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13 hours old, but the uaw has a plan should it continue for months. and with the dow sinking today, is there a reason to worry a strike could take a bite out of the economy as a whole? plus, the diametrically opposed approaches to the new hunter biden indictment, less than an hour ago, the president ignoring a question about whether his son could be pardoned while we get first reaction from donald trump who then tied it to his own legal peril. nbc's exclusive interview with the former president is coming up. and a hearing coming up in our next hour for the ex-police officers who allegedly beat tyre nichols to death. the latest on when they may finally go to trial and what's next for federal charges, all of that coming up. but we begin with that historic strike, both sides dug in right now at least publicly for an historic standoff. three factory, one each for ford, gm, and chrysler are now
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idle, but the strange striking are busy on the picket lines fighting for higher wages. >> i mean, we got to fight for what we deserve, you know, like we're all here and we're doing this and we're going to fight until we get it. >> it hurts, you know, for us to come out here every day and struggle and bring home pennies, you know. >> this walkout with a potential to strike a tremendous economic blow to the car makers and those factory towns all across michigan, missouri, and ohio. it also presents real political peril for president biden who just a short time ago spoke from the roosevelt room. >> let's be clear, no one wants a strike. say it again, no one wants a strike. but i respect workers' rights to use their options under the collective bargaining system. and i understand the workers' frustration, over generations autoworkers sacrifice so much to
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keep the industry alive and strong, especially through the economic crisis and the pandemic. workers deserve a fair share of the benefits they helped create through an enterprise. the companies have made some significant offers, but i believe they should go further to ensure record corporate profits mean record contract thes for the uaw. record corporate profits, which they have, should be shared by record contracts for the uaw. >> president biden does find himself in a tricky spot, long known as union joe for his support of the working man, but also understanding the economic stakes of a protracted fight, and it's set up a political battle with republicans over the industry's transition to electric cars. nbc's jesse kirsch is reporting from wayne, michigan, outside a ford plant where workers are striking. also with us, julian castro, former hud secretary in the obama administration. good to have both of you here. so jesse, what are automakers saying about the negotiations, and what do we know about where it might go from here?
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>> reporter: yeah, chris, we just heard the president talking about wanting to see record contracts for uaw. we've spoken with the ceos of ford and gm in the last 24 hours, and they're pitching what they have put forward as their offers as historic offs on behalf of their companies. obviously there's still an impasse, both sides not coming to an agreement. one of the things that we continue to look for is if they can find agreement on pay. right now the big three automakers' offers are about half of what the uaw is demanding for their pay raise, the uaw wants a pay raise of 40% or 46% when compounded over four years. but what's been interesting for me in my conversations with the ceos of ford and gm over the last 24 hours, there's a lot of activity out here. we've had hockey and now there's some police in the area as well, i think just dealing with some traffic because there's a lot of activity going out here, a lot of people out here. the two conversations that i've
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had with the ceos, a place where i saw a bit of a difference was on the issue of the range of demands from the uaw. the uaw among their demands are pensions as well as retiree benefits, and i asked both ceos if these are remotely possible in this climate because the companies are already paying more for their labor than some of their competitors and on top of that, they're trying to move toward an electric future. the ceo of ford said the demands from the uaw would bankrupt the company. the ceo of gm tempered her comments a little more. here's what she said earlier, mary barra, about what gm is currently offering to the uaw. >> i think we have a very generous offer on the table right now. it's historic from a wage increase perspective, it's the most significant offer we've had on the table in our 115-year history. so i'm not going to bargain in the press, but we need to get there fast because this is not good for our employees. it's not good for the
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communities, their families, and for every gm job, there's six other jobs in the economy that depend on us running. so we got to get back to work. >> reporter: and while we're hearing that from a ceo, both gm and ford say that they did not receive their first substantive counteroffer from the uaw until late yesterday in the evening with just hours before the strike deadline. at the same time, the uaw has accused the automakers of dragging their feet on negotiations. so again, all of this continuing to be an impasse, and i can tell you, chris, we're not expecting this to end tonight at least because the uaw has suspended its negotiating for today because they say leadership is participating in the strike. chris. >> jesse, thank you for that. let me also bring in nbc's shaquille brewster who is on the picket line in toledo, ohio. so shaq, you shared a tweet of how workers learned of the strike plan. it was basically a text alert from the union.
