going after biden now turned into republicans going after each other. we also heard a more detailed defense of this missing secret copy of the deal that's at the heart of whether they tried to remove mccarthy. we'll have an update on that aspect of the story this week as well because, well, the plot keeps getting thicker. thanks for spending time with us. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> our job is to legislate. not to continue to investigate something in the back when you cannot find any reason to impeach this president. >> i am directing our house committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into president joe biden. >> she cannot change the laws of this congress. she cannot unilaterally decide we're in an impeachment inquiry. >> i do not make this decision lightly. >> that was kevin mccarthy in

2019, explaining how an impeachment cannot be started unilaterally, which is precisely what he just did. as republicans try to gaslight americans into thinking joe biden is just like donald trump. also tonight, fulton county d.a. fani willis makes her case for why donald trump and his 18 criminal co-defendants should be tried together. while trump tries to sever his case and delay, delay, delay his trial. plus in football, they use a lot of war terminology like blitzing the quarterback and throwing the bomb. so coach tommy tubervillle must be confused thinking he knows a thing about war but he never served and is single handedly causing a crisis within the u.s. military. but we begin tonight with a line that every american should memorize. it was first uttered by donald trump during the lead-up to january 6th. and it goes like this. just say there is corruption and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. and that, as it turns out, is

what house speaker kevin mccarthy and his caucus of maga misfit toys have been trying to do with president biden. even though trump's own department of justice couldn't find any corruption, senators ron johnson and chuck grassley led investigative committees that found nothing and cleared joe biden. and so did the chairman of the house oversight committee, james comer. facts be damned. just say there's corruption and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. and to that point, this was kevin mccarthy this morning. >> so you have all these questions. and to be able to get the answers to those questions, you're going to have to subpoena certain documents. >> now we all know mr. mccarthy isn't the whiz. the woman behind the curtain pulling the strings is named marjorie taylor greene, the georgia congresswoman who demanded biden's impeachment for fill in the blanks whatever since before he even took office. and trump's my kevin is now

giving her what she and the twice impeached four times indicted former president both demanded. according to "the new york times" greene and civilly liable for sexual abuse president seemingly knew this was coming and discussed over fish and diet coke the house plan to impeach president biden. apparently she told the "times" she told trump she wants to make impeachment long and excruciatingly painful for joe biden because that's the point, isn't it? to punish biden for trump's dual impeachments, to even the score and make trump look less bad for having to extort ukraine and overturn an election wan armed coup. to say nothing of the four indictments. did i mention the four indictments. then there is serial liar and fraudster, congressman george santos or anthony devaldor. "the new york times" -- the new york congressman who is currently indicted by the department of justice for fraud, money laundering, theft of public funds and false

statements went to cnn to talk about biden. >> joe biden has a treasure-trove starting with his son hunter biden, cocaine in the white house, laptops from hell, all these things and none thof is spoken about on your network. >> okay. okay. this guy? this guy is republican's character guy for their impeachment witness? really? judiciary committee jim jordan, he spent years barking sound bites for fox about accountability and justice. the same jim jordan who has been accused by multiple former ohio state university wrestlers of ignoring credible claims of sexual abuse by the team's physician. he denies the allegations, of course. then there is mr. impeachment himself, oversight committee chairman james comer. we know his face because he's been all over fox and cnn, utterly failing to support his corruption claims. what you probably didn't know is this guy has his own past questionable behavior.

recent profile "the new york times" reported he was accused by a former girlfriend of hitting her in 2015 and taking her to a clinic for an abortion. an account that was supported by her roommate at the time. he denied it. it doesn't stop there. in an effort to stop the reporting on those allegations, comer allegedly distributed unlawfully obtained emails between a reporter and a source. a fact he admitted to "the new york times." i'm not sure how legal that is, but maybe he would like to take up an impeachment inquiry to find more facts? folks, this is the delta force of jus it is in house of representatives. most of them are millionaires. some real and some made up. and while these members chase down -- these members chased trump down the qanon rabbit hole, they're turning their backs on years of actual corruption involving a president and a family member whose name is not hunter biden. >> i rise today to urge house republicans to investigate one

