of responding. thank you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the climactic end to an intense ly dramatic 14-day long manhunt, and the moment an entire community had been waiting and praying for. >> shortly after 8:00 a.m., our suspect was captured. >> our nightmare is finally over, and the good guys won. >> the words of the chester county d.a. this morning as residents there can finally exhale after a tactical team in camo armed with long guns and highly trained dogs captured escaped killer danelo cavalcante. we'll dig deep into those movie worthy details in just a minute. also, a seattle officer

caught on tape appearing to mock a 23-year-old pedestrian who was hit and killed by a car driven by another officer. he claims those comments were taken out of context and that he tried to come clean to the department, but the chief is telling another story. and north korea's kim jong-un toasting russia's vladimir putin even as he predicts a russian victory over, quote, the forces of evil in the west. so what is he willing to do to make that happen? we've got those details coming up. but we begin with the images that have captured a nation today. take a look, this is the moment danelo cavalcante was escorted out of an armored truck by officials at the avondale state police barracks just before 9:00 a.m. stripped down to just his underwear and shoes wrapped in a foil blanket. the capture the result of nearly two long weeks of efforts by 500 members of law enforcement to bring the escaped fugitive to

justice. they took cavalcante by surprise, tipped off by a nearby resident's home alarm tracking him down using thermal heat technology and mobilizing a highly specialized police unit until just after 8:00 a.m., a police dog pinned down cavalcante before a single shot could be fired. >> tactical teams converged on the area where the heat source was. they were able to move in very quietly. they had the element of surprise. cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded until that had occurred. that did not stop him from trying to escape. he began to crawl through thick underbrush taking his rifle with him as he went. one of the customs and border control teams bortac had a dog with them. they released the dog. some of our cert members were also there, had him surrounded.

the dog subdued him and team members from both of these teams immediately moved in. he continued to resist, was forcibly taken into custody. no one was injured as a result of that. excuse me. he did sustain a minor bite wound. >> with me now nbc's kathy park following all of it for us, e retired atf special agent in charging, jim kavanaugh, and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. so many questions. i can only imagine what this is like for that community that has been living in fear. we know that he was being brought in for questioning. do we know if he's cooperated? give us any other details you have both about the community reaction but also what we know about danelo cavalcante right now. >> reporter: hey, chris, good afternoon to you. obviously a huge sigh of relief for this community on edge for the last two weeks, but incredibly this manhunt ended

not too far from where we are standing right now. we're about 25 miles north of the chester county prison. cavalcante escaped roughly two weeks ago now, and we are standing at this tractor dealership, and we are told according to authorities that cavalcante was cornered in the woods behind me here shortly after 8:00 this morning, but we heard from lieutenant colonel bivens earlier this morning. he said there was a series of events that played out that ultimately led to his capture. so right after midnight during the overnight hours, there was an alarm that was triggered and obviously there's a huge law enforcement presence in the area already. they moved new. there was no seen of the suspect, but also right around that time, there was an aircraft hovering nearby, and they noticed there was a heat signal on the ground. they were closely following this heat signal, but chris, around that same time as well, there was bad weather that moved in, so authorities say the helicopter had to pull out. so obviously this area was on

high alert at that time, but then 8:00 this morning when the weather improved, that's when the tactical team moved in. they were able to find cavalcante. they were cornering him as i mentioned not too far from where we are standing. in the woods behind me, a k-9 was released and subdued cape canaveral -- cavalcante. that's when border patrol agency were able to move in and bring him in custody. here's a little more from today's press conference and how this all played out. take a listen. >> he was proned out. i've not been told that he wa asleep. i'm told that he was proned out trying to hide and then began to crawl away. i don't know that he was particularly skilled. he was desperate, and i've said that all along. you have an individual whose choice is go back to prison and spend the rest of your life in a place you don't want to be or continue to try and evade

