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we have a lot more to cover in this second hour of "chris jansing reports" including the dramatic conclusion to a man hunt that paralyzed a pennsylvania community. escaped killer, danelo cavalcante captured without a shot fired, just 15 miles from the prison where he escaped two weeks ago. how police finally tracked him down and what more is there to learn about how it all went down. plus, kevin mccarthy rolls
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the dice. new questions about his gamble to launch an impeachment inquiry into the president including from fellow republicans. and the report wall street had been bracing for, inflation ticking up for the second straight month with gas prices jumping 10%. what does it mean for you and for the american economy. and those flood waters final ly reseeding after inundating parts of massachusetts. we'll go live to the cities that seem to have gotten the worst of it. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments. we start with nbc's trymaine lee with the latest on the capture of canelo cavalcante. police went into great detail about the moment they took him into custody. what more do we know about what happened? >> reporter: chris, police really went into extraordinary detail in turning the page on this two-week saga. early this morning, around 1:00 a.m., a dea plane, using
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thermal imaging technology got a blip in this area. they thought they might have found cavalcante. bad weather and lightning forced them to abandon the operation. after 8:00 a.m. this morning, they picked the heat signature again, right in this area behind me, and they were able to get their perimeter focused on this space right here. without cavalcante noticing they were here, they were able to identify him, pulled out their dogs, and as he tried to get away, their dog was able to help apprehend him. here's lieutenant colonel, the face of police operation here going into more detail. check it out. >> shortly after 8:00 a.m., tactical teams converges on the area where the heat source was. they were able to move in very quietly. they had the element of surprise. cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded until that had occurred. that did not stop him from trying to escape. he began to crawl through thick
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underbrush, taking his rifle with him as he went. >> reporter: chris, one thing that is important to note is no shots were fired, either by cavalcante nor police. there were about 50 officers, 50 from the state police force, but also another 50 or so from the el paso border patrol. and so cavalcante is now being processed in a state facility, a state police facility, and soon he'll be transported to a state prison, and will begin serving the rest of his life sentence. >> thank you, and literally while you were saying that, we were getting our first pictures, there we go, of that transfer from the police station. we saw him getting out of the van and being taken into custody where we were told he was going to be interviewed. they had an interpreter at the ready, and now he is heading to an undisclosed state prison. we'll keep you posted on all of that, and have much more on how this all went down a little later on in this hour. meantime, house republicans are barrelling ahead with their
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impeachment inquiry into president biden, and some members of the party aren't so sure about the strategy. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill for us. ryan, what are the concerns you're hearing from some republicans? >> reporter: to be clear, chris, we're hard pressed to find any republican that's against this move by kevin mccarthy to start this impeachment inquiry and do so without a vote, but there are some concerns within the reason caucus act what could potentially come next. the conservative medical examiner of the republican conference are ready to go straight ahead with articles of impeachment. there are the more moderate members that believe that more information still needs to come out. take a listen to what some of them said from both the house and senate yesterday. >> i think that we need to be balanced in this approach. i don't think that impeachment ought to be used as a political tool or weapon, especially around election year. >> what i have heard, there's a lot of fire, and there's a lot of smoke. we don't know whether there's any truth to it. they need to probably continue their investigation. i'm not for impeachment, unless
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it is ironclad. >> reporter: and the fact that you're not seeing widespread outrage by republican members right now is probably indicative of the fact that they're not forced to take that vote. that would be very difficult for moderate republicans, particularly those in districts won by president biden in the last election. however, there's a problem with kevin mccarthy with the conservative frank of his party. they want to see him move much quicker in this regard, and there's the looming threat of a government shut down. that's another area where conservatives have been forceful on kevin mccarthy, encouraging himg to put in steep spending cuts. all of it could mean that his speakership is in jeopardy over the next couple of weeks. it's going to be a chaotic september on capitol hill. chris. >> without a doubt, ryan nobles, thank you. let's go to the august inflation report, the last key piece of economic data the fed will get before their next meeting. cnbc's morgan brennan joins us now for cnbc on msnbc.
