think, in mitt's comments in the atlanta, in that video, he still is saying that he and mitt romney believe in these more traditional conservative values. all classically liberal values. but he's also saying things like a big part of the republican party is actively hostile to them and anti constitutional. mike pence is saying we could still fight for this. i think that's another reality check difference that's -- >> thank you very, much thanks for coming on the coming on the hayes show. that's "all in" on this wednesday night. >> this is the chris hayes show now? >> i just renamed it. but he said you don't have to do what i do and go on and chris hayes and troll trump. but if anyone wants to come on chris hayes and troll trump. >> open invitation. >> i sent him a note just being like not only is the substance here, but this is really, really well-done. >> just a class "a" reporter and individual. he'll be visiting our set in a moment -- not a moment. he's welcome to come on tonight.

>> i was about to say he's in a cone of silence. >> there's a lot in that book that needs to be discussed. thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. today donald trump was rebuked by the one judge who he was hoping might give him a leg up. in a new decision this afternoon judge aileen cannon appears to have basically ignored one of the trump team's most brazen requests in the entire classified documents case. last month judge aileen cannon allowed mr. trump to review the documents at issue in his mar-a-lago club while he prepare said for trial. that request was fairly outlandish given the fact the charges in that case all stem from trump's decision to take classified documents down from mar-a-lago in the first place. special counsel jack smith's team argued that those documents should be treated like all other highly classified material and

that trump's team should only be able to view them in a sensitive comparted information facility, what is known as a skiff. today judge kansas n issued her decision on this matter. it's important to note her judge cannon did not specifically deny trump's request to look at classified documents at a florida beach club, but she did not grant it either. any classified information the defense discusses with the defendant in any way shall be handled in accordance with this order including such requirements as confining all documents and materials to an accredited skiff or other location authorized by the security officer in charge of classified material in this case. rough translation of that might be unless a security official deems otherwise, that bathroom with the chandelier is not a secure place to look at classified iranian war plans.

so apart from the fact judge cannon does not seem to be playing ball with the most bonkers request here, this seems the prosecution can finally begin laying out the evidence they'd like to begin using in this case including which of the classified documents they aim to use as evidence against donald trump. now, if you've been following this case, you know there's been a lot of scrutiny on judge cannon and her perceived sympathies on donald trump, the man who appointed cannon to the bench. the timing of the decision may be cause for big concern. the prosecution has been asking judge cannon to make a decision on all this classified material since june. but judge cannon waited until now, mid-september, to make that decision. which begs the question why? do things just move really slowly down there in the southern district of florida? or is it something else? is judge cannon slow walking

this thing? all this comes as we're learning more about the length trump allegedly went to in order to hold onto those classified documents in the first place down at mar-a-lago. "the new york times" released new reporting this weekend about trump's alleged attempt to delete mar-a-lago security footage, and that alleged request reportedly setoff a panic within the trump organization. the person in charge of i.t. down at mar-a-lago is this man, yucil taveras. we know another trump employee, carlos de oliveira allegedly told repeatedly the boss wanted security footage deleted after the fbi requested that footage. and "the times" reports what happens next. soon after returning to the office, mr. taveras confided in a colleague, renzo nivar, what

had just happened. one executive in new york, the trump organization's corporate director of security apparently became alarmed, according to people with knowledge of the matter. he alerted the company's legal department prompting a senior lawyer at the company to deliver a stern warning not to delete anything. so trump demands that the security footage be deleted. yucil taveras, the i.t. guy is reluctant to do it, and he runs that request up the chain. and the trump organization lawyers then effectively say absolutely not, do not do that, no way. we know at some point after that another trump employee drains the pool at mar-a-lago and just happens to flood the room where all that security footage is being kept. mar-a-lago is not a nuanced or particularly complicated

indictment here. but will any of that actually matter at the rate that judge cannon is allowing this case to proceed? joining me now are mimi roca, former assistant attorney for the southern district of new york, and mark zade, an attorney specializing in cases involving national security. thank you for being here. i, mimi, would love to know what would account for a judge receiving this request from the government in june and waiting until september to make a decision on it? >> look, judges often don't move at the pace we at litigators want them to. i've been frustrated by the pace of a judge's judge making decisions more times than i can count. i'm hesitant to prescribe ill

motive to that judge for that. she made a common sense ruling here one would have expected given the circumstances. that said, should she have taken into account the fact, you know, in how long it took her to rule on this, that this is a matter of the greatest public interest, that could possibly exist as many of the other judges do, as the 11th circuit seems to be doing and approach it with that urgency, so i'm not going to ascribe to her a deliberate delay, but it would be nice to see every judge who's involved in any case involving trump to understand that we need to have some clarity. we need to have resolution before the election, no matter what political party you're from, no matter who you plan to vote for. >> elual, yeah, it's complicated by the fact one party in this does not think we need to have resolution in the election, and in fact that may be his primary legal defense strategy.