capture. >> reporter: and chris, obviously still so many questions as to what the suspect, this fugitive was doing the past two weeks. obviously he was spotted several times in this area, and the perimeter kept moving. right now he is being processed at a local facility, and ultimately he will be transferred to a state prison. and right now they have not released that information. at the press conference, a lot of the reporters on the ground asked if there were additional charges, and right now they're going to be talking with the local d.a. here to see if that moves forward, but obviously, chris, a huge sigh of relief once again for this community on edge for the past two weeks. >> kathy, thank you for that. so jim, there are two ways to look at this, right? and we heard from all of the officials who spoke today, they see this as well done, a job well done, and look, nobody got hurt, no member of the public got hurt. they took him into custody. he had apparently a fairly minor dog bite that was treated on the scene. so for them, all of them, this

went according to plan. on the other hand, this was a community in virtual lockdown for two weeks. a lot of people have criticized the pace of the way this played out. how do you see it? >> i see it as the final equation is the safety of the citizens, and that was kept intact. and that was the job of law enforcement, the safety of the citizens of those counties, and they did that job, and they captured this guy without anybody getting hurt. yeah, there's a lot of foibles here. the fact that this guy escaped from the prison in the same spot using the same method as a guy that escaped in may, that's pretty sorry. so the county prison didn't take enough steps. they took some steps. they put some razor wire up, but it wasn't enough to stop a determined killer from getting out. so that's the mistake here. the law enforcement responsibility response, i mean, it's pretty textbook. they set up a great command post. they boarded all the resources, city, county, state, and

federal. they used all the tools, flir, fixed wing, dogs, tactical teams, night vision. they're doing everything they can do. once they got that alarm, chris, they went and responded to the alarm. didn't see anybody, but the d.e.a. fixed wing was in the area. they brought it in. it spotted a heat signature of a human in the brush, they brought tactical teams in, bortac and state police. the plane was chased away because of a storm. brought back earlier in the morning, they pinpointed the guy. he tried to call, they released the k-9 and he's apprehended, nobody hurt. a plus for law enforcement, the corrections staff has got to fix that prison, the legislators, the county commissioners, they've got to fix that and tighten it up. this is too much disruption for a community allowing people to get out like this. that's where they've got to make the fix. >> glenn, this really is a story that has riveted people. ky i can say just about everybody in our newsroom, the minute he was captured, all of

us were getting texts are from our friends wanting to know what's going down. think did take cavalcante in for an interview. one of the things they hope to learn is basically how'd he do it. they did give us one big clue at the press conference, and i want to play that. >> there were people who were intent and intended to assist him. we had been successful -- to the best of my knowledge, we had been successful in preventing that assistance from reaching him. >> let me ask you the legal question, if someone intended to help, tried to help him, even if they were unsuccessful, is that someone who could potentially be prosecuted? >> yeah, if you attempt it help a known fugitive evade apprehension, attempt can be tricky because you have to take certain steps toward the commission of the crime. you can't, for example, just talk about it but not act on it. it could very well be that others could face criminal liability here, and i think the investigation now will involve, you know, first and foremost the

facility itself, the security measures that obviously need to be enhanced and then whether anybody at the facility, whether an inmate or staff may have done anything to assist the inmate to escape, that will be part of the investigation, and then once he was a fugitive did anybody on the outside assist him in continuing to evade, and of course, chris, there will be a prosecution of this person who is now captured. there has already been reporting that a felony escape charge has been filed, presumably he will be arraigned on that charge shortly and people may ask why prosecute someone who's already serving life without the possibility of parole, and it sends an important message of general deterrence, nobody else better try this because regardless of the nature of the sentence, you are serving, you will be prosecuted and you will be given a longer sentence if

you're not already serving life without. >> yeah, jim, to glenn's point about this all started at the jail, i want to play for you what pennsylvania governor josh shapiro said about that. >> i think obviously there are questions that chester county officials are going to have to answer as to how this suspect was able to escape, particularly given the history at that jail. the department of corrections will do everything we can to complement the review that is obviously going to be necessary here in chester county. >> i mean, without a doubt this search had to cost millions of dollars and that jail had a recent history. they knew they had a problem because another inmate tried to escape, pretty much the same way as cavalcante was successful in escaping. what will an internal investigation look like, and what questions do you have about all of this, how it happened in the first place? >> yeah, well, i think the first escape in may they called in some security consultants who

