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took kevin mccarthy 15 embarrassing ballots to become speaker in january by will selling the speakership off to the dark evaporate corners of his caucus and being put in what matt gaitz called a straitjacket. he called it the next logical step in the g.o.p. hunter biden investigation which so far has turned up zero wrongdoing by president joe biden. even republican members of kevin mccarthy's caucus have acknowledged it. here is one of them. >> the time for impeachment, if there is evidence linking president biden to a high crime

or misdemeanor. that does not exist right now. >> all the same in an effort to please other hard right extreme maga members of his caucus that have been grumbling loudly about kevin mccarthy's leadership. kevin mccarthy today announced something most house speakers only considered a last resort when things reach the ken buck standard. the last time was in 2019 and only after news of a whistleblower complaint that revealed donald trump pressured ukraine, ukraine's president to investigate the bidens. looming over all of that is that man. the man that was impeached back then for an unprecedented deadly insurrection at the united states capitol.

he managed to make the priorities of one of america's two major parties completely and all the time about him. >> why would we want to drag ourselves down into impeachment over a non-scandal? i think it is because donald trump, who is running for president, does not want to be the only guy on the ballot to be impeached before. but he insighted a violent insurrection against the union as determined by the house of represents and in a 53-47 vote over on the senate side. >> kevin mccarthy -- ian, if there is anything that we missed on what is actually going on on collins hill, please jump in.

but it is all a sham so says republican ken buck, and there is still such an audience for the counter programming too. i wonder if it is something the white house takes seriously and has concerns about. >> yeah. i actually wrote down other republican congressmen that said things. dave joyce, not seeing any facts or evidence. there should be a direct link in evidence. dusty johnson of south dakota. i have not seen that evidence. this is a widespread belief among the republican conference. the reason why, because it's the truth. there is no evidence of wrongdoing by president biden because president biden did not do anything wrong. they spent the better part of a half decade investigating the exact same claims to attack him

and his family and undercut the progress he is making for america. the things they have been investigating over and over and over again. why are they doing it? because the extreme far right members of the caucus are demanding it of speaker mccarthy. this is not based on anything sustainive. he is being attacked from the right and he is throwing them red meat. it show it is how illegitimate this inquiry is. another example of trampling on the norms and the constitution and the ability of our democracy. not only have they not met it but they haven't found any evidence to proceed with this. you look at the last five days where he travelled across the world rebuilding alliances, and when he is back home he is helping to lower prescription

drug costs and opening factories with the inflation reduction act, rebuilding roads and bridges. these are the things that matter to americans and their families. i don't think they want to see congress continuing down the bizarre path of attacking him and his family instead of focusing on what makes their lives better. >> i am not even sure the house republicans who are saying a lot of what you are saying would disagree with you. i want to push on the other inconvenient reality of life on earth too. it was brought up on the show yesterday that speaker boehner did not want to investigate a benghazi forum to investigate. the benghazi investigations kick

up, things that can't be seen at the beginning. i wonder if everyone agrees and republicans are saying what used to be the quiet part out loud on tv. i have a few more. let me play more to build the body of evidence of republicans saying there is no there there. >> that was the ken buck sound. this is sound we pulled together. we will try to roll that. they have not completed any of their work on the kind of detailed investigations. the threshhold or the bar for impeachment gets lower and lower. all of these republicans on tv and i don't know anyone doubts this is where speaker mccarthy is heading. i wonder if that still requires,

and i guess your presence suggests that the white house is taking it seriously. i wonder what you need the president's allies for in this post fact, post reality-based caucus. you can see that with what speaker mccarthy did. ten days ago he promised he would hold a full vote of the house but a bunch of republicans came out and said i can't support that because there is no evidence. i think it puts it on the independent press. the same ones they relied on for

four years to attack the president baselessly over and over. own documents. these are the things that the press needs to cover. it can't just be about speaker mccarthy is threatening an impeachment. a full investigation of claims and to hold them accountable for the truth. the truth is that the president did nothing wrong. that republicans in the house are wasting millions and millions of taxpayers dollars and push by other outlets to attack the president politically. they are admitting it. it is about next year. have you the chairman of the house oversight committee talk about how it is hurting president biden's poll numbers. they are admitting the purpose

of what they are doing. it is a politically motivated far right extreme series of attacks on the president and his family that are not rooted in the truth. what we can do is to hold them accountable for the lies over and over again. >> my last question for you is that there is some insidious impact that the house republicans have had based on reporting in "the new york times" and in the d.o.j. plea agreement with hunter biden. the reason republicans are saying the same things you are because the facts are not in dispute but republicans seem emboldened by what was an eerie success, reaching into a d.o.j. plea agreement deal with the president's son and getting everyone to step back and blowup the deal. what are the broader steps the

white house can tike make sure that congress stays out of d.o.j. business. we do not comment on ongoing investigations. we don't comment on the ends and house of the cases. instead of doing that, maybe they should work with the president on the actual priorities of the american people. bringing down prescription drug costs, bringing down the every day costs families face.

they can wake up and choose to do so. they are behold tone marjorie taylor greene and the far right fringes that are threatening to shut down the government. >> ian, you talked about the role of the media. would you appear on fox news and other programs where they seem to think there might be something there? >> maybe. we will see. they have been part of the problem. we take our message there when people need to hear it. the american people are smarter than this. >> it is a fascinating moment to

watch all of this unfold on the right. i want to bring in our conversation jerry conley of virginia, you and i have had so many conversations about right wing disinformation and the republican's reliance on it but the true damage it has done. the lifelong republican. i am concerned even when you have that crush of republicans, dave joyce, ken buck, a crush of republican voices saying there is no there there. you can have a lot of people

spoon fed disinformation. how do you deal with that? >> i think not only about impeachment but about politics and truth in america. you know kelly ann conway coined that phrase ultimate facts. truth doesn't matter and facts are malleable. what kevin mccarthy did today is cynical and purely pandering to the far right in his caucus to get them hopefully off of his back. to continue to pander the far right in the caucus is a very

dangerous game. never going to be satisfied. always going to be another pound of pleas. evidence-free, act-free and entirely made up. avoiding a floor vote promised ten days ago, instructed two committees to find something. we don't have any case. he is essentially telling them to find something. that is a really low moment for the house of representatives and i think a very low moment for kevin mccarthy. >> there is a word for it, appeasement. let me recenter it.