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what has been the reaction you're hearing from the rank and file, and what are you hearing from leadership? >> reporter: yeah, and that picture you're looking at are right now, that was sent to a union president in kokomo, indiana. many of the people there thought they would be one of the targets, but they learned from that they would not be, so their strike plans were averted. that is not the case here in toledo, ohio, at this plant, one of the three plants that have been targeted in this first wave of strikes. what you're hearing from autoworkers who have been out here since midnight, they're taking shifts as they take to the picket line. this comes down to respect. yes, they are aware that they're demanding higher wages. they're demanding a better work life balance, a focus on retirement but for them it comes down to the idea that they're seeing other american workers and their wages increase at a higher rate than their own salaries. and then you hear this concept of tiers, the idea that in the factories, people are doing the same job and getting paid different amounts.
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some workers here said that is one of their top priorities. listen to a little bit of that conversation. >> the new people coming in are ses, they're called, supplemental employees. they're coming in at the same price mcdonald's is hiring. that's not a good living for them. jeep was always known, the big three was always known if you got in at jeep or gm or ford you were going to make a good living. >> reporter: you hear the automakers saying that essentially the demands that they've been receiving from the uaw are too much, that they can't sustain their business and meet the demands that workers are asking for, but i'll tell you when you talk to these workers, they understand, yes, a strike is hard, they're going to have $500 paychecks for the duration of this week but they say they're willing to have this fight because they want in their words a fair and strong contract. they feel like they've conceded enough over the past decade, and
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they believe this is a unique moment that they have to get what they believe they're due. >> shaq, thanks for that. so mr. secretary, let's talk about the politics of this, a tricky situation for president biden. "the new york times" put it this way, rarely do so many parts of a president's political identity collide in one place. his call for higher wages for the middle class, his unapologetic pro-union stand, his climate-driven push to reimagine an electric future for car companies, centered in michigan a state he must win in 2024 to remain in the oval office. what do you make of the statement we heard from him less than an hour ago? how's he doing at walking that tight rope, which, frankly, the longer this goes on, mary barra said it, the more fraught it becomes. >> so far so good, what you saw in his statement as that "new york times" write-up says, this president who has prided himself on being the most pro high
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temperature -- pro-union, pro-labor president, you saw him basically trying to pressure the companies to provide much better contracts for their workers. what he said is that record profits should mean record contracts for these uaw workers. so there's no question about which side he's on in terms o'ch of what he hopes will happen. it is a tricky balancing act. the longer this goes on, the more people's support may start to wane. fortunately these workers have the wind at their back. just last year there was the highest support level in a gallop poll for unions, the labor movement that we've seen since the 1960s. we've seen during these times everybody from starbucks baristas to actors and u.p.s. truck drivers, rail workers go on strike and with good effect, so for president biden, i think he's going to try and press these parties to negotiate.
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he said that he's sending gene spurling and another staffer to get out there and make sure they have their hands in this. that shows that he's actively involved trying to do something to bring about a resolution. i think that's politically important as well, and i think the white house's hope is that now that it's in crunch time they're going to come to a good deal that's going to reward workers and get people back to work. >> he also as you listened to him speak, brought up the transition to cleaner energy, which means electric vehicles. and i just want to do a little background here. his administration has enacted billions in subsidies to create new manufacturing jobs. the uaw wants folks who work in those electric battery plants to make the same money as union members do, and that's allowed republicans to argue that the president's clean energy policies are costing american jobs, raising prices for consumers. is it clear who wins that battle with voters? >> well, and you saw in the clip
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last hour that kristen welker, the interview she had with donald trump, donald trump went right that the point saying he -- according to donald trump, he says, well, the uaw leadership is leading their members afoul because basically they're going to get a raw deal as we move to electric vehicles, which is not true. it's not the case, and the pat has also addressed trying to strike that balance ensuring there are good wages and benefits for people who work in the clean energy economy. and so for right now, i think that that's a secondary issue to the immediate issue of resolving this contract dispute between the uaw and the big three. i'd say the workers have a lot of support out there among the american people. finally, as "the new york times" write-up mentioned that you displayed, this is going on in important states in michigan, in ohio that have senate races and are also one of -- or a couple
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of the from michigan's case, six states where the presidential election is going to be determined in terms of the electoral votes. so the stakes are high not just for the workers, not only for the big three, but also politically for president biden, for senator sherrod brown, and for others, and that's why you saw gary peters out there as well. he understands the stakes there politically too. >> julian castro, jesse kirsch and shaq brewster, thank you so much. two new events for president biden, how the white house is responding when we're back in 60 seconds. when we're back in 60 seconds. ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) with verizon business, we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) so our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) it's not just a network. it's enterprise intelligence.
