celebrated at the white house? what musicians, actors or others? you can let me know at ari melber. who else would you like to see celebrated at the vice presidential or presidential level. "the reidout" is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the time for impeachment is the time when there's evidence linking president biden, if there's evidence, linking president biden to a high crime or misdemeanor. that doesn't exist right now. >> even conservative congressman ken buck knows it's ridiculous that republicans like marjorie taylor greene are pushing to impeach president biden before even establishing the smallest hint of wrongdoing. also tonight, we're learning more about the mar-a-lago i.t. guy who could be a key witness for prosecutors in trump's classified documents case. plus, new reporting tonight on the citizens united supreme

court ruling and how ginni thomas of all people, wife of justice clarence thomas, and right wing court whisperer leonard leo seem to have a jump start in exploiting that ruling. good evening. i'm jason johnson in for joy reid, and we begin with the republican controlled house of representatives returning to work this week for the first time since donald trump racked up two more criminal indictments. the now four-time indicted former president facing 91 federal and state charges. but instead of focusing on the 11 legislative days congress has to fund the government, speaker mccarthy and trump's allies in congress are raring to go, to serve his legal defense and his 2024 campaign. they're agitating to start an impeachment inquiry into president joe biden just based on vibes and energy apparently because there's no evidence whatsoever. mccarthy's real boss, marjorie taylor greene is leading the charng, saying she won't support any measure to fund the government until the house votes to begin an impeachment inquiry.

but even right wing freedom caucus member ken buck called her timeline absurd, because, and these are his words, evidence doesn't actually exist. never mind that buck is just one of numerous republicans who admitted out loud there's no evidence, the divide between the right wing and the further, further ex-crispy right wing of the republican caucus has mccarthy considering a devil's bargain. horse trading an impeachment inquiry to the maga wing to avert a government shutdown. the fact they're pushing for impeachment even though they know it's bogus is an indication that republicans have become, quote, increasingly authoritarian and anti-democracy and committed to undermining and mocking, key, mocking forms of democratic accountability. with mccarthy saying last month that impeachment is a natural step forward, democrats aren't taking republican threats lying down. the white house was mobilized a war room to combat the

evidence-free push to impeach, and house democrats have built a defense team to counter the republican nonsense, especially house oversight chairman james comer's investigations. the ranking democrat on the oversight committee, jamie raskin, spit out a memo calling republican investigations a complete and total bust, an epic flop in the history of congressional investigations. adding that impeachment is a transparent effort to boost former president trump's re-election prospects and distract from the overwhelming evidence of his criminal and corrupt conduct during his time in office. joining me now to discuss all of this is congressman jared moskowitz of florida, and former republican congressman david jolly, who is no longer affiliated with that party. so congressmen, i'm just going to start with this. you know, marjorie taylor greene, she leads kevin mccarthy around by the nose. we get that and understand it. just from a practical function matter, how hard is it to set up an impeachment hearing?

like, this seems like a lot of legislative moving and shaking that would need to be done to even set this up. even though we know it's bogus to begin with. >> yeah, well, i mean look, marjorie taylor greene came out just the other day and said she's recommending some states start seceding from the union, so when she starts her new country, she can be in charge of impeachment in that new place. but it's fascinating, right? we're watching freedom caucus members fight amongst themself over joe biden impeachment. i didn't have that on my bingo card that joe biden's impeachment would be dividing the republican party, but it's exactly where the status of the house republicans are right now. they have no direction, they don't know whether they want to fund the government, whether they want to impeach the president, and to be quite honest, i'm starting to feel bad for james comer. these hearings are just not connecting with the american

people because they're just throwing darts at the board. now you have freedom caucus members admitting no evidence on joe biden. that's the bumper sticker right there. >> david, this is the other part that sort of gets me. and i thought congressman raskin's point was very clear, some of this is research. it's mocking impeachment. the impeachment process is supposed to be for obvious high crimes and misdemeanors. things that are so blatant that the entire public knows or understands them. things that are so blatant that they attack the core, the absolute core of our democracy. the idea that republicans basically want to do this because they just don't like joe biden doesn't that sort of make a mockery of what an impeachment is supposed to be about anyway? >> yeah, jason. i'm glad you framed it that way because we're about to see the fitness of speaker kevin mccarthy put to test. we're about to see his personal integrity put to the test. we're about to see his ability to be a prudent custodian of the house put to the test. this goes all the way back to the corrupt bargain that kevin