i don't want to call it a conversation. this is about mccarthy's deal with the devil to remain speaker. i think between votes nine and ten as speaker -- want to be speaker mccarthy's dignity was swirling around the bottom of the drain and someone said that i am sure he gave away a promise to impeach joe biden. here are all of the things he did. he sends rudy to fire marie and this is before any sort of official primary is underway but joe biden is not even the democratic nominee. sets up an off book foreign policy with his ambassador over there to try to get zelenskyy to

hold a press conference just to say it is corrupt. he has been trying to frame the bidens since he was america's president. the idea that the house picked up on this fool's errand, an errand that got him impeached the first time. it is sick but it is not surprising. i guess without any of the republicans willing to stand up to mccarthy or pump the brakes what do you think happens next? >> what i think is that we are going to see this clown car. look, if they have the goods all well and good but they don't. this was crazy. this is cynical. this is pandering. you understand why they are doing it. we are finding out donald trump met quietly with house leaders and told them he wanted them do this. to speak pure steve bannon, the goal is to flood the zone and

devalue impeachment by making sure that everyone is impeached. and what will be on the display is the no there there. that is what you are hearing from republicans. if you are going to spend the time debating whether or not we remove the speaker, impeach the president, defund the department of justice, defund special prosecutors and block the military from making promotions we should be able to explain to the american people why this is a good idea. but kevin mccarthy who engaged in that dramatic act of self gelding made the promise and now has to follow through even if it means reversing the position he had ten days ago when he said he would have a vote of congress to begin this inquiry. we are about to go into a very,

very messy month. this is going to be kevin mccarthy's month from hell. you see he appears he is going to drag the rest of the country with him. >> i want to ask you if you agree with your congressman's analysis and charlie's astute observation of the bannon theory that it is to make it more equal for trump the candidate. trump is impeached, so is biden. there is corruption. trump organization and hotels. if it is just an effort to put enough sand in the gears to muddy those waters. >> tricks of the trade. right now we are in the distract phase. flood the zone as charlie said

so everyone gets impeached and also to distract us from the fact that donnell trump has been indicted four times. 91 counts against him. he is in enormous legal peril. let's create a different headline. how about the sweetheart deal from the saudi government. a government that is tainted by the murder of -- and when he leaves the white house portfolio he is rewarded by a saudi prince. i think that is worth examination. let's impeach president biden so we are not talking about the

other troublesome issues. >> i agree with you. the uninvestigated nature of the $2 billion is unexplicable. >> i understand to do that and to use every opportunity to remind people of that fact. that is a glaring fact that cannot be ignored. >> no argument here. congressman gerry connolly, we are very thankful. when we come back we are getting a glimpse of how the ex president plans to fight those 91 counts against him. plus we are expected to learn more about how the georgia

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assembling an adequate legal defense. don't bother addressing any of the facts. for donald trump, the plan is to this. any accountability is rigged, corrupt, brought by people that just want to see him fail. radical leftists. those on earth one see the strategy for what it is, deflection, designed to muddy waters and vilify anyone that would have donald trump answer like the rest of us would have to do to answer for what he has done. attorneys for donald trump moved to dismiss most of the charges brought against him. the one-page motion from mr. trump's georgia lawyer refers to a more expansive motion filed by one of trump's co-defendants.

in ray smith's smiling he argues da willis seeks to punish protected first amendment activity and claims a coup attempts convincing hundreds of millions of people that had the election was stolen was just a guy exercising free speech. the state attorney for palm beach florida. charlie is still with us. glen, jack smith's team seemed to have anticipated what donald trump has trotted out since the insurrection. his allies used it when congress was investigating january 6. that they still think it will work is what is interesting to me. what is going on here? >> you know, i think that we are

dealing again with a client, donald trump, that does not really understand the nuances of the court cases so much he wants to drag it in to the 2024 election. he is making a lot of the same arguments and it suits his general sense of anger and describe for retribution. a couple of weeks ago in washington we saw jack smith's legal team raise the point over and over again. trump was creating an environment where he was attempting to taint the jury pool by saying all of the negative things about the judge presiding in the case in washington and the production. this is how it will go.

there will be no difference in his posture inside or outside. >> how this contamination or the blast radius of the strategy includes house republicans and now into the hunter biden plea deal and contributed to that going away. what do you make of the republican party establishment saying nothing or interfering with production. something chris christie is an outlier but the rest have nothing to say about trump's continue onslaught over the rule of law. >> we learned a lot about the way that the republican establishment relates to donald trump from the 2020 republican national committee party

platform. there was none. there was donald trump as the nominee. this is the way that it has been for a long time. it really does seem that the hunter, you know there is a willful attempt to basically create confusion blending the biden crime family narrative. all you have to do is look at want cnn poll over the weekend. 61% think joe biden interfered. now there may be remarkable reporting that shows up that improved that but we looked at it. the house republicans looked at

it. they produced no evidence of that. that means a substantial majority of americans believe something that is not true and that shows why they are willing to throw it all into one room and have chaos. >> there is no evidence. what he said is that there are not carrying degrees of truth but truth acknowledged. 65% of republicans believe the lies. how do you sort of protect and preserve the integrity of the prosecutions when you are dealing with republicans that don't believe them? >> it is a disadvantage for prosecutors. we can't speak about pending cases. the defendants get to put out

the misinformation and the prosecution has to stay quiet. it is crucial we have cameras in the courtroom at least in georgia. that is why it was a win saying we are not going to remove the case from federal court. it is important to counter the misinformation with live court activity. >> i think that is an interesting point. that might explain some of the desperate moves and illegal theories by the president in georgia. >> you are seeing all of the motions doomed to fail. they want the case to get to federal court. it is not going to. they want a more conservative jury pool. that is not going to happen. one thing trump wins by losing is delay. all of the motions which will be denied will push the case little by little. but i think the case in d.c. is

