more entertainment than sources of objective truths. >> out here at complex. >> not all offices are the same because i'm at the complex office for the first time. and as you can see, it's popping. >> "the beat" with ari melber and it works beautifully. >> only news show with a lighter. >> only news show with a lighter. >> only news show with a lighter. that's it for tonight. "the reidout" starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> asking about this news that speaker mccarthy has formally launched an impeachment inquiry. >> oh, my god, really? oh, my gosh. oh, it's devastating. ooh, don't do it. please, don't do it. oh, no. oh, no. >> senator john fetterman

summing up the absurdity of kevin mccarthy's clown car caucus which is getting ready to launch an impeachment inquiry against president biden, despite zero evidence of wrongdoing. plus, my observations as i return from a trip to spain and ghana on the very troublesome history of organized religion here at home and around the world. religion can be quite beautiful but it's often used to justify some of the worst aspects of humanity, including right now with the maga right using it to justify almost every kind of abusive anti-democracy behavior. >> good evening, everyone. as you know, i have been away for a few days. i was in europe and africa and i'll have much more on that later in the show. as you travel fans know, getting out into the world gives you perspective. it's why it's such a great thing to do if you can swing it, even just to get outside your own hometown.

and africa for me personally is the most fascinating continent, not just because my family roots are there. it's just a fascinating place with a history we generally hear nothing about in american schools. when americans talk about africa, specifically the governments on the continent, what they usually think of is itinerant dictators who let their colonizers exploet their resources. ought ocrates who kill a bunch of their people and try to stay in power for life and tend to love russia. that's the stereotype. and there have been african leaders like that. on the other hand, there are perfectly normal, peaceful, stable democracies like ghana which is where my husband and i were last week. and people with money and big cities, the whole nine. when you actually talk to africans, they will often remind you that if four years, americans had exactly the kind of autocrat that we say they have, namely donald trump. i mean, trump did enrich himself and his adult children through

the presidency. jared walked away with a cool $2 billion from the saudis on top of what trump himself raked in from his hotels while president. including one that he leased in d.c. from the federal government. literally a million people died from covid on his watch in part due to his disinformation. he tried to stay in power using an armed coup. and stoked racial and religious hatred. and he loves russia. check, check, check, and double check. but if you ask republicans, the real bad guy, the actual autocrat, the criminal master mind behind a web of corruption, the one who has been lying to the american people while enriching him and his family is the same guy they simultaneously claim is a doddering old fool who can't tie his own shoe laces. he's like a marvel villain when he's awake and somehow he's running hunter biden's companies using only his feeble mind. that was the decree today from minor league house speaker kevin

mccarthy as he directed the house to open an impeachment inquiry into biden. >> we are committed to getting the answers for the american public. nothing more, nothing less. we will go wherever the evidence takes us. >> mccarthy says the chairs of three house committees will coordinate the inquiry. jason smith of ways and means and screamy jim jordan from judiciary will work with oversight chairman james comer. so here's where his evidence has taken us so far. >> have you found anything illegal while he was actually in office? >> well, we found a lot that's certainly unethical. we found a lot that should be illegal. >> there's no evidence that joe biden did anything illegally. >> well, if you look at the laptop and the emails between the president's son and his associates, they went to great lengths to hide joe's involvement. >> hold on a second, congressman. did you just say that the

informant is now missing? >> well, we are hopeful that we can find the informant. >> make it easy for us. what was the crime? >> well, the crime is that trading policy for money. >> which policy? >> well, we're going to get into that. >> for the love of god, just help our programming and tell us what the crime is. that is by the way the same jim comer whose investigations were called eight months of abject failure by a watchdog group. it's not just his investigations. over in the snalt, equally motivated trump defenders have done their part. senators ron johnson, one of the alleged bagmen for trump's coup try and chuck grassley, the backup plan if the pence thing didn't work out, looked into the bidens and found, wait for it, nothing. zero, zip. undeterred, kevin's little maga house will carry on. even though 11 days ago he said