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polarizing re-election campaign and dealing a personal blow as well. hunter biden's legal team is arguing that the decision to seek criminal charges is itself political and additional tax-related charges are expected in the coming weeks. nbc's garrett haake has been following all of this from d.c. brendan buck is a former aide to house speaker paul ryan and john boehner as well as an msnbc political analyst, carol lam is a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. so garrett, talk about the politics of all this. i wonder what you're hearing in d.c., have we heard anything from either the white house or the biden campaign? >> well, democrats and republicans alike can see that these charges have absolutely nothing to do with joe biden. jim comer who's leading the oversight committee said as much yesterday. it a's bit of a political rorschach test with democrats arguing that it proves there is no two-tiered justice system.
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if someone as powerful and connected as the son of the current president can face charges the system must work. conspiracy minded house republicans see this as proof that the doj is somehow shielding hunter biden from anything that might connect him with his father. the white house, they've been relatively quiet about this. i think that's part of the strategy. they want to both separate joe biden from hunter biden on any of these things if they can, and they don't want the president of the united states to elevate this issue by talking about it much publicly. this is a hunter biden problem, and they don't want to feed into the kind of word cloud that surrounds anything having to do with hunter biden blowing back on joe biden. >> to that point, brendan, among democrats there was real disagreement about how the president should handle this. is it enough to say i love my son, or does he need to go further? does he need to express support for the justice system?
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does he need to say something about the accusations against his son? >> yeah, i think at some point he's going to have to. it feels like a real blind spot for the president. i understand why, it's his son. to the extent that republicans have been trying to prove something that they haven't wret been able to prove, i do think it's important every once in a while to stop and appreciate that hunter biden was clearly involved in some things that were unseemly. it may not be illegal, we'll have to see what happens there. he was very clearly doing things he should not have been doing and were potentially unethical. and democrats have a big decision to make, you know, are they going to somehow try to defend hunter biden as a way to defend joe biden? i think that's a really big mistake, and you're actually starting to see a lot of democrats be willing to effectively throw hunter biden to the sharks because he is not somebody who you want to be defending and drawing that clear line is going to be really, really important. you can make the argument that joe biden has not been implicated in any of this without defending hunter biden. i don't think you want to go down that road, and i think they're going to continue to find that he was acting in a way that he should not have been,
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but it's a really difficult balance for them to walk. >> and carol, as you know, there are legal minds and political minds both who say that what hunter biden did may have been unethical, but it was not illegal. our justice correspondent ken dilanian says sources are telling him that hunter biden's lawyers will indeed try to negotiate another plea deal after that first one fell apart. where do you see this case going next? >> yeah, chris, i wouldn't be surprised at all if negotiations continue. in fact, plea negotiations can continue to go on pre-indictment, post-indictment, even during a trial you can have plea negotiations going on. it seems pretty clear to me that david weiss, the special counsel, brought these gun charges because he wants to keep his options open, and with a statute of limitations about to run in october, he had to make a decision. he had to decide whether to let those charges expire or whether to go ahead and bring the indictment and keep his options
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open, to use those firearms charges either as leverage to perhaps down the road have hunter biden decide that it was worth it to plead to some sort of tax charge or whether to go ahead and take him to trial on the firearms charges. but if he did not act as he did yesterday, those charges would have gone away in october, and i think that would have been problematic for david weiss. >> the question of this controversy came up when the new moderator of "meet the press " kristen welker got a chance to sit down with the former president. let's listen to part of that conversation. >> let's talk about the breaking news today, we learned just a short time ago that the president's son hunter biden was indicted by a federal grand jury on three gun charges. given that, mr. president, can you continue to say that there are two systems of justice? >> well, i think there's no question about it. he had a plea deal that was the
