government shutdown looming and also the impact of the auto workers strike, it'll be a busy few days in the west wing. white house reporter for bloomberg news, akayla gardner, thank you for joining us this morning. have a great weekend. we'll get into all the top headlines all day long on msnbc. thanks for getting up "way too early" with us on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. they don't even mention the presidential records act. this is all about the presidential records act. i'm allowed to have these documents. i'm allowed to take these documents, classified or not classified, and, frankly, when i have them, they become unclassified. people think tough go through a ritual. you don't. at least in my opinion, you don't. >> the question is simply, your lawyer signed a certification saying they'd turned over everything that was responsive. then, when the fbi raided mar-a-lago, they found documents that were responsive, that had not been produced, marked

classified. >> i don't know what the timing is. >> that's it. >> i just don't know the timing. all i know, i'm allowed to have the documents. >> once you have a subpoena, you have to turn them over. >> i know this. i don't even know that, because i have the right to have those documents. i don't really know that. >> all right. once again, donald trump seeming to confess on the air. how fun it must be to be his attorneys in all these cases against him. we'll have much more on that straight ahead. plus, we'll get expert legal analysis on the new federal charges for hunter biden. also ahead, house speaker kevin mccarthy dares the far right members of his party to try to take the gavel away from him. and breaking news, a historic strike is under way this morning. for the first time ever, the united autoworkers are taking on detroit's big three at the same time. we'll go through the union's demands and how the automake automakers are responding.

a lot to get to on this friday morning. good morning, everyone. it is friday, september 15th. along with joe, willie and me, we have former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki. the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. and msnbc contributor mike barnicle joins us this morning. >> willie geist, confession is good for the soul. i guess that's why donald trump keeps talking on tv. >> does it feel better? >> it's amazing. he sits down with megyn kelly, sat down with our kristen welker, the new moderator of "meet the press," and he continues to confess. we have a new trump classic among thousands, where he said, "i know that. i don't even know this," immediately contradicting himself when told, "when a subpoena is presented to you, you have to turn over the documents." also, he can keep citing the presidential records act and keep being wrong about that. that doesn't mean that you as an individual get to take the documents with you when you

leave the white house. not remotely what the act says. they go to the archives, and the documents belong to the government. i guess it plays well to his audience, the base, but for the 1,000th time, that's not at all how the presidential records act works. >> no, it's not, mike barnicle. yet, he continues trying to use that excuse and continues talking around in circles. at the end of every one of these interviews, you have prosecutors who are just, you know, looking down at the notebooks and going, "well, that was a productive interview for us." >> helpful. >> yeah. he's just basically confessing for the prosecutors. every time he gets in front of a camera. >> can you imagine being his lawyer or lawyers? i mean, every appearance is the tale of the tape. that's where it goes. it goes directly to a tape, that all i have to not prosecution is turn on the tape. endless interviews, with megyn kelly, everyone, kristen welker,

everyone, everyone who has ever interviewed him, he has said something almost indictable during the course of a regular interview. a nightmare. here's a candidate -- rather, here's someone, a suspect, someone under indictment, who will never, ever take the stand in a court of law because of this. >> yeah. and as his attorney, not only do you have to deal with all of that, you have to look him in the face and say, "good job, mr. president," or you'll get fired. let's start with the federal grand jury, though, the indictment of president biden's son, hunter, on three felony gun charges, setting the stage for a possible criminal trial during the 2024 campaign. two counts are tied to hunter biden allegedly completing a form indicating he was not using illegal drugs when he purchased a cult cobra revolver in october of 2018. the third count alleges he possessed a firearm while using

a narcotic. two of the counts carry maximum prison sentences of ten years, while the third has a maximum of five years. each count also carries a maximum fine of $250,000. the historic indictment against the son of a sitting president comes after a plea deal fell apart earlier this year. and after house republicans launched an impeachment inquiry seeking bank records and other documents from the president and his son. the case is being overseen by special counsel david weiss, who also headed the investigation. weiss is a trump appointee who was kept on as u.s. attorney for delaware because of the sensitive and unique nature of the investigation. attorney general merrick garland named weiss as special counsel in august, just as negotiation over the tax and gun charges collapsed. lead counsel for hunter biden,

abbe lowell issued a statement. in part, quote, we believe these charges are barred by the agreement the prosecutors made with mr. biden, the recent rulings by several federal courts that this statute is unconstitutional, and the facts that he did not violate the law, and we plan to demonstrate all of that in court. the white house referred requests for comment to the justice department and to hunter biden's legal team. willie? >> joining us now, former fbi general counsel, now an nbc news legal analyst, andrew weissmann. good morning. we have to draw some lines here because so much has been conflated by opponents of president biden. these three charges are specifically related to hunter biden buying a firearm. the charges are that he lied on the form, filling out the application for the gun,narcoti possessed a gun while he was using narcotics.

what is the significance of this case, if you see any, to the larger investigations around hunter biden that republicans say may be connected to joe biden, although there is no evidence presented of that yet? >> so there's no connection at all. i mean, this is an alleged crime related to the purchase of a single gun. there's nothing about burisma, ukraine. i do expect we'll see the tax charges that were initially sought to be brought in delaware, that we're going to see those as soon as today possibly. those, it'll be interesting to see what they say the source of the income was. there may be a connection, but it is important to note that, to date, there's simply no evidence that's come up with respect to

the current president having any role in terms of any sort of illegality regarding those tax charges. but it remains to be seen what is alleged by the special counsel here. >> andrew, it's jonathan. let's get your assessment of this charge, in terms of how common it is, that someone would be charged with this. then, secondly, you know, even if we're adding tax charges to it, as you suspect may happen, sketch out for us the likelihood of this going to trial, and, if so, when? >> sure. the way i look at this is when the former president was charged in the four separate indictments that exist, a legitimate question that people could and did ask was whether he was being treated comparably to other people. in other words, is there a precedent for other people being charged in like circumstances?

in the january 6th case, it was an easy call because scores and scores of people have been charged for doing less than the former president. the same thing in the mar-a-lago documents case. so you could look to how other people had been charged and say, "this is consonant and consistent with the rule of law." i do not think that is possible in the hunter biden case to say that. this really strikes me as an abuse of the enormous discretion that a prosecutor has in deciding, not just can you bring a charge -- because, here, there is probable cause that a grand jury found -- but should you be bringing the charges? here, the first two charges are completely duplicative. as you mentioned, it's just not very common to see this type of charge. in my 21 years as a prosecutor, i never saw this charge. >> so -- >> i think that's common here.

>> jen psaki, given what andrew just said, i think this question about the politics of it -- and you can take a question to him, as well -- but, first, just wanted to hear your thoughts politically. >> yeah. >> this is the indictment of the president's son. it's serious. i was gauging reaction on capitol hill, and you had major players in the democratic party, jamie raskin, others, eric swalwell, all of them respecting the law. there was no screeching and crying about the weaponization of the judicial system. there was, "this is sad. we have to follow the law. we have to see what happens. if someone does something wrong, they have to be brought to account. this isn't the president." clear facts. >> you're saying they acted like people who respect american democracy? >> correct. here is jamie raskin. >> they weren't, like, fasfasci, who, when their leaders were charged with something, they tried to tear down the jury

system, the fbi? >> facts. >> they weren't republicans playing fascists, like, we were going to tear down the fbi, the justice department, even tear down the system if they didn't like something. >> how can the republicans say everything they've been saying, which has been ridiculous every step of the way -- >> not just hypocrites, they're stupid. >> i gauged republican reaction and right-wing television, and they were acting -- well, the hypocrisy is boundless. here's jamie raskin, then we'll get to jen psaki on the other side. >> i don't think people should applaud the system when it works for hunter biden but then try to tear the system down when it works for donald trump. i mean, both of them have been indicted on various charges. the presumption of innocence operates for both of them. due process rights operate for both of them. you know, we shouldn't take delight in other people's misfortunes, but we have to have a rule of law. >> i mean, we have to have a rule of law, mika and joe.

it is such a relief to hear that from people, including when it is about, as you just said, somebody who is very close to the president. i mean, first and foremost, the politics of this are a little hard to predict. but, right now, you have the president's son, somebody he loves deeply, somebody who has very publicly struggled with drug addiction, now facing these charges which are serious. i'll let andrew do a contemplation of the legality, the process and a lot of that, which i know a lot of us have questions on. >> yeah. >> what is tricky to watch here, and what i think we'll all be watching is, what do republicans do with this on the hill as it relates to their impeachment process baloney efforts, right? we didn't see a lot of that yesterday. a lot of the tying of these charges to their impeachment efforts. if there are additional charges that we see from the department of justice that andrew just alluded to, i suspect they'll try to do that.

right now, on the politics of this, what we're looking at, you know, millions of americans have dealt with family members who have dealt with drug addiction, who have dealt with alcohol addiction, who have dealt with a range of addiction. my bet is, right now, this is a heartbroken president in the white house who is worried about his son. we're all watching to see kind of what happens with this. so, andrew, my question -- >> well -- go ahead, jen. >> we're trying to figure this out, andrew. what happens next here, right? there's a lot of talk, which is important for all of us to know, about maximum sentencing, but what happens now? could this really go through the course of next year? what are we really looking at after yesterday? >> so i think as you heard from abbe lowell, the new defense counsel, you're going to see two types of motions at least. one is that there was a pretrial diversion agreement that was signed by the government in connection with these gun charges, and the claim is going to be made that this is barred

because the department of justice, through the special counsel, agreed that these cases would be deferred. so they're going to seek to enforce that agreement, and we'll see how the judge rules on that. the second, which is quite ironic, and, jen, i'm sure it doesn't escape you, that republicans have obviously been touting the importance of the second amendment. a very lively issue that is going to go to the supreme court deals with the constitutionality of this statute. the republicans have generally taken a position that this statute and parts of it are unconstitutional because they infringe on the second amendment. so it's really unusual here. you have charges that are definitely going to be subjected to scrutiny as to whether they violate the constitution or not. so it's unusual for the department to be bringing these

charges at this moment while this is still untested, as to whether they'll, you know, withstand that scrutiny. i think that is the second thing. that, obviously, could take some time to get litigated. >> well, willie, there are so many questions layered upon questions. you talk about the politicalization. as we always say here, if hunter biden did something that he deserves to be charged with and is ultimately convicted, it is very sad for him or for anybody, but he'll go to jail. that's what the law is. in this case, though, there are so many stretches. first, abbe lowell brings it up, they made a deal with him and then broke the deal. are they going to be barred from doing that? then you have, as andrew said, you have the fifth circuit and other circuits going, we're not actually sure that this law he was charged in is even constitutional. then you have the fact that in 2021, only 5%, only 5% of the

charges are these type of charges related to guns. i haven't found one that's related to a gun charge if you actually didn't use that gun in commission with another crime. >> right. >> which he did not do. then you look at the uniquely of the misdemeanor tax charges, as well, that may be coming down the pike. it just seems, again, that if his last name were smith, you know what, he would have pled out a long time ago and these charges wouldn't have been brought. >> and it is a really interesting point you make and andrew just made. imagine this were, say, don jr., and he were brought up on these charges. he'd be a second amendment hero, right? this law shouldn't even exist. they'd point to the pending litigation that you're talking about here. but it is hunter biden, and they believe, and the reaction from republicans has been, this is

just the first step. this is just the gun charge on hunter biden. now, let's get to the other stuff. that's house republicans talking about impeachment and, again, without evidence yet, tying hunter biden's business dealings to the president of the united states. mike barnicle, jen psaki pointed to it a second ago, but just the way this may be impacting the president of the united states. again, this is his son who has had addiction problems, now bringing trouble to him in his bid to win re-election, in his bid to keep donald trump out of the white house again, which a lot of the country views as an urgent matter. how do you think all of this on a personal level is impacting president biden? >> well, willie, the president is now part of a long line of parents across this country who have a family member, member of a family, within their family, who is suffering from addiction. there are thousands of them from coast to coast. too many people have been touched by addiction, their

children. he carries that every single day. he also goes to work every single day as president of the united states, which is a 24/7 job. the weight of the presidency is enormous. none of us can really factor into what it must be like to carry the responsibilities of being president of the united states. but hovering above that job each and every day for joe biden and jill biden is the concern and the constant worry about hunter biden. trying to figure out, you know, will this set him off? will this trouble him even more deeply? will this get him back onto something we don't want him doing? so they worry about that all the time, and that affects him, obviously. we're going to see what happens ongoing. hunter seems to be pretty strong according to people who know him, still standing up strong, going through what he's going through. we'll find out, but, in the meantime, we have these charges that were brought yesterday. andrew, i want to ask you, you

mentioned the diversion agreement that apparently was signed prior to the break-up of the deal earlier this summer. does that mean it is a contract that's null and void automatically? does it have any effect right now? before you answer, i want to tell you, yesterday, i was texting with a former federal prosecutor who now sits on the bench, and i asked him, if an ordinary citizen were charged with lying on a gun application and he or she was an addict, what would happen to that ordinary citizen? here was his response as he texted back to me. he said, i've lost it. basically, he said, "not much. he'd lose the gun. he would lose his gun license other than that, unless other factors were involved, nothing would happen, unless he was very unlucky or his name was hunter biden." that was his response.

what's your response? >> i completely agree. i've never actually seen this charge brought in 21 years. you know, i saw lots and lots of cases in new york and in d.c. i do think that this is a situation where the last name of the person is making a difference, and that's not how the rule of law is supposed to work. with respect to your first question, when you have an agreement with the government, it is enforceable. you can bring a motion, which i am confident that abbe lowell will bring, for what's called specific performance. so, if the government agrees to do something, they can't renege and it can be enforced. the issue will be weather the agreement was really final. now, at the hearing that was held last month, both sides said this was signed. both said it was independent of any other part of the deal, in terms of, it had nothing to do

with the tax charges. both sides said that to the court. so it is going to be very hard for the government to try and wiggle out of that, given their representations to a federal judge. nor should the government be trying to wiggle out of something if they agreed to something. if you regret it later, that's not what you do when you're representing the government. you have to stand by your word. >> andrew, stand by. we've got a lot more to talk to you about. including former president trump confessing on tape again. >> confessional hour. the confessional hour of power. >> does he know he is doing it? >> he just -- you know -- >> just -- >> there's a reason why none of these lawyers can let him get up on the stand. >> can you imagine? also still ahead on "morning joe," the united auto worker union officially on strike this morning after failing to reach new contract deals with detroit's big three automakers. we'll take a look at where negotiations stand this morning. and we'll talk to michigan senator gary peters about the

possible nationwide impact of the strike. plus, kevin mccarthy dares his republican critics in the house to carry out their threat of holding a vote to remove him as speaker. what he had to say to his gop colleagues behind closed doors. and ahead of a potential government shutdown, president biden tries to sell bidenomics by launching a new attack on republicans and donald trump's economic policies. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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a live look at the capitol on this beautiful friday morning. >> beautiful friday. made it to friday. >> we made it to friday, yup. more now from that interview, where donald trump seemed to confess to some of the federal charges against him. >> it happens. when he talks, it happens, all the time. >> crimes. >> yes. >> host megyn kelly pressed trump on his handling of classified materials and the audio recording of him showing a classified document to people at his golf club in new jersey. >> okay. but let's get to my question. why would you be holding up a newspaper saying, this is still secret? i could declassify it with i were president. >> i'd have to look at it. >> that's what you told bret baier. >> i also told bret baier, as i remember, i don't know, it was a long-time interview -- >> what were you waving around in the meeting? >> it wasn't a classified document. >> what were you waving around in the meeting? it certainly sounds like it was an --

>> that's already been, i think, very substantiated, and there's no problem with it. >> it hasn't been substantiated. jack smith says it was -- >> megyn, let me tell you -- >> you told bret baier. >> here we go again. i'm covered by the presidential records act. i'm allowed to do what i want to do. i'm allowed to have documents. the presidential records act is civil, not criminal. >> that's true. >> in any way, it's civil, and i'm covered by it 100%. >> can i ask what you mean by that? >> this shouldn't even be a case. when they say i fought them and i obstructed. this is the same thing. they have a fake crime. there is no crime. in fact, it's civil. it's not criminal. >> that's true. >> so -- >> that's why they say espionage act to make it criminal. i don't want to -- >> like it is something -- >> we'll be here all day. >> like the spanish armada is going to raid it. look, the espionage act of 1917 has no impact on this. i am covered 100%. >> i got it. there is a dispute about that, about whether -- >> you dispute.

