2,700 people, the new images of the destruction as scared residents sleep in the streets. also ahead, remembering 9/11, the new technology being used to identify victims 22 years after the attacks that changed the country. plus, day 12 in the man hunt for an escaped killer in pennsylvania. police about to hold a press conference after revealing the suspect has a new look and slipped through the search area in a stolen van. and a major update on the american man who was stranded thousands of feet under ground in a turkish cavement rescuers have him, and they could reach the surface in just a matter of hours. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with the desperate rescue mission underway in morocco as search teams dig through the rubble to reach

survivors. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from a remote village about 30 miles east of the epicenter. what is the situation right now? >> reporter: well, chris, you can see the son is going down in morocco and that is making an already fiendishly rescue effort all the more complicated. as you said, we are in a remote mountain village here. the roads that lead up to here are winding, they are narrow, they are treacherous. in some places, they are blocked by boulders and rock slides. that has made it very difficult to get the kind of heavy equipment up here that they need for this rescue effort. they are also coming to the end of what experts tell you is the golden window, the 72 hours healed after a disaster when you have the best chance of finding survivors. but rescue teams here say they are determined to continue working for as long as they possibly can, and in this community, we have seen both

professional international rescue teams. there were turkish and italian teams, and also volunteers who hand by patient hand have been sifting through the rubble, trying to save the lives of their neighbors. there was a rescue here earlier, which is giving people hope that there may be more survivors, but the toll here is absolutely devastating. this is a community of 3,000 people. locals tell us at least 40 people were killed in the quake on friday. that's more than 1% of the village's entire population. we met a man who lost not only his wife, but his three daughters and his baby son and, chris, we were up at his house earlier today. there is almost nothing left of it. this is a house made out of cinder blocks. a little bit of concrete in between them. and it is the kind of structure that really stood absolutely no chance in the face of an earthquake of this magnitude, chris. >> one of so many stories, raf

sanchez, thank you. we want to go live to pennsylvania, where state police are giving an update on the escaped convict, cavalcante. let's listen in. >> that brings the total reward up to $25,000 for information that leads to the capture of cavalcante. we remain concerned that kav can -- cavalcante will attempt to steal another vehicle to facilitate his escape. we ask for the public's help to familiarize themselves of the updated photographs and description of cavalcante to check security cameras they have, and to call us immediately if they believe they may have seen him. again, we ask residents to please secure homes, outbuildings and vehicles. it is imperative that anyone

with information about cavalcante call us immediately. anyone with information is asked to call our tip line at 767-562-2987. 717-562-2987. i know this is an extremely stressful time for the community. we are doing everything possible to bring this to a successful resolution as quickly as possible. i and all of us working on this every day appreciate all of the support that all of you have given. thank you very much for that support. at this time, we will be happy to take any questions that you might have. >> did you have evidence that someone has tried to help him? is that why you arrested the sister? >> the sister is an over stay, and she chose not to assist. and because of being in an over stay status, she has been entered into a deportation status and is being detained at this time. >> she wanted to help him, she

has not? >> she has not assisted. >> reporter: do you have any evidence of anybody else who has tried to help him? you just put a warning out there. you have people you know who did try to help. >> i'm cautioning people preemptively, and, yes, we are monitoring for any possible help in a variety of ways, and so what i would tell you is that if we detect assistance, that will be prosecuted. i'm not going to say anything further than that in terms of who may or may not have what i'm going to say is as a warning, you will be prosecuted. there is an alternative path to try and assist with his safe capture. >> i want to talk the time line here. so he shows up at these homes, 10:30 saturday night, but yet, people in the neighborhood say police weren't making checks until well after 2:00 in the morning. is there any kind of delay here for people? >> we weren't notified until

well after midnight of the sightings. >> reporter: two hours after he shows up at this house and has a conversation? >> at least two hours. >> reporter: 911 with that call from that family on the ring doorbell camera. can you walk us through the entire sequence? >> i'm not aware of any issues with the 911 system, and i'm not going to comment further. what i'm going to tell you, i have already laid out what the time line was and what i will tell you is that the individuals, so, for example, the one was not home at the time. they were utilizing a doorbell to speak with him. they arrived home some time later, reviewed the video and contacted local police. whatever occurred there, we were not a part of it. we received the notice and i gave you the time yesterday. i don't have it in front of me, but sometime around 12:30, as i recall, so after midnight when