recommended putting razor wire above the roof where the first inmate had escaped, but razor wire is good, but when you're -- when you're facing life without parole, you know you're willing to get cut up and run through that. it's not a total stop, and of course this guy is in a cubby hole that's maybe not inside of the guard tower, can't see. that should have been walled off. there should be no cubby holes like that in the yard. it should be basically, you know, a square, open rectangle where the forwards can see you, maybe inmates can hide another behind their back. there can't be any like cubby holes and dark recesses where you can turn into spider-man. they can fix that with a brick wall, which is a lot cheaper to build than the millions of dollars they just spent in this manhunt. so the legislators and county commissions got to look at that and just briefly chris, just to build on what glenn was saying, i think they will charge him with escape. they may charge him with a burglary and theft of the rifle from that house, even felony possession of a firearm. you know, they have other

charges to levy, and those are good messages, as glenn said, to other inmates. you might escape. not only will you be charged with escape, but you'll be charged with any crime you commit trying to get away, carjacking, assault, burglary, theft. every little thing you do on the way is going to be another charge. so maybe you're doing 20 years, you're going to wind up doing, you know, 60 years. it's a good deterrent. >> he's going to be in for life it looks like anyway. guys, thank you. we're going to talk a lot more in depth in our next hour about exactly what happened to get us to this point, but thanks to all of you for being with us right now. growing backlash meantime in seattle after a college student was hit and killed by a speeding police officer. the comment captured on body cam footage that sparked a firestorm of controversy. we'll explain in 60 seconds. we'll explain in 60 seconds. there's challenges, and i love overcoming challenges. ♪

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. in seattle yet another disturbing police controversy. officials this week releasing body cam video that appears to show a police officer joking about the death of a 23-year-old college student shortly after she had been struck and killed by the car driven by a fellow officer. johnavee kondula who was about to graduate in september, who wanted to support her mother in india was hit by an officer speeding to the scene of an overdose. his clock 65 miles an hour in a 25 miles per hour zone. it is the comments of his fellow officer, daniel otterer who is also vice president of the local union, that are now under investigation, and the question is whether the part of the conversation you're about to hear was some form of dark humor as he claims or evidence of something far more troubling at the heart of the police culture. take a listen for yourself.

>> he said she was in a crosswalk. there's a witness that says, no, she wasn't, but that witness could be different because i don't think she was thrown 40 feet either. i think she went up on the hood, hit the windshield, then when he hit the brakes, flew off the car. but she is dead. no, it's a regular person, yeah. just write a check, just -- $11,000, she was 26 anyway, she had limited value. >> she was actually 23. joining me now nbc's janelle griffith and retired nypd detective and director of black law enforcement alliance mark

claxton. good to have both of you here. janelle, what is the latest on the investigation and what do we know about this officer's claims that it was all just a big misunderstanding? >> yes, chris, so this officer is claiming that his comments were taken out of context and that he was actually in those remarks, he was mocking city lawyers and the discussion they would have in terms of negotiating any type of settlement regarding this young woman's death. now, it's worth noting, chris, that this video only came to light because a seattle police department employee saw it and was apparently so concerned by what they heard on the video that they reported it to their superiors and then it rose the ranks and eventually was handed over to the office of police accountability to be investigated like it is now. it's currently -- the investigation is ongoing. >> mark, when you hear those remarks, what goes through your head, even if this was just sarcasm or directed at lawyers? is that acceptable to laugh when

you're discussing the value of a life? >> chris, it's well-known and understood that in policing and law enforcement in general that police officers have a weird, unusual sense of humor and a morbid sense of humor at different times that's totally inappropriate. part of it is a defense mechanism to protect them from some of the things that they're exposed to. but in this particular case and many cases similar to that one, what it really depicts and what it shows is a deeper, more disturbing type of pathology, which is -- which dehumanizes individuals, and when you're talking about dehumanizing individuals, that's something that should always be outside of professional policing because the number one priority is the protection and preservation of human life. so when you can just freely have

this kind of flippant discussion about valuing -- actual valuing of a person, which is really -- it speaks a lot about how police and policing in this country really depends on your power and positioning, but to value a person and be as dismissive about the loss of human life is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with and points towards the deeper problem of toxic police culture. because if that's an environment, that person's laughing with someone who is a police officer and on top of that is somewhat representative in the labor force for other police officers, so there's a deeper toxic police culture that needs to be addressed. >> there are people who are very upset about this who want to see consequence, and i'm wondering through your eyes -- skpe with -- and we don't have all of the facts yet, either internally or criminally should there be