to your point when you see tonchutkan, the 11th circuit all moving with alacrity, it does make the layman scratch your head. how much room is there for trump to appeal this or otherwise slow down the discovery process? >> so very different things. appeal this, not really. the fact is this is a very routine protective order that has been put in place. there was nothing in this order that was unusual in any way. it was a bad day for donald trump because he didn't get what he had asked for, and so in that sense, i guess one can say it was a victory for the prosecution, but it was standardized. most of those provisions i never

would have thought about in one of my cases because i would have expected it to be that way. now, whether he can slow the process down by way of discovery, yes, and that is a concern with respect to the pace of this court. i agree with mimi wholeheartedly. i can't ascribe any malicious motive to judge cannon at this point or perhaps any point. but there is so much discretionary power in a federal judge or any judge, quite frankly, to govern the rules in their courtroom particularly pace. and this type of case, an espionage act case, is very much decided through the pretrial motion process. this is not going to be a case where there's going to be a surprise if he goes to trial. at trial i can tell you what will happen. he'll be convicted. but i don't know what will

happen in the classification procedures, that he could try and bring that could throw a monkey wrench especially in the process that could be appeals in the 11th circuit that would delay the actual handling of the criminal case itself. >> if trump challenges the classification of something, i assume that goes through judge cannon, but there's also a classified security officer that's making some of these calls, right? >> not the substantive calls. the security officer is just handling the procedural aspects of it to make sure there's an integrity of protecting the formation. so, yes, and there was a footnote in the order that was very broad as to what classified information is, that it has to be a clear delineation of declassification which even though standard was somewhat of a shot across trump's bow, that he could bring motions to challenge classification.

but historically in classified information, cases and espionage act, mishandling cases, it is almost impossible to challenge the classification status of the document. now, he could argue i, the president, declassified some of the documents, but he's going to have to show outright proof, not just oh, i did it, nobody memorialized it in writing. he's going to have a witness who say, yeah, he did it, the security officers maybe failed in their job, but i know the white house security officers. they're careerists, and that would be very unlikely. >> this means now, mimi, that trump's lawyers in theory are going to have access to some of this classified information. is that right? >> the ones who have the clearance. >> right. and can you talk a little about how that -- so right now as it stands assuming there are no further appeals, which is a big assumption, that trump and his lawyers will have to be in a skiff, a sensitive,

compartmentized, information facility, am i getting it right, in order to look at anything classified? is that right? >> that is correct. >> and if you would walk us through what that process will look like, the discovery process we're on the verge of entering into? >> any discovery process when you take the scif out of it could be tedious. you add the scif into that and it's particularly laborious but necessary and something that people charged with these kinds of crimes and less significant crimes have to deal with every day. you have to leave your phone outside, there's all sorts of requirements. it's a windowless room,

soundproof. it's not a please want place to be, and yet, you know, prosecutors, agents, defense attorneys -- >> presidential candidates. >> spend hours in there, and it's just a necessity to protect the kind of information that is at issue in this case. and why is it at issue? it's at issue because trump had the documents. it's a little complaining about a situation that he created. >> it bears mentioning he is running for president, right? and just to put it in the starkest terms possible, if he's trying to talk about specific documents with his lawyers regarding his defense for a trial that's supposed to start in may, he physically needs to be in a secure facility in order to do that. presumably they're not dotted all over the campaign trail in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, et cetera. so that is going to add shall we say further challenge to this. >> it is. that, again, there may be delays. there may be proper delays, improper delay.