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deal of the century. the art of the deal, you could write a book on it. the art of the deal and all of a sudden that was broken up by a judge who was able to -- a brilliant judge actually, who was able to see through what was happening, and it's a sad situation. i mean, nobody should be happy about this. i'm not happy about it. nobody is. it's a very sad thing and so bad for our country. but you know, if you think about it, i've been under investigation from the day i came down the escalator, phony investigation, fake investigations, investigations that i beat every single time. still under investigations. but it's a very sad thing, and it's a slippery slope. and dangerous, very dangerous for our country. >> i'm curious, brendan, about your reaction to his reaction, but also how deep you think the political peril might be for either side resulting from this indictment. >> yeah, well, first of all, let me say i'm excited for kristen welker's first day as moderator
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of "meet the press." republicans and donald trump are never going to be satisfied until they find evidence that hunter biden was funneling money to his father and his father was somehow involved in this. you can ignore the indictments on gun charges because that doesn't prove that point, and they are going to see any lack of evidence as evidence of a cover-up. until they have that, that's all they're going to be talking about. i do think that even if they don't find that evidence, i think the train is fully on the tracks for impeachment. the fact that kevin mccarthy has put jim jordan and a couple other chairmen in charge of this tells me this does not end without articles of impeachment coming to the floor, whether or not they're able to pass those are going to be another question. i think maybe moderates willingness to stand up to that is the only thing that could prevent it. >> what is next for the house investigations into hunter biden now that mccarthy has announced the impeachment inquiry. >> james comer is at the controls now. he's going to go more aggressively after bank records for hunter biden and james
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biden, the president's brother, and he said that he was going to try to have a hearing under the impeachment inquiry umbrella sometime this month in the month of september. i'm not sure how that's going to come together in the time we have remaining, especially given everything else that the house is trying to do. the efforts to go after these bank records are really central to the house republican impeachment effort. to brendan's point, it's all about linking what is sort of conceded to be hunter biden's foreign business dealings of a sketchy nature, anything to joe biden specifically, how republicans believe those bank records hold the key. right now they don't have them or the evidence that puts these two facts together. >> let me ask you, we have a little bit of breaking news here, garrett, i think somebody handed this to you, so maybe you've had 15 seconds to digest it, but twitter has turned over -- or i guess x, what was twitter at the time, 32 direct messages from donald trump's account. this was from earlier this year, we're just learning about it. put this into context for us.
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>> it's always important to read the fine print in these filings. we knew some time ago that the special counsel's office had reached out to twitter. they had asked for a ton of data related to the former president's account up to january 6th, of course after which he was kicked off the platform temporarily. twitter had complied with that request, has turned over a ton of data after a back and forth legal fight, much of which happened under seal, and among the information they turned over were these 32 direct messages from the real donald trump twitter account. i think what's most interesting about this is we know so much, perhaps more than most people would like to, about donald trump's twitter habits from the last several years. but he's not known to have been someone who used that function to send and receive direct messages on the account. what was he writing and to whom was he writing them? was someone ghost writing them for him? all questions we don't have answers to. all things we could perhaps learn if there's relevant evidence inside those dms. >> carol lam, brendan buck, garrett haake, thank you all. and i'm going to echo with a little bit of this we're excited
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for our friend kristen with her new job. and kristen welker's full interview with the former president trump will air on sunday. her first day as moderator of "meet the press." that same invitation to sit down with kristen has been extended to president biden. the verdict is in for three defendants charged in the kidnapping plot against michigan governor gretchen whitmer. the emotional scene today in the courtroom. plus, republican presidential hopefuls courting the christian conservative vote. the dueling trump and desantis campaign events this weekend. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. "chris jg reports" only on msnbc sus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer,
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we're following breaking news out of michigan where a jury has just cleared three men charged in the plot to kidnap governor gretchen whitmer. >> what is your verdict? >> not guilty, your honor. >> when that verdict was read, there were gasps in the courtroom. tears and hugging among the acquitted defendants. that was just about two hours ago. it is the last trial related to the 2020 scheme to kidnap governor whitmer. nine other men were convicted in prior cases. as of today, a total of five have been cleared. nbc's antonia hylton has been following the developments for us. i'm also joined by civil rights attorney and former prosecutor david henderson who is an msnbc legal analyst.