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we are back with glen, charlie and dave. i want to turn to trump's verbal

abuse and bizarre filings against the judge. he is essentially arguing her role and sentencing in the january 6th insurrection disqualifies her from giving him a fair trial. this seems to sync up with what dave is talking about. even he knows this is the trial and the case representing the most lethal legal threat to him. >> yeah. it is a bogus argument that won't have an effect if he is trying to bully the judge that won't work. i think it is worse than that. you are seeing a full-court press by donald trump and his allies and his imitators to delegitimatize the criminal justice system. think about it. every institution that will challenge him, the way he

delegitimized the mainstream media that criticized him. the jury system. the grand jury system. the prosecutors. the judges. it is to the point where he hopes the majority of will say who cares what the court says. we don't trust juries or the courts or we don't believe in the independent judiciary. if he succeeds in doing that, the damage that he will do will be long lasting, but this is why what donald trump represents is such a fundamental threat to our liberal constitutional democracy. it is not just this or that case. it is a larger project. we should be concerned he will

have success doing that. >> look, i appreciate all of your candor and we have reached if you see something say something part of the story. it is important to take the enthusiasm for violence. he won't say anything because he thinks that mike deserves it. and his keen commitment to destroying the rule of law. he wanted comey to let mike flynn go and hillary clinton to be prosecuted. durham. it is something he worked on for four years as president. do you think it is possible he will have more success as an ex president than he did in office? >> i think charlie made an

important point. i will go even further back in the wayback machine to the last debate right after the access hollywood tape came out. he looked like he was dead in the water. who could have ever survived that type of a revelation. he comes into the debate in st. louis at washington university and he stages this unbelievable scene on first base live which he drags all of these bill clinton accusers and just has this grotesque pregame show in which he raises all of the allegations about hillary and bill clinton. it did not matter it hasn't been verified or debunked or was old news. all he cared about was

legitamizing the process. it looks here like he is in significant trouble the same way. jack smith in the few public utterances on videotape, we have him discussing public integrity and anti-corruption laws. that you want to bring the cases to create a deterrent effect for politicians that choose to behave in this way. i think charlie hit the nail on the head. >> david, how does that manifest itself for the people on the ground doing the work? charles and he glen articulated when it started and why he does it and are accurately predicting he will do it again.

but in some ways he has more on the line now than he did in 2016. now he is trying to stay out of prison. >> he is desperate. that is why he is running to get back in the white house. he doesn't have a defense in the mar-a-lago documents case. he is hoping the cases are pushed off beyond the election and he can order the department of justice to drop everything or pardon himself or get someone else to pardon him. the state cases. he can't pardon himself in the state cases. atlanta or new york if he is found guilty he will say i'm president. come and get me. come state officials and remove me from office to be put in your local jail facility. >> unless he decides to produce a tv show from there.

if he decides something is in his benefit he is a martyr. i am out of the prediction business with trump. i think you are right. thank you so much. up next nbc news with an extensive sit down with the sheriff. blayne alexander, fresh off of the interview will join us when we come back. the interview will we come back with fewer medicin. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients

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this week we expect an answer from the fulton superior court on whether donald trump and 18 codefendants will go to trial for their efforts to overturn the election in georgia. while the judge seems skeptical of the timeline of trial, even an expedited trial would present a security burden for the courthouse. >> reporter: how do you secure the courthouse for such a complex trial for that amount of time? >> we had enough practice. we have had different gang trials that have gone on.

we cannot lose sight that safety and security is first and ultimately we make sure that we practice and when we finish train we practice some more. >> ex president of the united states of america. i get it. it is a fantastic question and a stunningly simple and honest response because of our experience in trying gang related rico cases we got this. >> yeah. that is what is going on in the courthouse right now. when you compare it to the indictment of the former president and 18 codefendants, but here it is getting a lot of attention and resources with security and courtroom and things like that. when i talked with the sheriff we talked about a number of things and looked back at what

has become something that will be etched in american history, the mugshot. the decision to make a mugshot came down to him and he was the one that made the call. i asked what was it that made him say yes. this is what we are going to do. he said it is a difficult decision and it came down to fairness and doing the right thing and of the many tens of thousands of inmates nobody else has a choice so it would have been unfair advantage or unfair for the former president not to have a mugshot taken. i asked a couple of other things. after that he received a number of threats and he is still receiving the threats to this day. >> it was some very vile threats. everything from a monkey to an uncle tom depending what side of

the aisle you sit on. the special grand jury, once those names are published. we have to make sure that we have enough resources to keep the every day people that want to simply come and a grand jury assigned to a trial safe. >> some of the more interesting parts of our interview is when he talked about those moments that the former president was inside his jail. the sheriff was inside the entire time, watched the entire process go down. that kind of two shot that you saw of the two of us was the actual intake area where the former president was taken inside, where his mug shot was taken. we are the first news organization to have access to that area where the former president was booked in. what you're seeing right now on your screen. so seeing that, he kind of was pointing right there to the place where his finger prints were taken. in front of me a few feet is the place where his mug shot was

taken. he said he was inside the building for only about eight minutes. that was stunning. i was standing outside the gate when his motorcade came through, it was about 25 minutes from when the motorcade came in until it left. he even signed the consent bond forms actually in his car. when you talk about those things, certainly very interesting. he talked about the fact that they exchanged a number of pleasantries. the former president said i recognize you from tv to the sheriff, and the sheriff said like wise, i recognize you from tv. he was very formal, courteous throughout the entire process. >> you got to the bottom of where the height and weight numbers came from. he was not measured or weighed? >> reporter: he was not. he was not measured or weighed inside. that was all presubmitted information. we kind of knew that because his information actually popped up on the county's web site before the motorcade even crossed the threshold of the jail. we saw it pull up befor i saw

the motorcade come down the street. it was pre-submitted. that information was done ahead of time. he was not weighed inside the jail. another thing i asked him about, nicolle, certainly you and i and a number of people don't pay attention to the condition of the fulton county jail until an inmate the magnitude of the former president crosses its gates. it's under close watch. we noticed there have been a number of deaths in that jail this year. in fact, ten to date this year. i asked him if he thought that was a stunning number. i asked about what, what's going on in the jail. he talked about the fact that he's inherited a jail that's falling apart. he asked the commission for more money. that's been an issue. we talked about that as well and the issues he's doing to try and fix some of that going forward. >> it's such a fascinating point, the impact of trump and the trump story that brings other things into focus. thank you very much for a fantastic interview and sharing it with us. dave, thank you for being on set