we received the notice and our investigators then began working on that information. >> reporter: these are the two only places that you believe he was? there was a heavy police presence, he was knocking on doors. >> those were the only two that we have reports that he communicated with anyone. >> reporter: at this point, have there been any other visual confirmed sightings since that photograph was released. >> you believe he vanished without a trace. >> for a variety of reasons, i believe he's in pennsylvania. >> reporter: how many law enforcement personnel do you have working on this now, and have you brought in additional resources? >> that total right now is still probably hovering around the 300 mark, and, yes, we have brought in additional resources so we're switching some out. i described yesterday that today, as a matter of fact, we had planned a major push, and so there were a lot more uniform

resources. there were tactical teams, a very large number of tactical teams and a lot of other assets that would have been utilized. we have, instead, replaced some of those resources, certainly not all with other investigative resources because as i told you, the investigation has shifted, and so not only the state police, but our federal partners as well have brought in additional resources that we believe will be useful going forward. we collectively collect fugitive investigations every day of the year, and so this one is at a little different scale but it's the type of investigation, but it's the type of investigations each of our departments works on on a regular basis. >> why weren't there assets at these acquaintances homes before he made this appearance, and are you doing that moving forward in this investigation?

>> when you say acquaintances' homes, what i will tell you is these people had not, to my knowledge, had any contact with cavalcante for years. so they were not friends. they were prior work associates, for example, and they were not people that we would have expected or that we would have known even to contact, again, from the distant past. >> any reward of 50,000 or 100,000 to help bring it sooner than later? >> we're announcing that the reward is $25,000. i believe that's a lot of money. i'm hard pressed to believe that someone is sitting out there with information saying $25,000 is not enough. i suppose, you know, we'll consider things as we go forward, whether that will increase or not. but for right now, that seems to be a pretty reasonable amount. >> with no defined area of the search, are you 100% reliant on public tips in order to find

him? >> no. >> reporter: there have been a lot of reports or rumors that cavalcante's sister was seen near the perimeter. is there any truth to that that led to her arrest? >> i have heard those reports. her arrest was, again, because she is an overstay. that was a process that would play out for anyone in her same circumstance, and what i would say is she has failed to cooperate and so there was no value in law enforcement keeping her here at this point. >> reporter: communications with the sister and acquaintances, what do you know about the resources, cell phone money, food, what is he asking, can you divulge what kind of intelligence you gathered? >> i don't want to talk specifically about what i think he may or may not have or what he's looking for. those are all pieces of our investigation, but, i think, it's, again, fair to say, what i

have said all along, he needs additional help, resources for the long run, and he is seeking those. >> have you expanded the search to brooks county at all? >> we don't have a defined search area at this point, we are considering and certainly acting on and investigating any piece of information or a tip that we received. and so we follow those pieces of information, with our investigation, as we have done right from the very start. you know, regardless of where they are. there are areas that i described, for example, that may have a little more of our focus of some of our resources that are more visible. but, again, that certainly is not a limiter at all for everything else that we're doing. >> speaking generally, why do you believe he's still in pennsylvania? >> because i have no reason to believe that he is not. i don't believe he has the resources to get out of pennsylvania, and, again, other pieces of information that we have generated within in investigation lead me to believe

that he is still here. >> reporter: does he have any other family members here that you've contacted? >> i'm not going to talk about who we've contacted. he does still have some family and friends in the area, and we are aware of those. >> reporter: why the sister now? she previously testified at his trial, corroborated with prosecution. i assume her immigration status was known in august. why arrest her this week or last week? >> from my perspective, and while i don't have anything to do with the removal process, there is no reason for me to try to interfere in that process because she serves no value to the investigation, and she potentially could provide assistance, and i'm not confident that she would not in the future. >> reporter: can you talk about what led to the activity, since the doorbell, there weren't any confirmed sightings, can you

expand on that a little bit? >> we continue to receive a significant number of tips. again, we will follow up on all of those. we have things that we are doing proactively, and you may see activity as a result of that. and i said there are other things that may not be so obvious that you won't see that are going on as well. >> reporter: the search efforts and the whole area, you spoke about yesterday how he managed to stay outside of the perimeter. what kind of challenges are you facing? >> similar challenges in terms of the search efforts. similar challenges to what we have faced previously to this point. unfortunately, we don't have a containment area right now, so that's another, you know, another concern and another challenge. but, again, we're working through all of that, trying to pull together pieces of information so we can narrow a search area, and ultimately use those tools to be able to capture him.