>> no, no, just so my aud yoens audience knows. >> there's no dispute i'm covered under the presidential records act. >> you're covered but it is not clear it allowed you to take all the documents. >> it says what it says, you're allowed. >> do you believe every caa document that came to you as president was yours to keep? >> i'm not answering that. >> well, that's the dispute. >> i think it is clear in the document. >> nothing, nothing about it is clear, andrew weissmann. that was the biggest nonsense, biggest b.s. i mean, him saying that he could take whatever he wanted to take because the presidential records act, it doesn't fall under the presidential records act. the guy steals nuclear secrets. he steals secret plans. again, i'm not exactly sure why this wasn't pushed a little bit more there, but he told susi wiles su wiles, "what i'm holding is a

classified document. if i were president, i could declassify it, but since i'm not president, i can't declassify it." he admitted everything right there on tape. clear as day. so i'm not exactly sure who he was lying to there and who is stupid enough to believe any of what he just said. because, again, you look at the facts of this case. it's there in black and white. trump is -- these entire cases are built by donald trump and people donald trump hired. that's it. >> the key there is it's on tape. the government is in an incredible position because they have the defendant on tape confessing to the crime. i also think, just to willie's point, introducing this, you

have the former leader of the free world who says he doesn't know if, when you get a subpoena, you have to produce documents. this case isn't about the facts. >> ludicrous. >> it is spinning to his base to try this case in the court of public opinion. there just isn't a dispute here if you are passionate about the facts. i think the biggest challenge for the government is getting this particular case to trial. that i not being helped out by the florida judge who has been very slow in making rulings and deciding things. that will be the challenge. i suspect they're putting all their effort on the january 6th d.c. case because the florida case is something that, you know, it remains to be seen just exactly when that will go to trial.

the case is overwhelming. >> jen, to bore people even further, the national archives put out a detailed statement in the face of this. what you heard from president trump, former president trump, his lawyers, about the presidential records act, and they politely said, none of what you're hearing from trump and his team about our laws, our rules is true. one attorney for donald trump tried to then spin it and say, well, there's usually a two-year grace period, where the former president can take these records with him, he and his staff can sort through them and decide whether are -- no. the national archives said, no, that's not at all how this works. so the people who need to hear this may not hear it, but if you're interested in the truth, you can go to the website of the national archives. the statement is from june 9th. read a detailed explanation of what the presidential records act says and does not say. >> that's true. and you can certainly become an expert on the presidential records act, should you choose.

now, i think it is also important to know here, the indictment that jack smith wrote, the speaking indictment his team wrote, had a detailed list of the documents they are talking about here. now, it doesn't have all the specifics, but what you can tell from their detailed list is that these are documents that have such a high level of classification, they have references like, five eyes. meaning it is documents that we got through the cooperation with some of our key partners. it has the highest level of clearance in the government. what we're talking about here, put the presidential records act, become an expert if you want, aside for a moment, is, the former president of the united states taking nuclear secrets, things that would put us at risk, those on the front lines protecting the united states every day, the methods through which they do that at risk. he said also in the interview, which was the thing that stuck out to me, "i didn't know the

timing." now, we all know the timing. we all know the timing. they asked for the documents. he declined to provide them, and he held on to these highly sensitive documents and shared them and showed them to who knows who. outside of the presidential records act, that's the piece that should be concerning. >> well, and not only did he know timing, he had his lawyers sign documents saying, "we have returned everything back to the fbi and the doj, to the federal government," and lied. >> yup. >> lied to the government about returning all the documents. >> yes. >> when he knew he had not returned all the documents. then, he went to his i.t. people and asked if they would destroy the tapes. >> right. >> yes. >> now, they may not have destroyed them, but he asked for that which would be, i don't know, what's the word, obstruction? >> yeah. >> that's the issue. andrew, earlier this week, the new york judge overseeing the

hush money case against donald trump, remember that one, signalled he would be open to delaying the start of the trial . while a development like that is usually a setback for prosecutors, andrew, you say it is a win for district attorney alvin bragg. you write about it in a new piece for msnbc, entitled, "alvin bragg keeps winning and nobody is talking about it." tell us why this would be a win. >> first, the fact the manhattan case may get moved was something that was anticipated. the d.c. january 6th case, by all accounts, is the case that is the most significant. it is also one with a real timeline. that's the case that could go away if trump or an ally or two win the presidency. that's a federal case.

the president could say, "stop, don't go forward." that case needs to be tried, and it is useful for the electorate, republicans and democrats, to have a jury verdict on that. knowing that, both judge mer merchan, the new york judge, and alvin bragg insisted that, though theirs was the first case, if justice demands another case go forward first, they'd not stand in the way. judge merchan had a conversation with tanya chutkan, the d.c. judge. judge chutkan put that on the record, that that's what she did. alvin bragg made it known that he would not be opposing that. i think from d.a. bragg's point of view, that was really a sign of statesmanship. he could have been much more parochial and, you know, he is an elected official. he could have said, no, i

brought my case first. i want to go first. i think it is really commendable that he really looked at the big picture. i don't think it's a sign at all his case is weak. i don't think he would have brought the case if he brought it was weak. he could not have been banking on this development, and so i think that's why it is a win for, frankly, the entire electorate, to have the d.c. case go before the republican convention, before the general election, so there will be a jury verdict whichever way it goes. >> andrew weissmann, thank you for joining us on this friday morning. coming up, much more ahead. the philadelphia eagles kicked off week two of the nfl regular season with a win over the minnesota vikings. we'll have the highlights from thursday night football. plus, nbc's matthew berry will join us with some insight for your fantasy lineup. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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third and four. here comes pressure. there goes the ball, wide open! it is smith again. all the way for the touchdown. >> roll tide. eagles quarterback jalen hurts with a 63 yard bomb to wideout devonta smith in the third quarter of last night's matchup against the vikings. that score gave the defending nfc champions a 20 point lead. minnesota did close the gap but could not recover from three costly fumbles. the eagles get the win on a thursday night game. 34-28, move to 2-0. joe, you know, watching jalen hurts, he finished second last year in the mvp voting, only to

patrick mahomes, who is probably the best player in the nfc last year. people weren't sure about him when he came to the nfl. he bounced from alabama to oklahoma. he could run. could he throw in a pro-style offense? well, last night, he threw that dart to davante adams, rushed for two touchdowns himself, signed that big contract over the last few months. the doubters are gone now. jalen hurts is an mvp worthy player in the nfl. >> i mean, what an extraordinary story, jalen hurts. this is a guy who certainly was a hero at the university of alabama, but what was eluding him for his junior year, he was benched behind tua. he was still a team player, still kept his head up. a guy of great character. but, you know, willie, you look on clips. look at clips from, you know, some of the best in the business, people we love to listen to, colin cowherd.

you listen to, you know, shannon sharp, others who said, jalen hurts was going to be a bust in the nfl. there was no way the eagles should have picked him as high as they did. he was going to be a failure. the fact that jalen hurts has proven everybody wrong, and he's one of the great quarterbacks in the nfl right now. also, he's handled it with grace. he doesn't -- every day, he doesn't get in front of a, you know -- he doesn't do a deonsand dion sanders. i'm pulling for sanders, but after the first win, i wanted to say, keep your head down, buddy. you have 11 games every year. don't scream and yell how great you are. people need to belief. jalen is keeping his head down and talking on the field. that's the quarterback, that's the leader you want. what a great story. >> coach prime doesn't have "keep your head down" in his

arsenal. it's not what he does. jalen hurts, i'm just happy for him. he was a great quarterback at alabama. he got hurt. tua took over. he went to oklahoma, had s success, too. eagles 2-0. last night's game also had plenty of fantasy football implications. joining us now, "new york times" best selling author, matthew beery, the host of "fantasy football happy hour," weekdays at noon eastern on peacock. great to have you on the show. i had a bleak week one. hoping to recover in week two. let's talk about the big story in the nfl last week, and that is aaron rodgers. four plays into his career, the savior of the new york jets, their long-suffering jets fans who haven't been to or won a super bowl since joe namath was in town. down with the achilles injury, out for the season. on offense, back with zach wilson, where they were before

they got rodgers. they have an incredible defense, as they proved. what are the prospects for the jets? >> any time you lose a future hall of famer like aaron rodgers, that's not good. but i don't think the season is over for them. now, the fact that they won their opening game against the bills, i think that's helpful. and they have, to your point, willie, they have a great defense. they can run the ball well. they should do what the 49ers did last year when they faced a similar situation. they lost their starting quarterback. they had super bowl aspirations. you know, what you need to do with zach wilson is brock purdy this. basically, brock, you don't need to win the game for us. just don't lose it for us. we're going to run the ball well, play great defense, be conservative. the next five games are absolutely brutal. but if they can get out of this, let's say, go 2-3 the next five, because they won against the bills, go 3-3, they're right in the thick of this. i don't think the season is over. is it great? no, it isn't. but if i'm jets fans, i will say, i thought zach wilson

looked okay. you know, coming in cold, and he had the one really good drive and, ultimately, led the jets to a win on monday night. >> matthew, let's get your sense of the two teams who met in last year's super bowl. we showed you the eagles, 2-0. jalen hurts remains an mvp candidate as well as, of course, a fantasy monster. chiefs lost their first one. i think there's questions about patrick mahomes and the quality of the weapos around him. what do you think there as you watch? can mahomes do it again with a banged up travis kelce and not much else? >> yeah, i guess i'm not as worried about that. i think the track record of andy reid and patrick mahomes speaks for itself. that was a flukey game thursday night. as you mentioned, there was no travis kelce. that opens up, you know -- there were bad misdrops. those are professional receivers, and i think they'll play better. lions played great. kelce is expected to be back this week. until we see the offense with

kelce, we shouldn't judge. they won the past couple super bowls. i'm not panicking on the chiefs yet. >> let's check your panic meter on the team the chiefs beat in the championship game last year. the bengals, a sexy super bowl pick coming into the season, they look terrible. joe burrow signed that massive contract earlier in the week. couldn't get anything done against the cleveland browns. burrow and ja'marr chase, huge fantasy guys. what's up with them? >> it was a bad game, obviously. really bad weather. give cleveland credit. they played really good defense. also remember, joe burrow good injured early in the preseason. he had no preseason. that was basically a preseason game for joe burrow. i'm not worried at all about the bengals. i'll give you a couple quick stats here. last year at this time, after week one, the third best quarterback in fantasy football last year was carson wentz. he currently doesn't have a job. two top ten running backs after week one last year were dalton

hilliard and james robinson. you know, who are deep, deep backups on their current nfl teams. i just -- you know, the fact of the matter is, it's one week, right? think about a couple years ago, i don't know if you remember this, but a couple years ago, the packers went down to new orleans. the saints just absolutely crushed the packers. like, just like it was some crazy score, like 34-3, something like that, off the top of my head. rodgers had an awful game. he was like, it was one bad game. one bad day at the office. we were fine. 2021. rodgers won the mvp that year. like, it's one week, you know? in the words of bill belichick, we're on to cincinnati. i think for the chiefs and the bengals, i'm not concerned at all. there's a long track record of success from those guys. >> so, matthew, you were talking about quarterbacks. let me tell you about my fantasy draft, okay? i'm doing my fantasy draft. >> okay. >> i'm watching a baseball game

on my ipad during the draft. so i screw it up. >> oh, mike. >> i end up with a quarterback named russell wilson. he had a pretty good day last sunday. i think he threw for two. that was okay. but i'm trying to figure out, should i move him? should i drop him? what should i do? i don't like him. >> yeah, i mean, obviously, it depends on what else is available in your league? are there quarterbacks on the waiver wire? is it a one quarterback league? i'm not crazy about russell wilson. the concern is in fantasy football, to have success as a fantasy football quarterback, you either need a quarterback that can give you points with his legs and his arms, like we saw from jalen hurts last night, as you were talking about a couple minutes ago, or you need to have 35 to 40 passing touchdown upside, the way a joe burrow or justin herbert does. the fact of the matter is, russell doesn't have that passing upside at this stage of his career, and he doesn't run anymore. last year -- sorry, last week, one rush attempt in week number one. not crazy about him this week.

