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good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a lot going on today. we are getting a better sense of when donald trump could stand trial in georgia. this morning, the superior court judge scott mcafee granting motions by two co-defendants to separate their trials. the two are sidney powell and former trump campaign lawyer and conspiracy theoryist and attorney kenneth chesebro. also today, prosecutors agreed to let lawyers for chesebro and powell know the identities of the unindicted co-conspirators in the case. ken dilanian joining us. a lot of new developments. fill us in. >> the biggest one is that donald trump will not go on trial this fall. two other people will. that's deeply significant.

sidney powell and kenneth chesebro, two key players. what does that mean? we will see the evidence. we will see the witnesses in this case in a remarkably quick time frame in october. jury selection is october. the trial could begin as soon as november. the judge has said it could take as long as eight months. not only will we see it, donald trump and his attorneys will see it which gives them a bit of an advantage. there's a chance that the public becomes numb to this, to the extent to this trial is replayed once, twice, three times on television. it's going to be fascinating. even though the former president won't be sitting in the defendant's dock, this trial will garner huge national attention because it's about issues that go to the heart of our democracy. >> ken, thank you. joining us now, former federal prosecutor, paul butler. what's your reaction, paul, to

this decision from judge mcafee? we are beginning to see outlines how he will proceed. >> it's huge. the judge said that the trial for chesebro and powell will be starting in late october. jury selection will be completed by november 3rd, which means that we're going to have this trial this year. the judge said that there may be other severances. that means there will be at least two trials in fulton county and possibly three or maybe even four. >> ken, take us through that from what you know. what does that mean? who else could end up with other severances, other early trials? what does this all do to pushing donald trump's back? >> it's hard to know exactly how that shakes out, andrea, except that we know that donald trump wants to delay this as long as possible. this does play into his hands, to the extent other defendants

are arguing that they are separate for various reasons. you heard sidney powell's lawyer argue that she does not belong in the case. he referenced this incident where some election data was accessed as part of the indictment. he is saying he has evidence that this wasn't about her. she doesn't belong in the case. you can hear that argument from a lot of defendants. they don't fit in neatly into the racketeering case. they should be tried separately. to the extent there's two, maybe three trials that -- if they win the severance motions, that pushes off donald trump who will try to delay as much as possible. as i said all along, we will see jack smith stand in a courtroom or his prosecutors in washington, d.c. talking about donald trump and the election long before we will see donald trump go on trial on these atlanta charges. >> joining us now is professor, former fulton county district attorney, melissa redman, now an

msnbc legal analyst. welcome. it's great to see you. what's your reaction to judge mcafee's decision in you probably know him from your work there. what do you think about this to separate powell and chesebro's cases from the other co-defendants after willis, of course, pushed to keep them all together, all 19 together, starting in october. >> right. i think we all assumed they would be severed. we are talking about trial by october 23rd. understanding the state's position and that they have to try this entire case anyway each time they try it. they don't want do it 19 times. but we can't force defendants to comply with another co-defendant's or co-conspirator's speedy trial demand when they would like to argue their motions, appeal

those motions, go through the discovery in detail and sometimes delay, if they choose to use that as a tactic. i think it was anticipated that judge mcafee would separate out these two defendants and try them together and then schedule case management orders for the remaining, see what motions they filed, what happens with the motions to remove, if anyone else opts into a speedy trial demand. a lot of that remains to be seen. as far as his decision, i think it was anticipated. >> a different question on the legal front, paul. taking advantage of you being here as well. judge cannon's ruling in florida on the mar-a-lago case. there had been a request, a proposal, which was really routine, according to the legal experts i have talked to, a proposal for a secure room in

which to have donald trump view the documents when these are presented by the prosecution to the defense. the classified documents would be seen in a secure way, not in the bathroom of mar-a-lago, for his convenience. she didn't rule until yesterday. she gets it in june. she takes until september. that seems like a long delay on a routine proposal. what does that tell you about the pace of what might be happening with mar-a-lago? >> it revives concerns about judge cannon and her impartiality. she made several rulings in favor of donald trump that were not supported by law. now she seems to be going along with trump's stated desire to slow drag all of these cases. look, this is a case where

there's literally thousands of documents. it's going to take a long time. in terms of order, i think we are looking at the trial in d.c., the federal trial first, and probably -- maybe now even some trials in fulton county next. the trial -- the federal trial about the documents, that's a long way away. >> the evidence is more open and shut, it could have been a speedy case, once it got started. thanks so much, paul. welcome again to melissa. it's great to have you on the team. of course, ken dilanian, as always. coming up, party strife. with a government shutdown looming, speaker mccarthy facing a vote from his right in his own conference despite launching a biden impeachment inquiry. that's next. when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. don't go away. we're on msnbc. on msnbc (mom) bringing in a new roommate to save money - is that the plan? (dad) well we gotta find some way to save. so say hi to glen. from work.