of the modern american scandals and political cons. now, why did the saudi government give jared kushner $2 billion just months after he left the trump white house? kushner who oversaw middle east policy for his father-in-law has enriched himself and his family in what is an enormous grift and likely serious of conflict interest crimes. american people deserve answers and i urge my colleagues across the aisle to answer our calls and subpoena jared kushner's company once and for all. >> so here is the thing, comer abandoned an investigation opened by democrats into trump improperly profiting off the presidency. he also killed a separate inquiry into the business dealings of jared kushner with the saudis. because they don't care about actual corruption. they only care about hurting joe biden politically ahead of the next election because as simon rosenberg pointed out on this program last night, they clearly don't think they can beat him without making him as dirty as

trump. but here is the problem, they're not starting from scratch with some unknown politician. they're starting with joe biden, joey from scranton who likes ice cream, corvettes, ray bans and his family. biden has been around for decades. his brand ain't new. that's precisely why barack obama picked him as his vice president. the 29-year-old who was sworn in as a senator in a hospital next to his two young sons after their mother and sister were killed in a tragic car accident. a major, major news story at the time. he is the guy who chaired the senate judiciary committee confirmation hearing of clarence thomas in the '90s. the guy who pressured republicans back in 1993 to help pass an assault weapons ban. he's the guy who back in 2007 destroyed rudy giuliani's presidential ambitions by saying, quote, there's only three things rudy mentions in a sentence, a noun a verb and 9/11. he is the guy who passed

american history and whispered this is a bfd. he didn't use the initials. this impeachment inquiry is republicans trying to re-write history because they don't like the current reality. trying to gaslight you into believing a guy who was once mocked for being one of the poorest guys in the senate, hatched some sort of ne fair mouse decades long campaign to fatten the biden family coffers without a single journalist noticing. i mean, how could we have missed it? what they are trying to do, with not too small amount of help from fox and some members of the mainstream media, too, who ran this same play book with hillary clinton and her emails, is to get you, to somehow forget who joe biden is and replace that reality in your minds with the maga fan fiction that he is a master criminal, just like donald trump. minus the gold toilet. joining me now is democratic

congressman robert garcia of california, a member of the house oversight committee. and kurt bardella, former house oversight committee spokesman back when he was a republican. i want to go to the congressman first. because i don't know how old you are. i'm not going to presume. i know you're one of the younger members of the house. and so i would wager to say joe biden has been a public figure for your entire life. and yet we are supposed to believe that this same guy has been running an apparent criminal enterprise for decades. has anyone on the other side of the aisle admitted to you that they know that that is pure bs and that they're just doing this to try to beat him in the next election? >> yes, absolutely. we have -- freshman remember, freshman republicans out there who know this whole thing is bs and it's all politics. the truth is that this is completely about trying to elect donald trump as president.

and the reason that folks like marjorie taylor greene and george santos are out front is because kevin mccarthy has completely lost control of his entire caucus. so now what we have is essentially a political campaign by donald trump being waged through the most maga extremists in the house to try to damage president biden. who by the way, has done absolutely nothing wrong. we know that there is zero evidence, zero evidence, of the president doing actually anything illegal or close to improper here in his administration. so this attack that's currently happening is shameful. it's quite frankly to most a complete joke. we, of course, stand behind president biden and everything, joy, you said in your opener is absolutely correct. this is now republican party that is run by donald trump and marjorie taylor greene. >> you nose how we know, kurt, that it's bs is because the republicans told us. i don't have to go to a democrat. you're a democrat now.