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what have we learned from this report? >> the pace of price increases reaccelerated last month, posting the biggest increase of the year, with americans facing higher prices on energy and other goods and services. the consumer price index, cpi, rose a seasonally adjusted .6% for the month, up 3.7 from a year ago. both represented a hotter pace of inflation than the one we saw in july. now, what caused it, well, energy prices were a big factor including a more than 10 1/2% surge in gasoline. transportation services, food costs, prices for new cars and other types of vehicles also contributed. so did rents, though that category was so called shelter inflation, it is actually still slowing. the jump in headline inflation, work your paychecks hard, average hourly earnings declined half a percent for august. if i put this into context here, despite the hotter monthly
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reading, the rate of inflation has been falling since the 9% peak registered last summer. as for the federal reserve, what matters is something called core cpi. it strips out the volatile energy and food categories. it provides a better indication of where inflation is heading over the long-term. core rose 4.3% annualized. while still too high for the fed's comfort, that monthly reading signaling a steady pace of inflation, lower than it was the first half of the year. bottom line, if you feel like your pocketbook is not getting a reprieve, it's not, especially at the pump as oil has jumped higher again. it also doesn't spur the fed to raise interest rates again when it meets next week. >> morgan brennan, good to have you on the show. thank you. there is a state of emergency underway after catastrophic flooding there. nbc's eli rosenberg joins us now. what's the latest from there?
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>> reporter: this is an area that got a lot of rain on monday night. 10 plus inches and a lot more rain this morning. this here is some of the damage from monday night. look at this. this used to be a bridge. it was washed away with all of the rain and the water that came downhill. it's a big deal for those who live on the other side. it's a subdivision, three homes, ten people. the only way in and out, so those who live there, we watch as the fire department came in yesterday. what they did is brought a huge ladder truck in, descended the ladder to get a quick pedestrian bridge. get firefighters to check on everyone. meanwhile, the mayor says this storm, the rain on monday night is estimated to have caused $40 million in damage. roads are torn up all around town. sink holes have swallowed several homes. homes are flooded, buildings, too, including one that had one
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of its walls fall into a river here. dozens of people in low lying areas were arrested on monday night. the mayor saying this morning, quick thinking and quick action by several area fire departments to evacuate everyone resulted in zero injuries. now, as for what's next, the mayor is saying fixing all of this is going to take some time, calling this a once in 500 year storm. for those who live right here, the fire department came in with chain saws and walked through and cut a path just large enough to get an atv with a stretcher in just in case there's an emergency. but the big question, those who live here say, when is all of this going to be fixed this afternoon, there's no time line for that. chris. >> eli rosenberg, thank you very much. appreciate it. chester county residents finally able to relax after the capture of the dangerous inmates. how authorities pulled it off after two long weeks. and what we still don't know.
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it took a lot of manpower and technology to finally capture escaped murderers danelo cavalcante. highly trained k-9s and an aircraft using thermal technology. >> i hope the public takes great pride in the technology and the k-9s, and in all of the assets that were brought to bear here. we asked a lot of the public through tax dollars to support the police, to support law enforcement at every level, and they got a front row seat here in chester county, and across pennsylvania to see the extraordinary work not only these individuals do, but the great technology we're able to bring to bear to ultimately capture dangerous suspects like this. >> joining me as nbc senior law
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enforcement analyst, and former minneapolis community safety commissioner, sedrick alexander, this was fascinating to watch how this unfolded. you certainly had a lot of manpower. there was a lot of praise for the ability to put in place that technology very quickly, very pointedly, and obviously very effectively. what's your take away from how all of this went down? >> well, first of all, i think the local law enforcement alone with their state and federal partners there did an extraordinary job in terms of working together over the last couple of weeks as persistently as they were able to work, following leads, staying on target, and bringing this subject back into custody. it is one thing that is certain in all of this is that the emerging technology in and around policing and law enforcement that's being used today, as you can see here, played a tremendous role. and fortunately, this incident
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came to an end without someone being hurt. that's where we are today as it relates to technology, and involvement of community there in chester county, and around those communities played a very significant and important part as well, too, in bringing this subject into custody. >> it's also interesting that along the way, the role that homeowners played, right. first, we saw what he looked like, he had changed his appearance because of one of those doorbell cams. then we had a local person say he was in my garage, and now he's armed, obviously a significant piece of information, and now you have another piece of technology, a burglar alarm that tipped off police, and then they were able to look in that area. talk about the important role that that combination of, i guess, kind of small tech, home tech, but also alert citizens play in situations like this.
