good to be with you, i'm katy tur. buckle up for -- now he's filed a motion to appeal. what he's asking the court to do while that plays out. and what the judge's decision to remand his case back to state court means for the former president. does he have a stronger case, or is it a weaker one to make. and what do all of these motions and appeals to remove mean for the october 23rd trial date. does it happen with just two codefendants, sidney powell and kenneth chesebro or will there be others. d.a. fani willis is holding out hope she can try everyone together. what we could hear from prosecutors today. we have flutter in the jack

smith documents case, where judge aileen cannon has a big decision to make, is she going to throw out the testimony of tabarras, the team member who's cooperating with the team. ken, good to have you. talk to me about the meadows appeal and the request he's making of the court while the appeal goes forward. >> he's requesting that the judge grant a temporary stay of his own order. which ruled obviously that mark meadows could not have his case removed to federal court but that it should go back down to state court. meadows is saying he could be irreparably harmed by this decision. he wants to appeal and have the judge put a pause on things while he appeals. if this judge doesn't do that, he's going to ask the appeals court to do that. generally you get a stay if you have a chance of winning on appeal, and this judge's opinion was pretty resounding that mark meadows didn't meet any of the

tests to remove his case to federal court, and what the judge said is it was clear that mark meadows, when lobbying georgia state officials on behalf of donald trump, asking them to investigate bogus allegations of fraud and the election that he was doing that on behalf of the trump campaign, not as part of his role as the chief of staff to the president and the judge went through point by point all of his actions in a detailed ruling. hard for me to imagine that he would get this stay. anything is possible. the judge may decide out of a matter of fairness he would give it to meadows to allow him to appeal. >> what about the other codefendants who have filed to get their case removed. what does this mean for the likelihood that it happens for them? i'm not talking about donald trump because donald trump is a different case. what about the other 18 or 17 codefendants? >> i think it makes it clear that this is a really hard case for them to make. if mark, the chief of staff to the president can argue that almost anything he does on behalf of the president, you know, arguably fits into his

governmental duties, and that's what meadows tried to argue, part of the job is to arrange meetings, be on phone calls, including the phone call between donald trump and the georgia secretary of state, asking him to find votes. the judge said, look, you may have arranged the phone call and spoke on the phone call, and you were urging georgia officials to investigate bogus allegations of fraud, and that went beyond the scope of your official duties, and it seems that would apply to anyone else in the situation including, by the way, donald trump. >> what about what prosecutors have to do by noon tomorrow to respond to mark meadows' request for an appeal and to stay the decision until then. >> yeah, i mean, they're going to no doubt point to what the judge said in that ruling, which is that they have a resounding case that, you know, the law is on their side here. they're going to argue against the stay because they're going to say that mark meadows does not have a good chance of winning on appeal, and we'll have to see where that goes.

>> ken dilanian, thank you very much for starting us off. joining us is lisa rubin, and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, an msnbc legal analyst. let's talk about donald trump. the other codefendants don't have the same resume or don't have the same cv as mark meadows, don't have the same cv agz the former president. it might be harder to make the argument that this should be tried in federal court but the president was the president at the time. does he still have a case? in reading between the lines for the decision against mark meadows, does the president have a better argument in there that mark meadows did not? >> i don't think so. and it isn't because of the position that he held but the nature of the conduct that he was engaging in. so for mark meadows, for example, he was the chief of staff, he was a federal official at the time. what the judge looked at was the nature of the conduct? he was engaging in political activity, campaign activity, not government, and similarly,

donald trump was engaging in the same kind of conduct. he was pressuring officials in the state of georgia to change the outcome of the election. he was pressuring individuals who were poll workers. that is campaign activity. that is not governing. and so i don't expect the decision to be any different whether it's mark meadows, donald trump or any of the other defendant sgls do you expect him to file a motion to do so? he hasn't officially filed a motion to remove his case yet. does this make his lawyers think maybe it's not a good idea. maybe it's not even worth it. >> i think on the merit, it's probably not worth it. most lawyers would make the assessment based on what happened to mark meadows. the name of the game is delay, to gum up the work, any days, weeks or months that he can delay this day of reckoning is valuable to donald trump. >> let's dwell on mark meadows and the trial date we have coming fast approaching, this