i can actually ask the committee you used to be staffed for, the committee on oversight and accountability. the majority, majority member, i'm going to hold this up so downtown sterling brown, our director can show it. this is a report written by the republicans, by james comer's the oversight committee. voir. the oversight committee found absolutely nothing. they went through all of these pages. it's a multi-page report, right? and they didn't find anything on biden. so they've gone back. but i want you to just explain to our viewers who don't understand what the oversight committee does. do they have full subpoena power and ability to investigate if there is wrong doing? can they do it? >> yes, they can. that's why this committee exists in the first place, joy. there's a reason why this committee uniquely doesn't have a whole lot of legislative and policy jurisdiction because that's not their job. their job isn't to make laws. their job is to conduct oversight. they are given very, very broad powers in order to conduct those

investigations. they have unilateral subpoena authority, deposition authority, they can call hearings, they can do whatever they want. and so when they play out reports like this, with all the footnotes and all the pages that they have, they have had every tool you can imagine to compile these kinds of reports and if they don't have the goods in this report, if they don't have the goods on biden right now, nothing else -- this impeachment inquiry is going to be conducted -- is going to find anything they couldn't. >> and yet he -- and i'm going to go back to you congressman for a moment. kevin mccarthy tweeted, the speaker of the house, said the american people deserve to know that public offices are not for sale and the federal government is not being used to cover up the actions of politically connected family. you gave a speech that i actually posted on my instagram because it was so good. i posted a bunch of it,come which you did talk about what sure did sound like the government being used to cover up the actions of politically connected family. just happens to be the trump family. talk a little bit about what you would like to see, because congress does have to investigate corruption, whether

it's a democrat or republican. that is your -- part of your job. what corruption do you think should be investigated that is not? >> look, there is no bigger corruption or scandal in modern american politics than what the kushners have done with the trump crime family while he was in the white house. jared kushner and ivanka received $2 billion with a b, near months, two to three months, after leaving the white house from the saudi government. we know that jared was in the white house. he was the lead person on the middle east. he got rid of the first secretary of state. he was the one that facilitated a massive trades deal, of course, we know with saudi arabia. has now real experience yet receives $2 billion two months after he leaves the trump white house? now that needs to be investigated. the republicans are completely hypocritical, trying to link the president, trying to link the president's family where, of course, we know they didn't work

in the white house. they have no connection to anything to do with government policy. yet here we have jared kushner and the kushners that are profiting the billions of dollars, that is a scandal we should be looking at. that right now is a huge grift. we deserve, the american people deserve an investigation and we should be slamming the republicans every single day on this issue. >> how has mr. comber and other people, committee leaders, responded to your request to have an investigation on that? >> look, obviously the house democrats on the committee are united and leader jamie raskin, of course, is there. james comer just turns the other way. he's a complete hypocrite. he talks about trying to do oversight, to save the american people resources yet here we have the biggest grift in modern american politics where jared kushner committed in my opinion massive crimes, using the office, yet is not being investigated. so we are demanding and will demand every single day that

jared kushner and the kushners be investigated for their time in the white house, what were their connections to donald trump and what is jared kushner doing to receive $2 billion and what did he do or what unfortunately secret did he sell to actually get this kind of access. >> let me -- because i would like to know the answer to that, too, given all that saudi arabia is taking ownership of in the united states and what they're digging and getting involved into the fact that an american resident journalist was killed perhaps at their behest. let me play with matt gaetz, one of kevin mccarthy's other bosses just said on our colleague ari mel ber's show a little while ago. >> even mccarthy is going to advance actual impeachment on joe biden a lot like he was going to advance an impeachment of ally mayorkas. he kept saying we were going to impeach mayorkas were blocking the speakership. once kevin got power all of that went by the wayside.

i think you're witnessing the same gaslighting and the same illusion and the same mirage right here. he doesn't really mean it. he knows he broke the deal in january. he knows there are enough of us in the republican conference who want to hold him to that deal. so he's throwing impeachment out like an ill-cast lure and has no real intent to follow through. >> hide your teenage daughters. let's -- that's it, though, isn't it? this was a deal that kevin mccarthy made with people like that guy. >> yep. >> who he promised he would impeach a bunch of people, including joe biden and secretary mayorkas. that's all this is. he cut a deal to get the speakership. >> a deal which they all denied existed up until the other day. just want to point that out. this is insane. we have right now the entire house of representatives being held hostage by the insurrection law firm of comer, jordan, gaetz, greene and santos. that's how far this republican