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speaker mccarthy's frustration with the maga members of his own conference is boiling over today, pushing back on hardline members of his conference from opposing any continuing resolution to keep the government open, after the end of september. calling their bluff to put his speakership up for a vote on the floor. challenging them to, quote, file the blanking motion if they want to remove him. >> i showed frustration in here because i am frustrated with the committee. i'm frustrated with some people in the conference. we had the dod appropriation bill yesterday. couldn't put it on the floor. i don't have one complaint by any member of what's wrong with this bill. >> former michigan republican congressman fred upton and garrett haake joining us now. garrett, first, let me come to you for a second. you were covering this

conference meeting today. what he basically said -- he was threatened by matt gaetz yesterday with a motion to vacate, the threat over his head since the roll call votes to make him the speaker. so he eventually blew up and said, file the f-ing motion. >> that's right. mccarthy is frustrated with this threat because he believes it isn't real. the problem for matt gaetz and the other anti-mccarthy folks within the republican conference is they don't have an alternative. there's no one else in the wings who could be acceptable to 218 republicans. even if there were someone else, that other person doesn't have the magic wand to give them what they want that mccarthy can't either. they prevented his ability to pass spending bills the normal way. they tell him they will not allow him to do a cr to give himself time to pass them the way they want. they have told him he can't wait until the end of the year and pass them together. those are the only three

options. i understand his frustration. i don't know how he gets out of this particular jam. >> fred, let's talk about this. you used to be a member of this great club. decided not to seek re-election. as you know, better than i, the continuing resolution is the only solution at the end of the month when the budget runs out. the senate has passed 12 appropriation bills, the normal way. the house has passed none. they tried to move the defense bill, the most urgent, in the middle of a war in ukraine and everything else and our soldiers have to get paid, and they wouldn't even let that move to the floor or have a rule to pass it yesterday. he was boxed in and threatened by matt gaetz. what do you think of what's going on? >> it is a mess in the house, that's for sure. the report this morning is they used more than just my initialled at this closed republican conference meeting this morning.

it is a mess. a lot of it stems from -- remember the debt ceiling issue that we had earlier this summer. they came to an agreement. the agreement was that they were going to have a cap on spending. they agreed on a top line number. the senate has moved on all of those bills, in essence, or will by the end of next week reflective of that agreement. the freedom caucus folks said, no, that was a ceiling. we want a floor. they want to have it tens of billions of dollars less. they can't pass that. they couldn't pass the ag bill, the dod bill today. they haven't been able to pass any of the 12 appropriation bills, the worst ever. you might remember the promise the speaker made at the beginning of the year when elected speaker that we're not going to have a continuing resolution, we're going to do all 12 bills. guess what? he hasn't had the votes even among the republican caucus to get passage of any of these bills. now we are literally a handful

of legislative days left before the end of the fiscal year. they have this screaming match today using bad initials. no one knows exactly how it's going to turn out. the senate is going to pass their bill reflective of the bipartisan agreement from last summer. the house probably can't pass that. we are looking at a real shutdown. as it relates to the vacating the chair, remember the speaker agreed to just one member raising their hand and say we're going to have a revote. it took kevin 15 votes to get speaker back in january. there is no real alternative among republicans that can get 218. it is a mess. in meantime, for us here in michigan, we got a potential auto strike. we got all these issues. you have ukraine. it is worse than i have ever seen it. >> let me ask you this. is there a way -- he could pass