october 23rd trial date. here's what meadows' lawyers are saying about asking for the stay. they say at minimum the court should stay the remand order to protect meadows from a conviction pending appeal. absent a stay, the state will continue seeking to try meadows 42 days from now on october 23rd. if the states gets its way, meadows could be forced to go to trial and could be convicted and incarcerated before the standard time line for a federal appeal would play out. they have a point with that? >> no, i don't think so. particularly not in this case. this is one of the instances where i wish i could call back to tim russert and his white board so i could game out how long each of these processes might take. we know from judge scott mcafee's hearing next week, he's not inclined to try the other 17 on the same time frame. one of the reasons wasn't a concern about their due process rights and fairness to them but because of the removal -- >> logistically. >> let's say for the sake of

argument he was willing to try them starting on october 23rd, i think and i'm curious to know whether barb agrees that that trial could take so long that you could exhaust all of meadows' appellate rights between then and the conclusion of that trial. in particular, judge mcafee voted that voir dire, the prose process of selecting a jury would take several months, and the d.a.'s estimate was it will take four months to try the case with 150 witnesses. one of those two things can't be true. if they intend to call 150 witnesses across four months, my guess is that 150 witnesses would take well longer than four months, particularly if you've got 17 defendants, each with the right to cross examine those witnesses, either they intend to bring fewer than 150 witnesses or we're looking at something that is going to be far in excess of four months. >> should we expect a severance for meadows coming sooner or

later, he's not going to be in the october 23rd trial date, it will just be sidney powell and kenneth chesebro. >> that's my expectation, we're going to see scott mcafee hold a hearing over not only ken chesebro's right to see grand jury information but about this specific issue of whether to sever the other 17 and whether to set a trial date at all or leave it for a point in time at which mark meadows' removal motions and those of the other four people who have filed their own removal motions are fully disposed of. that's what i expect to happen on thursday. >> barb, is your expectation in line with lisa's? >> it is. i think despite fani willis's wish to try all of these people together, i think the judge is going to give the remaining 17 additional time that they want. i think it's only reasonable to give them more than just a couple of months to put their ducks in a row and get ready for trial. it's a big phase. for those who demanded a speedy

trial, they have a right for that. i expect it will get severed and the other proceed. >> let's talk about florida for a second. we haven't gone back to florida for a little while, the classified documents case, last news we had was a worker at mar-a-lago had changed lawyers and then recanted his testimony, and became a cooperating witness for jack smith, basically calling into question what happened with those boxes. his former lawyer who's i believe also a trump affiliated lawyer is saying that his testimony should be thrown out citing potential grand jury abuse. what does that mean? >> i think what he's trying to say, and, again, this is my understanding, is that stan woodward, the lawyer for walt nauta and used to represent both nauta and, once they imposed

another lawyer, got him to appeal off and enter into a grand jury arrangement. his solution would be to get tavaras from testifying. i think that's unlikely, and what's more likely to happen is walt nauta's lawyer is blocked from doing the cross-examination as a cooperating witness at trial because he used to represent him, and therefore has knowledge in his possession that could be used against his former client. >> complicating, barbara, what do you think? >> there's nothing, we know from the superseding indictment, they added, the idea that he got a new lawyer doesn't seem

inappropriate. there is a sealed filing that we don't know the content of. based on what is known in the public domain right now, i don't see any reason that the judge should suppress the testimony of taveras which i think will be an important witness. >> i've heard prosecutorial misconduct in some way or another. we have had a lawyer come on our show say that about tim parlatore, and his experience with the team. and this lawyer saying potential grand jury abuse. is it going to hold water, the idea that the special counsel's team is not acting by the book. i know it's hard to see because we don't have all the evidence ahead of us. do you have any sense there could be an argument made there? >> facts matter and if there's something in the briefs we don't know, perhaps, but based on wla we know in the public domain, i don't see any prosecutorial