party is gone, the weakest speaker can't get anything done, move legislation, he has to give in every single day to these lunatics. and let me just be very clear here, this is a massive political gift for joe biden. for all the conversation happening right now about his age, his fitness and how can you not be fit to hold office but multinational global multimillion criminal front, i don't know how you can do that -- >> apparently he's magical. >> amazing skill set he has if he can pull it off. they are taking away the best week they had in terms of biden narrative and hijacked with a impeachment narrative. you're not going to see republicans talk about economy and inflation. >> or abortion. or abortion. >> they're going to relitigate the last election and talk about impeaching joe biden and grievances they have. >> the last word i'm going to -- just for our viewers, so you understand, the reason we do not

take this biden impeachment bs seriously is number one, joe biden is a known entity. here is the history of joe biden's money. his net worth was less than $30,000 as of the time he and barack obama took office. when biden released his financial disclosure in july of 2019, they show he and his wife jill earned more than $15 million in 2017 and 2018. you know where the bulk of that money came from? a freaking book deal. yeah, when you're vice president of the united states two-term first term black president you get a book deal, like a big one. that's where his money comes from, y'all. if you believe any of the rest of this, y'all aren't wide awake. thank you, congressman garcia. use your brain. next up on "the reidout," fani willis is arguing that all 19 defendants, including trump, should be tried together. but trump's doing everything he can to block that from

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when it comes to the many, many, many criminal trials ahead for donald trump, nearly as important as the evidence presented in each case is when those trials will take place. especially as we get closer to the presidential election, where trump will likely be the republican nominee. and the georgia election interference trial, another challenging factor is that trump is one of 19 co-defendants.

two of those defendants kenneth chesebro and sidney powell have already been granted their speedy trial requests. set to begin october 23rd. in a new filing fulton county d.a. fani willis is defending her stance that all 19 co-defendants, including trump, should be tried together. in a seven-page filing, willis warns that failing to do so would create a logistical quagmire, not only for courthouse staff but also for witnesses and jurors. willis argues that because the defendants face rico charges, any trials would share the same evidence and witnesses, giving later defendants an unfair advantage of seeing the state's case beforehand. she also argues that having separate trials would create an enormous strain on the county's judicial resources as well as creating unavoidable burdens on witnesses and victims who would be forced to testify multiple times. facing the same sets of questions each time. during a hearing last week, judge scott mcafee appeared highly skeptical of willis'

request. to make it clears the four times indicted former president wants no part of this. trump's lawyers filed court documents waiving his right to a speedy trial in exchange for severing his case from those of any co-defendants, demanding a fast court date. joining me now is melissa murray, nyu law professor, msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast and glasses diva extraordinary. let's talk about this just far moment. i'm going to put it up on the screen. you've got a number of defendants in the fulton case that are waiving their right to a speedy trial. mostly the people that you know, donald trump, mark meadows, harrison floyd, you'll remember, is the blacks for trump guy. jenna ellis, et cetera. if they prevail and say we don't want a speedy trial but chesebro, however you pronounce

his name, gets a speedy trial. how logistically would that work? because that would mean that the later people would basically, with the rest of us, get to watch the trial on tv and know what all the evidence is. i don't see how a judge goes along with that. >> i think that's exactly right. you laid it out really well in the opening, joy. there are obviously some game theories here for those who are sequenced later, for later trials. you have evidence that's going to be common to these 19 defendants. the defendants who go first and have their trials first will have that ventilated in public view in court and lit give the later defendants an opportunity to figure out how to rebut that, what strategies to use, how to impeach particular witnesses and on and on and on and they will have an advantage. indeed, it is not surprising that defendant trump, who perhaps has the most to lose in all of this, has decided to waive his right to a speedy trial in order to sever himself from these other defendants.