things with democratic votes, probably. they have threatened him to fire him basically using that motion to vacate if he uses democratic votes to get to 218. can he take things to the floor without passing a rule? can he get things right on the floor and just use democrats to avoid a government shutdown? >> the issue now that kevin has is because he reversed himself from calling a vote for the impeachment inquiry on the president, i don't think the democrats are in any mood to want to cooperate knowing they are going after the presumptive nominee for the democratic party. why should they play ball when 48 hours earlier the speaker came out and said, we're going to move forward on this inquiin, probably does lead to a vote at some point down the line, maybe a month or two down the line. there is no cooperation over in the house. it's like screw you and everyone

that looks like you in terms of probably from the democratic side in terms of trying to get any cooperation. even though they have had six weeks off -- a six-week recess, things aren't any better today than they were in july when they adjourned for the recess. >> as fred upton said, it's like his initials. thank you so much, fred upton from michigan. a lot going on today. garrett, stay with us. you know better than anyone that a government shutdown means pain for everything, but also taking us down another rate on the credit rating. it costs billions of dollars, unnecessary billions to have a government shutdown, even a short one. romney's reckoning. what brought him to a breaking point, deciding to quit the senate and not run for

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it would be a great thing if president biden and former president trump were to stand aside and let their respective party pick someone in the next generation. president trump -- excuse me, president biden when he was running said he was a transitional figure. time to transition.

>> 76-year-old mitt romney is creating a firestorm after calling on the two presidential frontrunners to step aside for a younger generation. romney's retirement announcement was also timed with the release of shocking excerpts from an upcoming biography revealing how romney warned mitch mcconnell, the senate leader, that extremists were threatening violence on january 6 and mitch mcconnell reportedly never responded. back with us is garrett haake, who covered romney's 2012 presidential bid and covers the hill as well as covering donald trump. joining us is stewart stephens, mitt romney's chief campaign strategy and senior advisor at the lincoln project and someone that garrett has spent quality time on campaign trail with. it's great to see you. garrett had said romney found his most genuine voice as a senator. let me ask garrett first how

those comments playing on the hill, all these revelations about his colleagues? >> not well. two of the republican senators who romney takes to task at one degree or another in the interviews have pushed back on those comments today. vance said, if you call me the least respected person in the senate, at least in romney's view, come say it to my face. the interesting thing is, i don't think mitt romney cares about their response at all. i do think the difference between mitt romney in 2023 than 212 is, i think he is saying what he feels. he is backed away from things that made him effective in his early career but made him appear cynical, like backing away from romney care or chasing the trump endorsement. he doesn't immediate to worry about the money. has a family that loves him. has done many of the things he set out to do. now he is going to tell people what he thinks. >> a big family. a great big wonderful family.

stewart, the author previewed his upcoming biography in "the atlantic," writing, perhaps romney's most surprising discovery upon entering the senate was his disgust with trump was not unique among his republican colleagues. they rolled their eyes at his antics and made observations about his toddler-like psyche. you know romney better than most. how difficult was this decision for him to not run again? how great is his disgust with the party factor? >> i think it's easier to answer the latter than the former. serious decisions are something romney takes seriously. i have ever reason to believe this is something he thought long and hard about. i think his off the record and on the record are the same. what you see is what you get.

what he is saying about what other republicans believed about trump, everybody knows this. the reason that republicans in congress and a lot of elected officials are uneasy with mitt romney is, he shows that you don't have to be a coward. you can say these things. you can speak to truth. let the chips fall where they may. when mitch mcconnell says, i wish i could say this or others could say this, of course, you can say this. you are not genetically wired to be a coward. you took an oath of office that you are walking away from and defiling because you are supporting someone you know is against the best interests of america who really has attempted to overthrow the government of the united states of america and is running on a pretty openly anti-democratic authoritarian movement that has become your party.

if you don't stand up to that, why are you in office? for the good parking at the senate? it's really just -- romney is this x-ray that shows that the republican party has no soul or spine. >> stewart, this biography has excerpts and includes shocking pre-january 6 insight. he writes that romney sends his text to mitch mcconnell. in case you have not heard this, i got a call from angus king -- i should say he is on intel committee -- who said he had spoken with a senior official at the pentagon who reports that they are seeing disturbing social media traffic regarding the protests planned on the 6th. there are calls to burn down your home, mitch, to smuggle guns into d.c. and to storm the capitol. i hope security plans are in place. i am concerned the instigator, the president, is the one who