i think sean payton is an aggressive coach and the broncos are getting jerry jeudy back, so it'll help the offense. the talented wide receiver jerry jeudy. yes, in an ideal world, i'd upgrade your quarterback if you can. you can email me, and i'll look at your waiver wire, see who is out there. >> all right. >> i've got a couple of my sons' fantasy teams here. i'll check and see what you think of this. let's see. we'll start with joey scarborough here. he's got geno smith at quarterback. >> he's good. >> what do you think of that? >> i like geno. i like geno. he was a top ten fantasy quarterback last year. i think a lot of people were expecting him to be a bit of a fluke. i don't think he is. think about what seattle did this year, right? seattle didn't draft a quarterback, even though it was a high draft pick. they signed geno to a high money

pick. they added to the backfield, ken walker. they have metcalf and tyler lockett, as well. geno, unlike russell wilson, will get you 30 rushing yards or something like that a game. he is fine as a fantasy quarterback. >> that was jack, my 15-year-old. >> oh. >> joey, actually, had a rough week. he had joe burrow as his quarterback. do you hold joe burrow, right? >> i love joe burrow. joe burrow is a top six fantasy quarterback. i love joe more than geno, to be candid. it was one week, a bad week. he had no preseason, really bad weather in the game. give credit to the cleveland browns defense, which is one of the better defenses in the nfl. yeah, tough day at the office for joe burrow, but this guy has been one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl for a long time. there is a reason why he is the highest paid player in the nfl. he signed the big contract. joe burrow is going to be just

fine, i assure you and your son. >> by the way, i want to underline something. you talked about the browns defense. the browns defense is exciting. i mean, they are good. >> yeah. >> they make the browns competitive, whoever they play this year, which is really great for the people of cleveland. they need to at least get to a super bowl, if not finally win one. also, i want to circle back to the jets. i'll tell you, the day after, you know, everybody was melting down, everybody was freaking out. i brought up brock purdy, what he did last year. you know, my view of a super bowl team, can't miss super bowl team, i go back to phil simms and the giants. pretty good passer, a really good defense, a really good running attack, solid, you know, solid special teams play. i mean, you look at this jets team, they're built to go into the playoffs. they need a quarterback that, you know, he doesn't have to be joe namath. he can be, you know, he can be

phil simms. you know, phil simms was great, but he doesn't have to be the flashiest guy in the world. just put in a good middling performance, and the rest of the team can take you pretty far. >> yeah. i mean, listen, you lose aaron rodgers, and there's a reason there was so much excitement about aaron rodgers. the fact is, like, it's a downgrade. you know, that is no insult to zach wilson. there is a reason why the jets paid all the money and the draft picks to go and get aaron rodgers. having said that, given the situation that you're in, football is not a one-person sport. it is a team sport, to your point, joe. so, again, there is a reason why zach wilson was drafted second overall the year he came out. there is talent there. i think it's somewhat mental. i think having the offseason where there's no pressure on him, and aaron rodgers was there to take the spotlight, i think helps this kid. the fact is, now, he has a chance to be the savior, has a chance to rewrite his story. he doesn't need to win games for

the jets. he just needs to not lose them. the jets are smart. it is a good coaching staff there, they know that. again, you'll see a conservative offense. you'll see them run the ball a lot. they'll play good defense. they have an elite wide receiver in garrett wilson. you know, it's going to be short passes. it is going to be, you know, quick rollouts, dump offs to the running backs, simple stuff for zach wilson, at least initially. again, it's not ideal. it is not awesome. the odds of the jets making the super bowl certainly went down when aaron rodgers went down, but i don't think the season is over by any stretch of the means. >> real quick, matthew, before we go, we have a big new york audience. a lot of jets and giants fans, including myself. tell me last week's 40-0 pasting at home to the cowboys was a fluke. >> yeah. i mean, look, give credit, again, to the -- give credit to the dallas cowboys defense. >> they were great. >> they are really, really special. again, really bad weather in new

york. just one of those bad days at the office. but here's what i would say about the giants, who obviously overachieved a little last year. but i'm a brian daboll believer, a daniel jones believer. if the giants lay an egg this week against the cardinals, then everyone is allowed to panic. but until that time, i wouldn't. again, we've seen this before. teams have come out, they've laid an egg, especially in week one, and everyone is going to be, oh, the sky is falling, and then it is fine. again, it's fine. it's week one. we're on to cincinnati, or in the case of the giants, we're on to arizona. >> it was a weird week one in a lot of ways. let's hope for giants fans it was a fluke. bengals fans maybe, too. it is a long season. the "fantasy football happy hour" airs weekdays at noon eastern. "pregame with matthew berry" airs every nfl sunday at 11:00 a.m. both on peacock. nbc sports fantasy football analyst matthew berry, so great

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i told my conference, i know tomorrow is a jewish holiday. we'll be out of session. when we come back, we're not going to leave. we're going to get this done. nobody wins in a government shutdown. threats don't matter. sometimes people do those things because of personal things, and that's all fine. i focus, just like anything

else, if you watched, most people get to speak on the first round, took me 15. i'm a little irish, okay? i don't walk away from a battle. >> all right. okay. house speaker kevin mccarthy addressing the threats, and he got some threats, from the far right to take away his speakership. meanwhile, the white house is gearing up for the impeachment inquiry. we'll go through their strategy. also ahead, we'll be joined by senator gary peters of michigan for more on the historic strike from the united autoworkers union. willie, some people were questioning the manhood of kevin mccarthy. who would do that? >> oh, no. >> it's not our -- >> we're above that. >> no. that's not our game. we're not like that. some people were. some people were. >> some say. >> some people were. kevin mccarthy apparently struck back yesterday in the caucus

meeting, telling them to f-a and f-o, like, go ahead, try it. you want to try it? go ahead and try it. you know, they're not going to. if they do, they're not going to get somebody to get 218 votes. all the idle threats just make the people making the threats look like little gadflies, look weak. >> yeah, you almost get the sense kevin mccarthy had to do this and had to let it be known publicly to the press that he did this. because he was basically treated like a, i don't know what to call him. he was treated like a lap dog by matt gaetz and others. >> door mat. >> thank you. door mat, saying, you are out of compliance, speaking to the speaker of the house, saying, you are out of compliance, and you'll do what we say. i think he had to show some strength, perhaps, and some power, and reportedly, out of the republican caucus meeting, said, "you want to try to get

rid of me? go ahead. guess what? the next person you put in here will do the same thing i'm doing." again, this goes back to the deal he struck in january to become speaker of the house finally on the 15th vote, which is, i'll give ya everything you want. just give me the job i've always dreamed of. here he is. now, he's got it. >> yeah. all right. jonathan lemire, mike barnicle still with us. joining the conversation, we have chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. good to have you. >> great to have you, peter. we're following new developments of the federal grand jury on president biden's son, hunter, setting the stage for a possible criminal trial during the 2024 campaign. >> two counts are tied to hunter biden allegedly completing a form indicating he was not using illegal drugs when he purchased a revolving in 2018. the third count alleges he processed a firearm while using

a narcotic. the indictment comes after a plea deal fell apart earlier this year and after house republicans launched an impeachment inquiry speaking bank records and other documents from the president and his son. the case is being overseen by special counsel david weiss, who also headed the investigation. weiss is a trump appointee who has kept on as u.s. attorney for delaware because of the sensitive and unique nature of the investigation. attorney general merrick garland named weiss as special counsel in august just as negotiations over the tax and gun charges collapsed. the white house referred requests for comment to the justice department, and hunter biden's legal team. i think it is fair to point out, there were no screeching sounds from the white house. >> yeah. >> or the democratic party, from leaders in congress on capitol hill, of the weaponization of the justice department or

anything else, witch hunt. i haven't found it. >> no. >> i don't know -- >> it's not out there. >> i guess it only happens -- >> it's not out there because it appears it's only trump republicans who disrespect the rule of law, who hate the fbi and hate the department of justice and want to tear it to the ground, even criticized the jury system. if anything ever happens that's bad for donald trump -- i mean, their definition of what is constitutional and not constitutional is what's good for -- >> at their whim. >> is what is good for donald trump and what is bad. here, again, if you broke the law, he broke the law. let the chips fall where they may. you want to talk, though, about an unusual focus here, peter baker. the fact is, an illegal gun possession charge in 2021, only 5% of the charges had anything to do with drugs. they actually brought that charge related to drugs. i haven't been able to find one

where they brought the charges, the feds brought the charges if the gun wasn't used in a crime. yet, here we are. i think most people will admit these charges have been brought because his last name is biden. >> yeah, i think there are certainly experts who say he is suffering from a, you know, tougher case against him in some ways than the other way around. of course, they had a plea deal in which he would have gotten out of the gun charges. that would have been a more normal disposition of this, a pretrial diversion agreement in which he wouldn't actually be charged with this if, you know, he achieved certain goals in the next year or so. that fell apart. that plea agreement now looks even more, you know, like a missed opportunity for the bidens, obviously. hunter biden and his team objected to the prosecutors saying that this did not give him immunity on any other possible charges related to his business dealings, and the deal fell apart. boy, that would have been a break for the white house had it gone through a couple months

ago. now, they're ruing the fact it didn't. now, you're looking at trial and a distraction and an attempt by the republicans to kind of muddy the waters and equate this crime and this president's son with all the things that president trump has been charged with. >> yeah. peter, that can't be said enough, that that's the plan here. what aboutism. look, there's a problem with the bidens, just like trump. they're all the same. let's movemoven on. there is a political fallout for this white house and a personal one. well documented about president biden, how he feels about his son, hunter. we hear the voicemails, know he checks in on him on a near daily basis. the people in the white house you've been speaking to, how do they see this development shaping how the president is feeling and also the campaign ahead? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. it is obviously very personal for the president. he has tried to keep quiet publicly about it. you do hear people around him talk about the impact on him. remember, of course, these charges all stem from a single

incident when hunter biden purchased a gun while he was struggling with a crack cocaine addiction. you know, his girlfriend at the time, doesn't seem quite the right word, but he was dating at the time, hallie biden, his dead brother's widow, found the gun, afraid he was going to use it to hurt himself. threw it away in a dumpster. he'd only had it in his possession for 11 days. it is a tough situation, right? obviously, you're a president of the united states, and all this is happening. your family, it happens in a lot of families, but it happens in the spotlight of the media and political world where everything is dissected. obviously, it is of great pain to this president, and he hasn't found a way to control the situation, either politically or personally. >> all right. the biden white house is pursuing a strategy used by the

trump administration to tackle the ongoing impeachment inquiry. pet peter, you have new reporting from "the new york times," that biden's team is meeting the inquiry by attempting to convince the public it is nothing more than politics. the goal is to discredit the republican effort in the eyes of independent voters and wayward democrats before anything takes hold. >> how are they going to do that? what's the focus going to be? are they going to be getting the president out and talking or others? are they going to be doing 30-second ads? how do they get that message out? >> i don't think you'll see the president talk about it very much. he did mention at a campaign fundraising this week, sort of mocked the idea they were going to impeach him. what you're going to see the people around him focus on, they want to create a contrast where the president is seen focusing on issues of importance to everyday voters, not this sort of thing, leaving it to his partisans to fight back against the republicans. they have a private, you know, non-governmental group that will

go after particular republicans, especially those who are in the 18 districts that president biden won in 2020. they'll talk about how the potential charges have nothing behind them. there is no evidence at this point the president used his power of his office to benefit his son in any way, in terms of his business dealings. i mean, some of the conduct that's been, you know, turned up about hunter biden in terms of trading on his family name is unseemly. even democrats feel uncomfortable about it. nothing about the president himself has been shown to be illegal or possibly even much less impeachment. they'll make that case. that i trying to work the refs by going after the media and saying you should be exposing the republicans for what they are. i think you'll see, you know, polling and other, you know, tools being made to make the case to moderate republicans especially, not in their interest to go for impeachment. if it is, to make them pay the price at the ballot box next year. >> peter, did you get any sense

from your sources in the west wing that there is going to be a focus from the white house on the collapse of governance in this country? led by speaker mccarthy, who when you see him on tv, we've seen him this morning, just this morning multiple times, he looks as if he is maybe one session away from needing a rescue hostage team coming in and taking care of his position. but do you get any sense from the white house political staff that this might be an avenue for them to approach, the complete collapse of governance in terms of how it affects ordinary people in this country? >> yeah, i mean, you saw a little of that yesterday in a speech the president gave in maryland. he compared bidenomics, which is, of course, the term he is using now to describe his economic program, with maganomics, a phrase he is using to describe the republican budget plans. he was sort of mocking them for wanting to, you know, close the government down over budget cuts

and tax cuts and things like that. i don't think he framed it quite the way you did yet. it is certainly possible, they're talking about giving a speech about the health of democracy or the threats to democracy now, potentially at the mccain institute, you know, founded in the name of his good friend john mccain, the republican, senator who died five years ago. you're right, the contrast they want to present is one of mature leadership. yes, people are concerned about his age, but this is a steady president in their view, versus a house republican caucus that seems to be veering from, you know, this to that. they didn't seem prepared this week, even when speaker mccarthy did launch this impeachment inquiry. they didn't have a follow-up plan for what they'd do in the immediate 24 hours afterwards. the white house executed a plan they'd put in place a long time ago. they're hoping the contrast stands out to voters certainly. meanwhile, over the last couple weeks, president biden has been working with both sides of this, what is now a strike of

nearly 13,000 members of the united auto workers. as of seven hours ago, they are on strike, walking out of three plants in missouri, ohio and michigan. general motors, ford, stellantis failed to reach a deal with the union on a new collective bargaining agreement before the contract expired at midnight. >> tonight, for the first time in our history, we will strike all three of the big three at once. we are using a new strategy, the standup strike. we will call on select facilities, locals or units, to stand up and go on strike. this strategy will keep the companies guessing. it will give our national negotiators maximum leverage and flexibility in bargaining. if we need to go all out, we will. everything is on the table. >> the union is demanding a 40% pay raise over the next four years, noting the compensation

packages for the big three's chief executives have increased about that much amid near record earnings. the automakers are condemning the strike. overnight, gm released a statement stating, before the walkout began, it offered, quote, historic wage increases and an unprecedented economic package. ford says the union's latest counterproposal shows little movement from its initial demands. adding, their request would hurt the companies and give a boost to non-union rivals, like tesla and toyota. joining us now, democratic senator gary peters of michigan. senator, good morning. you've been in the middle of this and previous strikes. you come from a union family. i know you understand both sides of this conversation. for people who haven't been following along, what really is at issue here, and how far away are the two sides? >> well, there's a great deal at issue here, and that's why this negotiation is just so important. i think it's important for the future and what the uaw is

asking for is their workers are treated fairly, with fair wages and benefits, that they share in the profitability of these companies that are incredibly profitable. just beginning so far this year, collectively over $20 billion in profits. we have to remember, it was uaw workers that sacrificed a great deal back in 2008 and '09 when these companies were in serious trouble. they reached out and said, we are part of the solution. we will take sacrifices. we will have a two-wage structure, for example. now that times are good and profits are up, the executives of the company are reaping huge increases in their compensation, the workers are saying, we should also be able to share in these good times because we were there and sacrificed when times were rough. it's important for them to stand up. i'm looking forward to being on a picket line with them later

this morning, continue to stand up with these workers who believe that they need to have fair treatment. >> senator, the argument from the car companies is that you're only helping the non-union companies that make cars in the south, for example, toyota, tesla, others. if this goes on for an extended period of time, what's the potential impact to workers, to car companies, and, really, to the economy? >> well, you know, i want to take the argument about non-union plants. this is why people join unions. this is why unions are important, why they created the middle class. this is not a race to the bottom. they'll have workers that are treated fairly. recent polling, unions are at their highest approval rating since the 1960s. that's because the american people are realizing that they better stand together collectively because the system right now does not work for most middle class americans. that's what the union movement is about. it's what it was from the very