we'll see. but the heart of her aruling is substantively correct, but it does create a new series of not unexpected, not unreasonable but issues that will make this, yes, harder for them to deal with. them being trump and his team. >> sorry. mark, just set expectations here. the trial is set for may. is that a reasonable -- should we assume something is actually going to happen at that point? >> certainly possibly. i mean there are a number of motions that trump can potentiallybri particularly regarding whether he declassified information or if he wants to push for additional access to information for his lawyers in particular. there was another provision in the protective order that was issued that i think is very important. it talks about just because information -- i'll paratrades obviously, but just because

information that he knows is classified is out there in "the new york times," has been talked about on this program. that does not declassify the information. that's a standardized provision. we deal with that constantly in lawsuits that i handle, and we have to specifically show it has been declassified by the epty, the agency, the person who had authority over it. that means trump has said a bunch of times on his campaign trail in the last few months after this investigation started that, wait a minute, this information is in this newspaper, that newspaper, this network. he can't do that. that's not going to fly, and hopefully his lawyers will make that very clear to him because you're on very dangerous ground with that. >> hopefully someone, somewhere, or something will make that clear to him. two great experts on all this, thank you for your time tonight. we have a lot more this evening including a shock announcement from senator mitt romney and

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so there are lots of developments out of georgia today where donald trump and 18 other codefendants are being accused of being part of a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in that state. two codefendants, ken chesebro and sidney powell, have already requested a speedy trial, and that request has been granted. their trial is set to begin on october 23rd. but the other defendants including former president trump do not want to move that fast. last night soon after d.a. fani willis filed a motion saying all of the defendants should be tried together because the same evidence and the same witnesses are being used against all of them, after that last night donald trump filed a motion waiving his right to a speedy trial. in exchange he is asking to be tried separately from the other defendants. now, this doesn't necessarily mean that trump is merely looking to separate his trial from everyone else's.

it could suggest trump is attempting to avoid a speedy trial at all costs. at least five other codefendants filed similar motions today with many of them saying they also won't be ready to go to trial by october 23rd, and all of this is turning into a kind of logistical nightmare, the very kind that prosecutors usually like to avoid. as to the central question here, will donald trump go to trial on october 23rd, the final word on that rests with the judge, scott mcafee, expected to make a decision very soon, perhaps as early as tomorrow. joining me now is chris timmons, a former deputy assistant chief attorney. chris, thank you for being here to enlighten me to setting our expectations, how to do it. judge mcafee, what is your expectation about this case is 19 codefendants going to trial together? >> so there's some tension here, alex. one of the things that i don't

think a lot of people are talking about but they need to keep in mind is that this is an active courtroom so he's probable got between 500 and 1,000 cases pending besides this major cases. one of the cases are going to be people in custody, there are people trying to get divorces. and so if this courtroom is tied up for two years as opposed to one year, that's going to cause a major backlog. that's the tension on one side and the tension that says let's try everyone together starting october 23rd. and the other tension here is the effective of counsel and that is if you have attorneys who are not properly prepared for trial, that's an appellate issue and could get the case reversed. you certainly don't want to be the judge who gets the case reversed in one of the most high profile cases in history. the final thing that's kind of an issue is what's going on in federal court with meadows. i understand wave got some orders coming down from the 11th circuit today setting up a

briefing circle. the last thing you want to do is have issues attached under double jeopardy and all those things are in play and all those things are things judge mcafee has asked about and will be talking about as the case moves forward. >> okay, reading between the lines there, i'm hearing there's a risk giving everybody an october 23rd trial date because their lawyers are not prepared and all kinds of judicial peril in counsel that can later claim or defendants who can later claim counsel wasn't prepared. secondly, in terms of meadows request we're talking about removal to federal court. judge mcafee has brought that up saying there's this whole attempt to move this to federal court, how's that going to intercept to what's we're doing in state court? the fact is the 11th circuit seem tuesday be moving pretty fast on all of that.

that's going to be resolved relatively soon? >> yeah, it looks like it probably by mid-september or late september anyway. i think the last date on scheduling order is the 28th. it's moving lightening fast. i haven't seen the 11th circuit move that fast before in any of the cases i've dealt with. we're in unusual circumstances. i think probably the hundred or so correspondents and contributors that have talked about this case have said the same thing over and over again, we're in uncharted waters. and so i think the 11th circuit wants to give some direction to judge mcafee to let him know whether or not to proceed forward. i think they're going to ultimately decide with judge jones from district court. i don't expect mr. meadows to get the ruling against him overturned. and the question is, okay, we're at september 28th, we get a ruling by maybe october 1st by the 11th circuit, are those 22 days enough time to let everyone know this is coming?