he would not open an inquiry without a house vote. now, mccarthy appears to have capitulated to the loudest voices in the trumpiest flank of his caucus. marjorie taylor greene, his actual boss, gone kind of soft on her calls to impeach biden immediately. now asking for a tedious impeachment inquiry, also known as a fishing expedition. mccarthy is also ignoring conservative freedom caucus member ken buck who called marge's demands absurd. pointing out that no actual evidence exists to impeach joe biden. and mccarthy has completely disregarded the numerous vulnerable republicans who have warned him not to pursue impeachment. in less than one day, back at work, mccarthy said so what to all of that. why bring an inquiry to a vote that he can't win anyway? democrats most certainly aren't going to help him, and a bunch of vulnerable republicans are like nah, so it's yolo time.

why? its order to get his hands on the precious gavel, he sold his soul over the course of 14 votes in january. impeachment is the price of kevin mccarthy being speaker, full stop. even the inquiry isn't enough for the chaos caucus. minutes after he spoke, maga matt gaetz went to the house floor and called the impeachment inquiry a baby step and added this. >> mr. speaker, you are out of compliance with the agreement that allowed you to assume this role. the path forward for the house of representatives is to either bring you into immediate total compliance or remove you. >> heal, dog. >> house republicans will move forward with their evidence-free impeachment inquiry. since they have been gutting their own intellectual capacity since the tea party movement and replacing normal politicians with cranks and conspiracy

theorists it's a mystery how they'll make their case since they have no facts, no case, and nobody in their ranks who can do this. >> it was an attack to our republic, to our democratic process. >> you know you can't trust this president do what's right for this country. you can trust he will do what is right for donald trump. >> the times have found us at tom payne, the namesake of my son. the times that found us, is this america, what kind of america will we be? it's now literally in your hands. >> joining me now is simon rosenberg, democratic strategist and author of the hopium chronicles. my friend, it is mind boggling to me a bit that republicans who don't have a lot of heavyweights, to be kind, they don't have a lot of constitutional scholars on their

team. they have a lot of cranks. they don't have anybody that's going to get up there and be articulate. they don't have a jamie raskin. they don't have that. but also, more importantly, they don't have any facts. you're a strategist in the political world. why would they bother with this enterprise? >> my theory of the case is over the summer, their indictment of biden as president became much weaker. the economy continues to be strong, inflation is way down, his border plan is working. murder rates are way down, so the issues around crime, the border, inflation, the economy, which are the key things they have been attacking biden on, have sort of evaporated over the last few months. what do they have left to feed the right-wing noise machine beast every day? they had to go after biden as man, as father, as a person, not as president. and the problem is, that's a losing strategy for them. there's a feeling of, i think, desperation, something deeply pathetic about what's happening

here. and it's a sign of weakness, not strength, for them. i think their main thing they have to do is indict biden as president. that's become very hard. so now they're moving to the next target, biden as old man, as corrupt guy. this is in the thin gruel. >> they can't be both. they used hillary clinton and turned her into the wicked witch of the west, and they clawed away just enough from her, and then when of course good old fbi came out and said, yeah, we may be looking into her emails, that was just enough to squeak trump through. i guess the hope is they can dirty him up a little bit. kevin mccarthy and what's her name, marjorie taylor greene, they're admitting they're doing this to rev up the base. she said we can't rev up the base if we don't do this. here is my question again on strategy. you can't say he's both a drooling old man who literally cannot tie his own shoes and is probably not even, you know, awake most of the day and

someone else is controlling the presidency, and he's a master criminal who actually is the one running hunter biden's companies and we love guns, but hunter biden getting a gun means he's a criminal, you know what i mean? you're piling a lot of crap on. it doesn't match. >> i don't think logic and sense is a primary concern of republicans. look, there's a sense they're throwing stuff against the wall here. they're losing this election. they're not going to beat joe biden, if the economy is strong, our allies, the west has come back together. joe biden has been a very good president. the country is better off. and they have donald trump. and they know that this is going to be really hard. so i think the expectation we all have to have is that in their desperation, they're going to start doing more outrageous things as even as outrageous as they have been over the last few years, i think this is a beginning of a sign of the unraveling of the republican party in this desperate effort to make this election competitive. >> a lot of us remember the hillary clinton hearings where