have a separate trial, hopefully one that is further in time from these other defendants and perhaps reap the benefits of them going first and him being able to sit back and take notes. >> and is there a sense in which the people who go first then don't get a fair trial? because essentially they don't have the benefit of seeing the trial beforehand and trump et cetera would. >> this is all the things that judge mcafee is going to have to consider. he has a lot of different interests to weigh right now. it's true that in 19 defendant trial is going to be incredibly unwieldy in some respects but also incredible economies of scale to be leveraged from having the same set of witnesses and the same kind of evidence presented en masse at once as opposed to multiple cases. there's the fairness questions you raised. for d.a. willis, it's a real issue here part of the strategy of prosecuting this under

georgia's rico case, tell a narrative all these defendants are woven together in a broader criminal conspiracy. that becomes much harder to do as each one peels off. >> yeah. the nonspeedy trial. judge cannon took her a long time to come back and come with this protective order that seems fairly obvious, 3,500 pages of classified documents. you know, it seems like a no brainer that she would say that that should be under a protective order. she also wrote this in her order. she said any classified documents the defense discusses with the defendant in any way shall be handled in accordance with this order including confining discussions, documents and materials to an accredited skiff. trump wanted to be able to read the documents at mar-a-lago. that's the scene of the crime. he gets to take the documents and he and his lawyers get to review them there, put them back in the bathroom. can you make sense of her being like an -- is the other

authorization mar-a-lago, that doesn't make sense. >> well, this is exactly the point that the prosecution made in its opposition to this motion. this is essentially a crime scene that he's now asking to be resuscitated as a skiff. the whole question here is that defendant trump said he was essentially operating in a skiff at mar-a-lago. the government says that was not the case. this was not a secure location. and these documents were simply strewn about his beach house. now he's asking to review these documents in advance of trial at said beach house. and to be fair to judge cannon, like there's a lot of issues here. she is moved with all deliberate speed here being as meticulous as possible, it would seem, that's a generous way of looking at it. but she sidestepped the question of whether trump will have a skiff in his home or any of his homes as he's requested. she's left this to the classified information security

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for more than six months alabama senator and apparent florida resident tommy tubervillle has put our national security at risk by using a senatorial hold which allows a single senator to block hundreds of military confirmations and promotions from advancing through the senate. he's doing it to protest a pentagon policy that ensures that service members in states where abortion is illegal can afford to travel out of state for the procedure and for other reproductive healthcare. now to be clear, the pentagon

does not pay for service members abortions. they're simply reem bursoing the travel expenses that red states left them but no option but to leave their state to get care. tubberville's show boating left three of our military branchs without confirmed chiefs for the first time in defense department history. and by the end of the month, the highest-ranking position of the u.s. military could also be vacant. as the confirmation of general charles brown, who president biden nominated in may to replace joint chiefs of staff general mark milley hangs in the balance. of course tubberville could end this blockade literally at any time. he is the only one that could do it, but he won't. instead he's blaming the democrats. >> there's nothing disrespectful about a confirmation vote. if we do not vote on general brown's nomination, then that is entirely, entirely the fault of the democratic majority that

runs this floor. >> yeah, except here is the thing, it's not. and there's nothing general mill ey can do about it. he cannot stay in his position past october 1st even if there's nobody approved to replace him. something tubberville, who let's just say is not a leading intellectualite of his party didn't know. >> have you had any conversations with dod or white house or anything? >> no. >> do you expect to speak to them before milley's retirement date? >> when is that? >> october 1st. i'll call milley and wish him good luck. i don't know if he'll go anywhere before they get. >> he has to leave. >> he's out. we'll get somebody else to do the job. but hopefully it's done by then. >> no, you can't. joining me now is paul rykoff founder of iraq and afghanistan

veterans of america and host of the independent american's podcast. paul, you and i talked about this offline. i'll give you the opportunity to respond to the fact that tommy tubervillle doesn't even know the rules regarding the fact that general milley cannot be replaced and cannot stay. >> joy, to quote another alabama football person, stupid is as stupid does. and tommy tubervillle is stupid. jon stewart called him, we can see it. it's worse than that. he's reckless. he's irresponsible. he's radical. what he's doing is really a radical, political positioning that we have never seen before. he's the equivalent of a political suicide bomber. he's going in and blowing up everything in support of his quest, his personal quest that is a very radical, political quest. and grand standing. try to make himself this new second coming of the far right within the gop which is a very narrow group they think we need to start to call the confederate wing of the gop. the same guy who welcomed white