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putin would have never gone into ukraine, but that was just on my relationship with him, my personality over his. i used to speak to him. i was the apple of his eye. i said don't ever do it. it was tough stuff there, but he

would have never done it. >> wondering who says that, apple of my eye, now you know. hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york. being the apple of vladimir putin's eye is not really something that makes up a badge of honor for anyone here in the united states, but it is for the ex-president donald trump, who's probably delighted from the newest comments coming from the russian leader currently accused of carrying out heinous war crimes. echoing donald trump's attacks of those holding him to attack. vladimir putin called the criminal indictments against trump of personal persecution of a political rival for political motives. putin speaking earlier today then went full tucker carlson saying this, this shows the whole rottenness of the american political system which cannot claim to teach others about democracy. they simply expose their domestic approximate, and in that sense, if they're trying to

compete with us on something, it shows who we're competing with, all of which was likely music to trump's ears. when putin first invaded ukraine, trump wasted no time complimenting putin, and now it looks like putin will be getting help from another leader trump holds in high regard. north korea's leader, kim jong un, who arrived in russia by train today, his first international trip since he met donald trump at the dmz, right before the pandemic. these two leaders are expected to meet for discussions where reportedly an arm's deal seems like a fore gone conclusion. north korea would receive food aid and military support from russia, while russia would get ammunition and artillery to help in its brutal war against ukraine. america's ally, which is now going into its 19th month. shows affinity for both these leaders is no secret as has his disapproval of ukraine not been kept secret, a country he tried

to extort in 2019, an act he was ultimately impeached for. all in all, putin's comments today, essentially amount to an early endorsement of the trump 2024 presidential campaign, as trump has for years reshaped the republican party's policy position on russia. former congresswoman liz cheney writing about that, quote, putin has now officially endorsed the putin wing of the republican party. putin republicans and their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history. patriotic americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it. that's where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts and friends. former cia director and now an msnbc security analyst, john brennan. u.s. correspondent for bbc studios, and msnbc contributor, katty kay is back. and retired four star general barry mccaffrey is here. let's deal with putin first.

it's remarkable that kim jong un's last trip was to see trump and then in his little, you know, expedia travel history, the next trip is to see putin. what do you make of how donald trump reordered u.s. russia and u.s./north korean relations? >> it's tempting to say you're speechless looking at this. kim jong un, a murderous lad, he killed his uncle and displayed his head to intimidate his own people. putin, who just blew up and murdered the leadership of the latest insurrection, the wagner group, and now trump endorsing this duo of gangsters, they're criminals, mafia, thugs, not very bright ones. the actual meeting between putin and kim jong un, and i refer to the former cia director on this, i don't think either one of them is going to get much out of it. the north koreans are not going to be able to get advanced

technology out of russia. they're barely able to produce enough to continue the war on their own. they'll get a lot of 1.52 millimeter ammunition, some grad rocket transfers, but not a great deal. so this is, you know, putin's down to embracing kim jong un, xi is keeping them at a distance in china. he's got tenuous connections with iran, very tenuous connections with turkey, and other than that he's largely isolated. >> the undeniable association and affinity that trump has for both men? >> well, it's quite clear that trump likes to associate with individuals of a similar bent. those who are, general mccaffrey said, ruthless, very transactional, and very unprincipled, and so therefore, the fact that they're both

pariahs on the international stage leads them to take advantage of the opportunity to meet. and north korea may have some ammunitions that the russians may need for maintaining the fight in ukraine. it is not going to be any -- i think the big, big game changer deal that is going to come out of this meeting. again, it gives both of them an example, an opportunity to demonstrate that they can, in fact, shake hands with foreign leaders, it keeps their profile high, but it's unsurprising that putin has to go to the likes of iran and north korea in order to find friends. >> director brennan, we talk a lot about the stakes of the 2024 election for donald trump in terms of all of the criminal exposure he now faces. what are the stakes for vladimir putin and kim jong un maybe to a lesser degree of trump's reelection in 2024? >> well, for putin, it is absolutely essential, i think,

that donald trump wins the election. he's trying to prolong this war as long as he can, believing that this attrition that's taking place on the battlefield is going to lead the west and specifically the united states to relent eventually, and trump clearly, i think, has sent very public signals that he would withdraw or pull back from the extent of the support the united states has provided. so putin and trump, it's very clear that they are members of the autocrats mutual admiration society, and they are going to flatter each other and play to each other's egos. i think it is putin's main lifeline in order to find some way to salvage what has been a debacle in ukraine for him, and that is if trump is able to return to the white house and so that putin could have a like minded individual that he can work with, detrimental to u.s. interests certainly and detrimental to western interests overall. >> i think trump said on the cnn town hall, he would end the war within 24 hours, maybe 24, 48

hours. that's his commitment. i want to show you the sneering, mocking assessment of trump and foreign leaders from his former national security adviser. watch. >> trump has this impression that foreign leaders, especially adversaries hold him in high regard, that he's got a good relationship with xi jinping, vladimir putin, kim jong un. in fact, the exact opposite is true. i have been in those rooms with him when he's met with those leaders. i believe they think he's a laughing fool. and the idea that somehow his presence in office would have deterred putin is flatly wrong. if anything, if trump had won a second term and done what i think he intended to do, which is get out of nato, putin would have just waited and let him do it, and even the weakening of nato would have made it a lot easier for the russians to have prevailed. >> trump was trying to get out of nato from his first european trip, his first foreign trip was