>> reporter: the previous search report? >> i don't have a definitive answer on that. i have my theories of how that happened, and i have those theories because i'm aware of the weaknesses that were in there. i explained yesterday that no perimeter is 100% secure. it's not a wall. it doesn't have a ceiling, all of the things that you might normally use if you're trying to contain someone. we use the human element. we use technology. and so forth. to be able to try and secure the perimeter as best we can. i'm aware with some of the weaknesses, longwood gardens presented unique challenges, and i believe he exploited those weaknesses. >> reporter: do you know that mistakes were made? >> i don't know that i would characterize it as a weakness, without knowing specifically what happened, what i would tell you is that i had concerns. i knew there were weaknesses in that perimeter. it was a very strong perimeter as far as perimeters go, but

there are always weaknesses and that place posed some very unique challenges. perhaps when this is all over, i can talk about some of those, but it was a very difficult place to try and secure. >> reporter: lieutenant colonel, you've got a far bigger area and no perimeter. >> no, sir, we conduct fugitive investigations every day across the year in this commonwealth, as do our partners who are standing here with me. each one of them poses a challenge, we are most successful in those. most don't lead to a protracted search like this. i'm confident that using all of those resources, we will bring this to a successful conclusion as well. >> any reports of men and women on the ground with you, federal, state and county law enforcement, and local law enforcement working together to say. >> certainly today is a day of

remembrance and our thoughts and prayers go to the victims of 9/11. what i will tell you is the men and women working on this investigation are not pausing or taking a break. they are actively working and doing their jobs because that's what people expect them to do. >> reporter: i have a question for rob clark, as far as -- >> 12 days after danelo cavalcante escaped from prison, he's still at large. they believe he's still in pennsylvania because they don't believe he has the resources to be otherwise. they're depending a lot on what they're hearing from the public, including these doorbell cams. i want to bring in nbc's marissa parra who has been covering this story for days from pennsylvania. what are your other headlines from this briefing? >> reporter: one thing that stood out to me is we heard that the last visual sighting, confirmed visual sighting was the ring doorbell camera photos that we know were taken on saturday. we know that since then, there

were some spottings, but not on camera. not in the same way that we have from those ring doorbell cameras, where, again, those images show a drastically new look. remember, before, he was supporting facial hair. clean shaven, a new sweatshirt, a new hat. one of the things you may have noticed here, they really stressed this idea of who could be helping him, and really warning anyone who might be listening not to. saying we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. there were a lot of warnings. he reiterated that several times, not confirming that he knew of any instances of cavalcante being helped but saying it's something they are, quote, monitoring. there was some really careful language throughout that. it's understandable, given the fact that we know he has broken into one home, stolen provisions, food. when you see him in new clothes, and you see him clearly freshly shaven of course begs the question, did he steal a razor

or was he given a razor. did he steal a sweatshirt or was he given the sweatshirt. law enforcement says they are doing what they have to do to make sure people are not helping him. one final thing to leave you, they are stressing lock your homes and your cars. they believe he's still in pennsylvania, but he's looking, they believe, for another car to steal so that he can go further and so do not leave your keys inside of car. the van had the keys inside of that van when he stole it on saturday. they're saying lock everything down. this is a man who is desperate to get things, and he will do what it takes to get those things to help himself. in a dramatic trip with huge geopolitical implications, south korea news outlets report that kim jong un is on his personal armored train right now, and headed for russia after an invitation confirmed today by the kremlin, this is his first trip out of north korea since the pandemic, and while it

remains unclear whether kim will personally meet with vladimir putin, the kremlin says a sit-down between the two leaders would take place if necessary escalating concerns about a potential arms deal to aid moscow's war in ukraine. let's bring in retired admiral james stavridis, former supreme allied leader of nato, and msnbc chief international analyst, so we know what they have said, if there's an invitation from the kremlin, and kim gets on his train, his armored train, very slowly, making his way to russia, is there anything to expect but a meeting from putin, and one that will have implications for ukraine. >> 100%, he'll meet with putin, and i'm on my personal armored train right now, and i can tell you, they move very slowly. it will take a couple of days. in all seriousness, chris, this meeting will happen, it will happen probably in the next 24 hours. he's not going to spend a lot of

time on his personal armored train. he will hold the meeting and the question is what are the implications for the war in ukraine? >> what will the u.s. and allies be looking for, admiral? >> exactly. they're worrisome, but they are not devastating. in other words, what putin wants is ammunition. he wants capacity on low end military capabilities such as armored shells, maybe tanks, but not super high end, what kim wants out of this meeting is international respect. this kind of discussion of him on media all around the world, and he wants high end military technology, potentially nuclear submarine assistance. these are two mafia gangs meeting together to further their own end game. i'll close with this.