one other thing you should consider, alex, is they've got time during jury selection. this jury selection is going to take forever, and they can be formulating a plan how they wish to defend this case even while they're questioning the jurors and going through the process. >> one more for you, chris, in terms of the 19, when do we find out if anybody's flipped? the flipping if it's happening is happening now, is that right? >> it should, yeah. i'm sure there are discussions that are going on behind had scenes to flip folks. and usually, alex, what you want to do if you're looking at an indictment in georgia the least indictments to a conspiracy is particularly toward the end. you start from the bottom and work your way up like a carpet. you very rarely want to flip someone toward the top. if i were a prosecutor i'd be

looking trying to flip mark meadows, because i think if anybody knows whether donald trump said something along the lines of, hey, i know there wasn't voter fraud in georgia but i need to pursue this anyway, the person who'd probably know that is mark meadows. he would have been at a lot of the meetings where it could have personally come up. they may have already have that evidence, they may be getting that from someone else, but that's the wild card in the case and the state really needs to prove is that donald trump knew on some level there was not voter fraud involved in georgia and it was a clean election. >> right now mark meadows would like to not have to go to georgia state court. chris timmons, a wealth of information. a carpet filled with people ready to flip and all kind of legal pretrial motions. thank you for joining me, chris. appreciate it. >> appreciate the opportunity. >> you're so welcome. we have lots more this evening

including the evidence behind the republican push to impeach biden or the lack thereof. congressman jamie raskin joins me on all that. but first a tea party insurgent is now being threatened with a maga primary. how that happened and what it all means for the gop. that is next. d what it all means for the gop. that is next

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issues that will make a difference to the lives of the american people. the trump wing of the party talks about resentments of various kinds and getting even. >> that was utah senator and former presidential candidate mitt romney talking to the press for the first time this afternoon he'll not be seeking re-election. while senators told reporters in the room his reason for retiring was to make way for a younger generation leaders, senator romney was a bit more candid elsewhere. for years now romney has been meeting with journalist coppins in secret for up the upcoming biography. he had decided not to seek re-election and the decision was in part because the men in romney's family had a history of sudden heart failure. romney wanted to spend more time with his family. but the other part of the

decision seems to be based on a feeling that romney no longer fit in his own party. romney talks about how after he was the only republican to vote to convict trump in trump's first impeachment trial, after that romney says he never felt comfortable at a republican caucus lunch again. romney explains how -- how jarring it was to be booed by republicans in his home state at the utah republican party convention and that if he was being honest with himself, there were moments up on that stage where he was afraid of them. it was utah after all, and in utah people carry guns. sit with that for a moment. the republican party has radicalized so much that its own 2012 candidate for president is physically afraid of the party's face. that is where we are at. do you remember when congressman ken buck entered the political

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reporting that the maga wing of the republican party wants to primary congressman ken buck. they don't think he is conservative enough. the maga wing of the party has been mad at congressman buck ever since he ultimately decided to vote to certify the results of the 2020 election on january 6th. but the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back appears to be that congressman ken buck did not think it was right to open an impeachment inquiry into president biden without any actual evidence. notice that i say didn't, past tense because apparently yesterday congressman buck changed his tune. he told nbc's sahill ku pure, he now thinks it's a good idea for kevin mccarthy to launch an impeachment inquiry in the house. so maybe congressman buck is maga enough to stay in the good graces of the republican party. senator mitt romney on the other hand is out, never to return. we're going to talk to congressman jamie raskin, the

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there's no evidence that has turned up over the last seven months that joe biden is guilty of any criminal wrongdoing, any high crime and misdemeanor, much less prostitution, bribery, money laundering or any of the

crimes that were set forth in that laundry list. >> that was congressman jamie raskin today during a hearing for the house oversight committee responding to their republican colleagues in the latest attempts to justify an impeachment inquiry into president biden despite the fact that inquiry is based on accusations and hearsay and not actual evidence. now, "the new york times" has pretty helpfully unpacked some of the claims speaker mccarthy made when he announced that impeachment inquiry, and here's one example. mr. mccarthy's claim, eyewitnesses have testified the president joined on multiple phone calls and had multiple interactions, dinners that resulted in cars, millions of dollars into his son and his son's business partners. beyond mr. biden exchanging niceties with his sons, republicans have provided no evidence the elder mr. biden was involved in landing that business or participated in it .