beginning. it's going to continue to do that going forward. that's why success is just so important, not just for the uaw. we find that when the uaw is successful, when auto workers get the kinds of raises and benefits that they deserve, that tends to percolate through the entire economy, which is why unions right now enjoy wide popularity. in fact, the highest since the 1960s, as i mentioned. >> senator, good morning. jonathan lemire. president biden also shares your enthusiasm for unions. he is very keen to associate himself with the labor movement. we should note, though, uaw has not offered their endorsement yet of the president's re-election campaign, though many other unions have. there's going to be an economic toll if this strike continues. there's been some chatter already, the white house needs to get involved. what do you think? should president biden step in here? >> well, right now, this is about collective bargaining. this is what we fight for, so make sure that workers have the chance to collectively bargain. that's what they're doing with

the auto companies. that process has to go forward. you know, when you talk about the economic toll, there will be some potentially economic toll, but it is going to be minor in comparison to the enhanced wages that thousands of workers are able to get to put back into the economy. we know the american economy is strongest when the middle class is strong. this is what this battle is about. a strong middle class means a strong economy. it means a strong democracy. there is a lot at stake here. that's why it's important for the uaw to be successful. >> all right. >> senator gary peters of michigan, thank you for talking with us. let me ask you quickly, what do you think of the house republicans impeaching joe biden? >> it's unfortunate. they should be focusing on actually funding the government. we are now heading to an impending shutdown. >> right. >> you know, we've worked in the senate to pass our appropriations bill, to show

that government works and we deliver for the american people. unfortunately, house republicans are just engaged in a political stunt that doesn't help anybody in this country. >> yeah. >> senator gary peters of michigan, thank you very much. >> thank you. so, mike, i was talking to a couple people out in l.a. yesterday, talking about strikes here. we're talking about the writers strike and the actors strike and the fact that, right now, we're starting to see shows like bill maher's show and others start to break. people i was talking to, you know, were pretty supportive of the -- of what the writers are doing and what the actors are doing. but pointed out that the guilds, they're not unions. this is going to keep going on forever until they get everybody in the room. all parties in the room, lock

the door, and say, nobody leaves until you mediate a solution that nobody is going to like. but that's what mediation is about. i've never seen people leave a meeting with lawyers where either side is happy, but they just kind of keep going on and on. you know, at some point, both sides are cutting off their nose despite their faces. >> it's already gone on too long. there is an absence of, if you talk to people, as you did yesterday, if you talk to people, they'll tell you what is missing here and used to be there in situations like this, is one single powerful figure in hollywood or los angeles, to come in and say, both sides, get together. that's absent. they don't have the one commanding figure. the other aspect going on daily now is the focus is on stars, you know, movie stars who are

not doing anything. they're not even participating in the rollout of movies that have been made and released during the past summer. when you have these stars, everybody talks about the stars. they miss the movies and the tv series, "blue bloods" isn't new until january, stuff like that. but the people who work every day in los angeles in the business, behind the scenes, the makeup people, the photographers, the camera people, some of them are going to lose their homes. they're already lost their living for a considerable period of time, and it looks like they're going to continue losing their living. >> right. well, that's one of the things, willie, that bill maher was saying the other day. he goes, yeah, this isn't perfect. i don't like it. there's a lot of people that have been put out of work because of the writers and the actors. you know, you go out, and if you're -- >> some of them are ride it out, but a lot of them can't. >> you know, if you've been on a show several times, you go out,

you look at the hundreds and hundreds of people it takes to put the show on, all those people out of work. all of those people struggling to make rent. all of those people struggling to pay their bills week in, week out, month in, month out. some point, the two sides need to get together and, again, lock themselves in a room and get this deal done. not just for the sake of the writer, the actors and the companies, but for everybody up and down the so-called food chain. >> and that's the case bill maher, drew barrymore, who is bringing her show back, others have tried to make in their long statements, explaining why they're coming back. they've been attacked by other actors, by hollywood, by the unions, for making that argument. so, yeah, i think from what i -- and this is just speaking to people in the industry the way you are, joe, they're nowhere right now. you know, for the sunday show, we book way out. we get big guests and actors. what we're hearing into october and november, even december, is,

guys, you might want a backup plan here for the guests because they're not going to come on the show. they're not going to be promoting movies. you know, think about somebody like our friend bradley cooper, who has this extraordinary movie about to come out, "mike maestro," he's been working on for five years and won't be out promoting it. he is standing in solidarity with the actors and the writers. but, yeah, again, anecdotally from what i'm hearing inside, they're very, very far apart here. >> all right. peter baker, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> can i ask you, peter? >> i want to talk about his book, but you go for it. >> before the book, let's talk about david ignatius' column this week. obviously caused a real stir there. at the end of the week, how did that all settle out? >> well, i mean, you talked about it this week. obviously, david is somebody who has a great deal of respect inside this white house. this is one of the columnists that the president pays attention to. to have him come out and say,

respectfully and, you know, supportively, that the president should think about stepping aside is a blow. it gave voice to what a lot of people have been saying, a lot of people in the democratic party are thinking the same thing but feel constrained, that the president doesn't want to listen or they don't want to damage him. the question is whether it'll be a tipping point. i think we're probably past that moment where there is a president who is likely to listen and maybe change his mind. we're so close to the filing deadline. i think he is pretty committed to running at this point. you don't hear anybody in the white house say otherwise. but, you know, i think it was a bad moment for the president, something he, i think, must have found frustrating. >> yeah, very frustrating, i think, for democrats who support joe biden. i think that there's some math to be done here when you make an assertion like that. the math is, who can beat donald

trump? well, joe biden has. hmm, who can be an effective president? well, whether you agree with what his policies are and what he's accomplished or not, joe biden has been an effective president. he's gotten more done than many other presidents before him. it seems to me, the only thing people have is his age. do you want to be the democrat that jumps in and then loses to trump and takes over for a guy who has beaten trump, who has proved the one thing everybody is worried about? >> peter, that is the thing. you talk to people around, some of these democrats that are kind of testing the waters. >> yeah. >> what they'll say is, my guy does not want to be the guy who divides the democratic party, then watches donald trump win, and then has, you know, the end of democracy hung around his neck -- >> yeah. >> -- for the rest of his life. the stakes are too high right now for somebody challenging joe

biden. >> yeah, i think that's the conundrum the democrats find themselves in. they're not really comfortable with the incumbent president running again. not because they don't like him or think he's done good work, mika. a lot of democrats happy with the legislative program he's put in place. i think david, you know, had nothing but praise or a lot of praise anyway for the president in his column, making the case. but, right, there is no alternative who is obvious, a giant in the wings waiting to take on donald trump. the argument the white house made, he is the one guy who beat trump, looks less persuasive with each and every poll in which he is tied with trump or, in some cases, behind him. that is not helping his argument he is the one trump killer in the party. right now, he doesn't look very strong in the polls. the idea that he is simply tied with an opponent who has been indicted four times doesn't signal strength. i think that's the problem for the white house. again, as you rightly say, there is no alternative.

the president's line is, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. right now, there's not an obvious alternative. >> mike barnicle, i was always fascinated when i was running, i was on the ballot four times. i was always fascinated by watching the people that were going in to vote. i could only do it for about five minutes every election, and then i had to leave and go shake hands somewhere else. it made me sick to my stomach. you're just so nervous. it is out of your hands there. people going in to vote, just good, common sense americans, and it always made me feel, you know, even though i was nervous on every one of those days, just made me feel like, you know what? they're going to do the right thing. i know there are a lot of polls that show pennsylvania's deadlocked, georgia is deadlocked, wisconsin.

all these states are deadlocked. i also know this, mike, that when people walk into the voting booth, it's a very personal thing for them. despite all the garbage they see on the internet, all the garbage they see on tiktok, all the garbage they hear on podcasts, all the garbage they hear in these slash and burn shows, when they get in and they check that box, you know what? they actually take that vote seriously. i've still seen nothing to suggest that voters in the suburs of atlanta, the suburbs of philadelphia, the suburbs of detroit, the suburbs of milwaukee, and in maricopa county, arizona, that those people who voted against donald trump are finally going to swing to him in 2024 after january 6th, after a new york judge said that he had raped e. jean

carroll. >> the porn star, hush money. >> illegal hush money. i mean, again, what he has done since 2020 to win the voters back in the suburbs? nothing. i'm hearing it from people in the suburbs who say they will never vote for donald trump again. >> you know, joe, despite all the marvelous tools that we have in our hands these days, literally in our hands, our phones, that connect us to everything imaginable in seconds, voting is still the last thing we do in this country individually, together on election day. it is a sacred thing still, the vote. we get the opportunity to vote. we get the opportunity not granted to many people in other countries. we have it. this fall, the case has to be made, i would think, and it will be made, that what's on the line is not only the presidency. democracy is on the line this

fall. you're right. everything, all the evidence you assembled and told us about, it's public knowledge, common knowledge. hopefully if a trial occurs between the federal government and donald j. trump, it'll be televised so people will have ample access to hard evidence. not hearsay. not cable talk show stuff. hard evidence. when we go to vote in november, you've got a choice, democracy or the politics of revenge. >> all right. peter baker, thank you so much for being on this morning. the paperback edition of peter's book entitled "the divider, trump in the white house 2017 to 2021" will be released this coming tuesday. we will speak with peter and susan together about it. >> very exciting. >> next week. >> we look forward to it. >> awesome. >> peter, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," former president trump gets asked about his handling of classified documents and his

response has legal experts raising their eyebrows. >> actually laughing. >> well -- >> kind of like the republican caucus whenever he would leave talking to them. >> shaking their heads. >> as mitt romney said, they'd die laughing because his arguments were so stupid. same thing. confessions to charges foiled against him. >> always confessions. also ahead, more of a conversation we've been having all this week on the show about the rising crime rates across the country and what can be done to address this important issue right away. >> you know, what is important to always remember is, yeah, we were talking about new york. we're talking about other states. we're also talking about jacksonville, florida. we're talking about monroe, louisiana. birmingham, alabama. bessemer, alabama. we're talking about red states and blue states. >> absolutely. >> this is a problem coast to coast. maybe people in washington, d.c., can stop playing politics with it and come together, keep people in all states safe. and in battleground wisconsin, republican lawmakers vote to fire the state's top

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it's worth listening to police officers. when talk in philly, d.c. or anywhere around the country. >> certainly, crime in the u.s. not what it was in the 1990s or so, but, certainly, there has been a spike in recent years. how much of a factor is it, also, we talked about this in our discussion with the former commission, of some police being reluctant to fully do their jobs? either because the protest, they feel the community or politicians haven't supported them, but also weariness of every moment captured on camera and perhaps being interpretedmi the public eye? >> it is a generational matter. when i talk to coppers, perhaps they've been on the force some time, the idea of body-worn cameras scares them. then i talk to kind of generation z, officers out of the academy, and they say it is okay, the notion of accountability. but there is fear, particularly in some police departments, that if they screw up, and it is a

really tough job, they're going to be prosecuted, you know, by their own -- the d.a.s in their respective cities. you know, there certainly is this overall sense of they don't have the support of local officials. that's why local politics really matter. >> so there's also an element to the crime rate in major cities, and probably smaller cities, too, that's called license, the license to steal. by that, i mean, you go in, you steal toothpaste, deodorant, toilet paper, you get caught, get a civil complaint issued to you. what yau do with the civil complaint is you fold it up and throw it away. there's no criminal complaint. so the growth of crime, from the license granted at the lowest level at misdemeanors, eventually, that's going to build up and you're going to see an exploding crime rate. >> well, that's right. that's why, you know, when bill bratton, you know, talked the other day, he spoke about the broken windows theory of policing. that's what a lot of the big city police departments moved

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as this war drags on. >> mika, couple things. first of all, i wouldn't be as concerned about kind of this, you know, russian/north korean alliance. the thing that is amazing is that, for a long time, we thought of north korea as a client state of russia. now, it looks like russia is a client state of north korea. that's how far vladimir putin has fallen since he is begging for assistance. the zelenskyy meeting at the u.n. i think is quite important. what i would look for, and i certainly hope for, is an announcement on things such as atacm missiles going to ukraine. there have been rumors in washington that this is something that's on the table again, that's going to be approved. that's really important because, again, for ukraine, crimea is the number one goal, number one target. the atacms would certainly help. zelenskyy is certainly coming with that in mind. >> msnbc national security and intelligence analyst, mac polymeropoulos, thank you very much for being on this morning. coming up, the house appears no closer on a deal to avoid a