misconduct. defense attorneys like to throw around allegations, put pressure on prosecutors to shrink from their duty. i don't think they're going to find a willing audience here. i think when you're representing a high profile client like the former president, there is a goal about poisoning the public opinion by suggesting that there is prosecutorial misconduct going on here. those are accusations you can take seriously. >> we have to wait to see what other evidence does or doesn't come out on that. we haven't seen everything. it's hard to tell from this vantage point. coming up next, he's been showing up at former coworkers houses. police have not captured danelo cavalcante, where he could be now. we are approaching the 72 hour golden window to find most survivors. we are on the ground in morocco. and can he make a deal to

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is nbc news correspondent, marissa parra. what i find interesting is he has been to two coworkers' houses. i'm surprised police weren't at those homes expecting him. there's also news about his sister. what can you tell us about what we learned and what they are doing now that this is in its 12th day? >> reporter: you mentioned one of the things that they're doing differently now. they don't have a perimeter. they said they have increased police presence. in certain areas. they mentioned east mansfield township, northern chester county. for anyone familiar following this, that is where the van, the stolen dairy farm van was found abandoned early sunday morning. they defended so far all of the choices, the decisions they made. you played a sound byte from the lieutenant who has been giving these press conferences, these updates, talking about the challenges they had at longwood gardens, and defending what they have done so far, talking about

the challenges with topography, the heat, the rainmaking it harder to track by scent as well as the construction sites, drainage ditches and tunnels running through and under, if you will, the long wood gardens area, the botanical gardens which are densely wooded. this is an agile man. when he was wanted for homicide in 2017, he evaded in authorities by living the jungles of brazil to make his great escape. this isn't his first time doing this. when we talk about what we learned from this press conference today, you mentioned an important point, and that was something that people and the room had asked about, was do you have a list? how much help do you think he's getting, do you have any confirmation he's getting help, and they were kind of vague with their answers. probably by strategy. they were not keen on telling us whether they have confirmation that he was getting any help. that was where they were a little bit more vague.

they have made a list. they have compiled a list who people who have known him in some capacity, that's what they told us in the press conference. they did give a stern warning. it was not vague at you will a. they were very clear that anyone who was caught helping him will be prosecuted. there were a couple of questions on is the current situation with his sister also a warning? is that a tactic to try to get cavalcante to cooperate. he said he would not answer that. but some other key points that were interesting from this press conference, we learned that those images from the ring doorbell camera, right, we have those photos now of him wearing new clothes. he's got a freshly shaven face. of course there's questions on whether did he get the razor, did he take the razor, was he given the razor. we don't have an answer to that now. we learned today there was a conversation that was had between the owner of the doorbell camera a, the old

associate of cavalcante, and cavalcante himself. it wasn't in english. it was in portuguese. he described it as a conversation that seemed urgent as well as someone who was talking to someone who he hadn't talked to in a while, katy. so what we have learned from the press conference is they believe he is desperate. they believe he's still in pennsylvania. we did ask why, and he said we don't have any reason to believe he's not. everyone that lives in this area and the state, whether it's, you know, across state lines or not, they're asking people to lock their homes, not just the homes, but also their cars, because that van that was stolen had the keys inside of the van, katy, so they're saying, don't make this any easier for him. this is a man who is desperate to get what he needs, and he will do whatever it takes to get it. >> thank you very much. call it deja vu, what is threatening speaker kevin mccarthy's gavel this time.