mccarthy made with matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene and all of the others to become speaker after 15 votes. and i believe the deal was struck then. in january. i don't think it's a deal in the works now. i think kevin mccarthy, whether it was explicit or not, he knew they were going to have a debt ceiling raise he was going to lose. try to spin it like a win, but the freedom caucus called his bluff. they're already smarting from the early summer debt limit increase. now you're looking at the annual budget breaking down, funding the government september 30th. here's why kevin mccarthy will have to move forward with going after joe biden. there is not a budget that could pass just with house republicans and get the support of senate republicans. it actually isn't even about compromising with senate democrats or joe biden. there is not a hard right conservative budget that could get 218 republicans in the house that would get mitch mcconnell to vote for it, which leaves kevin with saying the only way,

whether we have a shutdown or not, the only way to keep the government funded is with 175 republicans and 100-plus democrats and joe biden's signature, and how does kevin mccarthy remain speaker after that? likely to move forward with an impeachment that he agreed to last january. >> congressman moskovitz, speaking of the senate, the senate is obviously the second level. if you're going to do an impeachment, you have a vote and then you have to see if a person can be removed. i'm going to play you sound from senator fedderman from pennsylvania about what he thinks of the idea floated around as to what impeachment is and gets your thoughts on the other side. >> go ahead, do it. i dare you. you know? if you can find -- if you can find the votes, you know, go ahead. you're going to lose. your man has three or four indictments now and you're gonna -- so like i said, sometimes you have to call their

bluff. >> congressman, i think what fedderman is also pointing out here is not only is it going to fail, but i don't think the country has an appetite for this. look, correct me if i'm wrong, i don't think you can try to impeach the president because of hunter biden. i don't think you can try to impeach the president because he pulled troops out of afghanistan. isn't some of the failure of this the idea that the american people heading into the 2024 election, this might be the last thing they really care to pay attention to? >> well, unfortunately for the republicans, the failure is it's the truth, the truth is joe biden did nothing wrong. senator fedderman is right there, which is they have been talking about it, talking about it. they spent all tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money running all these investigations that have proven nothing, and by the way, if the polling showed that the american people wanted joe biden impeached, you could be sure republicans would have launched this inquiry already. as soon as these articles got filed, they buried them in

committee. they buried them in homeland security. they didn't want to talk about it. you have republican members, moderate members, freedom caucus members coming out trying to delay impeachment. that tells me they know this is not good for them if they want to hold on to the majority in the house. and so it's fascinating to watch from a political science standpoint, but it's horrible if you're trying to keep the government open and get us funded so that we can keep the economy going and make sure that the american people have a good place to work and good jobs and all that jazz. this is what the house republicans said they were going to do when they got power. when you finally give us power, we're going to show you what we can do. meanwhile, they haven't passed a single piece of substantive legislation to help the american people, not like the infrastructure bill, not like the chips and science act, not like the infrastructure. i mean, the inflation reduction act. nothing. they don't have a single piece of legislation to stand on. so now, impeachment, which is what they fed their primary voters, can't even deliver on that, but look, they sold

themselves to donald trump. they want to do this. donald trump is demanding this because he wants to run against somebody else who he is say is impeached so it's equal on both sides. i look forward to these folks filling out a form for an in kind contribution to the trump campaign. that's all these are, an extegz of the campaign. >> as a poly sci professor, i love the numbers, but the numbers on this don't play out in republicans' favor. a recent poll from the public policy polling that found in 18 republican held districts won by biden in 2020, 56% of voters think an impeachment inquiry would be more of a partisan political stunt including 55% of independent voters, while only 41% think it would be more of a serious effort to investigate important problems. look, david, you're not in office anymore. but if you hear those numbers, if you are a member of congress and one of those districts, do you want leadership forcing you