to saudi arabia, but his first european trip, i remember his then national security adviser h.r. ms. speaker master and the deputy, dina powell coming back to the states, take this speech. this is where he's going to restate his commitment to article 5. this is exactly what trump would usher in if he were to be reelected, america's withdrawal from nato. >> it was clear from people on the national security side, who spoke about it afterwards, that trump never understood the value of the multilateral organization. he felt measuring was being duped. he felt america was paying too much money, the europeans weren't paying their fair share. it was barack obama who started that process of raising the threshold up to 2% of gdp for commitment to nato. he didn't have any love lost for

nato, and you can imagine were he to be reelected after everything he has seen in ukraine and the nato response to ukraine that he would perhaps be just as willing if not more so to get out of nato, because as he said, he wants to end the war in ukraine in a day. i don't think there's a chance that europe would be able to step up to the degree that ukraine would need if america suddenly withdrew. i mean, it's amazing the degree to which america and joe biden has driven the european commitment to the ukrainian war effort. >> well, and it's all connected, general mccaffrey, and putin's attacks on donald trump -- the people donald trump sees as his political adversaries, they are not political enemies, they're the forces, american institutions seeking to hold him accountable for alleged criminality. putin picks right up with the fox news talking points. let me show you his sort of intertwining of the ashli babbitt narrative.

>> did you order alexi navalny's assassination? >> translator: of course not. we don't have this kind of habit of assassinating anybody. that's one. number two is i want to ask you, did you order the assassination of the woman who walked into the congress and who was shot and killed by a policeman. do you know that 450 individuals were arrested after entering the congress, and they didn't go there to steal a laptop, they came with political demands. >> tucker carlson's calling his a block back. that's remarkable. it's unclear to me whether the right wing media is parroting putin or whether putin's parroting the right wing media. the bottom line is they're all saying the same thing, and it's all designed to aid donald trump. . >> yeah, it's an astonishing turn of events, and i might add, this is a nonpolitical statement, but quite clear to me if trump were reelected and came

back into office, it would likely be the end of nato. he had discussed withdrawal of u.s. deterrent forces from south korea, a modest number, 20, 30,000, he talked about charging the japanese for presence in the island. i can see a utter disaster in foreign policy if mr. trump came back in office. that's sort of step number one. i think john bolton's point was another good one. i think the global community largely sees mr. trump as a laughing stock, a fool, somebody that can be easily manipulated and is manipulated, so the contamination of trump continues to this day. we have a sizable number of republicans in congress who want to defund support for ukraine. we're in a very troubled

situation. >> director brennan, i want to ask you something that sort of requires you to put yourself in the story. i know you don't like to do that. if you go back to '16 and your role in simply sort of speaking about your decades' long experience and analysis and sworn testimony about witingly or unwittingly what russia had or had not done, it precipitated a brutal political attack from trump and his allies against you, against general haden, against other former intelligence officials who had the audacity to speak with expertise and tell the truth. as trump gets ready to run again and you look at john bolton, and trump has already tried to sue john bolton, but i'm thinking about general milley who had to back channel to avert calamity, secretary mattis who quit for cause, i'm thinking of john kelly who said donald trump was the most damaged person he had

ever encountered, do you think that trump will be as vicious against these former generals, some of the most respected figures in american civic life as he was against the former intelligence officials who spoke out in the transition, and during his presidency. >> i think donald trump will likely be even more vicious as he seeks to regain the presidency. i think he's going to stoop to any tactic whatsoever, and it's really quite shocking that donald trump and putin had the same ambitions as far as the united states is concerned to divide this country, roil the waters, separate us out from one another, and that's what donald trump is doing. i do think he's going to be on an offensive, and then if he were to be reelected, i think he is going to do whatever he wants with the tremendous authorities that a president has in order to continue to push his own personal agenda, and so that's why i wouldn't be surprised if vladimir putin and the russians

right now are looking for ways to try to facilitate donald trump's reelection just the way they did in 2016. i think they learned a lot of lessons over the last number of years. i wouldn't be surprised at all if there's going to be an effort to try to do what they can, to see whether or not they can push donald trump over the line. again, it gives them a lifeline as far as ukraine is concerned. but also as general mccaffrey said, it will be the demise of nato, and also i wonder how our democracy is going to withstand a second trump presidency. >> director brennan, what do you think they'll do this time? >> well, i think the information operations is what, you know, they are so expert in in terms of being able to push out propaganda, amplifying messages about joe biden that are negative, trying to promote those messages about donald trump that are positive, they have very sophisticated means and work through various intermediaries, including in the united states here to be able to push out that message. i don't think they're going to try to interfere in actually the

vote tallying. they didn't do that in 2016. the information operation is that they were pushing in certain states, particularly in those states that are going to make or break the election for either candidate. ic i can see the russians continuing to do what they can in a digital environment in particular to get the message out there that donald trump is the person for americans to vote for. >> katty, we already have evidence from georgia state officials that a russian company is hosting the personal information that has resulted in the georgia officials and some of the grand jurors being doxxed in their roles for simply showing up for jury duty and trying to hold donald trump accountable for overturning his efforts in the state of georgia. what do we learn from russian efforts in europe, in other elections that we should be prepared for here? >> i remember a senate report that came out shortly after the 2016 election saying that it

wasn't just the united states, that actually russia had been involved, had meddled in 18 separate elections throughout europe. we know now that russia meddled in the brexit election in 2016 in the uk as well. i don't think they'll stop at all, and i mean, it's good that we're having this conversation because i think the world now has to start waking up to the reality that donald trump might be the next president of the united states, and what that would mean for global alliances. i think general mccaffrey is right that before in the last presidency, many did see donald trump as a fool. we saw video of world leaders laughing about donald trump, laughing at donald trump, but i think actually this time around, rather than thinking of him as a fool, they're actually quite terrified at what this would mean for things like nato, for the war in ukraine. you see the americans at the moment saying, the white house putting out the message that kim jong un's meeting with vladimir putin is a sign of desperation.

but vladimir putin won't be so desperate if donald trump wins because he will have time on his side in ukraine. we know how this war will go if donald trump wins and that will be a victory for vladimir putin. i'm not sure they see him as a fool. i think there's much more nervousness about what a second term would mean. >> an unbelievable state of affairs. director brennan, katty kay, thank you for starting us off on this. general mccaffrey will be back later in the hour. why the ruling against ex-white house staff mark meadows a big blow to the twice impeached four times indicted ex-president. tim mathy will be our guest after a short break. don't go anywhere. t after a short break. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh.