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i had a home and a family, now i have nothing. >> that man lost his wife, his three daughters, and his baby

son in the 6.8 magnitude earthquake that struck morocco. he's one of 300,000 people the u.n. estimates has been affected. the earthquake's death toll is nearing 2,700 at least, and another 2,500 have been injured, again, at least. rescue and recovery workers are still digging through the rubble to find people, hoping to get as many as possible during what is known as the 72-hour golden window. and with the threat of after shocks looming, many survivors are now sleeping outside. sky news chief correspondent stewart ramsey is in eagle where crews are trying to reach the most remote and hardest hit villages in the atlas mountains. >> reporter: battered and bruised but alive. high in the atlas mountains, a survivor carried out by soldiers. many thought it would take a miracle for people to be alive up here. this was a day of miracles.

cut off for days with no help, these communities had to wait. finally, it arrived. slowly but surely, they're carried down when they're found. the earthquake destruction of some of these mountains was complete, just a handful of people escaped from this town. everyone else died. the rescues put on to trucks to begin a journey down the mountain to the valley floor and medical treatment. the people coming off the mountain is taking the rescue teams a long time to get here, but they're getting off injured. they haven't been there long. but people are now coming out. many thought there would be no survivors here, but there clearly were. they're going to have to dig them out. they have come down, but there will be no doubt other teams going up. many thought that this community in particular, it's taken us a long time to get here, everyone

would be dead, but they're clearly not. some have given up waiting with what they could carry, they walked. in some cases for a day just to get to towns that themselves have only just been reached in the past few hours. for survivors, all have terrible stories of fear and loss. >> translator: my house fell down, gone, it collapsed on me and my family. i rescued my two daughters and their mother, but i lost my other two children, and i have no furniture, nothing left. >> the speed of the rescue operation has been criticized here. they're having to deliver aid to remote area by helicopter, the roads are impassable. this can be traumatic for the survivors. they're dropping aid so low that

wash of rotor blades destroys what's left of the home damaged from the earthquake. the mountain roads so dangerous, they have no choice but to deploy the army on foot. we joined them as they began their mission to reach towns and villages that still have nothing. we soon discovered that wherever they could get to, people were in desperate need of help. meza and her husband rasheed couldn't stay in their village. she is nine months pregnant and couldn't have a baby in the ruins. >> i came with him today because there's no place left to stay. i left my partners there in the village. i don't know if they will be alive or not. i don't know if i'll see them again or not. and my brothers and sisters also. >> reporter: there are dozens more villages and towns like the ones we reached, battered and without power or water. when the rescuers arrived, the last survivors had taken away.

very soon, they may not find anyone left to rescue. >> stewart ramsey from sky news. joining us is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley. talk to me a little more about the criticism for the rescue effort. what are people saying? >> reporter: when i spoke with people in the high atlas mountains, we heard them. they weren't all that critical of the government, but still, you know, we didn't see much of a government presence. we saw the entire day one military ambulance, that was really it. this was a hard hit village where something like 90 to 100 people had been killed. they were burying the dead on their own, putting up tents on their own, and i saw one man going in and taking lumber from one of the destroyed houses to prop up the tent housing his family and others. there doesn't seem like there was much of a government presence.

people in this area, warned all of that critical, but the fact is that aid has been slow. there hasn't been much of a presence, and i think that people are getting increasingly angry. but they really, the feeling that i was getting is that they weren't expecting much from the government to begin with. most of the aid was coming from civil society groups and neighbors. they were describing how these villages are like families, and they wanted to help out each other. this is survival diy, everything that was coming was people digging out their own neighbors with their own hands. it's not like some of the disaster zones i have been to in the past, where you see rescue workers with sophisticated equipment. this wasn't that. this was ordinary people doing the task that government and rescue workers should be doing three days after this massive earthquake, katy. >> this is a 6.8 magnitude earthquake, that's huge. the atlas mountains very much devastated. what are you seeing in marikesh.