commands the reinforcements required. boy, that was accurate. mcconnell never responded. i'm seeing the january 6 picture of mitt romney walking by limbself down the hall into an approaching mob and getting warned by a heroic policeman to turn back and blocked the way, saving him from being attacked. >> yeah. what does it say about mitch mcconnell that he didn't even respond to that text? you know, look at mitch mcconnell. he wakes up on january 5, 2021, he is majority leader of the senate, he wakes up on january 6, 2021, he is minority leader and he and his colleagues are running for their life in their own office. yet he still won't vote to convict donald trump. he won't say donald trump's name in public now. this is where the party is. it has reached the point where

seven out of eight or six out of nine of the republicans raise their hand when they said that they would support donald trump even if he was convicted of a felony, which includes charges of attempting to overthrow the government of the united states. what romney shows is that you can be an american first. that's what you are supposed to do. he is a conservative. a lot of democrats, i think they still are shocked to remember romney is a conservative. he is the only senator in the history of the united states who voted to convict for impeachment a member of his own party. he did it twice. it just is proof of how -- i think of romney's moral character and strength and courage, but also a sign of how far the party has collapsed. it's really not a governing

party. i think it's a collapse of a major party in america unlike any we have seen in our history. it is a true statement, i think, that the democratic party is the only pro-democracy party in america. the republican party has become an authoritarian movement. >> having covered mitt romney on this program as well in 2012 and you -- you were a partisan republican in that campaign. this is what has happened. >> garrett can testify to that. >> not criticism. doing what you needed to do. i have emails from you. great to see you. garrett, thank you very much. fair trade. inside the controversial prisoner exchange with iran and the $6 billion that come with it. the top democrat on the house

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>> translator: the arrangements have been done, and the final action of swapping the prisoners should be finalized in due time. that was the iranian president speaking exclusively this week through a government translator with nbc's lester

holt in tehran. five americans wrongfully detained in iran are expected to be freed at any time as part of that controversial exchange that would unlock $6 billion in frozen iranian assets and also send five iranians back to iran. how iran will use those funds is the center of con tegs with the biden administration insisting the money would only be spent on approved humanitarian purposes and it would be doled out, if you will, be the central bank of qatar. for the families of the americans, their focus is bringing their loved ones home. joining us now is democratic congressman jim heim, ranking member of the intelligence committee, and one of the prisoners who is part of the deal is your constituent. family members have been here. congressman, thank you. you have been in contact with his family throughout this very long process. how is the family feeling now? what is he telling them? they communicate now that they are under house arrest, but

still not released from iran, still not able to come home. >> that's right. in these deals, they are never done until the hostages are on an airplane. we are hoping that may occur in the next couple of days. for five years, i have watched the family and been aware of the family of the other hostages waking up every morning knowing that their loved ones -- in his case, 68 years old and with cancer, rotting away in hell on earth. the family and the families of the other five concerned are -- other four concerned are hoping in the next 72 hours for a deliverance from years of hell. >> iran's president says they can use the money for whatever they want. john kirby told me that is not true. there's atreasury would monitoro

use it just for humanitarian needs. how can washington be sure of that? >> there's been a lot of misinformation about that. of course, the iranian leadership have their own politics. they find it convenient to lie about the provisions associated with this. the reality is, this money will go from south korea to banks we know and trust in qatar. they will provide invoices that will be reimbursed. it must be for food, for pharmaceuticals and health care items and for agricultural products. as kirby probably told you, if we see violations occurring there, we have the right to stop the flow of money. these things are hard. i'm not saying this is a no brainer. it's hard when any president trades something with the iranian regime or the russian regime. in this case, we have real visibility into how the money will be used. it will be used for humanitarian purposes only.

>> there's been a lot of criticism. i know we have been looking back at it, it isn't that long ago, donald trump's administration did some of these as well. you try to get americans home, leave no one behind. it's politically fraught in this campaign year. turning to politics, the president's age is a growing concern. senator mitt romney and david ignatius both said publically that joe biden should step aside, that both candidates should step aside because of their age. what about your party and the polling that says that a majority -- clear majority of democrats as well as republicans say that joe biden should not be running for a second term? >> i've been doing this for a while. we are in the phase where everybody is thinking about who their version of the perfect presidential candidate may be. eventually, what a presidential election becomes is a choice between two individuals. i can tell you with some confidence two things. joe biden has preside over

remarkable legislative successes on infrastructure, on the biggest investment we made in addressing climate change, insuh lynn for medicare recipients is $35. he has a record to run on. we know that he can beat donald trump because he has done it before. i understand we are in this phase where everybody is trying to figure out who the perfect candidate is. eventually, this comes down to somebody who can beat donald trump. i believe joe biden is that person. >> congressman, thanks so much. we are hoping those americans get out of iran soon. ready to strike. what it might mean for the u.s. economy and for all americans if the united auto workers go on strike. joining us next is democratic congresswoman from michigan debbie dingell. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. mitchell reptsor" only on msnbc. ♪ we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline,