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mark meadows, former chief of staff to disgraced ex-president donald trump has now filed an emergency motion after a federal judge rejected his request to move his georgia criminal interference case to federal court. he's seeking to pause the order pending an appeal. today the 11th circuit court of appeals has ordered the state to respond to meadows' motion by noon tomorrow. meadows faces charges alongside 18 other codefendants, including of course donald trump. at least four of whom have also asked to remove their cases to federal court. any ruling in this case has larger implications, of course, for all 19 defendants, including the ex-president, as we hurdle toward a possible october trial date. joining our conversation, former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee, tim hafe. i regret every day i didn't go

to law school, i went to journalism school. one of the things that's unclear to me, mark meadows is arguing his case should be moved from state court to federal court because he's acting adds a federal government official. what federal function did you find in your investigation when a white house chief of staff is involved in manufacturing knowingly fraudulent slates of fake electors? >> yeah, you'd of been a good lawyer, nicolle, because you're putting your finger on the core issue. as the judge found, the things that meadow was doing as alleged in the georgia indictment involve a classic state function, the conduct of elections. that is constitutionally delegated to state governments, and political activity, which is by statute, the hatch act outside of the permissible scope of the duty of the federal employee. mark meadows testified, that essentially, his authority is limitless and everything he does is somehow related to his

official position. that flies in the face of the constitution that says elections are for state officials and the statute that says political activity really has to be separate from official functions of federal employees, predictably the judge, when he distilled what meadows is alleged to have done, and listened to meadows describe specifically what he did, found that it is not within the scope of his authority that it is rather outside of that authority and appropriately charged in state court. >> and, i mean, fani willis's team has the goods, they have the e-mail where he's so brazen in the conduct, which is -- violations of the hatch act are small potatoes, compared to inciting a deadly insurrection, but they so flagrantly disregarded what are supposed to be lines between what the white house officials do and campaign officials do that it seems that the evidence you develop would make that the tip of the iceberg. i mean, he wants to go to the

willard where roger stone and the plotters for the insurrection are meeting and but for cassidy hutchinson saying, i don't think that's a good idea, boss, he doesn't go, but calls in, and flies to georgia, to meddle in state election authority, it seems like the body of political/coup plotting activities is pretty vast for mark meadows. >> absolutely. and look, his interpretation of this statute would essentially make any white house chief staff, and any president, essentially immune from prosecution, right, it can't be that everything you do as white house chief of staff, because it's within your official authority is somehow protected and can't be touched by state officials. there's a limiting principle. it has to be appropriate. it has to be consistent with your official responsibility, and meadows did not show that. the judge found, when questioned about the scope of his authority. meadows was unable to explain

the limits of such authority. that's really telling. that expansive view, everything i do that's official business is not consistent. and by extension, nicolle, i think where you're going here is does that have implications for a similar motion by the former president and others, absolutely does. the same analysis will apply to a similar motion by the lead defendant in that case that everything he did, similarly was within his official function as president of the united states, and the judge will have to go through the same analysis. >> based on what you're seeing in these rulings, and some of meadows' early legal failures, the first pile up of failures that his highly regarded attorney has stacked up so far, where do you think this is heading? where do you think the georgia cases are heading? >> yeah, they're headed to the 11th circuit, as, you know, your intro here indicated. the 11th circuit will consider it quickly. i do think like the trial judge, the 11th circuit will likely

expedite consideration of this. i don't know that they'll stay, the state court proceeding, there's a fundamental question as to whether this is an issue that is appealable or should impact the steady progress of the state case. you could reserve this for the potential appeal of the state case and continue to appeal the trial judge's ruling while the case goes forward. i expect meadows to use every possible appellate remedy that he has. but as he loses, as you said, there's increased pressure on him to go to plan b, which is to tell the truth to the people of a trial jury, not just a grand jury, about everything that happened with respect to the multipart plan to disrupt the joint session and protect transfer of power. he has a powerful card to play, and as he keeps losing, more and more pressure to play that card. >> do you think he has still not fully cooperated and shared

everything he knows with jack smith? >> i doubt it. i don't know. i mean, i think from the fact that he's charged in a state case suggests that he has not been fully cooperative. this is usually an all or nothing thing, and as you said, he's got very experienced counsel and the advice almost always is look, you're either in or you're out. you're cooperating fully or you shouldn't open your mouth, right? you can't go halfway. so my guess is, he has not cooperated fully because he's been charged in georgia. he may yet be charged in federal court. as we've discussed, the fact that jack smith has issued one indictment against the former president does not preclude the possibility of subsequent indictments against coconspirators or others. my guess is no. i don't know that for a fact. i suppose there's a way that he could have sort of parsed it issue by issue, but generally, it's an all or nothing thing, and the indictment suggest it was not sufficiently thorough to

get them out of exposure. >> mark alias was here during this hour, and he has a provocative piece about how the criminal indictments we have seen are silent on the legal scheme, the gambit of having the case get to the supreme court through the -- i think it ended up being 126 house republicans sign on to the suit. was that something you guys looked at and examined and didn't pursue, or what was your thought on that? >> we looked at the trump versus pence case, and the sort of back channel discussions about it. you know, mike pence was defendant in that case, and the justice department was involved in a potential defense there. i think it's harder with all due respect to mark alias to allege that the filing of litigation in the supreme court is somehow an overt act and a criminal

conspiracy. litigants have a right to bring forth claims and the president had a right and did exercise that right to put forth 62 claims alleging various manifestations of election fraud, and this was yet another attempt to litigate the scope of the vice president's authority, and it was unsuccessful. >> right. >> arguing that that was akin to pressure on brad raffensperger or summoning the mob by saying, we have to fight like hell. i see it as fundamentally different, asserting rights as a litigant. you could argue it was a baseless claim, another overt act and courts are equipped to resolve that. the remedy is dismissal of the claim, that is exactly what has occurred when the case did get to the supreme court. i see the relevance, i don't see it as anywhere close to akin to the much more nefarious conduct that is alleged. >> the committee seemed to take at least the public posture that