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congress is inching closer to a government shutdown after more infighting between those house republicans. speaker kevin mccarthy yesterday tried to bring up a pentagon spending bill, but his efforts were stalled by far right republicans who are refusing to

budge on spending levels. the failure to move legislation forward that usually passes with bipartisan support is raising concerns from other house republicans that a shutdown is growing more likely. joining us now, democratic congresswoman veronica escobar of texas. she is national co-chair for president biden's re-election campaign. we want to talk with you also about the migrant crisis. first, if you could just weigh in on where we stand on a government shutdown, and is there any way to inspire republicans to move forward? >> well, good morning, mika. it's wonderful to be here. thanks for having me on. you know, here's the problem, we are literally days away from the federal government running out of money. the republican conference, led by speaker mccarthy, has essentially iced out democrats. in other words, we've not been allowed to really provide

amendments. there's been no bipartisan compromise. there has been no reaching across the aisle to fund the government and find answers to some of america's most challenging issues right now. speaker mccarthy has said, we're doing this alone. it is going to be a republican only bill. leave it to us. well, the result is they have not -- they've only passed one appropriations bill. there are, you know, a dozen bills that need to be passed. we're running out of time. and even the extremists, who speaker mccarthy has turned the gavel over to, even they aren't going to vote for the bills, even though they're getting much of what they want. so i am really concerned about the state of governance right now in the house of representatives and our ability as a congress to do our fundamental job of funding the government. >> congresswoman, this government shutdown drama is linked in the impeachment

inquiry of president biden. there is a sense speaker mccarthy would try to appease the far right to vote for the spending bill. that might not work, but the train is barrelling down the tracks on the impeachment inquiry. give me your read on that and what democrats will do about it. >> the impeachment inquiry that the fact he's linked it to an appropriations process is outrageous to me when, you know, reporters, members of congress, colleagues keep asking, what's the evidence? and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. they promised to impeach president biden, you know, before he was sworn in. they -- these are some of the same people who denied the outcome of a legitimate election in 2020, and so speaker mccarthy really has painted himself into a corner by linking these two, making it even harder for democrats to come to the table

in many respects because they haven't shown their cards. they haven't shown any evidence. you know, we are going to -- i sit on the house judiciary committee, so we will be playing a role in this, and we will work to expose the fallacy behind many of their claims. we're going to point out fact versus fiction, and we hope that the american people are paying attention because what the republican party is doing is trying to distract from the fact that they can't govern. >> so congresswoman, i would love to talk about why you're in new york city today. looking at the migrant crisis, a delegation will be meeting with immigrants in new york city, many who have been brought there, but also tell us about the dignity bill. >> well, thanks, mika. yes. i am here on the invitation of two of my new york colleagues

and el paso has been in the spotlight when it comes to the system, the asylum system that has now been overwhelmed because we have been really on the front lines of receiving migrants at our nation's front door, but other communities like new york city, chicago, illinois, denver, colorado, other communities in massachusetts, are now feeling the same kind of pressure that el paso and other border communities have felt, and i think it's really important for members of congress to understand the consequences of congressional inaction because while there are some members of congress who blame the president, really the responsibility of legislating around this issue is on congress, and it has been 37 years since congress has passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill. it's long past time we do it,

which is why i sought support and collaboration across the aisle with my colleague, representative salazar from miami, and together for several months, we worked quietly on a bill called the dignity act which literally would address all of the challenges that we are facing today. it's -- it doesn't give democrats everything we want. it doesn't give republicans everything they want, but it is an important starting point, and my -- my message to my colleagues in congress is come to the table. if you don't like provisions in the bill, sit with us and let's work on a solution together. tell us your alternatives. let's work in a bipartisan manner because the status quo is unsustainable. it's inhumane, and it's unjust. >> yeah, and a lot of folks are -- especially republicans --

are complaining that the biden administration isn't doing anything. here's an example of a bipartisan effort to get something done, so we thank you for bringing that to the table. congresswoman, i'm wondering if you could stay at the table as i bring in the next guest because i have a feeling you might have a thing or two to say about this issue as well. let's bring in co-founder and ceo of "all in together," lauren leader, and lauren, you have new polling taking a closer look at the issue of abortion rights, and you write a new piece for "politico," entitled "the end of roe is having a chilling effect on pregnancy." quote, polling conducted in august by my organization all in together in partnership with polling firm echelon insights found that 34% of women aged 18 to 39 said they or someone they know personally has decided not to get pregnant due to concerns about manaing pregnancy-related medical emergencies.

put another way, poor or unavailable maternal health care post-dobbs is leading people to alter some of their most important life choices. perhaps most surprisingly however, these results are similar regardless of whether the respondents are living in states with abortion bans or states without restrictions on abortion access. the consistency between red and blue states suggests that the statistics on maternal mortality and the stories of struggles of women navigating the new normal on abortion access have penetrated the psyche of young people everywhere. the dobbs decision it seems has fundamentally altered how people feel about having families and the calculus for getting pregnant. that calculus, lauren, meaning putting your life at risk if something were to go wrong along the way. what else did you find? >> well, yeah, and it was really

stunning because the number numbers of people, especially young people 18 to 39 that are in the prime child-bearing years were conscious that they found people had difficulty accessing emergency care. they were highly aware of the challenges that women are facing and i found this amazing that it was so consistent because the stories are really going -- penetrating how people feel about this. we have had lots of people on this show over the last year who have experienced, you know, horrific medical emergencies, left almost to die. there have been women who are, you know, doing tiktok tracking their miscarriages and their near-death experiences and it's really scaring people and honestly for good reason. we have a maternal health care crisis. it's gotten worse because of dobbs. we know that. the data is overwhelming and it's really sort of heartbreaking to think that so many young people are now afraid

to have kids, people that might otherwise want to have them. it's a terrible unintended consequence, i think. >> congresswoman, your thoughts on this? >> it's not at all surprising, mika. it's similar to what i hear from young women in texas as well. you know, the added consequence to the rolling back of abortion rights for women in america is that we are also losing access to og/gyns. there are a number of gynecologists and obstetricians who are basically moving to other states or closing down shop or no longer doing maternal care because they're putting their own license on the line if they help women in need. they're afraid of being sued. they're afraid of being jailed, and i think it's important to note one of the things that was most rackable about this information is that even women in states where abortion has not been banned are feeling this fear. >> right.

>> and it's because they know that republicans want a nationwide ban. they know that no woman is safe in any state as long as republicans have control of state legislatures and if they have control of congress or the white house, then that's what we have in store all over the country. >> we're looking at your polling -- you can jump in here. i'll just add this. looking at your polling, it's showing a lot of different things here including gop women are most motivated to vote in the 2024 election. what does that mean? vote republican or vote on this issue? >> yeah. so we track enthusiasm and motivation to vote over every election cycle. it's not especially unusual that the party running against an incumbent party would have higher levels of enthusiasm, but there are interesting things here that republican women are the most motivated. we see a huge gap in enthusiasm

by age on the democratic side. over age 50, much more enthusiastic. the young people, it was a big gap by about 30 points, and that's concerning. there was also a big gap among independents who, you know, are not thrilled with their choices. so, you know, i think this is something we're going to keep watching heading into the election. it matters a lot. i don't know if it will be static. we'll see some shifts there, but to the conversations about the ticket and motivation and mobilization of young people, they're going to be critical in this election. so we'll be watching closely. >> lauren leader, thank you very much, and democratic congresswoman, veronica escobar from texas. it's great to have you. thank you for coming on this morning. >> thank you, mika. still ahead, wisconsin senate republicans voted to fire the state's top election official setting up a legal battle ahead of the 2024 election. wisconsin's attorney general will joining join the conversation on the lawsuit he just filed in response to that

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ing. >> i don't have those documents. >> once you have a subpoena, you have to turn them over. >> i know this. i don't even know that because i have the right to have those documents so i don't really know that. >> all right. once again, donald trump seeming to confess on the air how fun it must be to be his attorneys, and all these cases against him. beil have much more on that straight ahead. plus, we'll get expert legal analysis on the new federal charges for hunter biden. also ahead, house speaker kevin mccarthy dares the far right members of his party to try to take the gavel away from him, and breaking news. a historic strike is under way this morning. for the first time ever, the united auto workers are taking on detroit's big three at the same time. we'll go through the union's demands and how the automakers are responding. a lot to get to on this friday morning. good morning, everyone. it is friday, september 15th,

and along with joe, willie, and me, we have former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki. the host of "way to early," jonathan lemere and jeff barnacle. >> that's why donald trump keeps talking to reporter on tv. >> does he feel better? >> he sits down with megyn kelly and sat down with kristin welker, the moderaor of "meet the press". >> he said, i know that. i don't even know this. immediately contradicting himself when he's told when a subpoena is presented to you you have to turn over the documents. he can keep citing the presidential records act and keep being wrong about that. that doesn't mean that you as an individual get to take the documents with you. that's not remotely what the presidential records act says.

they go to the national archives and those documents belong to the government. maybe that argument plays well with his audience, with his base, but again i guess for the 1,000th time, that's not at all how the presidential records act works. >> no. it's not month, mike barnacle, and yet he continues trying to use that excuse and continues talking around in circles, but again, at the end of every one of these interview, you've got prosecutors who are just, you know, looking down at their notebooks and go, well. that was a productive -- >> helpful. >> yeah, a productive interview for us. he's basically just confessing for the prosecutors every time he gets in front of a camera. >> can you imagine being his lawyer or lawyers? >> no. >> every appearance is the tale of the tape. that's where it goes. it goes directly to a tape that all they have to do in the prosecution is turn on the tape and endless interviews with megyn kelly, everyone. kristin welker, everyone.

everyone who's ever interviewed him, he has said something almost indictable during the course of a regular interview. here's a candidate, rather -- here's someone, a suspect, someone under indictment who will never, ever take the stand in a court of law because of this. >> yeah, and as his attorney, not only do you have to deal with all of that, but you have to look at him in the face and say, good job, mr. president or you'll get fired. let's start with the federal grand jury though, the indictment of president biden's son, hunter, on three felony gun charges setting the stage for a possible criminal child during the 2024 campaign. two counts are tied to hunter biden allegedly completing a form indicating he was not using illegal drugs when he purchased a colt cobra revolver. in 2018, the third count alleges he possessed a firearm while

using a narcotic. two of the counts carry maximum prison sentences of ten years while the third has a maximum of five years. each count, also carries a maximum fine of $250,000. the historic indictment against the son of a sitting president comes after a plea deal fell apart earier this year, and after house republicans launched an impeachment inquiry seeking documents. the case is overseen by david weiss who also headed the investigation. weiss is a trump appointee who was kept on as u.s. attorney for delaware because of the sensitive and unique nature of the investigation. attorney general merrick garland named weiss as special counsel in august just as negotiation over the tax and gun charges collapsed. lead counsel for hunter biden,

abbe lowell reads in quote, we believe these charges are barred by the agreement the prosecutors made with mr. biden. the recent ruings by federal courts and this statute is unconstitutional, and the facts that he did not violate the law, and we plan to demonstrate all of that in court. the white house referred requests for comment to the justice department and to hunter biden's legal team. willie? >> and joining us now, former fbi general counsel, now an nbc news legal analyst, andrew weissmann. good morning. we have to talk about this because so much has been conflated by president biden. these three charges are specifically related to hunter biden buying a firearm, and the charges are he lied on the form filling out the application for the gun that he wasn't using narcotics and he possessed a gun while he was using narcotics. what is the significance of this case if you see any to the

larger investigations around hunter biden that republicans say may be connected to joe biden, although there's no evidence presented of that yet? >> so there's no connection at all. i mean, this is a -- this is an alleged crime related to the purchase of the single gun. there's nothing about burisma. there's nothing about ukraine. there's nothing about foreign business. this is simply purchase of a gun. i do expect that we're going to see the federal tax charges that were initially sought to be brought in delaware that we're going to see those as soon as today possibly. those -- it'll be interesting to see what they say the source of the income was. there may be a connection, but it's important to note that to date, there's simply no evidence that it's come up with respect to the current president having any role in terms of any sort of

illegality regarding those tax charges, but it remains to be seen what is alleged by the special counsel here. >> it's jonathan. let's get your assessment of this charge in terms of how common it is, that someone would be actually charged with this, and then secondly, you know, even if we're adding tax charges to it as you expect may happen, sketch this out for the likelihood of this going to trial, and if so, when? >> sure. the way i look at this is when the former president was charged in the four separate indictments that exist, a legitimate question that people could and did ask was whether he was being treated comparably to other people. now there's -- is there precedent for other people being charged in like circumstances, and in the january 6th case, it

was an easy call because scores and scores of people have been charged for doing less than the former president. the same thing in the mar-a-lago documents case. so there was -- you could look to how other people had been charged and say, this is consonant and consistent with the rule of law. i do not think that is possible in the hunter biden case to say that. this really strikes me as an abuse of the -- just the enormous discretion that a prosecutor has in deciding not just can you bring a charge, because here he obviously can do it. there is probable cause that a grand jury found, but should you be bringing the charges? here the first two charges are completely duplicative, and it's not common to charge in my 21 years as a prosecutor, i never saw this charge, and i think that's common here.

>> jen psaki, given what andrew just said, i think this question about the politics of it, and you can take a question to him as well, but first, just wanted to hear your thoughts politically. >> yeah. >> this is the indictment of the president's son. it's serious, and i was gauging reaction on capitol hill, and you had major players in the democratic party, jamie raskin and others, eric swalwell. all of them respecting the law. there was no screeching and crying about the weaponization of the judicial system. there was, this is sad. we have to follow the law. we have to see what happens if someone does something wrong. they have to be brought to account. this isn't the president. clear facts. >> you're saying they acted like people who actually respect american democracy? >> correct. here's jamie raskin -- >> you're saying they weren't like fascists who when their leaders wither charged with something, they tried to tear down the jury system. >> there was a sadness, but -- >> so they weren't, like --

>> facts. >> they weren't like republicans that were saying we're going to tear down the fbi, the justice department, even attack the jury system if they didn't like something. >> even if i may, how can those republicans say everything they have been saying which has been ridiculous every step of the way, but then say this -- >> they're stupid. >> i gauged republican reaction in right-wing action, and they were acting -- well, the hypocrisy is boundless. here's jamie raskin and we'll get to jen psaki on the other side. >> i don't think people should applaud the system when it works for hunter biden, but then try to tear the system down when it works for donald trump. i mean, both of them have been indicted on various charges. the presumption of innocence operates for both of them, and, you know, we shouldn't take delight in other people's misfortunes, but we have to have a rule of law. >> i mean, we have to have a rule of law, mika and joe. it's such a relief to hear from

that people, including when it's about as you just said, somebody who is very close to the president. >> right. >> first and foremost, the politics of this is are a little hard to predict, but right now you have the president's son, somebody he loves deeply, somebody who has very publicly struggled with drug addiction, now facing these charges which are serious and i'll let andrew do a contemplation of the legality and the process and all of that which i know a lot of us have questions on. what is tricky to watch here, and what i think we all will be watching is what do republicans do with this on the hill as it relates to their impeachment process baloney efforts, right? we didn't see a lot of that yesterday. a lot of the tying of these charges to their impeachment efforts. if there are additional charges that we see from the department of justice that andrew just alluded to, i suspect they would try to do that, but right now what we're looking at, and i think on the politics of this, you know, millions of americans

have dealt with family members who have dealt with drug addiction, who have dealt with alcohol addiction, who have dealt with a range of addiction. my bet is right now this is a heartbroken president in the white house who is worried about his son. >> it is. >> and we're all watching to see kind of what happens with this. so andrew, my question for you -- >> go ahead, jen. go ahead, jen. >> i'm curious because we're all trying to figure this out. what happens exactly next year? there's a lot of talk which is important for us to know about maximum sentencing, but what happens now? could this really go through the course of next year? what are we really looking at after yesterday? >> so i think as you heard from abbe lowell, the new defense counsel, that you are going to see two types of motions at least, that there was a pretrial conversion signed with connection with these gun charges and the claim is going to be made that this is barred

because the department of justice through the special counsel agreed that this -- these cases would be deferred. so they're going to seek to enforce that agreement and we'll see how the judge rules on that. the second which is quite ironic and jen, i'm sure it doesn't escape you that republicans have obviously been touting the importance of the second amendment, and a very lively issue that goes to the supreme court deals with the constitutionality of this statute, and the republicans have generally taken a position that this statute and parts of it are unconstitutional because they infringe on the second amendment. so it's really unusual here that you have charges that are definitely going to be subjected to scrutiny as whether they violate the constitution or not, and so it's unusual for the department to be bringing these charges at this moment while

this is still untested as to whether they will, you know, withstand that scrutiny. so i think that is the second thing, and that obviously could take some time to get litigated. >> well, and willie, there's so many questions. you talk about the politicalization. as we always say here, if hunter biden did something that he deserves to be charged with and it was ultimately convicted, it's very sad for him and for everybody, but he'll go to jail and that's what the law is. in this case though, there are so many things -- abbe lowell brings this up. they made a deal with him and broke the deal. are they going to be barred from doing that? then you have, as andrew said, you have the 5th circuit and other circuits going, we're not actually sure that this -- this law that he was charged in is even constitutional, and then you have the fact that in 2021, only 5% -- only 5% of the

charges -- of these type of charges were related to guns, and i haven't -- i haven't found one that's related to a gun charge if you actually didn't use that gun in commission with another crime, which he did not do, and then you look at the uniqueness of the misdemeanor tax charges as well that may be coming down the pike, and it just seems again that if his last name were smith, you know what? he would have pled out a long time ago and these charges wouldn't have been brought. >> and it's a really interesting point you make and andrew just made which is that imagine, say, this were don jr. and he were brought up on these charges. he would be a second amendment hero, right? this law shouldn't even exist. they would point to the pending litigation that you're talking about here, but it is hunter biden, and they believe and the reaction from republicans has been, this is just the first step.