>> reporter: here walking around, the damage has not been all that bad, and folks did feel a lot of tremors, the thing you notice most is everything is in tact but people are on the streets because they're terrified of after shocks, so while, yes, there isn't much damage in the city itself, there has been some damage to the older buildings in the medina or old city, which is sort of this warren of labyrinth of alleyways, it's a unesco heritage site. the lingering problem is the terror of having to go through the experience again with after shocks. >> matt bradley, thank you very much. coming up next, what the big three auto makers are doing to prepare for the possibility of almost 150,000 auto workers walking off the job this week. also, kim jong un is heading to russia. what a meeting with vladimir

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when the house returns from its august recess tomorrow, they're only going to have 11 working days to avoid a government shutdown. by most accounts, kevin mccarthy is stressed about it. "politico" is calling september mccarthy's month of reckoning,

describing it as a nightmarish fall. not only is time not on speaker mccarthy's side to pass essentially federal funding the end of this month, it doesn't appear his conference is on his side either. joining us now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. talk to me about the deadline first, and, you know, all the options that we have in front of us for what might happen at the end of the month? >> well, katy, governor runs out of money at the end of this month, and this new republican conference have said from the jump, they want to do things the old fashioned way. they want to pass 12 individual spending bills one at a time through regular order as a way to control spending. in the senate, they're doing that in a bipartisan way. they're starting work on one of those bills. three of them kind of rolled together this week. the house is behind schedule, and as usual the republican conference is divided over what they want to do. they want to spend less in the deal they agreed to in the debt ceiling negotiations from a few months ago, and different

factions of the republican party want to add different things to these spending bills or else, members of the freedom caucus, including folks like chip roy who i had a chance to talk to earlier today, who want to see border security measures rolled into the bills as spending goes down. here's some of our conversation about the pressure he's putting on mccarthy as the negotiations ramp up. >> look, we're all working hard to try to move everything forward in september. we have a job to do, and that is to hold this administration accountable. the average american is looking at their country with strong disapproval of our economic situation, strong disapproval of the situation at the border, strong approve about our position in the world, strong disapproval about the state of our military. if we can't check that executive branch, why are we here. when kevin works with us to sit down and achieve conservative ends and get 218 republican votes, we have been successful. that's my advice to them. >> that last bit was in response to a question i tried to ask him about whether he thinks mccarthy's gavel is in jeopardy.

if mccarthy works with us, it's not. if he doesn't, we'll see. mccarthy would probably tell us, and i suspect he'll say something to this effect tomorrow when the house is fully back. he has basically gotten out of these traps before and been underestimated in the past. each of these hurdles he clears, the next one is a little bit taller, and a little bit taller and this is the tallest he'll have to clear yet. >> he'll he's been there before, come out alive. chip roy, doesn't he believe his constituents are fine with the government shut down if that's what needs to happen? >> he said they want to see him fight, and they're willing to back him up to the hill on this. this has been part of the problem for house republicans in particular here. in many cases, the message they have taken to washington and they're getting it from their constituents, at least to some degree is it's about the fight, not whether you win. there are other house republicans and basically every senate republican with perhaps a few exceptions who understand that a shut down is a tactic

that has never really worked. it's not a strategy. you never get what you want out of a shut down. threatening it as a tactic, you move it closer. chip roy is not worried about anything electorally except a primary. i don't see him backing down. it's important to point out, as part of the deal that made mccarthy a speaker, roy is on the rules committee. he has a seat on the table before the seat at the table, before legislation gets to the floor. he will be one of the loudest voices. >> and might be one of the people who stops it going to the floor. garrett haake, thank you very much. can the big three u.s. auto makers put the brakes on a possible uaw strike. general motors, ford and stellantis have until thursday night to reach a deal with the united auto workers union to avoid operations halting. the new contracts at stake represent over 145,000 laborers. the uaw is demanding a 40% pay

raise over four years. fewer hours, and restored pensions. joining us now is msnbc correspondent covering the auto industry, phil lebeau. it sounds like workers want to go back to a time in the american economy where they were not just secure with their jobs, they could afford to buy a house, put their kids through school. they were solidly in the middle class, and the united auto workers aren't ready to get to that point or the big three auto makers aren't meeting them where they want to be. talk to me about where we are this the negotiations and whether by thursday there might be an agreement. >> they have made progress, katy, over the last week in terms of bridging the gap between where the uaw is, they want 40% over four years and where the big three are, and initially, there were no counter proposals, then late last week, we heard from general motor, ford and stellantis. generally they're coming in between 14 and 16% in terms of wages, and one-time payments in