all of those defeats in court piled up the evidence of the wrongness and the lack of evidence at the actual fraud claim at the root of all of it. that seemed to be how the congressional committee treated it the and supreme court said it lacked standing, but the 61 cases that were defeated and some by trump appointed judges seemed to be viewed by the committee and jack smith as further evidence of the lack of any sort of credibility in the fraud claims themselves, is that right? >> yes, look, again, you're issue spotting like a trained lawyer, even though you're not. they inform his intent. when you go to court, and you say, hey, the election was fraudulent, and hey, this procedure wasn't followed and judge after judge after judge says, no, dismissed, a theory in search of factual support. he lost so consistently and so repetitively that that informs his intent, right? every subsequent act he takes

based on those rejected claims that judges threw out are more and more nefarious. they're relevant. and look, again, in america, you have a right to go to court. that's where these disputes frankly should rise or fall. once they fall, you can't keep going based on these baseless theories that have been rejected and use them to raise money, and to pressure people to go up to the capitol and to ultimately try to prevent the transfer of power. that's what he showed he did. the litigation is relevant but it isn't in and of itself criminal, it's frankly where he should have stopped. >> and it helps illustrate intent. >> thank you so much for spending time with us today. >> thanks, nicolle. senator tommy tuberville reveals just how much he actually understands about the united states military as pressure is finally starting to build over his one-man blockade on pentagon promotions over abortion health care policy.

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. it is my view that the senate ought to vote on these nominations, especially those at the very top. there is nothing disrespectful about a confirmation vote. if we do not vote on general brown's nomination, then that is entirely, entirely the fault of

the democratic majority that runs this floor. >> i was confused. senator tommy tuberville's perplexing speech and sense of urgency on the senate floor yesterday calling on democrats to clean up the national security mess that he single handedly created by blocking hundreds of u.s. military promotions and confirmations in protest of the pentagon's policy that gives military families the same access to reproductive health care in this country that they would have if they were stationed anywhere in the world. the blockade has left three military branch without confirmed chiefs in place. for the first time in the entire history of the department of defense as well as putting general charles q. brown's nomination for chairman of the joint chiefs of staff on hold, which could leave the highest ranking position in the u.s. military vacant on october 1st when general mark milley is statutorily required to leave no matter what, which is just another layer, it turns out of

tuberville's profound and embarrassing ignorance about the u.s. military and his own unprecedented damage to our national security. watch this exchange. >> have you had any more conversations with d.o.d. or the white house or anything? >> no. >> do you expect to speak to them before milley's retirement date? >> what is that, the end of the month? i don't know whether he'll go anywhere until they get somebody confirmed. >> he has to leave. >> he's out. we'll get somebody else to do the job. but hopefully it's done by then. >> hopefully what's done? you're the problem. joining our conversation, former u.s. senate candidate retired lieutenant amy mcgrath. general mccaffrey is back as well. i think people who don't pay attention to politics understand that general milley is done, it's a term and it's over. i mean, we're learning, i guess,

more about the depths of political cravenness as well as the depths of ignorance of tommy tuberville, amy? >> well, i mean, i think a lot of us have seen with senator tuberville, how ignorant he is. the fact that he has really no idea about national security policy, how the laws are enacted with regards to our military, that's not surprising to a lot of us. i think the bigger issue here, nicolle, is not senator tuberville's ignorance, it's the fact that the rest of the senate republican caucus, the members of the so-called party of national security have not stood up to him. he basically has had little push back. one member of the house this week stood up, the chair of the house foreign affairs committee, but, you know, it's been six months, and they haven't pushed back, and i think that shows, it

should show americans that this party is no longer the party of national security. they're no longer the party that care about rule of law, that care about the military, that care about our sanding around the world. if they are willing to or are allowing this guy to hold up in an unprecedented way these nominations, it's really just shows where their priorities are and that's not with our security, and it's not with our military. >> general mccaffrey, the reason they do it is no one is making it hurt. i wonder what you think the administration and the democrats should do to make republicans hurt for what is now an undeniable, last week it was made clear and no one questioned the voracity of the claim that is now impacting combat readiness. why not make that argument more publicly? >> well, it's a good question, you know, the senate is a body that controls its own rules, so the whole notion that they're going to both parties, not just

republicans, allow tuberville to sit on national security process in this manner is astonishing, look, we can't put a four-star general in a job unless the job is authorized by congress. so there will be a series of acting chairmen, chiefs of services, three-star generals, et cetera, but it's a statement, for example, when i try the confirmations of a three-star officer, i was not allowed to occupy the office into which i would be working when confirmed. so they have limited authority, foreign nationals won't understand who's going to be the chairman of the jcs in the coming year or two. it's an astonishing level of ignorance on the part of senator tuberville. this policy doesn't fund abortion, just put that on the table. it's a health care policy that secretary austin instituted by

executive order. they ought to fight it out, congress, but it should not impact military readiness in the manner in which it has, to allow this one ignorant senator to cause damages is astonishing. >> i was astounded that 9/11 came and went yesterday, and we honored, and the president honored in a really powerful speech, and we had the sacrifices of our military front of mind, and it still wasn't argued forcefully and frontally, frankly, president biden is doing his part, but i wonder if you would like to see a more organized and coordinated effort of people going out and articulating the damage this one ignorant politically craven senator is doing? >> absolutely. and nicolle, this isn't just one issue, i mean, if you look at what the republicans are doing, if you can list them off, i

mean, most of the presidential candidates are flippantly calling about the bombing mexico. you know, you have donald trump and his classified materials stealing war plans. the larger issue is, and what democrats need to focus on, is reminding voters that this republican party, it cannot be trusted with our national security anymore. if they're allowing the chaos caucus of which senator tuberville is a part of to really control their agenda, they can't be trusted to lead our military anymore, and we have to have trusted voices within the national security community stand up and say that. i think there's a time right now to do that in a way that reaches voters and reaches voters who maybe traditionally are independent or have voted republican because they have in the past been considered that