this is just the gun charge on hunter biden. now let's get to the other stuff. that's house republicans talking about impeachment and again, without evidence yet, tying hunter biden's business dealings to the president of the united states, and mike barnacle, jen psaki pointed to it a second ago, but just the way this may be i want packing the president of the united states. this is his son who's had addiction problems now bringing trouble to him and his bid to win re-election and his bid to keep donald trump out of the white house again, which a lot of the country views as an urgent matter. how do you think all of this on a personal level is impacting president biden? >> well, willie, the president is now part of a long line of parents across this country who have a family -- a member of a family within their family who's suffering from addiction. there are thousands of them from coast to coast. too many people have been touched by addiction of their children. he carries that every single

day. he also goes to work every single day as president of the united states which is a 24/7 job, and the weight of the presidency is enormous. none of us can really factor into what it must be like to carry the responsibilities of being president of the united states, but hovering above that job each and every day for joe biden and jill biden is the concern and the constant worry about hunter biden. trying to figure out, you know, will this set him off? will this trouble him even more deeply? will this get him back onto something that we don't want him doing? so they worry about that all the time, and that affects him obviously, and we're going to see what happens ongoing. hunter seems to be pretty strong according to people who know him, still standing up strong, going through what he's going through. we'll find out, but in the meantime, we have these charges that were brought yesterday, and andrew, i want to ask you. you mention the diversion

agreement that apparently was signed prior to the breakup of the deal earlier this summer. does that mean it's a contract null and void automatically? does it have any effect right now, and before you answer, i want to tell you that yesterday i was texting with a former federal prosecutor who now sits on the bench and i asked him if an ordinary citizen were charged with lying on a gun application and he or she was an addict, what would happen that to ordinary citizen? here was his response as he texted back to me. he said -- i've lost it, but basically he said, not much. he'd lose the gun. he would lose his gun license. other than that, unless there were other factors involved, nothing would happen to him, unless he was very unlucky or his name was hunter biden. that was his response. what's your response? >> so i completely agree. i've never actually seen this

charge brought in 21 years, and, you know, i saw lots and lots of cases in new york and in d.c. i do think that this is a situation where the last name of the person is making a difference, and that's not how the rule of law is supposed to work. with respect to your first question, when you have an agreement with the government, it is enforceable that you can bring a motion, which i am confident that abbe lowell will bring for what's called specific performance. so if the government agrees to do something, they can't renege, and it can be enforced. the issue will be whether the agreement was really final. now at the hearing that was held last month, both sides said this was signed. both said it was independent of any other part of the deal in terms of -- it had nothing do with with the tax charges and both sides said that to the

court. so it's going to be very hard for the government to try to wiggle out of that given their representations to a federal judge, nor should the government trying to be wiggle out of something. if they agreed to something, even if you regret it later -- >> right. >> -- that's not what you do when you are representing the government. you have to stand by your word. still ahead on "morning joe," in the words of donald trump, quote, i'm allowed to do what i want to do. >> yeah, no. that's who you teach 3-year-olds that they're not allowed what they want to do. >> that's been the issue the whole time. >> this must be his problem. >> not sure that defense will hold up when jack smith is prosecuting the ex-president for withholding nuclear secrets. >> and lying about holding nuclear secrets. >> right. >> and obstructing justice over holding nuclear secrets. >> defying subpoenas. >> and defying subpoenas, yes. >> so much. nuclear secrets, yeah. more from trump's stunning interview straight ahead on "morning joe." rview straight ah "morning joe."

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they don't even mention the presidential records act. this is all about the presidential records act. i'm allowed to have these documents. i'm allowed to take these documents, classiied or not classified, and frankly when i have them, they become unclassified. people think you have to go through a ritual. you don't. at least in my opinion, you don't. >> the question is simply, your lawyers signed a certification saying they turned over everything responsive and when fbi raided mar-a-lago, they found documents that were responsive that had not been produced marked classified. >> i don't know what the timing is. again, i would have to check the timing. >> that's it. >> i would have to check timing. i'm allowed to have those documents. >> once you get a subpoena, you have to turn this over. >> i know this. i don't even know that because i have the right to have those documents so i don't really know that. >> more now from that interview where donald trump seemed to confess to some of the federal charges against him. >> that happens when he talks.

it happens. >> crimes. >> all the time. >> host megyn kelly pressed trump on his handling of the classified materials and the audio recording of him showing a classified document to people at his golf club in new jersey. >> okay, but let's get to my question. why would you be holding up a newspaper saying, this is still secret? i could declassify it if i were president or not? >> i would have to look at it. well, i could have -- >> you told bret baier -- >> as i remember, and i don't know. >> you tell me what you were waving around if that meeting. >> i also told him it wasn't a classified document. >> what were you waving around in that meeting? >> i'm not going to talk to you about that because that's already been i think very sub substantiated. there's no problem with it. >> you told bret baer -- >> let me tell you again.

i'm covered by the presidential records act. ai'm allowed to do what i want to do. it's covered. it's civil, and i'm covered. this shouldn't even be a case. then they say i fought them and i obstruct them. this is the same thing. they have a fake crime. there is no crime. in fact, it's civil. it's not criminal. >> that's true. they're saying they're using the espionage act to make it criminal. we'll be here all day. >> like the spanish armada is going to raid us. the espionage act of 1917 has no impact on this. i am covered 100%. >> i got it. there's a dispute about a, about whether presidential -- just so my audience knows -- >> i don't think there's any dispute i'm covered under the presidential records act. >> well, you're covered, but it's not clear that it allowed you to take all those documents. >> it says what it says. you're allowed. >> do you believe that every cia document that came to you as

president was automatically yurs to keep no matter what? >> i'm not going to answer the question. >> that's the dispute. >> i think it's clear in the document. >> nothing about it is clear, andrew weissmann. that was the biggest nonsense, biggest bs. i mean, him saying that he could take whatever he wanted to take because of the presidential records act, it doesn't fall under the presidential records act. the guy steals nuclear secrets. he steals secret plans and again, i'm not exactly sure why this wasn't pushed a little bit more there, but he told suzy wilds, what i am holding is a classified document. i shouldn't be showing it to you. if i were still president, i could declassify it, but since i'm not president, i can't declassify it. he admitted everything right there on tape, clear as day. so i'm not exactly sure who he

was lying to there, and who's stupid enough to believe any of what he just said because, again, you look at the facts of this case, and it's all there in black and white. trump -- trump is -- these entire cases are built by donald trump and people that donald trump hired. that's it. >> so the key there is that it's on tape. i mean, this is one where the government is just in the most incredible position because they have the defendant on tape, confessing to the crime. i also think just to willie's point, introducing this is just you have the former leader of the free world saying he's not sure when you get a subpoena whether that means you have to produce documents. i mean, this case is just not about the facts. >> it's ludacris. >> this is spinning to his base to try this case in the court of

public opinion. there just isn't a dispute here if you are dispassionate about the facts. i think the biggest challenge for the government is getting this particular case to trial. they are not being helped out by the florida judge who has been very slow in making rulings and deciding things. so that i think is going to be the challenge. i suspect that they're putting all of their effort on the january 6th d.c. case because the florida case is something that, you know, it remains to be seen just exactly when that will go to trial, but the case itself is overwhelming. coming up, a new development in another case against donald trump. allegations that he paid hush money to hide an affair with a porn star. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming ri back

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♪♪ earlier this week, the new york judge overseeing the hush money case against donald trump, remember that one? the judge signaled he would be open to delaying the start of the trial while. while a development like that is usually a setback, andrew, you say it's a win for manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. you write about this in a new piece for msnbc.com entitled "alvin bragg keeps winning and nobody's talking about it." tell us why this would be a win. >> sure. well, first the fact that the manhattan case may get moved is something that was sort of anticipated because the d.c. january 6th case by all accounts

is the case that is the most significant and it's the one with a real timeline because that's the one that could go away if trump were to win the presidency. the president would have the power to just say, stop. don't go forward. so that case really needs to be tried, and it is useful for the electorate, democrats and republicans to have a jury verdict on that. so knowing that both judge marchand who's the d.a. judge and bragg very graciously made it known that they were not going to be insisting that their case, although first in time, in terms of when it was brought, that they had the view that if justice demands that another case go forward first, that they would not stand in the way, and judge marchand had a

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. third and 4. here comes pressure. there goes the ball, wide open. it is smith again. all the way for the touchdown. >> roll tide. eagles quarterback jalen hurts with a 63-yard bomb to devonta smith. that gave the defending champions a lead. minnesota closed the gap, but could not recover from three costly fumbles.

the eagles get the win on a thursday night game. 34-28, and move to 2-0. joe, you know, watching jalen hurts, he finished second last year in the mvp voting only to patrick mahomes. he was probably the best player in the nfc last year. people weren't sure about him when he came into the nfl. he bounced from alabama to oklahoma. he could run. could he throw in a pro-style offense? last night he threw that dart to davante adams, rushed for two yards himself, and the doubters are gone now. jalen hurts is an mvp-worthy player in the nfl. >> i mean, what an extraordinary story, jalen hurts is. i mean, here's a guy who, you know, certainly was a hero at the university of alabama, but what we saluted him for his junior year was the fact he was such a team player that when he was benched behind tua -- >> yep. >> -- he still was a team player, and he still kept his head up. a guy of great character, but, you know, willie, you look on

clips -- you look at clips from i don't know some of the best in the business, people we love to listen to. you listened to shannon sharp and others who said that jalen hurts was going to be a bust in the nfl. there was no way the eagles should have picked him as high as they did, and that he was going to be a failure. the fact that jalen hurts has proven everybody wrong, and he's one of the great quarterbacks in the nfl right now, and also that he's handled it with grace. he doesn't -- every day he doesn't get in front of -- he doesn't do a deion sanders. i'm pulling for deion at colorado, but after that first win, i wanted to say to deion, keep your head down, buddy, you know, you got 11 games every year. don't go out, like, screaming and yelling how great you are and people need to believe, but jalen, he's just keeping his head down, and he's talking on

the field, and that's the type of quarterback -- that's the type of leader you want. what a great story, though. >> it is. by the way, coach prime doesn't have keep your head down in his arsenal. that's not what he does. >> no. >> but yeah. jalen hurts, i'm just happy for him. like you say, he was a great quarterback at alabama. he got hurt. tua took over and he went to oklahoma, had success too, and having a great nfl career. eagles, 2-0. last night's game, also had plenty of fantasy football implications and joining us now is fantasy football analyst, matthew barrie. he's the host of "fantasy football happy hour" weekdays at noon eastern on peacock. it's great to have you on the show. we want to talk about fantasy and show you our teams. i had a bleak week one and hoping we recover in week two. we had a story. aaron rodgers, four plays into his career, the savior of the new york jets, their long suffering jets fans who haven't

been to or won a suable since joe namath was in town, going down with the achilles injury, and going right back to where they started with zach wilson. they got an incredible defense, and they proved it by beating the bills. what are the prospects for the jets going forward? >> first off, obviously they're worse. any time you lose a future hall of famer like aaron rodgers, that's not good, but i don't think the season is over for them. the fact they won their opening game against the bills, i think that's helpful, and they have to your point, willie, they have a great defense. they can run the ball well. they should do what the 49ers did last year when they faced a similar situation. they lost their starting quarterback. they had to roll aspirations and what you need to do is brock purdy this. like, hey, brock. you don't need to win the game for us. don't lose it for us. we're going to run the ball well, play great defense and play conservative. the next five games are absolutely brutal, but if they can go 2- 3 over the next five

and they go 3-3, i think they're right in the thick of this. i don't think the season is over. is it great? no, it isn't, but if i'm jets fans, i will say i thought zach wilson looked okay, you know, coming in cold and he had that one really good drive and ultimately led the jets to a win on monday night. >> so matthew, let's get your sense of the last two teams who met in the super bowl. we just showed you the eagles, obviously 2-0. jalen hurts remains an mvp candidate as well as a fantasy monster. i think there are questions about patrick mahomes and the quality of the weapons around him. what do you think there as you watch? can mahomes do it again with a banged up travis kelce and not much else? >> yeah. i guess i'm not as worried about that. i think just the track record of andy reid and patrick mahomes speaks for itself. that was a flukey game. there was no travis kelce. that opens up, and there were bad missed drops and those are wide receivers and they will be

better. give credit to the detroit lions. they played absolutely great, but i think they'll correct that. kelce is expected to be back this week, and until we see that offense with kelce, i don't think it's -- we should judge. again, they've won 2 of the last 3 super bowls. i'm not panicking on the meter on the cincinnati bengals, a very sexy super bowl pick coming into this season. they look terrible. joe burrow signed that massive contract earlier in the week, couldn't get anything done against the browns. what's up with them? >> it was a bad game, obviously. really bad weather. give cleveland credit. they play really good defense. joe burrow got injured early in the preseason. that was basically a preseason game for joe burrow. last year at this time after week one, the third best quarterback in fantasy football last year was carson wentz, who

currently doesn't have a job. two top ten running backs last year were hilliard and james robinson, who are deep backups on their current teams. the fact of the matter is, it's one week. think about a couple years ago. the packers went to new orleans. the saints absolutely crushed the packers. it was some crazy score like 34-3. it was an awful game for aaron rodgers. he said it was win bad game. we're going to be fine. that was 2021. rodgers won the mvp that year. it's one week. in the words of bill belichick, we're onto cincinnati. i'm not concerned. republicans just fired wisconsin top election official

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♪♪ i. welcome back. in the aftermath of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v wade, many major corporations across the u.s. rolled out policies covering travel expenses for employees who need abortion or abortion care. but new research shows while these policies are helping bring in new talent, they may be alienating current workers, especially men. here to explain, maggie mcgrath and huma abedin. great to have you guys back.