into this impeachment hearing heading into an election year? >> absolutely not. and here's the affirmation of that. easier vote in this whole impeachment question is the vote to open an impeachment inquiry. that's just suggesting the house should go look at the facts. they don't even have the votes to open the inquiry and they're jumping to an actual impeachment vote and doing a count there and they're nowhere close to that. kevin mccarthy very likely could lose the house if they pursue impeachment and he knows that. consider what would be put in front of the american people. bad decisions in the personal life of hunter biden. he's owned it, wrote about it in a book, but they haven't even proven hunter biden did anything illegal when it came to his representation. department of justice didn't find anything that he did that was illegal related to representing clients in front of the government. they brought up charges on the gun charge and on a tax charge, but not about his representation. so they haven't even made the

son culpable for an illegal act, much less then tied it to the president. do republicans really want to spend the next year talking about the president's son and his personal failings similar to probably those that have touched many american families or do they want to focus on bread and butter republican issues which you can still squabble with from the border to taxes to the economy. i think kevin mccarthy would rather focus on the latter. this will be a test of his fitness because i think ultimately, he will cower to the far right to protect his own speakership. >> congressman, i want to make sure we end on this. i think it's key, look, while the republicans run the house, i do think it's always important we focus on what congress is actually doing. on the democratic side right now, even with mccarthy's leadership, even with marjorie taylor greene basically playing with his puppet strings, what are democrats hoping to do with this new session that's come back? obviously, the debt ceiling, but other critical things on the democratic agenda you're trying to push forward for the

remainder of this year? >> first, right off the bat, we have to keep the government open. so democrats are looking to fully fund the government. we're looking to fund, to continue to fund the ukraine issue with russia to make sure they have the weapons they need. we're looking to fund fema, the disaster recovery fund has run out of money. we have to make sure cities and counties have the money they need so they can respond, recover, and rebuild after we have these disasters. we're looking at being the adults in the room and being responsible. so listen, i think the next three weeks are going to be fascinating. interesting to see as the republicans tear each other apart, how the democrats in the house handle that. also, obviously, we have the senate. you have republicans and democrats in the senate unified on a lot of the budget issues. you could see a showdown between the house and the senate. you know, for the last nine months, leader jefferies has talked about how maga republicans are leading us down this horrible path and we're

going to be the responsible ones in the room. i think that's what you're going city from democrats in september. >> david jolly, very quickly, joe biden, he's hearing that republicans are trying to do this in the house. vice president harris, does he make a statement about it, does he say, hey, bring it, come with it, pull up with your impeachment hearing because i know i'll beat it, or is this something the president says, hey, i'm above the fray. i'm going to keep moving heading into 2024 or whoever you put up against me, i'm going to beat him? >> stay above it, focus on the economy that lifts all americans. solving the problems for families at their kitchen table. protecting the constitutional order and constitutional norms that donald trump wants to shred, the contrast will be obvious to the american people. >> thank you congressman moskovitz, appreciate you joining the show, and former congressman david jolly, one of my favorite people. thank you for joining us on "the reidout." up next, brand-new reporting on a key witness in the trump mar-a-lago case. who told prosecutors that the disgraced former president asked

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by a trump appointed judge, aileen cannon who had earlier rulings in the case giving favorable treatment to trump overturned. his last hearing was on july 18th and nothing is scheduled. even though there are outstanding issues like the protective order covering the handling of the classified documents as well as hearings on the potential conflicts of interest facing two defense attorneys. what makes the case so damning for trump beyond the issue of him retaining classified documents which according to trump's repeated protests, he did not have a right to do, it doesn't look good for the four times indicted ex-president. it's also figure in the trump world. mar-a-lago's i.t. director and the person according to prosecutors who codefendant carlos de oliveira came to asking for the security footage to be deleted at trump's request. "the new york times" points out what makes tarvaris unique is,