party that's strong on china or on russia and a part of, you know, being for the military. now we have a chance, now more than probably we ever had to be able to show voters, hey, this is not the case and remind them why. this is just another example with tuberville's stunts. >> you know, general mccaffrey, i remember watching the unprecedented smears on secretary austin and chairman milley from right wing media, and republican senators, and thinking it was so politically precarious for republicans to do that, but it's clear that they were laying the foundation for this. i mean, not having confirmed is part of deconstructing and destabilizing the institutions, and i wonder, again, what your prescription is for drawing more attention to the crisis. >> well, you know, it's interesting. i testified as a uniformed general officer in front of the house and the senate dozens of times and have gone back as a

civilian, and national drug policy director. as a general statement, both parties treated active duty officers in a nonpolitical manner. you know, they might be outraged at the policy, but they wouldn't see you as a partisan actor. we're now breaking new ground, which is extremely dangerous. we do not want the senior leadership of the department of defense uniformed or civilian for that matter, become involved in partisan politics. if tuberville continues to get away with this, this is six months right now. what is to prevent other senators from unilaterally demanding closures, the construction of three more sea wall attack submarines, does d.o.d.'s defense of the country turn into an individualized political dilemma in every case. we're really stuck. congress has to work their way out of this situation.

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. our libraries have become targets by a movement that disingenuously claims to promote freedom but is instead promoting authoritarianism. authoritarian regimes ban books, not democracies. tragically, our libraries have become the thunder tragically, our libraries have become the thunder dome of controversy and strife across our nation. the like of which we have never seen before. we need to take any hint of censorship seriously, because free speech is not only imperative to democracy but civilization. >> exposing to hypocrisy and danger of the republican led campaign to ban books all crass the country. with the start of the school year in full swing, it's worth to reminder that the efforts to take books off the shelves have soared. according to pen, america's index of school book ban's

latest number, there were 1,477 instances of individual books banned, affecting 874 unique titles in the first half of the last school year alone. that is up 28% in the last six months. joining us, aleksey giannulis. he affected the -- how did that who? >> first of all, thanks for having me on. seeing what's happening across the country as the state's librarian i felt it was important to be proactive and go on the offense. here in illinois if you ban books, you will not receive state grants from our office. it's that simple. we have to fight for our democracy, for our children, we have to fight for our librarians. >> i appreciate that you're not simply defending against the authoritarian move by trying to defend did individual books, that the only way to counter an authoritarian grab is to make

that act the illegal act. i want to ask you, though, about the books being harmed. clearly the books being banned target groups that probably need those books the most, and i wonder what we do in the interim to protect kids. >> absolutely, these book bans are damage our kids. we know that children and teenagers are already suffering from record numbers of suicide, depression, and books help counter isolation. they show a kid that there are possibilities, that there are different viewpoints, that they can relate and feel more confident. the answer is not getting rid of books, it's opening our libraries and allowing them to be a welcoming place for our kids and families, not a place that have become the thunder domes of controversy. here in illinois today after my testimony, seven library worse forced to close because of bomb threats. that's what we're seeing across the country. it's scary, it's dangerous, and

if we don't fight back, the authoritarians will win. >> you know, i was from elementary school on -- i found -- i spent a lot of time in the library, read a lot of judy blume, and i can't imagine getting through elementary school or beyond without having that place to go and sort of regroup. and if libraries and librarians are being targeted with threats of vviolence, i wonder how you elevate the issue and make sure the people threatening these safe spaces for kids are held accountable. >> i agree. and this to me is not about democrat or republican, this is about the freedom to learn, the freedom of speech, and making sure that we do what education has always been about, just teaching children to think for themselves. and unfortunately, this has become, you know, extremist fringe groups that are screaming from the rooftops about books

that they've never read. and what you have in certain communities is oneer two parents that are determining the circulation, the makeup of libraries for entire counts. that's not the way it should be done. we have to trust our librarians, who have advanced degrees and master of library science, masters library information science, to choose which books are in circulation and trust the process. that's a common sense approach. we are in the saying every single book should be in every single library. look, i've got three young daughters. there are a number of books that are not appropriate for them. but as a parent, it is inconceivable and unfathomable to me to tell another group of parent os families what books their kids should and should not be reading. >> what do you think -- the other thing that's amazing to me is if you actually have kids is the real battle is over the screens and what they look for in the screens, not what books are on a shelf in the library

that you only hope and pray as a parent they find their way into. what do you think they're afraid of? what do you think the threat in their view is, posed by a book? >> i think there's a guise of protecting children, which is really meant to go after lgbtq issues, african american authors, and it's dangerous, it's scary. i guess we shouldn't be surprised, but they're trying to change the subject at every chance we can. we have to allow children to understand children what's going on in the world, and we have to make sure that librarians have our support and that they know that we will fight for them. >> illinois secretary of state, thank you very much for spending time with us. we'll stay on the story. thank you. >> thank you so much. quick break for us. we'll be right back. ick break fs we'll be right back. my customer was enjoying her new car, when her windshield cracked. [gasp] >> customer: my car!

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finally for us, a bit of a homecoming of sorts. moments ago former first lady, former secretary of state, former senator hillary clinton returned to the white house in her first public appearance there since 2016. clinton was there, not as a visiting senator or secretary of state or first lady, but as an appreciator of the arts. she spoke alongside first lady dr. jill biden, celebrating the recipients of a global arts prize by the japan art association, an arts award that was originally celebrated at the white house by then first lady hillary clinton and then president bill clinton in 1994. for our part, we want to thank you for letting substance abuse your homes during these truly extraordinary times.

we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> reporter: thank you very much, nicolle. welcome to "the beat." we begin with new exclusive footage. the fulton county d.a. taking us through this footage of where donald trump was booked. this is brand new footage. the wall where he stood for the mug shot that went around the world. >> we were ready for the moment, and the women and men of the fulton county sheriff's office really stood firm in the belief of professionalism. he said, i recognize you from tv, and me being from southwest atlanta, i couldn't help but say, likewise. right? and so, ultimately turned him over to our captain, who was very thorough in processing all the individuals that were under the indictment. stoic and presidential, but