terms of an inflation payment or ratification bonus, where we think they ultimately end up is probably somewhere close to 20%. it's not going to be 40%. it's also not going to be down in the 14, 13% range. it's going to be far greater than what we have seen the big three pay in the past. >> what about the pension? >> that's not going to happen. i would be surprised if that happens. the big three probably will give ground on a cost of living adjustment in terms of adjusting the pay in the next four years which has not been in the uaw contracts. they say, look, if you look at what we have gone through in the last year and a half, our wages haven't kept up with inflation. we need a cola adjustment in there, and there probably will be some wiggle room there. in terms of a pension, that's going back to where they were prebankruptcy back in the early 2,000s. >> is there not that money there, the ceos make a lot of money, the workers will argue. is there not money for pensions? >> the argument from the auto makers when it comes to pension

is that is a cost that is not a cost they can bear. they can bear a cost in terms of wages. they can bear a cost in terms of other adjustments but they cannot bear the cost in terms of pensions and now that they have that stripped out of the contract with the uaw, they don't want to go back. they would consider that a step backwards. >> phil lebeau, we will check back with you as we approach thursday. thank you very much for joining us. what elon musk did to single handedly thwart a drone attack on russia's naval fleet, and why he says he did it. hy he says he did it.

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for acceptance from first the soviet union and now russia and china as well. normally north korea is a problem for these countries and they are convenient to have kim, kim jong un, kim jong il, kim ill jung before him, as effectively attack dogs, keeping them away with lots of artillery. now vladimir putin needs kim jong un, not only is vladimir putin hosting him, according to the kremlin spokesperson, they are putting on a full official state visit, so that will be a welcome celebration, some sort of military reception, a state dinner, bilateral meeting with vladimir putin. this could have great implications for the economy of north korea, which is right now totally dependent on china. this would never have happened without chinese approval, and north korea has a great

possibility to make money out of this, to sell artillery, to sell missiles to vladimir putin, to become useful, and to bolster his economy and his political influence. so this is a phenomenal day for kim jong un, and it will be even better once his armored train finally arrives, and he has this summit tomorrow, potentially the next day, the kremlin doesn't say. >> how is the counter offensive in ukraine going? >> it's going slowly. the government here, the deputy defense minister just announced earlier today that they had captured an extra one square mile out in the far east, not far from bakhmut. it's heavy fighting. they are making some advances, and over the weekend, on sunday, the soon to be outgoing chairman of the general chiefs, general mark milley said that they still have some period for this active

combat phase because soon here the weather is going to change and right now, they are trying to very aggressively, very actively, breakthrough russian defenses, and they would like to do this while the weather is most favorable. this is what the general had to say about their >> still a reasonable amount of time. probably 30 to 45 details worth of fighting weather left. ukrainians aren't done, the battle's not done and haven't achieved, haven't finished the fighting part of what they're trying to accomplish. we'll see. it's too early to say how this is going to end. >> reporter: so that fighting spart trying to break through, katy, a land corridor that russia has managed to establish from the russian border all the way down to crimea and russia defended it with three lines of trenches, millions of pieces of

explosives, land mines, and the russians -- ukrainians have three lines of attack trying to cut this, this very difficult line of russian defense. one in the east, one in the southeast and one due south. >> richard, on the subject of ukraine, dieing to ask you this question about this elon musk news in the past few days part of walter isaacson's new book, geo fence starlink to limit ukraine's ability to launch a drone attack on russian naval ships. this one man deciding what can and cannot be done, and in the book he apparently justified this saying he had conversations with senior russian leadership and was worried about that escalating into a nuclear war. a lot were one man, one single man, has that sort of control over world affairs? >> reporter: and the russians responded saying that elon musk was absolutely right.