quote, he is the first trump employee facing prosecution in the classified documents case known to have signed a cooperation agreement to avoid indictment. in fact, he appears to be the first of any of the dozens of people entangled in trump's indictments to be known to do that. breaking late today in the federal 2020 election interfeerps case, trump's lawyers filed a motion calling for tanya chutkan to recuse herself from the case, arguing statements made in the past sentencing hearings for january 6th defendants call into question her impartiality and ultimately taint this case. trump's lawyer, john lauro, wrote judge chutkan has in connection with other cases suggested that president trump should be prosecuted and imprisoned. such statements made before the case began and without due process are inherently disqualifying. joining me nuto discuss is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor, and msnbc legal analyst. thank you so much for joining us

this evening, barbara. look, i am not a lawyer. i always say that. i'm not a lawyer, i don't play one on . i have tosk non-lawyery questions here. what is the line at which previous statements that aud has made become disqualifying for future cases? because if i play this completely objectively, in theory, you would always want a judge that's never said anything outside of legal writings on your upcoming case. but the republicans here and trump are saying hey, because she mentioned this in a previous case, she's not qualified in this one. what do you really have to to make yourself disqualified or make it an ethics issue to recuse yourself from covering a case? >> it's a very circular stand because it is whether a reasonable person would tend to doubt the impartiality of the judge. so it really is a case by case determination. but i think the kinds of allegations that the statements

that are at issue here are simply statements that the judge made about people who were not charged when she was making decisions about sentencing of the defendants before her. many of them took the defense of you shouldn't blame me or hold it against me because i was just doing what the president told me to do. and she said things like, you know, no one else is here before me. you're the person here before me. i can't make decisions based on whether someone should be charged even if i have opinions on those things. so the statements are so general that i just can't imagine that she or any other judge would be believe that they rise to that standard of causing a reasonable person to believe that she cannot be impartial in this case. >> now, whether or not she's impartial is not just sort of important in this case but impartiality is something we care about in general. we have this situation with judge aileen cannon looking at the documents case at mar-a-lago who hasn't scheduled anything, hasn't had a hearing since july

18th. i understand that sometimes the grind, the legal system grinds and is slow and everything else like that, but is it uncommon? here we are, almost two months, sic weeks, two months later, and this is a case that has to do with national security issues. is it strange that aileen cannon hasn't done anything to advance this case? >> i think the one thing i would be looking for is the hearing on the classified information procedures act. there was a request by the government that be handled so everybody would have an understanding going forward of how the material would be addressed. the may be the reason she has not scheduled that hearing, it was once scheduled and canceled. is that the defense lawyers do not yet have their security clearances, and so the government is not yet able to turn over the material. that could be a reason not to hold that, but i imagine, though, if you're the government, your view would be, we don't need to give the material before we set the rules for handling the material.

so imagine there is some frustration on their part. she's set a trial date, so it seems that things are moving at a reasonably good pace, but that's the one hearing i would look to be scheduled sooner rather than later. >> here's the thing, it's also interesting to me, and again, we can't judge whether a judge is going to be partial or impartial, but she was a trump appointed judge. "the new york times" is reporting in the case of tarvaris, his testimony could be excluded from the classified documents case. quote, last month, mr. tarvaris's former lawyer asked judge aileen cannon who was overseeing the mart in ft. pierce, florida, to strike his account from the record complaining it had been improperly obtained through potential grand jury abuse. mr. woodward argued after indictments were issued grand jury proceedings could not by used to place pressure on a witness, suggesting that had happened to mr. tarvaris. we don't know how she's going to rule on this, right?

but it seems to me, do you think that some of these lawyers, these defense attorneys, these maga connected defense attorneys are gearing up to make arguments towards a judge that they think is more likely to rule in their favor? because it seems to me that the i.t. guy who was asked to erase things, i don't see how you couldn't have his testimony in a case about hiding important federal documents. >> yeah, so first, i don't know there is any basis to believe there is anything improperly going on. there are some sealed documents in the case, maybe there are fact that are unknown to the public, but based on the public record, using a grand jury to investigate additional crimes or defendants is perfectly appropriate and we know that that grand jury resulted in the superseding indictment that added carlos de oliveira to the case. on its face, it appears everything was done prer. now, defendants file motions all the time. some are well grounded, some are just hoping thathey're throwing up a a favorable rulin. so i imagine that the lawyers in