for vladimir putin, there's an element of humiliation here in the sense that he has to turn to a compete pariah state for assistance. he is in increasingly difficult straits in enforcing this war in ukraine. >> what are the chances he doesn't get any of what he wants, and what are you going to be watching for very specifically, and will we know specifically what comes out of this meeting? >> i think we will. both from the perspective of the two of them will find it irresistible to do a photo op and to mention there's going to be military assistance going from north korea to russia. kim will want that. he'll want to show that he's helping, that he's a significant international actor, and then secondly, believe me, u.s. intelligence will let us know. we want to shine a spotlight on this. there will be consequences for both nations before this. and it's going to be known, and i would say within the next

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up. and they have granted authorization for these updated vaccines to individuals six months to eleven years. what the fda's job, chris, is to do is to authorize and approve medications, vaccines, et cetera. it is up to the cdc, who is meeting tomorrow to give us better guidance on who should be receiving these updated shots. and i think we're going to start hearing the terminology changing as well, chris, rather than calling things boosters, i think that the cdc is going to try to communicate that this is going to turn into possibly an annual vaccine much like the flu shot, but again, which individuals are going to be prioritized for the shot. we will find out tomorrow. of course it's our expectation that they will include individuals 65 and older, people who are immunocompromised,

pregnant women and that sort of thing. in terms of the general population, it remains to be seen and heard how they weigh in on that. >> it struck me. we got this statement from the fda, and i'm reading from it right now under what you need to know. individuals five years of age and older, regardless of previous vaccination status. so that does not mean a booster, even if this is your first shot, get it, right? >> yeah, and they already tried, you know, i think last year to communicate to individuals that rather than thinking about, oh, did i get one, and did i get two, and it was four weeks apart, and three weeks apart, which was complicated, and perhaps necessarily so just based on the biology of the vaccines at the time. last year, i think there was an effort, you know, to try to steam line that communication and make it easier for people to think about, rather than thinking about i need two shots four weeks apart, go in once a year, like you get your flu shot. you can get your covid shot at

the same time, same arm, if you want to, and i think that's what we're seeing, especially with the kids, kids are different. they sometimes do require one shot in everything, parents out there who are lifting, definitely something you want to talk to your pediatrician about, based on when and if your child receives a previous vaccine. that's more nuanced for the young ones than grow ups. >> you see patients with post covid-19 issues. i have family members with long covid. what impact do you hope this new booster might have, and what's your message to folks who are like, i've already had the shots or frankly people who are skeptical about its ability to keep them from getting covid, and, you know, kind of reject the idea that, well, it really doesn't stop anybody from getting it. >> yeah, it's a lot, chris, and you know, you have personal experience with this, and i've said recently, too, probably there's not a lot of people out there who don't know someone in

their world who's experienced symptoms related to long covid. i think for most people who hear this, and they don't self-identify as being in that vulnerable group, they may ask themselves, why do i keep on needing to get this shot as we know the whole process and experience was deeply politicized. you know, i would say this, that without masks and without social distancing, and the further away you are from an initial vaccine series, let's say, you really are kind of a sitting duck to get this illness again. and we all know know from three years of experience that you don't need to have severe disease to have long-term sequelae. so what does the vaccine provide you? well, it provides you with short-term protection against infection. we know the antibiotics that you develop protect you from getting

the sore throat and sniffles, they go away, but the other part of the immune system that's triggered is much more durable, and that will still protect you potentially from severe disease. the hope of course is that by getting a vaccine and getting a yearly, you know, in air quote, booster, will prevent severe infection, of course, lower the viral load if you do get infected and we hope and based on evidence that could prevent long-term consequences in the form of long covid. what i think happened in the beginning, chris, is we had this idea that this would be a short lived pandemic, that we would all, you know, stay home for two weeks, and it would go away or that we would get one or two shots, and it would be gone. it's not. it's an endemic virus that we will have to deal with like the flu. that's it. that's how you weigh it. everybody comes at this different.