kevin mccarthy foolishly didn't become speaker because he admitted they were doing it in order to dirty her up. she lasted 11 hours in withering questioning and did great and it helped her. you tweeted this. you tweeted the following, the end of american democracy recession, economic ruin, plutocratic tax policy, rolling back climate changes, 10-year-olds giving birth to their rapist's babies and russian victory in ukraine. that is what they're selling. in your view, is this impeachment of biden so they don't have to talk about that? >> it's a side show. if they can't beat biden on foreign policy and the economy, they're not going to win the election. right now, he's doing well. this is all a side show. i go back at a strategy level. they're talking about hunter and biden's aides, they're losing the election. they need to be talking about the stuff that matters to the american people. i think this is going to re-enforce how far away they have become, away from the electorate and how they have become distracted by politics

and not by the primary reason that they were sent there, which is to do good for the american people. this re-enforces the worst of the republican brand. >> i can't argue with that. simon, thank you very much. let's bring in jamie raskin of maryland, ranking democrat on the house oversight committee, and thank you for, i know you had to run and get a vote in, so thank you for coming back and joining us. i want to talk to you about this. because donald trump was impeached twice. the first impeachment, ironically enough, was about the same stuff that is being rehashed in order to try to impeach joe biden. the same burisma stuff, stuff most americans who don't watch fox know nothing about. what do you make of the fact that it does feel in a sense like republicans are refighting a fight trump wants because he's obsessed with joe biden and hunter biden? >> well, that's right. donald trump is the one insisting upon the impeachment so he can establish some kind of false moral equivalency between

his abouterly corrupt reign, which now has led to 91 criminal charges versus joe biden's unblemished record. and you're right. ukraine shakedown was all about donald trump withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in security and strategic and economic assistance to ukraine in order to get president zelenskyy to falsely assert that there was a criminal corruption probe going on into joe biden. and in order to obscure the reality of that shakedown scheme, they concocted all these charges with rudy giuliani and lev parnas against biden, which didn't go anywhere, and today, you have lev parnas, who basically was the mastermind with rudy giuliani of that plot, writing a letter to me and chairman comer saying there is absolutely nothing there. call off the wild-goose chase. but we have returned to the beginning of these corruption

scandals or at least the ones that have been made public. we haven't really dealt with the emoluments clause scandal where donald trump was collected millions and millions of dollars for himself and his family during his presidency from foreign governments. >> glad you brought that up. our director put up a list of some of the previous presidents who were impeached. andrew johnson was literally running afoul of a law in trying to impeach the secretary of war. bill clinton, i think most americans regarded his impeachment as bs. the republicans wanted to get him and wanted to equalize the nixon impeachment, so they did it, and it made him more popular. then you of course have donald trump who did an insurrection, earned that impeachment for that, and the first one, tried to shake down ukraine. and i -- that is substance, what you said. it feels to me like if those screaming people on the other side start bringing up burisma and all that, it does invite one to say okay, now do trump

emoluments clause. now let's do jared getting $2 billion from the saudis. let's talk about the corruption of the trump administration. that is the natural recourse. and that is why i'm going to put up a list of some of the skeptical republicans who are like, yeah, maybe not. it's a long list. it's a long list of people, south dakota and arkansas and montana and ohio, red states. and blue states like pennsylvania. let me play you what john fetterman had to say. a little more of what high had to say about impeachment. >> it would be politically harmful for republicans. yeah, that's what i think. your man has, what, three or four indictments now, and you're gonna -- like i said, sometimes you just gotta call their [ bleep ]. >> it is, when you have a president who has been indicted not once, not twice, not three times but four times, he has