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>> yeah, you know, currently to date, many people have in and around their home, their ring technology or some type of security device that has camera access. and that has helped in situations and investigations when they take place such as this. utilizing that technology, the community being on high alert, people paying very close attention, looking out for their neighbors, reporting suspicious incidents was clearly very important in this investigation as well. so here again, even though home devices of technology that sometimes we may take for granted played a huge part in helping to identify this subject when he came to those residences which gave them a new direction to begin to look in in terms of his most recent location. but here's one thing i have to point out that's critically important here.
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as of yesterday here, a rifle with a scope and a lying, and that certainly did put him at a technical advantage and made this a much more dangerous situation than what it had been. so thanks to the great work for law enforcement and that community and the community at large and the utilization of technology, which plays a huge part in crime fighting today, they were able to bring this convicted murderer into custody. >> one other key element, u.s. customs had a heroic k-9, and this is what police said about the dog. >> the way those dogs are trained is to simply go to the person, they will grab whatever is closest to grab, and trained to detain that individual. they don't keep biting and releasing or trying to cause additional injury. they simply grab on to and try and hold that person in place
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until officers can get there. so that's why they're never released, you know, at some great distance or unsupervised. there are officers close by who can move in. the handler can immediately pull the dog back off, give them a command, pull the dog off and officers take over from there. >> i have seen one of those highly trained dogs firsthand when they are working at the white house. they are fearsome, fast, and effective. tell me a little bit more about your experience and what you know about this. he was still armed and yet that dog was able to get him down and make sure he didn't have time to go to that weapon. and that the police were then able to move in. >> k-9s as you probably know are really highly trained animals that work very closely with law enforcement. they have a number of training scenarios that they put these k-9s through.
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they are managed very well, as you just heard there from the state police superintendent in terms of when they bring them into an incident and the involvement that they're going to carry out. but they are not running loosely. they are well trained, well managed and they have supervision there with them by an officer who was primarily responsible for that animal. and they take that k-9 home with them every day as part of their family, but the training here is essentially and hugely important, and you're going to continue to see as you have in the past the utilization of k-9s in these types of incidents or any other high profile incident in which someone could be a real threat or a danger to the community. >> sedrick alexander, it is always good to see you. thank you so much for coming on the program. >> good seeing you as well. thank you. fulton county d.a. fani willis making a key move in the election interference case. what she's now arguing before
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we just learned that donald trump has waived his right to a speedy trial. catherine christian is a former assistant d.a. in the manhattan office, an msnbc legal analyst, here in studio. always good to see you. explain this maneuver by donald trump. >> that's his way of saying i don't mean to to go to trial. what d.a. willis has requested of the judge is, look, if you are going to sever any of these other defendants, you have to make them waive speedy trial. because otherwise we'll have three trials o. same case, the same witnesses, the same evidence, going on at the same time in the same courthouse with three different judges, and then i'm going to have to assign assistant district attorneys to those cases who don't know me, to those three different trials, who aren't up on the facts. it will be a security, and logistic nightmare and quagmire in the courthouse. >> what does donald trump waiving his right to a speedy
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trial mean with all of this? >> he's hoping to get it severed with other defendants. he doesn't want to go to trial. it's no big deal to say i waive speedy trial, and mark meadows has done the same thing. the reality is, the d.a., this is a good strategy for her. the d.a. will say i can try all 19 defendants together. it's the prosecutor who has the burden to make sure the defendant gets a speedy trial. >> unavoidable burdens on witnesses and victims who are forced to testify three times on the same set of facts and addresses the judge's concern that one of these cases could be moved to federal court, and she essentially argues, look, we'll worry about that if and when it happens. what do you make of her arguments? >> she's exactly right. the federal removal statute says that while that defendant is litigating this issue here in federal court, the state case continues. the only thing that can't happen, it can't go to verdict.
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they have built into that law that the case will not just stop. it will continue, because on the assumption that the defendant doesn't get his case removed to federal court, that case is still going and hasn't stopped. >> all of this started at the fulton county jail where all of the defendants had to go to be processed. and blayne alexander got to get first video inside that jail. obviously that's where donald trump went. she also spoke to the sheriff there about trump raising money off the mug shot that was taken, and here's what he said about that. >> i asked the county attorneys to look into the potential of recouping any moneys that ultimately whether it was copy righted or not copy righted if there was an opportunity, we want to know what that is. i've heard numbers from $7 million to $20 million, but if there's an opportunity for the county to get anything, it's an opportunity for us to reinvest in our facility. and potentially save lives.