nationalists into the military. he continues to be out of touch with reality. he's opposed by seven former secretaries of defense and people on all sides of every political aisle. he is very much in isolated place. and no doubt he is damaging our military. hundreds of officers are paralyzed. their enemies can't move. north korea loves this putin loves this. anyone who wants to do harm can only wish for something like this to happen. i think we get to the point now, joy, it's about action. a lot of democrats and republicans have been talking a great game. but what are they doing about it? they need to call for him to resign. i think it's important to note, not a single republican or democrat has called on him to resign. he keeps ratcheting up the stakes. the damage keeps getting more vast. people need to get more serious. >> you're absolutely right. i'm going to really quickly play a representative named michael mccaul. you're an independent. and -- but i want to play a republican. one of those republicans you're talking about that's been going at him.

take a listen. >> this is paralyzing the department of defense. the idea that one man in the senate can hold this up for months, i understand maybe promotions. but nominations is paralyzing the department of defense. i think that is a national security problem and a national security issue. >> he can't do anything about it. he's in the house. but just cnn reported that if they were to process each individual person who is due for a promotion individually, it would take the senate approximately 689 hours and 20 minutes of floor consideration plus two days of session at the start of the process for cloture, for all 273 nominations. this represents approximately 30 days and 17 hours to process all of the people who deserve promotions. so that is the amount of time it would take to do it if they did it one at a time. but i would like for you to talk about what individual service members -- because people are just going to leave, right? what are -- how is this

impacting individual men and women in the military? >> profoundly. over 90% of commands are now impacted because people are on hold. they don't know what country they're going to live in. they don't know where their families are going to live. you noted three senior positions in the pentagon are right now open. so that means people have to do two jobs. and at the end of the month, we won't have a confirmed chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. that is a very big deal. tommy tubervillle claims to know a lot about football fields. he knows nothing about battlefields. he's opposed to everybody who ever worn the uniform with any kind of stature or standing and apparently doesn't understand how the senate works. this can all go away if he backs down. he is loving this. he loves the attention. he loves the support from trump and other people that are in the more radical wing of the gop. and he's acting like he's the second coming of robert e. lee. what he is trying to do here is not just undermine our military, drag us back to another time. he doesn't understand the military of 2023. he sounds like he's trying to

make the military of 1853. he sounds like he's trying to create the confederate army rather than the american army of 2023. this is much bigger than just our military. his radical, political agenda he is trying to jam down our pentagon. >> mitch mcconnell has expressed some discomfort with this and unhappiness with it. what do you make of the fact that he hasn't actually done anything. he is the one person who might have the power and authority to stop tubberville but doesn't seem willing to do it. >> it's cowardice and understand mining our national security every day. i'm an independent. 49% of the country is independent. this is the kind of stuff that drives people out of the republican party. especially veterans, especially people in the active duty, especially people who care about national security. this is bad for their politics. and i think it's starting to ratchet up against them. the question is can the democrats respond? can they actually hold them accountable? can they drive him out? if you're holding your breath for the republicans to do it, it's not going to happen. in the meantime, our troops are caught in the cross fire. >> i hope it doesn't drive

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it is back to school season, meaning packed lunches, sharpened pencils and only in america the lasting fear over whether your child will survive a school shooting. today, the university of north carolina at chapel hill went into lockdown after an armed and dangerous person was reported on or near campus. on tuesday, a student was shot dead at a high school in louisiana. and in maryland, a student was shot dead monday near her high school. just two weeks into the school year. and that's just this week. showing how nothing has changed since uvalde, texas, joined america's long list of horrific school shootings. today in washington, d.c., families and supporters honored

the 170 victims of gun violence at k through 12 schools since columbine in 1999. laying out a child's parachute on the lawn of the washington monument for each of the victims and calling roll for each and every person marked absent. the event back to school roll call is the first event of lives robbed, a group formed by the families of the children murdered at robb elementary. joining me now is kimberly rubio the mother of uvalde victim lexie rubio and the president of lives robbed and the grandmother of an uvalde victim and lives robbed secretary. i would like to note two other moms who lost their children, as well as a dad, in uvalde, are also in the studio to support kimberly and berlinda. gloria casares. thank you for being here and