been found liable for sexual abuse and has two impeachments, to me, it sounds like they're just inviting democrats to start talking about that stuff as john fetterman said. is that what's going to happen in the house? >> well, you know that i'm the ranking democrat on the oversight committee against mr. comer. i can't tell you the number of democrats who have come up to me today to say let them do the impeachment. it will be the end of the republican party. it will end up in complete defeat and humiliation for them. i have a little too much respect and love for the constitution just to let them go down that road, without at least pointing out that the constitutional standard is treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. they don't have evidence of any wrongdoing at all of joe biden, and that's not for a lack of evidence. we have thousands and thousands of pages of documents that they have subpoenaed and gotten. dozens of hours of witness interviews that they have gotten, but far from proving their claims, it all disproves

their claims. it all shows that nobody has laid a glove on joe biden, and he wasn't involved in any of hunter biden's business activities. so that's really the end of the case. but you were making the sharp point that half of the impeachments in american history of presidents have been against donald trump. two of the four and the last one ended up not just with the successful impeachment vote in the house, but a 57-43 vote, the most widespread bipartisan, bicameral renunciation and denunciation of a president's activities. and that incidentally is what gives, i think, a lot of impetus to what's going on around the country in terms of trying to block donald trump from even getting on the ballot because of section 3 of the 14th amendment, which says if you have engaged in insurrection or rebellion, you can't serve again in office. and so he's already been essentially found to have engaged in insurrection by both

the house and the senate as a legislative fact. >> and the reality is, doesn't this impeachment attempt end the moment that hunter biden's business partner gets up, puts up his hand, and says joe biden had nothing to do with hunter biden's business? that is game over, and if that ain't game over, the senate, which has a slight bit more dignity on the republican side, just a little bit, they're not going to take this up. so it will be a waste, literally a waste of time, and a televised inquiry that's going to embarrass republicans. i don't get it. are people coming up to you in the background and saying we don't want to do this, some republicans, maybe some i have named and maybe some i haven't? >> a lot of republicans think politically, it's lunatic for them to go down this road. but just think for a second what's happening. you have people who actually witnessed the insurrection that was incited and unleashed by donald trump, which he continues to praise to this very day and says he's going to pardon at

least a substantial portion of the insurrectionists. but people who witnessed that, who voted against impeaching the president or against convicting the president despite all of the powerful evidence that he had incited the insurrection, they voted no on that. but they're going to vote yes to impeach joe biden for what? nobody even knows what the charges are. nobody can even articulate what high crime and misdemeanor they think he's guilty of. >> well, according to fox, it's being in any way relationed to poor, sad hunter biden. apparently that's his crime. being his father and not despising him. according to fox. it's going to be -- what a time to be alive. thank you, congressman jamie raskin. up next on "the reidout," donald trump made his first attempt last night to get charges against him dismissed in the georgia election interference case, and his 18 codefendants are hard at work trying to save their own skin. "the reidout" continues after this.

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. as can be expected ipany criminal case with multiple codefendants, donald trump and the 18 others charged in georgia's election interference rico case are flooding the zone with court filings. with each defendant filing motions to try to save their own individual behinds. the twice impeached four times indicted former president filed numerous motions just last

night, marking his first real attempt to get the charges against him dismissed. several of those motions piggybacked on the arguments already put forward by some of his codefendants, including the ongoing efforts by trump's former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, and others to try to move their cases from georgia state court to federal court. meadows' request was denied last week but he's requested a judge pause that ruling as he appeals to the 11th circuit. in a court filing today, d.a. fani willis' office replied asking the court to deny the request for a stay. writing that meadows' legal team failed to make a persuasive case he would win on appeal, adding that meadows' filing didn't even address the substance of the court order to get his georgia trial under way. joining me now is paul butler, former federal prosecutor, professor of law at georgetown university and msnbc legal analyst, and katie phang, former florida prosecutor, msnbc legal contributor, and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc. this is our dynamic duo.