this case will be very aggressive in filing any motion they can think of. and we'll get a chance to see what judge cannon is all about as she makes these decisions. but you are absolutely right, and make no mistake, a judge has incredible power in a case to make these kinds of pretrial decisions that could really gut the government's case. the defendant typically cannot appeal these pretrial rulings. the government typically can. but that brings with it lengthy delay that is often not in the best interest of the case, so we'll see how she proceeds in responding to those motions. >> jumping from florida to georgia really quickly. we have got trump aide mark meadows, he's basically asking a judge to pause the stay on his ability to move his case from state court to federal court. look, it seems pretty clear to me that this is a situation where he's not going to get what he wants, but he's trying a delay tactic to sort of follow what you said in the last

question, barbara, how much time could this delay get him? like, it doesn't seem likely it's going to be re-evaluated. another two months, another six weeks? what's the value and what's the length of time of the delay he might expect for asking for this sort of stay? >> you know, in an ordinary case, you might see an issue that goes up to the court of appeals many, many months delayed. i think in a case like this, we will see an expedited decision by the 11th circuit, which is the same circuit, by the way, that did the expedited appeal in the search warrant matter in mar-a-lago. they acted quickly at that time. i expect them to act quickly in this case as well. i think it's more like days or weeks and not months of delay. but the statute specifically addresses this situation. and it says that while this removal procedure is going on, the state court case should proceed. it should not be stayed. so i think this flies in the face of the specified law in the statute, and for that reason i

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i want this to be really clear. there has not been a more destructive force in the american jurisprudence in the last 30 years than clarence thomas' wife. they're the most destructive force in american jurisprudence. those two together. they form like a vol tron of evil. yesterday, the extent of just how thorough and intentional their efforts have been came into light in new reporting from politico. and you won't be surprised to hear that some of the key players involved included tex techbillionaire harlan crow, leonard leo, and trump political consultant kellyanne conway. the justice's wife was running a political organization that will push conservative ideas through

the courts and into her husband's lap. the group called liberty central was set up while barack obama was president to target the affordable care act and was launched before the case on citizens united which paved the way for unlimited dark money for groups like hers in our elections. it was speeded up and funded by harlan crow and headed by leonard leo. ginni thomas was forced to step down from the organization because she got in trouble for calling anita hill and demanding an apology from hill for recounting hers experience of being sexually harassed by clarence thomas when he was at the eeoc. don't worry, ginni thomas launched a new nonprofit consulting group and leonard leo found a different way to funnel her cash with no apparent paper trail. kellyanne conway would serve as the conduit for that. leo arranged for between $80 and $1then,000 to go to ginni thomas through conway for unspecified work in 2011 and 2012.

as she stepped back, leo reactivated a nonprofit group, the judicial education project which would file numerous briefs before his friend's supreme court. here's where things get tricky and trust me, this is tricky. the judicial education project is tax exempt as a charity, and has to file forms to keep that status. it is a legal requirement that their funds are used for charitable or educational purposes. politico is reporting and subsequent probes have raised questions that leo's groups have taken advantage of tax disclosure laws to send additional business and funds to ginni thomas amongst other activists. joining me now to pull all of this apart is melissa murray, nyu law professor, msnbc legal analyst, cohost of the strict scrutiny podcast, and fellow wahoo. thank you for joining us this evening. look, i always start with this. even before we get to the

specific story. can you tell me why clarence thomas is not going to get impeached? i know we talk about this all the time, but every single time i hear this guy, every single time we hear about more corruption, i'm singing, i'm backstreet boys, tell me why. why can't this guy just be impeached? why aren't we doing anything about this? >> well, he can't be impeached because there would thought be a supermajority in the senate to do so. but you are exactly right and your intuition is correct. any other justice at any other quote/unquote normal time in history who is associated with this level of questionable activity, this level of skepticism for his impartiality, there would be clarion calls for his resignation, and if no resignation was forthcoming, there would be called for his impeachment. this is not something thurgood marshall could have gotten away with. this is far more than fortis resigned for, yet here we are