consequences, either for the first officer who was speeding when he hit the young woman, and i don't know what standard operating procedure is, she had, at least according to general rules, the right-of-way to be walking where she was walking. he was going 63 in a 25, but on his way to a report of an emergency. so that's one. the second is obviously the officer who made these remarks, and the fact that he might have not told the truth about whether he actually reported them or not because the chief and the swren general reporting now is that it came to light through someone else. >> those are all very important points, and they must be addressed during the course of a very deep diving investigation into all of the aspects of the incident itself. and part of what we saw on videotape is very relevant in the ongoing investigation, i'm sure. but quite clearly -- and i'm sure that the family is insisting on this and citizens

in general are insisting that there be severe punishment penalty if anyone is operating outside of the law, and that includes police officers because as i said, in addition to whatever criminal conduct may have occurred, there is an obligation in the profession itself to preserve and protect human life, and obviously there's a tremendous failure in this particular case. >> janelle, we don't want to forget the woman who is at the center of this, 23 years old, a graduate student from india. she was just months away from getting her masters degree. what more should we know about her? and have we heard from her family by the way? >> her uncle, she has an uncle in houston, and he declined to comment at length, but he said he did see the video and hear the comments and he said he would only ask that officer or the two officers on the call what value do their -- the women in their lives have, you know. everybody's life matters, a life

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pivotal in this -- in this part of the world and now because of ongoing close relationships with china and now vladimir putin needing north korea and specifically needing north korean rockets and artillery, this is an important moment for kim jong-un. i can't imagine that he walked away from these meetings feeling anything but empowered and emboldened, so yes, he went to this space station. he was there. he was given a personal tour by vladimir putin. he stayed for hours, the two of them repeatedly praising each other, toasting each other's health with putin saying that he can give support to north korea's space program. now, i've been to north korea. i've saw some of their satellites. they don't really have much of a space program according to u.s. officials and space experts. it's much more of an intercontinental ballistic missile program that north korea

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kim jong-un can get that will potentially help him by helping his people. >> sure, i mean, so according to international estimates, north korea suffers from a 1 million metric ton food shortage every year. that's under normal conditions. this is largely because of economic mismanagement and because the government makes a decision to devote most of the national resources to the weapons program rather than to things like mining their mineral resources, selling them on the open market, and then using that money to buy food or things of that nature. north korea doesn't have a lot of agrarian land in the mountainous part of the country. so i think, you know, they do need it, and what has made it worse is covid because north korea has been shut down for three years, literally they've been shut down for three years. even trade with china and russia has been shut down for three years. so they're completely stocked out when it comes to food, medicines, all these sorts of things. so they do need these things

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there is major concern in massachusetts today as more heavy rain is soaking neighborhoods that have already been devastated by catastrophic flash flooding. just take a look at this, in some areas more than 10 inches of water fell in six hours, roadways were completely submerged, cars destroyed, homes flooded. the ring was so much for some roads, which gave way to dangerous sinkholes that residents in leon minister say it was the most rain they have ever seen. >> within an hour it was like a lake. >> i've never seen anything like this. >> our store right now is caving in. this is our livelihoods. >> it's far from over. forecasters predict the rain could last at least through tomorrow. in libya, yet more devastation from flooding there with one government official now saying more than 6,000 people have died. that number expected to keep climbing with rescue and

recovery efforts still underway, but thousands missing. for those who did survive, many have nowhere to go. their homes washed away. the u.n. concludes at least 30,000 people have been displaced. nbc news correspondent josh lederman is in doha for us. what more do we know at this hour, josh? >> reporter: well, chris, even as that search and rescue operation is underway to find people who may still be alive under that rubble, the grim focus right now is on dealing with the bodies that are strewn all over the area of derna. everywhere you go you see bodies. you go onto the streets, there are bodies. you go into buildings, the same thing, you go on the beach, there are people being washed in from the mediterranean sea after being swept into the water after the flooding. so there's a big focus right now on trying to recover those bodies, put them into mass