that he's the only rasual person who recognized the russian nuclear threat. the issue of starlink is quite interesting. sins beginning starlink everbal. starlink is a mobile uplink system. essential. take it out of the box. a small satellite dish and you can take it to the front lines, and initially ukrainians thought this was being offered effectively for free, as a service from elon musk in order to allow them to carry out the war and continue to defend this country, even in places where there was no cell phone service or internet service or places that are interrupted. then in the middle of this conflict, as they became very dependent on starlink, suddenly it stops working. suddenly cut off here and there, and the pentagon, which also had grown to appreciate the use of

starlink, suddenly now forced to have a contract directly with musk. what walter isaacson had to say. >> knowing what you know about him, are you comfortable that this singular man has that kind of influence over our world? >> i think it's not great he has so much. take the starlink episode in ukraine. what he actually geo fenced off, done it before that night, and now he's creating starshield and selling it to the u.s. military. because he talked to the u.s. government officials, realizes, why am i in the middle of this war? should be something government officials do, so he sold starlink to the u.s. government so the government can control how it's done. >> reporter: so this gives an indication how powerful people who control a balance of media, control media access, can be in this day and age. we saw this going back to the arab spring, katy, when google

and facebook had enormous amounts of influence with protesters on the streets in the arab spring, and now we're seeing it with elon musk having a great deal of control of communications here on the battlefields in ukraine. >> remarkable. >> reporter: trying to potentially move that over to the military. >> yeah. richard eng's, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. especially with all your expertise in the region. coming up next, one-on-one with u.s. open women's champion coco gauff. how about some good news to end the show today? what's next for the 19-year-old who has gotten nothing but a bright future ahead. join us after this quick break. my name is wendy, i'm 51 years old, and i'm a hospital administrator. bright future ahead. join us after this quick break. bright future ahead. join us after this quick break. t future ahead. join us after this quick break. d join us after this quick break. beginning to really become not so much moderate but more severe. i'm still wendy and i got botox® cosmetic. and i'm really happy with the results because they're very subtle, and i feel like i look like myself,

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i get 0 win a grand slam with them in the stands and they are old enough to realize what's happening. a reality nice night and amazing that eye contact did well. even though novak djokovic won in three sets, moments it seemed the 36-year-old was so exhausted, seeming the match would slip through his grip. like this one. he won his 24th grand slam title. no one else in history won more. a day earlier saw beginnings of what could be another historic run, or at least we hope so. 1-year-old coco gauff won her first grand slam. the youngest woman to win the u.s. open since serena williams in 1999. nbc's aaron gilchrist spoke with gauff to ask what it feels like to be the future. [ cheers ] >> reporter: aphile milestone moment fans will never forget.

the crowd going wild as 19-year-old coco gauff took the u.s. open women's crown. youngest since her idol serena williams in 1999. >> hello. >> hi. >> congratulations. >> reporter: i spoke to gauff after the match. >> to have, you know, my name honor, on this trophy with hers is a dream i've always dreamed and believed in, i guess when you accomplish something so crazy it doesn't feel real. >> reporter: gauff's victory ill nighting a fire in the world of tennis. [ cheers ] to her fans, she represents the best in the sport's future. >> so young and she's so, really good. already. >> i love hour determined she is. a strong force. >> she's young. bringing women's tennis back. >> reporter: celebrity fans sending well wishes too. former first lady michelle obama posting this is your moment. tennis legend roger federer inspirational win. this post from serena. amazing. gauff telling me just how much

the crowd here inspired her. >> that roar on match point was really loud. i'm grateful for every single person that believed in me and supported me. >> reporter: her grand slam title started way dream. ♪ this video of an 8-year-old coco at the u.s. open resurfacing overnight. one fan declaring, she was always a star. [ cheers ] a star shining for this moment in history, determined to rise towards an even brighter future. >> very good weekend at the u.s. open. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, there, everyone. 4:00 in new york on day that is one of somber reflection in our country as it has been for the last 22 years. memorials today in new york, pennsylvania and washington, d.c. and across the country. later in the hour,