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ceo and employees get. it's pretty big. the ceos insist they are negotiating in good faith and they have great offered on the table, they say. the president of the uaw is pushing back. >> our goal is not to strike. our goal is to reach a fair agreement. if the companies continue to bargain in bad faith or continue to stall or continue to give us insulting offers, then our strike is going to continue to grow. we're not just going to stand by as corporate executives and the rich continue to make extraordinary profits while the rest of us continue to get left further and further behind at the big three and beyond. >> that was the head of the uaw, of course. joining us now, democratic congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan. actually, from detroit and the

surrounding area, which we have a lot of uaw members in your district. this is supposed to be a partial strike, a rolling strike. only some plants will take part starting tonight to give the workers more leverage, lessen the economic impact on them. they would have strike benefits to spare rather than everything shutting down. it would still be crippling to the industry. what do you think of the latest? we don't hear of any closure at all. they are wide apart. >> it's good to be with you. this is a day that i deeply am concerned about. i have been talking to people all night and all day. they are still at the table. there's a little more than 11 hours left until tonight. i think there's better than a 50/50 chance that there will be a strike. i've seen many negotiations. i have seen things break in those last 11 hours.

in my lifetime, this is probably the most serious negotiation i have seen. it's a crossroads for the industry and its future. >> there are a lot of things at stake. electric vehicles, different pay, different work rules. what about the white house involvement? they managed to prevent a rail strike, which would have crippled the economy. that had a federal component because of the mix of jurisdictions over railroads. this is all private. i don't see publically at least any role that the white house is playing in trying to prevent this or bring the two sides together. what's happening behind the scenes? >> first of all, i want to say the white house should not intervene should there be a strike. it's not an appropriate role for them to play. one of the reasons we are at a crossroads on this is that we are in transition from internal combustion engine to electric vehicles and other technology. too many people want to make

this an either or. we will worry about the environment or we will worry about workers and we can't do both. the rubber is hitting the road. this is where we have to do both. we have to make sure that this transition is protecting the worker at the same time. the worker is who gave in 2008, in 2009 when this industry was in trouble. they gave up their cost of living adjustments. they gave a number of things. because of those -- what happened in 2008 and 2009, these workers's current salary is almost 10% in real terms because of inflation than what they were being paid. we have to figure out how that's going to adjust. you have three people working on the same line doing the same job, but because of the way the jobs have been tiered, before we came in, after you came in, you are a temporary worker for eight to ten years, that's not fair. there's resentment. that's got to be addressed.

another issue that really does have to be addressed is who is going to make these batteries of the future? are they joint ventures? i want then to be union workers and good paying jobs. you have an plant in ohio where they make $16.50 an hour and they can make $23 at mcdonald's. that's at stake. people have to listen to each other, what each other is saying. we gotta make sure we are delivering for the american worker. in the end, i'm not going to let the vehicles be built in china. they will be built here in the united states of america. we will show the world we are leading in innovation and technology. >> there's been so much outsourcing to mexico in the south where they make less money. let me talk about another issue that could really cripple our economy and cost taxpayers a bundle of money. speaker mccarthy is in a box from his conference on funding the government after the end of september.

now that they brought up impeachment, which makes it more complicated, he thought that would help win him votes from the hard right, which were opposing to keep the government open, they are still going against him. would democrats vote on a continuing resolution to help get him out of this bind, even though arguably with the impeachment threat, you know, he has done this to the democratic incumbent president and some political instinct might be let him stew in his own juices. what say you? >> i'm going to say this. we have to see how this plays out. we have to see what the bill is we are voting for. shutting down the government is just simply unacceptable. it's not a way to run the government. mitch mcconnell has said that we should have a continuing resolution. i think impeachment is going to backfire on them. i will vote for a continuing resolution if it makes sense, because we shouldn't shut the government down. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, as always, let's hope this gets

resolved and both sides figure it out. thank you. >> thank you. an age-old issue, the president and other politicians in both parties trying to side step the question of how old is too old to be in office? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. you're watchin this is msnbc.