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>> given what's been reported about the condition of the jail, there's no doubt they could use the money. the question is legally do they have a foot to stand on to try to get it? >> no, but it's good for him to say it, making a point because it is true that jailhouse is apparently a horror show, and they do need the money. >> let me ask you finally before i let you go about the federal judge rejecting mark meadows' request for an emergency stay related to the georgia interference case. can you explain specifically what happened there? >> the judge said, one, there is no public interest in there being a stay. you're not going to be harmed by this case continuing. two, the d.a. probably will be harmed, and three, you can't say that you're actually going to win on an appeal. so because the 11th circuit actually is sort of expediting it, there's no need for a stay. that appeal will be done before mark meadows is tried in fulton county. >> catherine christian, good to
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capital, a woman forced open the front door of her house, and then made a plea for help. >> this is my message to the world, please, we lose everything, we don't have a place to live anymore. we need help. >> families like hers have been sleeping on the streets for days now. the government says there's 2,900 people are dead. more than 5,500 injured. nbc's matt bradley is live for us from marrakech, and i guess we're now nearing a week since the quake. what is the feeling on the ground, matt, when it comes to aid and to government response? >> yeah, i mean, one of the things that i was seeing when we were going up into the mountains were foreign search and rescue organizations who were up there, the ones who were allowed in by the moroccan government. we spoke with a british firefighter who was there with his team. there are a lot of efforts and mor rock -- are letting in some
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foreign help. it took days for government officials to reach them, and the aid, the food, the tents, that was from the local government officials, not from the central national government. so there was a lot of frustration there. you know a lot of people there are so isolated in these mountainous areas. life was hard before the earthquake. now there's added frustration. folks are saying, yes, it's hard to access these places. the same earthquake that toppled houses and wiped away almost entire village, also damaged roadways and made it very difficult for aid to reach some of these remote places. but at the same time, we have to remember that aid and assistance has been scant and delayed, even if places where there was road access. some of these villages where people were angry with the lack of government presence, those were villages we drove right up to, even though it wasn't so direct. you know, these are accessible
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places. so there aren't that many excuses and the government is coming under some fierce criticism. they're not making a lot of comments. that's something you don't see from national governments, in times of huge national cises like this. we saw the king coming out today, giving blood and things like that. this is something that's going to be causing a lot of friction with the public, and this is something that's probably going to endure as more and more people try to give aid as more aid organizations try to reach these remote places and as the political friction turns from search and rescue into just public anger. chris. >> i'm also joined on the phone by hannah adulawe, she has been on the ground in morocco. thank you for being with us. you heard it, there's been frustration with the pace of aid. what are the biggest challenges that you and the folks you're working with are facing right
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now. >> hello. the challenges that we are facing currently, the shortages of the items. we cannot find areas affected by the earthquake. we have to go to other areas to get the products. for example, yesterday we ran out of mattresses and blankets so we had to act quickly, and send our colleagues to get as much as they could, and now we are expecting in about one hour the trucks to arrive to one of the areas. so the shortage is something that is a challenge for us because it's even delaying some of our work here. i can say that i'm proud. they are seeing their best on the ground in order to fight against time as much as possible
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to reach the most affected areas, especially in the rural areas. >> and i know you have seen and felt much of what is happening there on the ground. for example, you had just landed, as i understand, and experienced an after shock. what was that like? >> yeah, you know, all we were going out on the security teams. to be honest, i didn't feel the after shock, i could see people going outside the airport. you know, at that time, i was afraid, i have to confess. i was afraid. it was a panic moment, but thanks to god, everything remains. it was just something that happened quickly, and i didn't even notice it. even now, there's some after shocks happening, but we don't
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see it in marrakech. the villages in the mountains. >> your team apparently visited the village where just, what, six of the 80 residents who lived there even survived the quake, tell us about that. >>. say again, sorry, i couldn't hear you properly. >> i understand that out of a village of 80 people, only six survived the earthquake, and your team was able to visit there. tell us what was seen there. >> yesterday we learned from some of the colleagues that were on the ground that villages have been demolished, absolutely demolished and of 176 people, only 6 survivors are there. so they were trying to remove the bodies under the rubble.