we like to bring you together. let's start talking about this attempt to get a stay. mark meadows playing for time. how likely is it that he'll get a stay? >> it's very unlikely because he does not have a case. he's trying to get the case moved from state court to federal court. and he's trying to get it dismissed. so he gets it removed if he can prove that he was carrying out federal responsibilities and that's the subject of the criminal charge. last week, a trial judge told him in no uncertain terms he had no federal business in georgia. under the constitution, administering elections, that's a state responsibility. president trump had nothing to do with that. that didn't stop him, as we all know. trump threatened those election workers. and these motions, again, it's really donald trump who is being

implicated. fani willis loves the part of this where the defendants are demonstrating it's every woman and man for themselves. it's not like 19 people versus fani willis. they're all looking to make a deal, looking to get a break. even if that means implicated the former president, as we saw mark meadows do last week when he said everything that he did was directed by donald trump, not a defense for mark meadows, very incriminating for donald trump. >> very interesting because katie, it does feel like there's a breaking point coming in these 19 cases because the only way to get out of it if you're one of these other 18 people is to say trump did it. and for him, the easiest way to get out of it is to say they did it. they do not have mutual interests, including mark meadows and trump. >> yeah, so there has been a number of test balloons that i would say have already been raised. one was the mark meadows attempt to remove to federal court. that was a test balloon that

trump was watching very carefully to see if this argument that i was acting as a federal official would give trump the same cover to try his run at moving to federal court. we saw how poorly that worked out for mark meadows. there's still a pending hearing on monday for jeff clark, who was a federal official at the time, purportedly, as well as three fake georgia electors whose hearing is set for wednesday, september 20th. but the reason why i say there's more test balloons about to come up is this expedited speedy demand that was a calculated gamble made by kenneth chesebro and sidney powell who are currently bound together, even though powell has filed yesterday a motion to sever her case from chesebro. people are saying i do not want to be shoulder to shoulder with you in court, but that case is going to go to trial october 23rd. i want to emphasize something for all of your viewers. discovery cutoff is september 20th. what is today's date, september 12th? you're going to see discovery cut off by september 20th. they have to file motions by september 27th. they will be argued and the next

jury is going to be starting to be picked on october 23rd. so in terms of division in a joint defense, you can bet your bottom dollar, and paul will agree with me, i'm sure, there are some very hard conversations that are being had right now between kenneth chesebro and sydney powell's lawyers and their clients, because even kenneth chesebro today filed a motion that said, you need to dismiss this indictment, judge, because everything i did was in good faith as a lawyer for my client at the time. so you're already seeing more finger pointing in the legal filings, and so they're going to try to save their own hides by pointing fingers. who else are you going to point it to? you have to blame one person and you have to blame donald trump. >> let's talk about what happened in georgia today. blayne alexander, she did an interview with the sheriff of fulton county, on why, he explained why he insisted trump take that mugshot. take a listen.

>> we have 3600 detainees. 85 to 90% look like you and i. and they don't have that choice. we don't give them that choice. and they aren't simply accused of a crime as well. and so this accusation, this indictment really at its highest level, i have a responsibility to our community to make sure that we are equal across the board and what that looks like. have i received death threats because of it? absolutely. absolutely. >> thoughts. >> death threats for making the point that no person, including the president of the united states, and the former president, is above the law? death threats for that, really? donald trump thinks that the fulton county courthouse and jail are for black people and for poor people and for brown people. he thinks that he has no business there. people like fani willis, people

like the sheriff, people like judge chutkan are doing their jobs objectively and dispassionately, and making the case that nobody, including a rich white male billionaire is above the law. >> neither of the five officers charged in the tyre nichols murder. they're now facing federal charges. >> yes, and they're all african american. you can be black and still pick up a civil rights violation from the justice department. so it's not going to increase their punishment if they're convicted. they're looking at up to 15 years or ten years for these charges, but for the second degree murder state charges, they could get 15 to life. the good news, though, is that the new justice department under merrick garland, under president biden, is back in the business of civil rights. donald trump, ag barr, they got out of that business. but now, not only do we have these federal civil rights charges in memphis, also against