i don't think it's a one size fits all, i would urge people to become as informed as possible about the potential consequences of not vaccinating and make a decision that's right for them. >> dr. natalie azar who got on the phone very quickly for us. thank you very much for that. >> you bet. >> there's a little part of this as well, and can covid be a deciding factor in the 2024 election? well, listening to donald trump and ron desantis over the weekend, they sound determined to make it one, even though the vast majority of the public has already moved on. >> the radical democrats are trying hard to restart covid hysteria, i wonder why, is there an election coming up by any chance. i saw every day for the first time, we're thinking about masks again, oh, what's going on, that's right, there's an election coming up. >> when you have people going back to restrictions and mandates, this shows that this issues has not died. this shows that if we don't

bring accountability with my administration, they are going to keep trying to do this. >> so the truth. as of right now, no federal mandates or state mandates exist, none are being publicly discussed. in fact, last thursday, newsweek magazine published what it said was a full list of schools with mask mandates or restrictions in place. out of more than 100,000 schools and universities in the u.s. five were listed. among them, an elementary school in which only a single classroom was impacted. i want to bring in ohio's former republican governor and msnbc political analyst, john kasich. never let the facts get in the way of a good political argument i guess is the story here, governor kasich. to the point of 2024, is this going to be a viable national political issue? >> well, i think we've learned a lot in this country about how to handle this, and i think you're going to see a whole different

situation here when it comes to this. but, you know, chris, it's truly amazing, isn't it, when we see national tragedies or national perilous times in the past seem to bring us together. today's 9/11. we were together for a short period of time, and then kind of moved away. and my concern is that we're at a point in our country where we're so polarized that i just -- i don't see the way out in terms of how single individuals can help get us out of this mess. i've mentioned before, frankly, in order to get through all of this i think we need some sort of a spiritual revival, where people will respect one another, realize we're all made in the image of god, and that we can discuss these very tough issues without having to verbalize them in such strong ways that they become political fodder.

and, look, i respect those people that don't want to take the vaccine, whatever. i can respect those people that don't want to wear a mask and all that. at the end of the day, everybody has to decide for themselves, what's in the public health interest and the community's interest, and i think we're going to a learn a lot. from the way we handled things before, we really didn't know how we were going to deal with things. it's not just the issue of covid. there's so many issues that polarize us, separate us from one another, that bring anger into this country, we need a unification, if america is going to be as strong as it possible can be. >> part of the problem, though, really is the disinformation, right? and it gets embedded and you see the continuing disinformation that is out there. one of the most famous examples came from donald trump himself while he was still in the white

house, and i'm going to play that. >> we brought together experts across the spectrum. >> all right. that was supposed to be where, you know, he says use ultra violate light or drinking bleach, all of those things that were preposterous on their face. here's a problem, there was a new poll done last month, misinformation is alive and well, 33% of americans believe that covid vaccines have caused thousands of sudden deaths in otherwise healthy people. 32% believe a treatment for worms is an effective treatment for covid-19, and 20% believe more people have died from covid vaccine than from covid itself. in fact, one presidential candidate said that on the debate stage. once it's in the public psyche, it's hard to make a dent, isn't it, and then when you start talking about, and you and i have talked about this off camera, trying to figure out how to bring people together when

people's sense of what they believe are facts are so far apart, it's really hard to do that. >> chris, and the problem is we get in our silos. i'm in one silo, and i think everything is bad about the other side, and then i start eating this information and because it's sort of affirms what i think. and it's on all sides. it's not just related to one side. it's not just related to republicans. this being trapped in our silos, and being unwilling to consider what other people, you know, have to say. the fact is they need to be respected and not just shouted down or demonized is a problem. i would encourage people -- what i try to do is search the medial landscape, and i try to use my brain to figure out what makes sense, and i think that's what the public should do. figure out what makes sense. the public is pretty smart as

long as they're able to get out of their silo, and as long as they're willing to realize when something is misinformed as opposed to being informed, and then, chris, i don't want to keep going back and beating the same drum but we need something greater than all of ourselves to lift us out of this. we have seen this happen throughout the history of our country. we saw it with the great awakening, where we saw the spread of universities, and we saw togetherness. we saw it with the social gospel and the early 20th century which turned us from an "i" country to a "we" country. i think we have something special, frankly, that i think comes from above. i'm not here to say one's right and one's wrong, i'm here to say something greater than all of us has to provide a revelation that we are all in this together. everyone is made in the image of god. everyone deserves respect, everyone deserves to be listened