and there seems to be no check on that which the thomases can be associated with and continue to have justice thomas serve on the supreme court. >> you know, thomas once wrote in 1991 during his confirmation, you know, buffeted by sexual harassment allegations, he said he and his wife were brought closer together. the fiery trial through which we pass had the effect of melding us into one being, an amalgam. i call it corruption voltron, but i think the fact that thomas himself has been very clear about the fact that, you know, where ginni's politics begin and his end, there is no space, no difference. is there something that bare minimum, at least the government should be saying publicly regarding any of his rulings? if there's not a supermajority to get him removed from the bench, why is it that republicans who have ethics and democrats who are concerned about democracy aren't banging

the doors on this every single time he makes a ruling? because nothing that this man says can be trusted if he's in the pocket of his wife and her corrupt maga friends. >> to be clear, the thomases have said conflicting things over the years. they said although they are best friends melded together in this crucible of conservative grievance, they do not discuss the work he does on the court, nor does he discuss with her her work as an independent consultant for conservative coss. again, that may belie what some might take as a little bit of fiction. it's hard to say what spouses do and do not talk about. but leaving aside whether or not there is an uncomfortable association between his dealings and hers, it is the fact of the optics that this looks so bad. it doesn't actually have to be any impropriety. it's just the mere fact it could appear to the ordinary member of the public that justice thomas perhaps is in the bag for some of the causes with which his wife is associated.

and that is enough to bring disrepute on the court, on the court's decisions, and indeed, should be enough to inspire those in congress who have some oversight to this other branch of government to say something about it, but yet we have heard precious little. >> and this is another key part about this. we keep hearing about these different consultant companies that ginni thomas is a part of. she starts one group, he steps down, she starts another. it's like a new york street shell game, where is she getting paid? find the dollar, find the dollar. is there a possibility that congress could at least push for more requirements for reporting of spouses' income. is there a way we could go after ginni thomas where at least all the different ways she seems to be bringing in income through the shadow organizations that pop up every five minutes, that also seem to have insight as to what's going to be coming down in the court, is there a way she could be held more accountable even if you can't go after clarence thomas himself? >> i think that's a terrific

place to start. one of the things that was so interesting about the citizens united decision from 2010 was that justice kennedy who wrote for the majority assumed where there was greater money flowing in from all different sides of the political spectrum, there would also be greater transparency. interestingly, justice thomas filed a separate opinion in that case in which he disclaimed the prospect of such disclosures on the view it would chill political contributions and political speech. but again, that kind of transparency is exactly the sort of thing you want associated with the supreme court, and so again, there have been so many questions this year about ethical lapses among the justices that at a bare minimum having greater transparency about where the justices' money comes from, where the money that is brought into their broader family kitty will be welcomed and would be a step towards transparency as opposed to a step to take down a particular justice. >> want to ask this very quickly. look, people who are professionals, they tend to have

relationships with other professionals. lawyers marry other lawyers, doctors, paul tizes marry people, everything like that. we have a situation down as recent reporting, a judge deciding the fate of abortion in florida is married to state rep who sponsored the six-week ban and not recusing themselves. you have judges that are related to politicians. we have politicians who are married to members of the media. it's not like we can tell people they can't love and be involved with who they love, but is there a possibility that a more ethical responsibility government could say hey, look, if you're sharing a house and a home and a bed with somebody, you probably shouldn't be ruling on any kind of legislation that they're putting forward? is that a possibility ethically? >> again, in the federal courts, lower federal court judges, not supreme court justices, are bound by a pretty loose but none the less, they're bound by a code of ethics that would require recusal in certain cases, like that one. you're not allowed to hear a case where a member of your family would be a party, and various states have judicial

codes of ethics that would require them to disclose that information and perhaps recuse themselves, and again, if your spouse is closely associated with legislation that you are now ruling on the constitutionality of, it seems to be too close, and again, it doesn't have to be the case that you're in the bag for your wife, but is the case the optics of it look poor to someone else on the outside. >> yeah, he's in the bag like leftover fries in the bottom of the bag from mcdonald's. thank you so much for joining us tonight on "the reidout." coming up next, this weekend, vice president kamala harris was talking about abortion and her critics and hosting a celebration to commemorate the 50th anniversary of hip-hop. i was there and i'll tell you all about it next on "the reidout." when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people