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the age issue in politics isn't going away for both

parties with the polls showing pa president biden's age is a major issue for voters. former secretary of state and presidential candidate hillary clinton was asked about that today on "morning joe." >> when people say to me, well, he's old. yeah, that's right, but look at what he's gotten done. and then if that's not enough for you, look at the alternative, a wrecking crew. people who as mitt romney said do not even believe in our constitution, who don't want to solve problems, who only want to engage in meaningless, endless partisan sniping. we just got to get the naysayers and the whiners and the snipers, you know, to just go to the back of the room because they're not helping at all. >> joining me now, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and the bulwark writer at large, charlie sykes. donna, hillary clinton is certainly making a big point about the president's accomplishments. that's what the white house has

been saying. the voters are just not responding yet. what does the white house do? >> well, look, i think that they have to continue to show the president and how vigorous and committed he is to the job. i mean, i'll tell you, i'm 20 years younger. i don't think i could have done that g20 stint that he just finished, and his record number of accomplishments that are bipartisan accomplishments getting things done that no one expected, and i think that this is the president's strong suit, and he needs to lean into it. his experience, his wisdom, his ability to work in -- with the congress. all of these are pluses, and i think they have to highlight that for the american people, but i mean, he puts me to shame. i want to go to bed because he has so much energy. >> and charlie, on impeachment, speaker mccarthy is clearly frustrated in using expletives with his own party conference today, almost challenging the far right members of his caucus to put his speakership to a

vote. a government shutdown is also looking more likely. >> this is not a real move of political genius, right, to launch the performative impeachment of the president without any evidence, you know, on the eve of a possible government shutdown, but this is the ticket that kevin mccarthy bought. i mean, this is the world that has been created by his willingness to make one promise after another to the craziest members of his caucus. i'm sorry, but i'm not going to break out the world's tiniest violin to feel sorry for him because he built this one at a time. >> and charlie, i also want to get your reaction to florida governor desantis who is of course a leading presidential candidate telling people not to get the new covid vaccine shot. this is an all purpose shot, and you can get it with your flu shot, and it's not a booster. it should be a yearly shot.

he says it's safe, it's safe for, you know, toddlers, for infants, you know, just saying it's anyone 65 and older should not get this new covid shot, rather should get the covid shot. it's a safe shot. >> last time i looked, ron desantis was not a doctor, did not play one on television, so this kind of rhetoric is just reckless. i understand that he's running for president of the united states, but the one thing that you would hope is that no politician would actually put the lives of americans at risk by giving them bogus advice. and unfortunately, this is the kind of reckless pandering that we've come to expect from ron desantis. you just have to hope that it doesn't cost people their lives unnecessarily because they listened to this demagogue. >> and donna, finally we have some new reporting from nbc news, the president will give a major speech in arizona this

month, key state on democracy, and we know what happened on the vote count there. it could happen a day after the next republican presidential debate. >> look. >> what do you want to hear him say. >> this is an important conversation. i think it's actually the president's sweet spot. it's what he led with in when he ran in 2020, it's what he closed the election cycle with in 2022, and obviously he has a lot of credibility with voters, and there may not be, you know, a ton of voters who care about democracy as their priority issue going into the election, but this election is going to be on the margins, and the president understands that, and he has the ability to communicate in a way that people understand and that they get at the importance of preserving and protecting our democracy. >> and he'll be out fund-raising tonight as they try to do better than they did last quarter on their fund-raising as well, approaching the deadline. donna edwards, charlie sykes,

thanks so very much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," follow on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. a routine pretrial hearing turns fiery in fulton county. an attorney for one of the interference defendants accusing one of the prosecutors of lying to the judge's face in court is that just a preview of what's to come? plus, president biden insisting that a government shutdown isn't just a potential side effect of the battle over his impeachment, he argues that's the whole point. the latest on the new political risks for biden and the republicans, not to mention the economic risk for the rest of us. and the actions by seattle police that one columnist says screams contempt for the public