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transforming our public schools. narrator: california's community schools: reimagining public education. it sure feels good to be back. for those curious where i was and who don't follow me on the tiktok and instagram, the hubs and i spnt three days in madrid before embarking on our dream week-long trip to ghana where we both have ancestral origins. fun fact, so many jamaicans were gunayens before, they can travel to ghana without obtaining a visa. we both needed them however. one of the interesting things about heading to europe and africa back to back is it brought home what robert robby

jones wrote in his book, the hidden roots of white supremacy. which we discussed on these show last week. that is just how central the christian churches, the catholics, presbyterians etsaraa were in the grisly enterprise of the slave trade. many of the gorgeous churches burr built in the age of exploration where they were funded by spain's kings to get out there and find gold, to finance and guild those massive churches and build the fortunes and castles of the monarchs. and also the slave castles in places like cape coast in the gold coast present day ghana. also built in the 15th century. and as for any indigenous people, the explorers encountered, the so-calle indians, all they had to do per the catholic church's doctrine of discovery is attempt to

convert them to christianity. if they resisted in any way, they had the permission to conquer them, kill them, enslave them for life, and most importantly, to dispossess them of their land with or without a treaty. conquerors enslaved large groups of the newly encountered groups, worthing many to death, and then a spanish clerjyman who noted the high deatherates from european illnesses among the indigenous slaves in the americas suggested using africans instead, and the arms race was on between the european kingdoms to set up slave trade bases in africa and by prisoners of tribal wars or use slave catchers to kidnap as many people as possible. europeans literally fought many wars with each other to hold on to these slave castles. they protected them with literal armies and cannons. that's how valuable the slave trade was. one of the wildest facts about

the slave castles was that churches were literally deliberately built directly on top of the dungeons where the captured africans were kept so the godly governors running the place and their soldiers could contemplate the almighty, while literally below their feet, men and women packed into the crowded pitch dark cells were loudly suffering and often dying, having to eat, sleep, defecate, urinate, and everything else on the same dank floors. and any who didn't go blind or die were forced at gunpoint through the door of no return and on to slave ships bound for the new world, never to be heard from again. those who did die in the slave dungeons did not receive christian burials despite the church's overhead. their bodies were pitched into the sea, millions of africans were transported across the atlantic as human property. the atlantic slave trade was the largest forced human migration in world history. millions never survived the infamous middle passage across

the atlantic. their souls lying beneath the sea between africa and the americas. and these right wingers act all shocked there would be black mermaids. among those who did survive is my ancestor, later a converted christian renamed midgy johnson. she was born in 1800 in ghana, and as a six or seven-year-old was incarcerated in one of those slave castles in ghana and shipped to present day guyana with her mom. she actually lived to be 106 years old. she died in 1906, 23 years before my own mother was born. the stuff is not ancient history, y'all. and history is fascinating. americans should consider making it legal to teach in schools here. the last thing i will add is when you look at the sometimes viemant history of organized religion from the slave trade to the crusades, the spanish inquisition and the witch trials to the religion based conflicts in places like israel palestine

or the emergence of right wing christianity based white supremacy here in the u.s., it should not surprise you that the base of support for far right policies on banning books and distorting history, on abortion, on lgbtq issues, even support for cults like qanon and the cult of personality around donald trump, are grounded in religious extremism. i'm not saying religion is always bad. sometimes it does beautiful things, but organized religion has, shall we say, a colorfully mixed history. right now, religious extremism mixed with white nationalism and that trump cult of personality are straining our society and our democracy to the breaking point. and the question is, what do we do about it? frank schaefer, whose very own father once galvanized the relidging right, joins me next to try to get to an answer. stay with us.