to. doesn't mean we have to agree with them. in the end. it's the way in which we treat another individual, and i'm starting to notice that more and more commentators are beginning to talk about this, the fact that we need something bigger than ourselves to convince ourselves that we need a life a little bit bigger than ourselves. >> you know, i'm thinking about what mayor adams said this morning, that the thing to remember is not what happened on 9/11 but what happened on september 12th, and the way americans came together, new yorkers came together, all walks of life, everyone did that, and on this day, it's a good thought to leave folks with, so i appreciate you coming on and saying that. former governor john kasich. good to see you, my friend. >> thank you, chris. always a pleasure. frat houses, football, flipping burgers, of course, former president trump's big return to the campaign trail as his rival chris christie throws him a new challenge. we'll talk about that next. chal. we'll talk about that next mpic®z . ♪ ♪

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. as former president donald trump was drawing big crowds in iowa and south dakota over the weekend, his rival, chris christie, threw down a challenge. meet us at the debates or i'll meet you out on the trail. >> if he doesn't do the debates, we're going to give him another chance. i'm sure he's not coming to the reagan debate. if he doesn't come there, i'm going to follow him around the country. wherever he goes, i'll go.

and we'll wind up talking to each other one way or the another. and he knows that's true. >> you're going to change your travel schedule to go where trump goes, just so i'm clear. >> you bet. >> let's bring in nbc news senior politics reporter, jonathan allen and susan del percio, msnbc political analyst and republican strategist. i don't know, would trump love it if chris christie was following him around? might it convince him to participate in the debates? is this just chris christie figuring, well, that's one way to get attention. i don't know. what do you make of that? >> it's one way for him to get attention. i would like to highlight that chris christie would be probably spending a lot of time around courtrooms to get donald trump's attention given all the upcoming trials he's facing. christie wants to draw trump out, and he knows how to get under trump's skin. i'm not saying this will do the job. i agree with chris christie, he's not going to the reagan library for the next debate, but

maybe the following. what we're seeing with donald trump is that while he's still leading in the polls by huge numbers, the more he's disconnected from the voters on the ground in states like iowa and new hampshire, the more he starts just -- people are splintering away, and the reason why he's away is because of his legal woes. that kind of gives people some disconcerning feelings towards him. >> over the weekend, jonathan, nbc news reported that some of trump's top aides and allies are concerned about his lagging iowa campaign operation but he was in the state this weekend, courting the youth vote, tailgating at the big iowa, iowa state football game. look at him flipping burgers, how often do you think he's done that. he even visited a fraternity house, insert jokes there. are we seeing a renewed push by team trump in iowa. do they think they can win this time?

what's happening there? >> i think team trump has been strapped for cash. you don't see the big rallies that are very expensive and produce little on the back end, the iowa, you know, iowa state football game is a good opportunity for him to, you know, reach a lot of iowans, both personally and on television, a big game without having to spend a ton of money to do it. i think what's going on in trump world is there are some people that are worried he's not doing as much on the ground as he would like. they don't see his team door knocking everywhere they would like. on the other hand, they're looking at independent polling, up by 35, 36 points, and really doesn't have any reason to be concerned about desantis or anybody else catching him right away? >> the issue of age came up on the campaign trail over the weekend, we asked iowa voters if they are concern not just about joe biden but donald trump, because they are in their 70s and 80s. here's what they told us.

>> i do think that you get older and it's a little harder, but i think he's done already. i do agree that there could be concerns, but i think he's doing fine. >> do you want to see someone younger in office? >> yes. >> to me, if you can do the job, you can do the job. i don't care how old you are. i don't care if you're 20 or 90. >> let's get somebody else in there. >> do you know how old biden and trump are? >> they're close to 80, right? >> 77 and 80. >> a new cbs yougov poll shows maximum age limits for elected office, one of those guys is in the majority. it's one of the few things democrats and republicans agree on. like many things americans agree on, you've got to wonder will anything change as a result? i mean, it sure looks like where we are right now, susan is that both of these men are headed

for the nominations. >> yes, they are, and when you hear that the majority of americans by overwhelming numbers do not want to see a biden trump match up, this is in part why. they don't want to see two old white guys who are doing a rinse and repeat. they want to see innovation. they want to see younger people. they want to see energy come to go this country. people with a vision. now, joe biden is taking a bigger hit on age than donald trump for sure, and it's almost laughable given the three-year age difference. it's playing up against joe biden, and that's something he has to be concerned about. he's being defined by the republicans on this issue and hasn't found the right answer yet. >> meanwhile, john, you have some exclusive new reporting that was quite the topic of conversation in our morning meeting about trump's post presidential office. you describe it as hiding in plain sight. i'm going to quote from the