your beautiful children. i will give you personal condolences in person. this is the first time we're getting to meet face to face. i'll start with you, my dear. let's talk about why you did what you did today. i think it's obvious to a lot of people. what did you hope to accomplish? >> send a message. i wanted people to take a look at senseless gun violence, and why we haven't done anything. i want our lawmakers to see what they have done. >> yeah, and berlinda, what is the action you expected to happen after uvalde? -- >> i thought for sure there was going to be a change. we all thought our loved ones were going to be important enough to make that change. we, after sandy hook and santa fe, and sarasota springs, and so many prior, we just thought that we would be that one. and we immediately took charge, and began coming to washington within a months time.

we started fighting for the children and, unfortunately, we haven't gotten anywhere yet. >> yeah, the one change that has happened in the state of texas, where you both live, is that now there is a requirement that every school has to have a armed security guard. but to me, that seems -- you know, there were 317 police that responded to uvalde, and they did nothing. do you feel safer? do you feel the kids are safer with one armed security guard in the school? >> absolutely not. guns have no place in the school. the solution is -- let's try this, and lets this. we are just making our schools feel like prisons, for what reason? >> the thing is, is that the public overwhelmingly supports the idea of common sense gun reform, not anything crazy. not confiscation or anything like that. but just the idea of background checks and not having assault weapons being legal. it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the idea that people think the people assault weapons, just walking around. you are saying to, me berlinda,

before, we started -- you walk around now as a different human being, and lost family member. it happened to you. it changes the way you live your life. you are afraid to go places you -- >> -- and anywhere you go, it's anywhere -- any foundation, you look for exits, and you go to a parade, and you are looking on rooftops and seeing if there is anybody there. you walk into a grocery store, and you are looking around, making sure someone doesn't look suspicious or that someone doesn't have a big long coat and -- it changes your whole way of thinking and makes you more aware of -- >> kimberly mata-rubio, i was just overseas. i never thought about it. -- one on the african continent. i never crossed my mind that i was not safe and that i would go somewhere and i would be shot. and yet, children can feel that way when they go to school. this is back to school. >> it's a unique american

problem. and we talk about other locations. schools are especially concerning because it's the one place there are more children than there are adults. if i'm in a grocery store, i have the chance, the opportunity, to maybe be with my child. in school, i left my child in the hands of someone else. >> yeah, and the thing is, it's not only -- i mean, look, my kids are part of the -- generation. they have been doing drills for school shootings since they were in the third grade. they are now in their twenties. do you ever get a sense that the u.s. does not love children enough to change this? >> what is interesting is, the majority of americans do support common sense gun reform. that message is not being -- it's lost on our lawmakers. and it's unfortunate. but we need to be voting them out. we need to make them understand that they work for us. this is what we want. this is what we demand. >> it is not lost on me. you lovely ladies are latina.

texas is a majority minority state at this point, between african americans, asian americans, and the latino community. but the latino community is very young. >> yes. and votes at very low rates. >> also, these voter suppression like raised in your state. how do we get from people supporting gun reform to people voting for gun reform? >> we have to go out and speak out. this is why we do what we do. we are trying to -- the ones we need to reach because, obviously, we are not reaching the lawmakers. so, in order to make that difference, we need to reach out and get them to understand, and get them talking more one-on-one, as much as we can, and helping them to understand the importance of voting. because if you continue to think that your voice doesn't matter, one person thinks that. another person thinks that. it does end up after. while >> absolutely.

>> everybody shouldn't have that kind of mentality. they should feel important, that the vote does matter. >> there is no more powerful voice than a grandma and a mom -- i still can't believe you are a grandma. >> thanks. >> -- and seeing your beautiful baby. so, i just want to thank you all for coming down and sharing some time with me. you are so brilliant and brave. >> thank you so. much >> kimberly mata-rubio and berlinda arreola. we will be right back. will be right back. and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure.

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