maggie, your team at forbes women has been extensively covering the fall of roe v wade and its repercussions. what exactly did this study find and why does it matter in the grand scheme of things? >> this study looked at data from indeed and glassdoor. it analyzed some 3 billion clicks on u.s. job postings, and it found an 8% increase in interest for companies with job listings that had announced travel benefits, abortion care benefits, compared to companies that had not. the researchers said the increase in interest is the equivalent to what they would have seen had the listed salaries been 12% higher than what they were. what this really shows is the important role that companies can play in a post row environment. it shows a lot of workers and especially women and younger workers really want to see their

employers getting engaged in this issue. yesterday i spoke with the president of planned parenthood, alexis mcgill johnson. she said corporate leaders could be doing a lot more on this issue, because they have the ability to normalize what reproductive health care looks like in america. >> yes. huma, let's dig deeper. there was a difference between male-dominated companies versus companies with female ceos or one primarily with a female workforce. >> there was. research showed that companies led by women did offer access to more abortion care. there's something interesting. there was a morass of information there, but when you take this out of an academic conversation and look at the actual numbers, it showed that the majority of workers under 40

wanted to work in places that had access to abortion care. that included men. we're living in a time where there's a survey that says 59% of americans support abortion in the first three months of pregnancy. yes, while you have women leading the way in some companies, you're also seeing large corporations who offer similar benefits within their companies, companies like amazon and lyft and starbucks led by men. that's because they're seeing this, as they should, as a health care issue for all that happens to also be good for business. >> wow. as you know, we've been seeing this battle on the political stage as well nationally from

republican senator tommy tuberville continuing to block promotions of hundreds of military leaders in a move he says is meant to protest a policy that helps fund out of state travel for service members seeking abortion care, to texas lawmakers threatening lyft ceo logan green saying the company would cover costs for employees who do need to travel more than 100 miles for abortion care. is tommy tuberville going to hold back military promotions forever? what's going to be the reaction to all of this? >> it's so clear there is confusion within that party. there's no consistent message. you have this very crowded republican presidential field. you have the number one person at the top, donald trump, and then the far second nikki haley, both who have said they should voice restraint when it comes to

this conversation on a national ban for calling on a national ban for abortion, because it might alienate suburban female voters. you have senate republicans saying let's not call a national ban this year. that is because they saw last year how it affected their standing in the midterms. yes, this is all good news for democrats. but we have to be careful. there's 14 months until the next election. they're going to try to take this issue, which is a losing issue for them and try to make us on the other side seem like the boogeyman. we have to keep young voters motivated. research shows young people care about having access to these basic health care rights. but also not making the democrats seem like the other extreme. that's what we have to remind people on a daily basis that

they're the ones. donald trump single handedly is the reason roe v wade was overturned because of the three supreme court justices he put in those positions. >> tell us who the people who made the know your value list. >> diana green foster is 52, a professor at ucsf. she's the brains between the turn-away study which shows the effects on denied abortions, the financial, physical and psychological effects. >> thank you both, as always. thank you so much for being on. for more information on this issue and on our 50/50 list,

head to know your value dotcom. while you're there, we have a great feature about research that shows how women tend to be less confident than men even when their abilities are equal or better and how that can have dire effects on everybody in the workplace. i spoke with lisa sun about her new book on the eight strengths that redefine confidence. she explained how part of the problem stems from viewing confidence primarily through a male lens. >> the elephant in the room is that society has defined confidence as one thing. when you're told to be more confident, it's behavioral, speak up, throw back your chest, stand on a stage. it's very extroverted. it's one note. if you look up confidence in the dictionary, it has nothing to do with performance or bravado or

swagger. it's an understanding and appreciation of your own abilities. >> welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." i'm confidently able to report to you it is two minutes past the top of the hour, just past 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. nearly 13,000 members of the united autoworkers union are on strike this morning, walking out of three plants in missouri, ohio and michigan. this comes after detroit's big three automakers failed to reach a deal with the union on a new collective bargaining agreement. the strike could cost the companies more than $5 billion per week. jesse kirsch is in detroit. >> reporter: from missouri to ohio and the detroit suburbs, this morning the united autoworkers taking historic

action that comes with serious consequences. overnight almost 13,000 workers told to walk off the job in what the union calls its first-ever strike against all of the big three automakers at the same time. >> we're seeking what's fair. we helped build america. >> reporter: in front of a ford assembly plant outside detroit, uaw president joining the picket line overnight. for now, the uaw targeting three assembly plants, one each for general motors, ford and still lan tis. >> you have auto makers paying a lot less for labor. >> shame on those competitors, number one. the companies are trying to drive a race to the bottom, and we're better than that. >> reporter: the big three including the head of ford say they want a deal. >> what they've offered is

untenable. we can't sustain our company. we'd go bankrupt in a matter of years. >> reporter: ford ceo also warning of ripple effects. >> this could mean the downstream plants and employees may not receive strike funds or even unemployment. it's chaos. >> reporter: general motors writing, we are disappointed by the action despite the unprecedented economic package gm put on the table. adding, we will continue to bargain in good faith. as strikes linger, car buyers and drivers needing repairs would eventually feel the impact. how long are you willing to go? >> as long as we have to. one day more than these companies want to hold out. >> president biden will deliver remarks on the contract negotiations between the union and the big three automakers later today. we turn to capitol, where house speaker kevin mccarthy is calling out members who are threatening to hold a vote to remove him from the speakership.

in a house republican conference meeting yesterday, mccarthy told his caucus, if you want me to file a motion to vacate, then file the [ bleep ] motion. this comes as congressman matt gaetz of florida is threatening to essentially hold a no-confidence vote if he doesn't meet the house freedom caucus's demands over the government funding bill. mccarthy acknowledged the comments after the meeting, saying he was frustrated with how the caucus was holding up the process to fund the government. >> i told my conference i know tomorrow is a jewish holiday. we'll be out of session. when we come back, we're not going to leave. we're going to get this done. nobody wins in a government shutdown. threats don't matter. sometimes people do those things because of personal things. that's all fine. i focus just like anything else. if you watched, most people speak on the first round. took me 15.

i don't walk away from a battle. >> let's bring in former white house director of communications to president obama, jennifer palmeri, claire mccaskill, charlie sykes and jonathan lemire. charlie, this is a fight within the republican party that could hold up government funding. what am i missing here? can't they get anything done? oh. we've got no audio on charlie. unmute yourself, charlie. we'll go to jen. >> i'm sorry about that. [ laughter ] >> mika, this is the speakership that kevin mccarthy wanted, right? this is the ticket that he

bought. so the question is whether or not republicans really want to get things done. i mean, the burn it all down caucus. i mean, what did kevin mccarthy think was going to happen when he made one promise after another to the crazies in his caucus? how did he think this was going to play out? so this is going to be his month from hell. you know, i'm sorry, i have to break out the world's smallest violin. i don't really feel that sorry for him. >> claire mccaskill, your thoughts? this was an inevitable with the deal that he cut to become speaker. it's blatant careerism without a care in the world for what may or may not get accomplished for the american people. >> yeah. i'm going to mention this because it fits here so well. jen and i started a podcast this

week. our first episode is "kevin mccarthy is screwed." [ laughter ] >> and he is. we know it wasn't a matter of if. it was just a matter of when. when you have that close a margin and such a virulent, extreme strain in your caucus that wants nothing more than to get the headlines matt gaetz has gotten. he wanted what he got. he wanted the attention. he is going to continue to do this. i don't know how this is going to turn out. it will not surprise me if mccarthy holds on but in a very weakened position. it will not surprise me if we're calling someone else speaker by the time we're saying trick-or-treat. >> obviously, this is a challenging moment for the speaker, who did not use the word blanking when he spoke to members of republicans in the house.

if you were advising him, how would you suggest he navigate this? clearly he made a bet that he could link the impeachment inquiry with funding, they would go along. he's lost that bet. the impeachment inquiry train is barreling down the tracks and yet he still doesn't have the votes. >> he's like trump in that he lives to get through the next ten minutes. i would not say nobody wins in a government shutdown, only because he's right. chances are in the next few weeks his very own republican caucus is probably going to be shutting down the government, because he's not going to be able to get these votes. he does not have -- i think he made the bet and he was right to say, you know, filing the motion to vacate to challenge his

leadership and the speakership, he's right to call people's bluff on that. the truth is for right now there's not someone else that could replace him. so to try to get everybody in line to say put up or shut up might be a good move. but i don't see how he has 218 votes for anything right now. he gave away the impeachment inquiry before the day everybody got back to town. he should have held onto that if you're going to use that as a bargaining chip until much later in the month. now he's just going to try to bully people into not shutting down the government. i don't know that that's going to work. >> this sunday kristen welker takes over as moderator of "meet the press." she sat down with trump for her first interview. >> i wanted to ask you about the

case related to mar-a-lago. a new charge says you asked a staffer to delete security footage so it wouldn't get into the hands of investigators. did you testify to that under oath? >> i'll testify. >> did you testify to that under oath? >> it's a fake charge by this deranged lunatic prosecutor, who lost in the supreme court 9-0 and he tried to destroy lots of lives. he's a lunatic. it's a fake charge. but more importantly, the tapes weren't deleted. in other words, there was nothing done to them. they were my tapes. i could have fought them. i didn't have to give them the tapes, i don't think. i think i would have won in court. when they asked for the tapes, i said sure. they're my tapes. i could have fought them. i didn't have to give them. we didn't delete anything. nothing was deleted. >> so that's false? >> number one, the statement is false. much more importantly, and everybody says this, they weren't deleted. we gave them 100%. >> or did you attempt to delete

them? >> the full interview airs this sunday on "meet the press." we'll note the same invitation to sit down with kristen has been extended to president biden. the president's son hunter was indicted yesterday on gun charges months after the collapse of a plea deal with prosecutors. laura jarrett has the latest. >> reporter: this morning, less than two months after his plea deal collapsed, the president's son now fighting criminal charges in the midst of his father's reelection bid. a federal grand jury indicting hunter biden on three felony counts, accused of lying about his drug use when he bought a gun back in 2018, those allegations the same ones he stood ready to admit over the summer, which would have allowed him to avoid prison time. >> this office has never brought a charge like this against anybody. hunter owned an unloaded gun for 11 days. >> reporter: but the deal

unravelled after a judge questioned it and biden's legal team now calls the charges a result of partisan interference, accusing special counsel david weiss of bending to political pressure. >> if the republicans yell loud enough, at some point it cracks through and people believe it. >> reporter: while some republicans on the hill say they hope that was just the beginning and remain focused on their own investigations related to hunter biden's foreign business dealings. >> you have to follow the money. does it lead back to the white house? does it lead back to joe biden? we don't know the answers to that. >> reporter: no official word from the white house on the indictment, but the president has defended his son in the past, saying last year he believed people would understand his son's struggles with addiction. >> this thing about a gun, i didn't know anything about it. turns out that when he made application to purchase a gun, what happened was he -- you get asked the question are you on drugs or do you use drugs.

he said no. >> reporter: weiss only releasing a paper statement, staying mum when asked. a spokesperson for the special counsel's office says the investigation continues. >> joining us now, national correspondent for politico betsy woodruff swan and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. this is serious. we have to watch it play out. my question to you is what do you make of this indictment? what surprises you about it? and what potentially is hunter biden facing? >> mika, the maximum is 25 years in prison. i think it's unlikely he'll serve any prison time over this. equal justice under the law means hunter biden should be treated no better or no worse than anyone else. if his name was hunter smith, we would not be charged like this. this is a tough case for prosecutors. the strength of the case for prosecutors is the facts.

hunter biden's history of drug use is well documented even in his own memoir. he described he was addicted around the time he purchased the weapon. the weakness for prosecutors is the law that bans drug users from possessing weapons, but it's rarely enforced and hardly ever charged unless the gun was used in another crime. this opens prosecutors up to a defense of selective prosecution which could allow a judge to dismiss the whole thing. this same law was declared unconstitutional just last month. it's hanging by a thread waiting for the supreme court to weigh in. >> betsy, as you're talking to people close to this case, including hunter biden's attorneys, what is the sense as to what comes next?

there continues to be chatter about perhaps some sort of foreign business lobbying. but none of that's happened yet. how is team hunter biden preparing? do they think this is going to go to trial? >> there's defense and there's offense. what the prosecutors themselves have said in court filings is that they expect to bring charges against hunter biden on tax counts. those charges would come in california or washington, d.c. what we're seeing unfold this week in a very dramatic fashion is a significant escalation of the offensive strategies that hunter biden's legal team is facing. what got missed in all the drama of yesterday was that earlier this week hunter biden's team sued a former trump white house staffer garrett zeigler, who's played a major role in widely

distribuing the contents of hunter biden's laptop, as well as, again according to zeigler, the contents of an iphone backup he says he was able to access. that suit was brought in federal court in california and accuses this former trump white house official of violating multiple computer privacy laws. then late last night, abby lowell, the lead defense attorney for hunter biden, sent a letter and a tranch of documents over to the republican committee chairman, all in response to a request that those chairmen sent to lowell earlier this month. lowell said in his letter essentially, make my day, i'm happy to send this stuff over. we obtained some, not all of those materials. in those materials are multiple communications between hunter's lawyers and a host of officials at the justice department

arguing that irs whistleblowers were breaking the law, committing feloies and violating hunter biden's rights. this is a strategy of going on offense that comes as many house democrats are struggling to figure out how to talk about this impeachment issue. it's a dramatic difference between the way congressional democrats and hunter's lawyers themselves are approaching these moments. >> hunter's laws are still talking about that plea agreement. is that true? does it provide protection to hunter biden? is there any chance it could be revisited and would spare him a trial? >> prosecutors are always open to a plea deal. the last one fell apart.