congressman raskin, thank you so much for being here. i find it the more you dig into these republican claims, the more it is evident that there is no there there. should democrats rebut directly some of the arguments, the pacific arguments republicans are making when it comes to president biden? >> no, we need to rebut every single argument that they're making. otherwise, you know, one of their claims will just get out of control though they'll all rally around it and repeat it a million times. but the bottom line is that we've been through seven months of hearings on this, and they

essentially haven't laid a glove on joe biden, simply not a shred of evidence linking him to any criminal wrongdoing or any treason, bribery, and other high crime or misdemeanor. and all there is is a bunch of rumor and innuendo. and of course the country's about to get a complete seminar in evidence, in what is real evidence and what's not evidence. but all that they have is a bunch of idle rumor and speculation at this point. >> and you think that needs to be answered? >> well, all of the evidence really answers it. the witnesses they brought forward, the 12,000 pages worth of bank records, the sars documents, all of them contradict the factual claims that they're making every day. in other words, we've got all the evidence, and it completely demolishes the assertions they make about joe biden, but that's not going to allow them to stop

them why? because it has nothing to do with factual evidence but everything to do with the fact donald trump wants them to proceed and is ordering them to do it. marjorie taylor greene had dinner with him a few nights ago and pledged with him it would be a long and agnizing difficult proceeding with biden. it's donald trump exacting revenge for an impeachment that he lost in the house of representatives because he incited a violent insurrection against the union, and then there was a 57-43 vote in the senate to convict him. he beat the constitutional spread by a little bit, but they were commanding bipartisan, bicameral majorities seeking to convict him in establishing as a legislative fact he did incite insurrection against our government. >> being the impeachment expert you are, i do wonder if you're concerned about the power the

impeachment inquiry and those that sit on the inquisition as it were, they've enhanced subpoena power in all this. what are democrats preparing for in terms of the information that republicans are going to seek from the president and his family? >> well, they've essentially gotten all of the evidence they've sought to obtain so far. the claim of obstruction is ridiculous when chairman comer of the oversight committee himself is bragging about how he got 100% of everything he asked for, and in that moment of boastfulness he gave the game away, and it's been clear everything they've been seeking they had, but it contradicts the claims they want to be make, and remember it was a bunch of people who could not bring themselves to impeach donald trump to convict or convict

donald trump for inciting an insurrection against the union to overthrow a presidential election when the evidence was overwhelming. now there's basically no evidence of anything against joe biden and they want to proceed to impeach him. so we're going to check them at every stop. we're not going to allow them to get away with anything, you know, as we did today. there was a hearing that they called about third party financing of litigation and the corruption of the justice system. well, we turned it into a hearing about the corruption of the supreme court by all of the billionaire sugar daddies that have adopted justice thomas, justice alito and so on and spread millions of dollars around the supreme court in things like fancy, far-flung, jet travel, trips on yachts, private school tuition, buying

family houses, buying private school tuition for their families, and we're going to put them on trial. it's the only way we can deal with the rule or ruin faction that's taken over the republican party, and kevin mccarthy capitulates them at every turn. >> i see a strategy emerging here. take their inquisition and turn it into their own. congressman jamie raskin, thank you as always for your time. >> if i could say one thing it's not an inquisition, but it's like harry truman. we're all about putting the facts out there as well as the law. the constitution requires high crimes and misdemeanors, and they don't have evidence of anything like that. >> just fight them back with the truth. thank you so much, congressman. when we come back, as mitt romney jumps from the republican party, the gop's de facto leader is relishing support from vladimir putin.

where to go from there? "the new york times" columnist michelle goldberg reads the road map with me coming up next. map with me coming up next

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the trump, putin mutual admiration society is alive and well. first the russian president called trump's criminal indictments a symbol of the rottenness of the american political system, then added everything that is happening with trump is the persecution of a political rival for political reasons. alexei navalny.