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culture. it is a genre. it is music and melody and rhyme. and hip-hop is also an ethos. of strength and self-determination, of ambition and aspiration. of pride, power, and purpose. >> i was there, too, along with my next guest, known commonly in the atl as erin 3,000. editor at large for the 19th. we got out of the rain together after saturday, but i have to say, you have done some really great work on vice president harris. you have done very great work on how she's looked at and what her influence is, and how she's a lot of times underestimated. talk a little bit about how significant it was for the vice president to have a party where lil wayne showed up at her house and she was dancing to it. >> yeah, i mean, it was

definitely quite a moment in the vice president's tenure, but look, i think as she said, she wanted to celebrate this most american musical genre in the highest offices, really legitimize hip-hop as the cultural she is somebody who grew up in the hip-hop era, it really talked about -- howard university. i don't think we ever saw a vice president of the united states make that kind of statement. she wanted to bring that to the vice presidency. and so, yeah, definitely not something that i thought we would have seen during this tenure. but something that absolutely makes sense given who she is, given what pep hip-hop is. >> we never saw hip-hop would make it is far. but the other thing, errin, i was amazed, you know, given some of the negative comments

and memes about vice president harris, and her connection to the african american community, i thought it was fascinating that you not only had just sort of mainstream entertainment, but having somebody like little wayne, who has a case like controversial lyrics, somebody like that joe, who has occasionally some controversial lyrics. what does that say about the branding of the vice president who says, look, i can have people who talk about the police, graphic issues, and i can still appreciate that and maintain my prestige as vice president of the united states. >> you're not gonna bring up seashore -- >> i was gonna lead to it. >> i was personally celebrating the 15th anniversary, just put that out there. and the south representation as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of hip-hop. look, i think, you know, something else she said during her remarks.

she talked about how, you know, it's the music of the street. black folks telling stories about their realities, right? sometimes that reality is not always clean. but it doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be expressed, that it is not also part of the art form. and so, i think, we need to include that. there might have been some folks that preferred, some of the profanity might not have used on that stage. but again, this is reflecting their realities, but also the millions of americans, black americans who don't have -- >> i want to add, you know, there was a recent conversation on face the nation, where the vice president talked about why the people attacker. i just want to play this and get your thoughts on the other side. >> which week of pregnancy? >> we need to put back in place the protections of roe v. wade

-- >> you know why i'm asking you this question, though. >> we are not trying to do anything that did not exist before june of last year. >> republicans say the lack of a precise date in cutting it off. you know this. they say that allows democrats to perform abortions up until, you know, birth -- >> which is ridiculous. >> what do you think is not accurate in that? >> it's ridiculous -- >> talk about how important it is that the vice president could be from both at that event, to answering these questions about abortion, given how it's gonna be in 2024. >> because you can be somebody of a generation who is concerned about the issue of reproductive access. not unlike many voters in this country. she is just somebody that speaks to this issue, and an audience that is also -- >> thank you so very much, errin 3000, errin haines, for joining us this evening.

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of the lives lost here or in the middle east, or the wars wars of terror that followed. next month will mark the 22nd anniversary of the patriot act, which armed law enforcement with new tools to detect, observe, and prevent terrorism. there's also the first of many troubling changes that allowed the government to essentially spy on ordinary innocent americans. and it gives authority to monitor communications, keep tabs on people online, or in the case of new york, using technology to track or record new yorkers movement. it was was considered a gross violation of civil liberties shifted dramatically after 9/11. and it was a shift that was hastily made during an excruciating moment for this nation. two decades later, it's all overdue that americans examine and chip away at the creation, maintenance, and most importantly the acceptance of the united states as a surveillance state. the government's ability to conduct domestic surveillance under the guise of catching the terrorists has actually turned

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