graves or bring them to the yards of the hospitals to try to avert an environmental catastrophe that could come if those waters start to become polluted. we heard from one witness in derna who said that during this flooding he stood on the roof of his building watching as the waters hit the second floor of the building, women and children down below simply being washed away with the water. so that is the reality of what they are dealing with now. the good news is aid is starting to flow in to this region from neighboring countries like tunisia, algeria, egypt, the u.s., and other countries sending financial support and rescue groups starting to get some help on the ground there. they say it is not yet enough. they need more body bags. they need nurses, doctors, and medical assistance, and amid all of that, there are real questions about why there were not evacuation orders. why the infrastructure here was allowed to decay so much that these two bursts dams were able

to cause this much damage. you mentioned those 30,000 people estimated to be displaced. derna is a city of about 90,000 people. that means that about one in three people, chris, are going to have to look for a new place to live. >> such a desperate situation, josh lederman, thank you for that update. we appreciate it. mounting frustration in morocco as well where nearly a week after a powerful earthquake, some areas have yet to see any aid coming in, even as survivors struggle to bury the more than 2,900 people who were killed. with most roads too damaged to drive on, some rescue teams have had to hike up mountain sides to reach villages where most of the buildings were leveled. volunteers on the ground are hand delivering whatever supplies they can to survivors as the government is defending itself against criticism that it has not accepted more international aid. and coming up in our next hour, we will speak with a representative of the islamic

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world. senator mitt romney says he will not run for a second term saying -- and i'm quoting here -- it's time for a new generation to step up and shape the world they're going to live in. nbc's julie tsirkin is on capitol hill for us. also with us is eugene daniels, "politico's" white house correspondent. let me start with you julie, what else did mitt romney say about why he made this decision? >> he tweeted a video statement. his office is around the hall from where i'm standing now. he's going to brief the press further in a couple of minutes. he highlighted his work in the senate, he highlighted the political polarization. this is somebody who voted to convict the former president during that impeachment trial after january 6th. he stood on opposite sides as the former president did many times. this is somebody who liked his time in the senate. he enjoyed his time here. he notes in his video statement that he was part of many major pieces of legislation from covid

relief funding to the electoral count reform. he was somebody as i followed him, chris, up here, who has worked often across the aisle. he was part of major bipartisan discussions when it comes to the infrastructure plan, when it comes to all of these things that we frankly haven't seen much in the last couple of years as washington has been so divided. but he decided that the senator who's in his mid-70s decided that he will not run for re-election at the end of this current term. utah also a state that has changed politically. we saw that during the last election as well, and it's no secret that he serves here with senator mike lee who he doesn't always see eye to eye with, is not always on the same page with, and so now romney in this shocking statement announcing that he will not seek re-election. he will not run for office again. we're hoping to get some more from him in a couple of minutes when he talks to the press. >> so eugene, i'm looking at the statement again, and one of the things that he says is that obviously at age 76 another term would take him into his 80s, and probably it would be less

productive and less satisfying than his current term has been blaming both disarray he sees among house republicans and his own lack of confidence in the leadership of either president biden or potentially president trump if he were to be the nominee and to be reelected. this is yet another example of people who have been down the middle and no one has been more critical on his side of the isle than mitt romney of former president trump. that they just don't see a way for them to operate in congress the way things stand right now. >> no, and it's really interesting. mitt romney represents the kind of old school politician, right? the old school senator who disagreed with people but was able to figure things out, just laid out all the kinds of things that he worked on in a bipartisan manner. you know, he represents kind of the old school moderate, and so for someone like him who has also been independent, you know,

voting for -- to convict the former president, the leader of his party at that time, during that impeachment trial, this is someone who has wanted to be independent and seen that way, but it's too much. we've seen that over and over again, people who will be right in the middle, tugging with both sides, and hoping to find a common ground saying i can't do this anymore, and it says so much about the current state about not just american politics but also congress where so much is about beating the other side instead of figuring out how to do the best for the most amount of the american people, and interesting in his video he tweeted out talking about his age, with both of these men who are going to be likely the nominees of their party, going to be in that age, talking about passing the baton away from, and also saying he doesn't trust that those two men can do the job of president. he doesn't want to operate under