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they were only cutting on -- they ended considering that area as a cemetery, and really start to hear that. >> the work that the aid agencies do in situations like this is truly extraordinary. hannah, thank you so much for being with us, and we wish you and your team all the good luck. any minute now, president biden and the first lady are set to revisit their major initiative to end cancer. we're keeping a close eye on the white house for when that meeting begins. plus, house republicans are doubling down on their plans to impeach the president, what it could mean for control of congress in 2024. a grass roots organizers will join us. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watinchg "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc
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that covered them up, and i think that's equally as important in investigating joe biden. >> i think we should have impeached his ass a long time ago. >> and that's where democrats see opportunity in 2024. joining me now, yasmin brady, executive director of swing left, and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and msnbc analyst. glad to have both of you here. yasmin, you wrote an op-ed about how 6,675 votes in a handful of competitive districts decided control of the house in 2022. you point to a recent survey that found 56% of respondents in the 18 biden won districts represented by republicans, they say the impeachment inquiry would be a partisan political stunt. so you're grass roots, how do organizations like yours capitalize on that feeling? >> first of all, thank you so
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much for having me on, chris, and for highlighting those critical numbers. what we're seeing here is yet again, kevin mccarthy, resorting to the political stunts that he has now mastered because of how desperately he wants to hold on to the speakership, and time after time, you know this well, he's pandering to the most chaotic extremes. we have seen in election after election, poll after poll, including the one that you mentioned, that voters in swing districts that are absolutely critical to a majority, first of all, reject maga extremism, and then, as you said, they see right through his political stunts, and so, you know, kevin mccarthy may be buying himself another day as speaker, but his actions are not only galvanizing voters, but as you alluded to, they're galvanizing volunteers, and our volunteers at swing left have already been signing up, even if the places where there's not a nominee to go out and
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knock on doors, including in kevin mccarthy's backyard in districts like california 13 that were won by republicans by under 600 votes. so the momentum is increasingly on our side and volunteers are fired up as hell. >> we know, peter, that the white house, at least what we have heard from supporters of the president is this is good for us. not that anybody wants to go. no president wants to go through an impeachment inquiry but they think the political consequences would favor them. what are you hearing, and what would it mean, frankly, if it turns out that there's a potential biden second term, and republicans lose control of the house? >> yeah, i mean, look, at the moment, there's not any sense that the house republicans have a majority for impeachment. both counters on both sides think they're significantly short of that. that's why you saw kevin mccarthy announce that he is initiating his inquiry on his
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own authority as a speaker, rather than asking for a vote of the full house as he said he would do ten days ago. he told breitbart this could not be the declaration of one person. republicans said nancy pelosi should have done before she initiated her inquiry in the trump impeachment. that changed. there does not appear to be 218 votes. you're right, if that's where it stays, and we'll see, these things have a way of, you know, changing into ways you can't always forecast. if that's the way it stayed, a failed impeachment certainly would not help republicans at the polling booths and it may not make that much of a difference at all. it's easy to say what might be right now, but the truth is in 2020, when we thought the first impeachment would be a defining issue, it was barely mentioned by either side either way. a lot of things happened in between. we had covid, and other things going on. that's also the case now.
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a lot of things happening between now and next year. it's a lot to predict. no white house wants to go through an impeachment even if it may be beneficial. they're gearing up for it if that's what they have to do. >> there's a new op-ed in the "wall street journal" that says impeachment is the new censure, and the editorial board says to launch an inquiry is fine but the bar for removing president biden from office should be high. take a listen to what james comer has been saying when it comes to actual evidence. >> have you found anything illegal while he was actually in office? >> well, we found a lot that's certainly unethical. >> there's no evidence that joe biden did anything illegally. >> if you look at the laptop and e-mails between the president's son and his associates, they went to great lengths to hide joe's involvement. >> make it easy for us, what was the crime? >> the crime is trading policy for money. >> which policy? >> well, we're going to get into
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that. >> the big question more about this is when you look at the districts where democrats or republicans were elected but joe biden won, which obviously should be an opportunity for the democrats or some of the places, frankly, in the house where democrats lost seats in the midterms. is this the kind of thing that energizes people early or is it something that really even at this early stage goes to the heart of voters making their decisions. are you just looking at this point at getting people out, as you say, going door to door, or do you think that sort of the minds are changing among some of the voters at this early point? >> yeah, you know, what we hear from our volunteers squares with what we see in poll after poll, which is families don't wake up in the morning thinking about hunter biden. they wake up in the morning thinking about who's going to fight for a better economy. who is going to fight for my family. who is going to fight for my
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reproductive freedom. and so this political side show is not going to win republicans any voters. what it's going to do is help democrats to make the message really really clear, that they are fighting for voters all across the country, but that they also have the best interests of those voters in the swing districts. as you said, there are 18 districts, as you mentioned, that biden won that republicans hold. but what a lot of folks don't realize is the majority of those, actually 11 of those are in new york and california. these are in states that we often don't think about in terms of the electoral map and these are places, the vast majority of voters, republican, democrat, and independent, are fired up about fighting for reproductive freedom, and united issues. we're really excited here at swing left to get the word out about them. many issues that those voters all agree on in these districts, we think we can get across the finish line and as you
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mentioned, the margin of 6,006 # -- 6,675 votes is what we call field margin. new york and california, that's where we're strongest and going to win back the majority. >> i ask this question every election year. when i looked at the headline, impeachment is the new censure, and on the heels of that, we learned that mitt romney that's frustrated that more things can't get done in congress has decided not to run for reelection. how much of what you're hearing is about the potential, frankly, for voter suppression, that people are just throwing their hands up and saying, you know what, these folks, they don't represent me. it doesn't matter who i vote for, they can't get anything done. >> yeah, and i think what you also see on the part of former president trump and his supporters is a desire to sort of equally muddy the water, right, so he's been indicted, of course, four times.