although his lawyer says that's one of their defenses, that they were complying with a deal in place and you've got to honor that deal. i don't think that's their best argument. the deal was scuttled because of the judge. the judge is going to say, no, i voided the deal. so game on. their better argument is selective prosecution because the statute is rarely enforced, and i think this statute will eventually be thrown out by the supreme court as unconstitutional because it's hanging by a thread. then there are other charges of lying on a form. those lies have to be relative and significant. if the underlying gun charge is throat out by the court, then those lies on that form will also be thrown out because it will not materialize. this whole thing is going to be really hard for prosecutors. john durham was another holdover from the trump administration, another prosecutor who brought

charges. what happened? he was humiliated when the charges fell apart. let's hope for david weiss's sake, he doesn't meet the same fate. >> obviously tough week for the biden family. no one wants to have to deal with this. there's argument to be made that the president's own son is under indictment, that the department of justice is pursuing this, the notion there's a two-tiered justice system, one for republicans and one for democrats kind of goes out the window with some voters. obviously not for hard core trump supporters. do you have any sense from the white house perspective that that might be an argument they will put into play? >> there's no question already on capitol hill that democrats are making that exact point. how can you argue that the

justice department is ignoring crimes committed by democrats when in fact they've just recently brought this charge that is brought so rarely, if ever, under the same circumstances that it's being brought against the president's son right now and pointing to, of course, that question of politicization. david's point about the facts that the john durham probe was defeated in dramatic and embarrassing fashion twice. that issue is something hunter's lawyers have addressed twice in private meetings with the doj. and one of the defendants who defeated durham at trial in embarrassing fashion, that firm very much built hunter biden's criminal defense. they represented him all the way up through that hearing in july and played a key role in essentially running the same playbook in arguing that a politically motivated prosecution is going to be a

loser in front of a jury. >> put everybody up again. i want to thank betsy woodruff swan and dave aronberg for being on. yeah. nobody on this screen or on any of our shows before or after this indictment went down here on "morning joe," i don't think i heard one person screeching about the weaponization of the justice department and claiming it was a witch hunt and undermining our institutions. i'm trying to think. i don't see anyone here that has done that, not once. take note, republicans bowing to donald trump and losing every step of the way when they do that, when legitimate charges have arisen against the former president, some of them that he completely admits to even when he doesn't know he's admitting them to megan kelley.

dave aronberg, thank you very much. charlie, can we talk about the politics of this and how the hypocrisy of trump republicans or the republican party overall because they may not be trump republicans behind the scenes, but they're too scared to say the right thing here. i don't hear democrats. for the most part, i don't hear any screeching about the weaponization of the justice department. this is very serious. the president's son has been indicted on the gun charges. it does carry a long sentence if that's the way the law goes. none of us are saying this isn't a story. none of us are saying this is weaponization of the justice department. >> well, that's right. obviously this interrupts the narrative we're hearing on capitol hill that we have the deep state biden justice

department with its two-tiered system of justice. well, what has the biden justice department done? it has indicted a member of the biden family. i have to say, leaving aside the legal issues, i think they also need to understand how this is going to play out and what they're doing on capitol hill, how they're flooding the zone with all this. we are talking about hunter biden right now rather than the former disgraced president with 91 felony charges. this is what kevin mccarthy and republicans on capitol hill want to do throughout 2024. they want to talk about hunter biden. they want to make this the center piece of their impeachment inquiry even though they can't tiny of this to the actual president of the united states or anybody who works for the administration. so this plays out on two tiers. there's obviously hypocrisy. that is nothing new. i can't speak to the legal questions.

there's no way this is good for the biden family at this moment, because it is a weapon of mass distraction. it changes the subject. that's the counter programming behind the entire impeachment effort to get us to spend time talking about the president's son as opposed to what the former president himself did in office and after office. that's something i think people should be concerned about. even a legal win might turn out to be a political loss because of this distraction. >> yeah. i can't agree with charlie more on this. i think it's really important that the white house not ignore this. we watched it with swift boat. we watched it with her e-mails. if they decide this is going to go away, because there is no "there" there. i know it's boxing shadows, but those shadows are looming.

polling shows there is a big swath of americans that think joe biden did something wrong. i don't think they can just sit back and let this play out. they've got to go on offense. i have one question i want all my republican friends to think about. would donald trump ever have allowed the department of justice to indict his son over information on a gun application? >> joining us now, democratic congressman joe nagoose of colorado. i guess i should start with the impeachment inquiry into president biden and get your thoughts. then i want to jump to the politics of hunter biden. first, what do you make of this inquiry that kevin mccarthy has sort of been cornered into

launching. >> well, good morning. i think the inquiry is yet another example of speaker mccarthy capitulating to the far-right wing of his caucus. it is further evidence of the extremism that has taken root in the house republican conference. as you know, there's no share basis for the impeachment inquiry. speaker kevin mccarthy couldn't convince his own republican colleagues that was the case sufficient to have a vote on the matter. i've yet to hear an articulation of the constitutional standard of impeachment in terms of the evidence they supposedly say they have. i just think this is emblematic of the chaotic approach house republicans have taken since they gained power. data i've seen suggests the american people are not focused on this and are not concerned about it, but rather are

concerned about the core functions of government including that in 15 days the government may shut down due to republican dysfunction in the house. >> real divisions on the republican side as to whether or not some of them want to keep the lights on. talk to us about the possibility where you see negotiations going the next 15 days and if a resolution can give you more time to figure this out. suddenly, doubts are growing about that too. >> with respect to your second question, i certainly hope that is a house republicans are fighting each other. the infighting, the extremism, the chaos, the dysfunction has real consequences for our economy and for americans aloss our country.

we saw that just a mere few months ago with respect to the debt ceiling crisis. now 15 days before a government shutdown, house republicans are incapable of being putting an appropriations bill on the floor. they haven't done so since july. they have a wing within their caucus that is unwilling to pass a continuing resolution or an omnibus bill and apparently unwilling to pass individual appropriations bills, which means chaos is the state of affairs in washington. i worry about the ramifications for our country. >> you just heard our conversation about the president's son hunter and the criminal charges file i.d. filed against him. he's always the center of countless republican probes.

what should democrats be doing right now? what is the pushback that you and your colleagues should be putting forth against all things hunter biden? >> i agree with mika about her articulation as to how democrats and my colleagues and i have responded to that news. that is simple this. the rule of law is sack row savnt in our country. i think the fact that the department of justice has pursued those charges search rebuffs the allegations of impropriety that republicans have made consistently, which are baseless. beyond that, i'm not going to opine on criminal indictment of a private individual. with respect to the impeachment inquiry, which as you know has not actually been formally

initiated by the house of representatives, notwithstanding speaker kevin mccarthy's statements just a week ago. clearly hunter biden is not the president. there has been no evidence of wrongdoing by president biden. so at the end of the day, i think the american people will understand that this is political theater and i think they expect us to do the basic work of governing. >> before you go, we know that u.s. federal firefighters are facing a pay cut and you'd like to do something about it. tell us about it. >> thanks for asking that question. again, another example of a core priority for us in the house. house democrats are working hard to ensure our firefighters are paid. thousands across the country absent congressional action will face up to a 50% pay cut in 15 days. that should be an unacceptable

outcome to every lawmaker. here in colorado we've been hit hard by wildfires in recent years. because of president biden, we were able to get across the finish line a pay increase in the infrastructure bill, which was historic in its own right. unfortunately, those provisions are expiing at the end of this month. so the president has committed a supplementary budget request. our firefighters are sacrificing themselves every day. we intend to make sure this gets done by the end of the month. >> jonah goose of colorado, thank you so much for being on. coming up on "morning joe," wisconsin's top prosecutor is suing to save the state's chief elections official after republicans voted to fire her. wisconsin attorney general will join us to talk about the legal

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the republican-controlled wisconsin state senate has voted to remove the state's top election official. megan wolf had been the nonpartisan official since 2018. the commission is a bipartisan board made up of three democrats and three republicans. yesterday, the state senate voted 22-11 along party lines to fire wolf. she's been the target of gop attacks since the 2020 election.

joe biden narrowly won wisconsin, prompting trump supporters to claim there was widespread fraud. their criticism on wolf's decision to expand ballot drop boxes and make a temporary adjustment to nursing home voting, both done because of the pandemic. now wisconsin's attorney general is filing a lawsuit to invalidate the vote and keep wolf in her position. and wisconsin attorney general josh kaul joins us now. first of all, do you think you can turn back the vote? what do you think happened here? was this the politics of trump at play? >> absolutely, it was. we have seen relentless attacks on our election officials in wisconsin for years now. what's really interesting is, going back to about 2015, wisconsin had a nationally recognized government accountability board that oversaw the administration of elections. republicans were unhappy with

them, so they replaced that board with what is now the wisconsin election commission. they then got rid of the first administrator of that commission. now they're going after the next administrator of the commission. the reality is that we have fair, free and accurate elections in wisconsin. we are often at the center of attention nationally about what's happening with our elections. we've had those results reviewed through recounts, through lawsuits. consistently what we've seen is our elections are administered effectively. because of election denialism, our election commissioners and the administrator have received negative blowback. we had a hearing recently where election denialism was running rampant. now even though there's no appointment of a new administrator and our state senate had no authority to act, the state senators in the republican party were so interested in putting their stamp of approval on this election denialism that they took a vote they didn't have authority for. so we filed suit.

i'm confident we are going to win and our administrator will remain in office moving forward. >> let's say you do win. does it fix the problem? is this part of a bigger picture problem? >> well, it will fix the immediate problem. there has been some uncertainty created because of the senate's action. i had written a letter the legislative counsel explaining this. they put out a letter agreeing they didn't have authority, and yet they moved forward. we have had consistent attacks on our democracy in wisconsin. at the same time this is happening, we're having a discussion about the potential impeachment of a state supreme court justice who was recently elected. pushing back, ensuring to protect democracy in wisconsin is critical. this lawsuit is one part of that

broader fight. >> general, i'm curious about the legal process here. my understanding is that the commission that this legislature created voted unanimously to keep this administrator in place, including the votes of republicans on that commission. is this going to be a challenge to the validity of the underlying statute that created the commission? or is this all going to be about these senators simply not having the legal authority to fire anybody that is a member of this commission? >> in terms of the case itself, the statutes require there be a majority for there to be an appointment in front of the senators they need to vote on. that didn't happen here. because of that, they don't have authority here. but to your point, republican

commissioners support this administrator. they voted in favor of her. so she's received bipartisan support. despite that, we have seen this effort to remove her from office. so i think it is fair to say there have been attacks on this commission. again, it's a commission that republicans in our state created less than a decade ago. what's really going on here is that republicans are unhappy with results of elections and rather than doing some self-reflection, they're going after the folks who are administering the elections. that is wrong and that's why we're standing up against this. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. we'll be following this. love to have you back. so, claire, you mentioned the new podcast you and jen are launching entitled "how to win 2024" but the title of your first episode is quiet something. what do you plan to do with this

conversation moving toward 2024 in this podcast? >> well, mostly we're going to say stuff we can't say on tv. it is really about breaking things down in a conversational way about winning and particularly winning next year not just the presidency, but also senate races and down ballot races. we're going to pull back the curtain and talk like we talk when we're texting each other, like we talk when we're off camera. i think it will be a wild ride. i think it's going to be a lot of fun. jen and i are probably going to push in a little football around the edges. maybe i'll do a little baking around the edges. but mostly it's going to be interesting to people to hear how people who have been in elections all their life look at these particular set of elections and how a winning position can be had. >> it's going to be candid, but

there's not any swearing. it's like political conversations without the adult supervision of lemire or mika moderating what claire and i say. the first episode, putting the ignatius column aside, it's true that a lot of democrats have a question about the president's age. claire and i break that down. we have steve kornacki helping us to show what the polls show that the bidens seem to be taking advantage of. then the first episode is called "kevin mccarthy is screwed." claire coined that in the course of the conversation. when you get past the freeout

people had this week triggered by the ignatius column about biden chances, you realize they are our best chance of beating donald trump. how it's really going to matter in terms of 2024 is what the house republicans started this week with the impeachment inquiry and facing a possible government shutdown. it will be super fun. people should listen. we have kornacki as our first guest. >> we should talk to you about the women's vote this year and how people are still underestimating. >> you're right. we always save america. claire mccaskill, thank you very much. i really appreciate it. coming up, major casinos in las vegas have been hit by hackers in recent weeks. the cyber attacks crippling

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caesars, the casino giant confirming it's fallen victim to a massive cyber attack, with hackers breaching their firewalls, the digital crooks hijacked critical data including social security and driver's license numbers for customers who signed up for its loyalty program. sources familiar with the matter tell cnbc the criminal cyber group demanded a $30 million ransom before the casino paid half of it. >> why is that data so important? >> because that data can be used by people that like to commit identity theft, to open new credit cards, to get driver's license, to get social security cards, to open a mortgage to take out loans. >> reporter: confirming the sensitive breach to the securities and exchange commission, caesars entertainment writing in part, we have taken steps to ensure that the stolen data is deleted by the unauthorized actor, although we cannot guarantee this result. caesars is one of at least two major hotels attacked by

hackers. just down the vegas strip at the mgm, slot machines suddenly went down this week and guests waited hours to check into rooms. >> it just throughout the day got worse and worse and worse. >> this has to be costing mgm millions of dollars an hour. >> reporter: with mgm saying they are working diligently to resolve our cybersecurity issue, the vegas breach even affecting one famous duo, amy poehler and maya rudolph making the best of it. the fbi is investigating if both attacks were coordinated by the same group and whether customer data from mgm has also been compromised. >> we don't encourage people to pay ransoms just simply because ransomware groups are not trustworthy, but because data is so sensitive and so valuable, oftentimes organizations have no choice. >> reporter: this morning a big gamble to protect stolen data, but it appears luck has run out

for two major casinos. >> nbc's miguel almaguer with that report. we'll be following that. so today is the first day of national hispanic heritage month, and to mark the occasion, second gentleman douglas emhoff will visit latina small owned businesses in washington, d.c., to highlight how bidenomics is delivering for latinos which has seen the largest single year decline in latino unemployment. joining us the chair of the board for the smithsonian, it's great to have you back on the show. tell us what you will be focusing on this month, both politically and historically. >> well, we're going to tell the story of our contributions to the country, tell great american stories and use this idea of a national museum of the american latino as our platform, as this

big educational institution. and of course we're going to continue the work of communicating to our community and talking about how important we have always been to this country, how important we are to the future of this country, to the past and to the economic stewardship of this country. >> so the second gentleman is highlighting the work this administration has done to help latino owned small businesses. and there's some worries among democrats that whether they'll retain, they'll turn out enough latinos and latina voters next year, and certainly we saw in 2020, at least in certain areas, south florida, there were some struggles. right now how good do you feel about that possibility? >> well, latinos elected joe biden and kamala harris, and i think we can do a better job of explaining how our -- how the policies of this administration are benefitting the latino community, and we will. and i think at the end of the day, people understand who really has their back and who doesn't. >> tell me what about -- i did not -- i was not aware until

today that the smithsonian was undertaking this national museum for the american latino. what's the time frame for it? when is it going to be into existence and built? >> you know, jen, this is a project of the latino community that extends back almost 40 years, and so over the course of those decades, we've been building curatorship in each of those museums. we've been putting exhibitions together, we've been building educational programs. now we're waiting, working closely with congress to secure our site, and once we've secured our site, we'll have a design competition for a beautiful building on the mall, and we'll continue to work with different smithsonian museums and with museums and cultural centers around the country for all of the people who may never come to washington, d.c., to experience a smithsonian museum. >> wonderful chairman of the woord of the national museum of the american latino, henry munoz, thank you very much for being on the show this morning

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