that level. those are things we have heard. and we're going to keep continuing to ask questions. we're going to have a story out with him, talking to him later on this afternoon i'm told. and so there's a lot of questions. at this point it says a lot about the current state of our politics. >> the thing about him is it's not like he wasn't popular. he was elected with 63% of the vote. it wasn't even close in 2018, but of course the party has changed significantly since then. i haven't heard anything to indicate that he would face a fight where he might not win reelection. but this clearly is someone who has shown throughout his career and throughout the statements he made, if this is what he says, that he thinks it's time for new leadership, he doesn't think things can get done. that's exactly what it means. it's not about him being in a position where he doesn't think he could win a second term.

>> exactly. this isn't someone who has run away from fights before, right, when running for election. and i also think that when you look at him bringing up whether or not the republican party will take this as an opportunity to take heed, right, this is a man who used to be the standard bearer of the party in 2012. it was like a completely different party. but will take heed to what he said in both of these interviews that he's doing, and also his video, talking about passing the baton away from folks away from folks. he's 76. people might be surprised because he doesn't look or walk around like a 76-year-old at all. he is 76 years old saying i'm a part of a generation that has done what we can, and it's time for the next version of leadership. the republican party doesn't seem that interested in actually doing that. they're doing their primary to figure it out. we still see donald trump at the top of this heap of republican candidates.

so it will be fascinating to see if there's any ripple effects. my gut tells me it's unlikely, based on how the republican party has been operating over the last few years. >> eugene daniels, thank you so much for that. julie, you're going to stay with us because it's a very busy day on capitol hill. the most powerful leaders in the world of big tech are meeting behind closed doors today in what senator chuck schumer calls an all hands on deck moment. that includes elon musk showing up on capitol hill. ceo of tesla and spacex and the owner of x, formerly twitter, of course. meta's mark zuckerberg, along with the heads of google, microsoft and open ai. the meeting has been billed as a crash course for congress on artificial intelligence. it is also as "the new york times" puts it an opportunity for tech leaders who represent companies with a collective value of more than 6 1/2 trillion dollars to influence ai's direction. moments ago, elon musk left the meeting and said history might

have been made in that room today. >> it was very civilized discussion, actually, among some of the smartest people in the world, so i thought senator schumer did a great service to humanity here, along with the support of the rest of the senate. and i think something good will come of this. i think this meeting may go down in history as being very important for the future of civilization. >> that's a broad statement. nbc's julie tsirkin is back with us. what else are we hearing from these tech titans, and what do we know about what went on inside that room? >> reporter: chris, it was behind closed doors, right, and that's something that senator elizabeth warren took issue with. she told reporters, she believes this is something the public should have insight into. on the flip side, i talked to several democratic senators and republicans, frankly, who said that this was the first forum of many. it was important for senators to be in this room with tech

giants, labor leaders and climate advocates. really, every sector of different topics, coming together to see how they can solve the challenge that is ai without stifling regulation. a couple of moments ago, we heard from majority leader schumer, flanked with working members of his group. they are trying to come together to see what they can do with ai, before directing various committees to come together to start legislating, putting pen to paper, and form policies around this issue. but it's very clear that this briefing is the first of many. take a listen to what warren had to say, senator elizabeth warren who has pushed back not only on the fact that the briefing was held behind closed doors, the press was not allowed inside, also on musk, star link and ukraine. she launched an investigation into all of that. watch this. >> i do not understand why this meeting is barred. why the press has been barred from this meeting. what most of the people have said is we want innovation, but we've got to protect safety.

that's important. every single person in the room said, yes, government has an important role to play. lindsey graham and i have a tech bill, and it is a tech bill that would provide some serious regulation over some of the tech giants. it covers issues like privacy as well as ai. let's sit down and talk about it. let's put something real on the table instead of everybody agrees that we need safety and innovation. >> reporter: now, republican senator josh hawley on the opposite side of the spectrum from elizabeth warren, he took issue that the meeting was happening today, that it was a big tech cocktail party. those were his words. most senators were satisfied that the forum at least took place. senator stabenow told me this was a moment of history, similar to what elon musk said. i will tell you, topics that didn't come up, for example, china and the u.s. competitor,

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