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he was impeached twice, acquitted by the senate. i think what trump would like his allies in the house to do is to basically indicate that while biden is also worry of impeachment, he's also done things wrong. the voters at home say i can't tell the difference now. the things they're accusing president biden of are highly comparable to what president trump has been indicted for. there's no evidence that president biden took money from anybody or policy was changed as a result of that, as you just played in those clips, whereas obviously there are four different indictments of former president trump on rather serious matters, specifically about subverting an election, as long as the republicans can say, well, biden is part of a crime family, it muddies the water as far as president trump, and he's the nominees. there's something about making voters throw up their hands, as you say. >> peter, yasmin, great conversation, thank you to both of you. appreciate you coming in. strike watch in detroit,
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contract negotiations between the big three auto makers and roughly 150,000 workers are going down to the wire. the two sides have just until 11:59 p.m. tomorrow to reach an agreement on a new labor deal, and the united auto workers president insisted earlier that is a real deadline, not a reference point. >> we can get there, but the companies need to get serious and buckle down, and, you know, we're 48 hours away, so we have a lot of work to do in 48 hours. >> nbc's jesse kirsch is following the story from uaw local in dearborn, michigan. what are we hearing from both sides, jesse? >> so, chris, what we're hearing right now is the staple gun behind me, uaw 600 in dearborn,
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michigan, they are making signs that say uaw on strike, it is not a fore gone conclusion. we're looking at a little more than 30 hours until the deadline of 11:59 eastern on thursday, that is when the contracts expire between uaw and the big three. the union is preparing for the possibility of a strike, and as we heard from the uaw president, the plan is to strike against all three if deals are not reached. so the union clearly feels it's not having its demands met at this point. trying to get detailing on what has been proposed by the auto makers. what changes if any the uaw has made in what it is asking for. i can tell you, we spoke to the ford ceo last night, and he said that he didn't give too many specifics, he talked about bumps in pay, and what the vacation package would look like. he called it the most generous offer in eight years of the uaw working, so that's the perspective from at least one of the big three auto makers, and there's a lot of pressure on the
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industry right now. here's part of what we heard from the ceo, however, on the demand from the union of a 40-hour workweek going to a 32-hour workweek, but being paid for the full five-day workweek. here's what the ceo said about that. >> four day workweek is not containable. we're literally fighting for the future of automotive manufacturing in the country. we're optimistic we'll find a way forward. we have 48 hours to go, but we're not going to support a four-day workweek. >> reporter: what he's allude to go is the electric vehicle future. this company and the other two members of the big three is moving toward an electric future. the big three had union laborers which other manufacturers in this country don't, and that means the hourly labor costs according to data gathered by our partners at cnbc show the big three are paying more per hour for u.s. auto worker labor than their competitors. they have pressures while
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they're trying to also deal with the demands from the union. >> the clock is ticking, jesse kirsch, thank you so much. that is going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. what good did it do? yesterday speaker mccarthy called for an impeachment inquiry into president biden and now today he's delaying a rule vote on a relatively easy spending bill. the $826 billion defense bill as "politico" puts it is full of culture war that won't fly with president biden. this has become collateral damage as they hold out in the absence of steeper cuts in the overall goven
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