article, trump's web site doesn't list the address which is about a ten-min drive from his mar-a-lago club. there's no seal on the door, and the name trump, a brand the former president estimates to be worth billions of dollars is nowhere to be found. it's so hush hush, his spokesperson, steven chung claims no knowledge of his existence. what more can you tell us? >> that's the perfect question, chris. what i can tell you is what we don't know. what we don't know is what's in the boxes that are in the office. people in there say there are bankers boxes like the ones we saw at mar-a-lago piled up in that office. i can tell you that there are aides who are on trump's political payroll, either his save america political action committee or his campaign in one case someone is on both payrolls who works out of that office, according to people who are familiar with the comings and goings there. that is a government-leased

office, so it's not clear whether there are any precautions that trump is taking, to make sure political aides are doing government work, rather than political work. perhaps the most interesting thing, chris, when mar-a-lago was raided on august 8th, 2022, there was a box that included classified information in it that was in that office that was later moved to mar-a-lago after the raid. what we know is that the trump lawyers have hired a private team that searched this office as well as some other locations looking for classified documents. but it is not apparent that the fbi or the special counsel's office, fbi working on to the special counsel's office has actually searched this premise. so a lot of questions raised by this office that really is hiding in plain sight. and let me say one more thing, chris. i don't know if that was a beer in the hand of that guy at the iowa/iowa state game. if we're going to have political conversations with voters that have beer in their hand, i say we do that with the folks on the

set as well. >> i have no comment on any of this. at all. but i appreciate you being part of this. >> i'm thinking of you, i'm thinking of you, chris. >> you knew exactly what was going through my mind when that was playing. okay. thank you, john, thank you, susan. coming up, the clock ticking down to a possible auto workers strike with billions of dollars on the line. can a solution be found in time? we'll be right back. have fun, sis! ♪♪ can't stop adding stuff to your cart? get the bank of america customized cash rewards card, choose the online shopping category and earn 3% cash back. a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition that urologists can diagnose and have been treating for more than 8 years with xiaflex®, the only fda-approved nonsurgical treatment

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hawaii's most active volcano began erupting for a second time in three month, at times, spewing lava hundreds of feet into the air. officials say its location deep in a national park poses no immediate threat to people or property. but experts will be watching. a 2018 eruption caused tens of thousands of earthquakes and destroyed 700 homes, according to the park as much as. its most recent eruption back in june lasted 12 days. meantime, the u.s. auto industry is racing towards a potentially disastrous deadline. contract talks between the united auto workers and the big three detroit car companies are in a critical phase. the union says members will walk off the job if a new deal isn't in place by thursday night when the current contract expires.

we're talking about 146,000 workers. cnbc's contessa brewer joins me now for cnbc on msnbc. hey, contessa. i think it's the first time, right, the uaw has gone on strike against each of the three at the same time. >> that's correct. >> tell us a little bit more. >> chris, when the contracts expire at 11:59 thursday night, a walkout could immediately disrupt business in detroit and dozens of factories. delaying the rollout of electric vehicles, and potentially costing the auto makers billions in profits, the anderson economic group estimates a ten-day uaw strike would translate to a more than 5 1/2 billion dollars hit to the u.s. gross domestic product. for perspective here, in 2019, when 46,000 workers walked off their jobs at gm alone, it cost the company $3.6 billion. the union has some big demands,

an hourly pay raise of 40%. let me show it to you, a 32-hour workweek, and they want pensions restored. the president of the united auto workers keeps saying record profits mean record contracts. stellantis which makes jeep, ford, and gm together posted about $100 billion in profits from 2020 through june of this year, and the union says a lot of those profits should be reinvested in the workers, chris. >> we've only got a short time left, tessa, what would this mean for other auto makers, let's say tesla. >> even without the strike you're looking at a competitive advantage because the detroit three want their piles of cash to invest in electric vehicle technology that would help them compete against tesla. well, they think that tesla pays about $45 an hour in labor costs. if uaw gets what it's demanding, the hourly wages or costs go

from $66, chris, to $136. so that's a competitive disadvantage against tesla. >> contessa brewer, always good to see you. appreciate it. >> that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" after the break. h "katy tur reports" after the break.

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