then trump went on truth social and used putin's words to attack joe biden. and while he was doing that, putin was giving a tour of the russian space tour to north korean dictator kim jong-un. really, that was happening all at the same time. u.s. officials say the two governments are actively advancing a potential arms deal. that is who the republican presidential front-runner is citing for political gain, a guy currently exchanging ballistic missile technology with kim jong-un in exchange for weapons to use against ukraine. as republican moderates like mitt romney start to jump ship, the rest of the gop is increasingly coalescing behind the same guy that vladimir putin is out there defending. >> well, there's no question the republican party today is in the shadow of donald trump. it's a populist i believe demagogue portion of the party. >> joining me now is michelle

goldberg, opinion columnist for "the new york times." michelle, what does it mean for mitt romney, what does it mean to excommunicate mitt romney? >> it doesn't necessarily mean he was going to lose a primary that's popular in utah. even mitt romney who at every stage of the trump administration was consistently sure there was some sort of alternative, that there was some sort of bubble that was going to pop, that there was the responsibility of a patriotic republican party, has basically seen the writing on the wall and said, you know, that he can't do it anymore. >> i'm a man without a country. my question is, though, if he is so disheartened, disaffected, you know, with the republican party, why not be more clear about what's happening inside it? in this worth from mckay

coppins, he effectively gossips, if you will, about the ways in which other senior republicans including mitch mcconnell understand trump to be a pox on the party. and yet, you know, in his big announcement, he's leaving, you're gnat not hearing any of that. >> although he's not quite keeping it to himself. >> it's going to be on sale. >> right because he knows obviously this is going into this book. although, the thing i think is so interesting is he talks in that excerpt, in the atlantic about the social prec, when you're a republican even if you're going to be an anti-trump republican, there are these social pressures to kind of tow the line. he talks about how relieved his staff was when they thought he might actually vote to acquit donald trump during the first impeachment. and he even talked about how awkward it is to sit at the lunches with these people who have -- you know, who are behaving in such a slavish and craven manner. i just think that there's kind

of a level at which when they're in the tent they try to stay somewhat in the good graces, and once they kind of really give up on it, you see this a whole lot of anti-trump ex-republicans. >> i do wonder, though, when you have someone like tommy tuberville in the senate, it's clear he's not staying in line. and the senate is increasingly -- i won't say it's devolving into the same chaos as the house, but it's very clear mitch mcconnell is not running a tight ship anymore. look at what tuberville is doing, completely at odds with his party on key issues. so why not? >> he's not completely at odds with his party. he's completely at odds with senate leadership perhaps. >> sure, going after the defense industrial complex is at largely at odds to what republicans want. >> i think it's what republicans have traditionally wanted, but i think there is -- you know, there's a part of the republican

party that's become so radicalized not just about the democrats but has become really so pessimistic about america that they no longer see the military as something they respect. they no longer see, you know, the defense industry as kind of something worthy of their respect. and, you know, not because they're offended by america's forever war, not because they're offended by the pork that keeps the defense industry afloat but because they think the military is quote-unquote woke. in that sense he's very much right, he's part of the zeitgeist. >> maga nihilism, that's very much a common thread inside the gop. you know with a josh holley, with a j.d. vance, they've shown in the senate you can set yourself apart from the crowd. and one wonders could romney not use these waning days to make romney a publicly principled

standard. >> he's still going to be in the senate for a couple more years, and so we'll see kind of, you know, now that he has nothing left to lose, we'll see -- you know, we'll see what he does. but, you know, i just think it goes to show that there is no more decent faction of the republican party, right, and we used to kind of wonder at the on set of the trump administration why aren't the republicans speaking up, how do they live with themselves? you know, when is kind of the things that they say behind closed doors going to break out into the open? i think the answer romney has come up with, never, yeah. >> and in the meantime trump, putin, kim jong-un, and also elon musk. it's like a dc comics mount baddy -- >> and people are sick of talking about russia because the republicans have played a assort of jujitsu where they wined about it so much they made it seem as if trump didn't actually seek help in the last election.

imagine the scope of the russian meddling in this election and the degree to which there'll be no push back on it from the republican party. >> push back? embrace. this is where we live, where we're at right now in 2023. michelle goldberg, thank you as always. that is our show for this evening. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. we don't have the president's bank statements, we don't have hunter biden's bank statements. providing information like that would answer the question. >> all we're trying to do is not an impeachment, it's just answer these questions. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy defending the impeachment inquiry into president biden as just answering questions. we'll have more of his comments including who he blames for his flip-flop and whether to launch it without a full house vote. and meanwhile on capitol hill far right republicans are digging