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neighbor as yourself. the guy these people claim to believe in. take marjorie taylor greene, the qanon curious georgia congresswoman who yesterday on the anniversary of 9/11 tweeted and i quote, states should consider seceding if the president doesn't change his policies at the southern border. please. nobody tell her jesus was a refugee. she might try to deport him. joining me now is frank schaefer, film director, screenwriter, and author of the book, why i am an athiest who believes in god. i'll allowia to comment on a member of congress saying that we should secede, i guess maybe not her state, we should secede from the union if immigrants are not mistreated. that's not real biblical. >> yeah, joy. let me say, the introduction you gave with your trip to ghana and slave trade is really sadly the perfect background to address this subject. this week in washington, there's

a group meeting of christian leaders, pray vote stand, at which marjorie taylor greene, donald trump, desantis, and the rest of the crew will all speak. and this same group is very much aligned these days with

are very much in line with the history of christian conquests. they are not the anomaly. they are the norm. what is the anomaly is the wonderful breathing space we were given by the civil rights movement. what is the anomaly is this idea that somehow equality and

freedom should coexist. you know, we're the only country on earth right now that has even attempted a truly multiracial, multicultural society built on our broken history of slavery. that we have tried to move beyond. now these people, the republican party, this week pray vote stand, if you go online and look at their website, it reads like a primer on how to strip american democracy away and replace it with christian nationalism, a theocracy that t we would recognize, indeed, much more akin to the women's fight in iran against their government where they're raped in police stations. let's just remember something. viktor orban, who is the friend of all these people, a big fan of tucker carlson, who quotes him all the time and invites him over, has started to move his country towards an authoritarian

model that fox news, tucker carlson, the republican party, donald trump, all these others want to emulate here in america. and so sadly, and genuinely it breaks my heart. when i was listening to you talking about your trip to ghana, this is not past history. this is now. and it is going to repeat here in the united states unless we crush and i choose that word advisedly, this snake in our midst of a combination of racism, white supremacy, which you pointed out so well in the segment before our little talk here, and the rise of christian nationalism. this is all one and the same reactionary movement. these people are holding hands across the distance of history, which as you rightly point out is not so long ago, with the slave trade. they are rolling us back into an era where what was where what ws unthinkable even 20 or 30 years

ago in america is now becoming think-able. it is no coincidence that there is also arise of antisemitism, that elon musk, today, we have echo of henry ford in 1920 who started an antisemitic newspaper railing against jews. these things all go together. white nationalism, christian nationalism, antisemitism, this is the world the republican trump cult has brought us, and every american who loves their country must stand up against these people with tooth and nail. it is a life and death struggle. this is a not a moment for faltering. >> amen. you can get an a man,, frank schaffer, it's always a pleasure. we'll be right back. . we'll be back with a special announcement. announcement save and spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts with her new debit card. hungry? -uhuh. the designer's eyeing sequins.

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hayes, i want to let the readers know that chris is taking his podcast why is this happening back on the road. i will be joining chris at the film or in philadelphia on monday, october 16th. for ticket information scan q r code on your screen or go to an msnbc.com with pod tour. a lively discussion, and here he is right now, oh chris, there he is. hey,. >> >> i am so excited about this. i was talking in a meeting

today, i don't think, i've known joy forever, i've had her on the show millions of times, but i have never interviewed her. i haven't gotten the fuel and i'm very excited and i'm so glad you gonna join us. >> we're gonna be in philly. we're getting cheesesteaks. and i'm excited to be on here. your podcast is amazing. i'm glad you're part of. it >> i can't wait to do. it thank so much joy. looking forward to it. thank you. joy we here at all in have a busy show. let's get right to it. >> tonight on all in -- >> why aren't they impeaching biden? why hasn't he been impeached yet? >> and i've ex president orders of impeachment. >> today i am directing our house committee to open impeachment inquiries. >> offenses to help finish the coup. political tack in