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antonia, good to see you. what charges did these guys face, and what do we know about the evidence? was it a complete shock that they were cleared here? >> well, chris, they were approved of providing material support for terrorist acts as part of this broader plot. back in 2020, this group the wolverine watchmen, a sprawling militia group associated with right wing movements and political ideologies, they were accused by authorities of planning to kidnap the governor, and these specific men who were acquitted today, these three men, they were on the sort of outskirts of the plan. not the central actors here. so in that sense it's not as much of a surprise, although what they were accused of doing is casing governor whitmer's property, taking part in some militia drills. they argued they weren't aware of the full scope of the plot or purpose of the plot until much later. throughout all the trials, we've
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seen defense attorneys bring forth evidence that the fbi has planted inappropriate informants and at times made mistakes in the process, and in some ways they allege even pushed the men involved in this to commit the crime themselves. and so that's some of what has complicated the narrative here. as you mentioned, nine people already either pled guilty or were convicted, and these three now make it a total of five who are acquitted and not guilty. >> david, given the evidence in total and obviously antonia just gave us a pretty great lay of the land. what's your reaction to the acquittals? >> chris, i'm not shocked. the reason i said that, historically in my experience and i've tried somewhere between 70 and 80 cases, it's really hard to get a jury to convict if the person on trial isn't directly connectible to the harm or was not in the room when it happened. parking lot of the reason why this shocks our sensibilities is because we see so many cases in the news that are directly related to people supporting wrongful activity, conspiracy charges like the rico charges
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coming out of georgia where these men would definitely be guilty underneath those laws. but when you actually present the cases to a jury, what they value goes a long way in terms of determining who they're actually going to convict. in that regard, some of the arguments they offered like them being angry about the government, angry at police, and a jury discounting those is surprising in this context. >> antonia hylton, thank you so much. come back on when your new book comes out, will you? and david you're going to stick with me. there's another big legal case we're watching a half hour from now in memphis, tennessee. at least three of the five former police officers who are charged in the death of tyre nichols are expected to appear in court. state prosecutors want to try all of the ex-cops together, but today at least three of them are expected to ask for separate trials. so david, what's the argument for separating defendants typically? i mean, we're just seeing this, but in a much more sprawling rico case, right?
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what is a compelling reason to separate defendants in a case like that? >> chris, in a nutshell, the argument is my guy wasn't that involved. and it's hard to say that in a case here where officers are accused of beating a young man to death as a mob. but that's what they're trying to to. what you have to ask yourself is, look, is it possible to try one of them without telling the story of everybody else who was directly involved? the only individual i've seen who makes a clear argument along those lines is defendant miller. he's like, listen, i wasn't at the traffic stop. therefore, my circumstances are different. but really, you can't separate out what he did from what everybody else did that contributed to tyre's death. >> and separate from the state's case, david, this week a grand jury indicted the ex-officers on federal charges of excessive force, deliberate indifference, and witness tampering. is there a case between the two of these that take precedence? does one case impact the other? how does this work? >> it remains to be determined,
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chris, it's really up to the prosecutors. we can look at prior cases and how the feds dealt with defendants in this context. i think the most notable example is derek chauvin who murdered george floyd. he went to trial first in minnesota, and after he was convicted in minnesota, he basically cut a deal for federal charges in order to go and serve the same amount of time. we saw a similar trend with the mcmichaels who murdered ahmaud arbery, even though they weren't police officers. the officers face prosecution in tennessee, and then the feds come around and either offer them the opportunity to make a deal or they face a second trial. the reason i speak so conclusion ichly is because the evidence is so strong against them here. the worst-case scenario for the prosecutors, they lose in tennessee and federal authorities get a second bite at the apple in federal court where the stakes for these officers are even higher because they can get up to life in federal court whereas they're facing 50 to 60 in state court. >> david henderson, always good to have you on the show, thank you. large and dangerous, the
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history of racism and violence against black americans. in a speech at a birmingham, alabama, church where a 1963 bombing killed four young black girls, the first black woman to sit on the nation's highest court said she came to commemorate and mourn, to celebrate and warn. >> if we're going to continue to move forward as a nation, we cannot allow concerns about discomfort to displace knowledge, truth, or history. it is certainly the case that parts of this country's story can be hard to think about. we cannot forget because the uncomfortable lessons are often the ones that teach us the most about ourselves. [ applause ] we cannot forget because we cannot learn from past mistakes we do not know exist.
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>> justice jackson also made clear the importance of facts and history in education at a time when some school districts are banning books that distort the history of racism. a wide coastal stretch of new england and parts of canada preparing for impact with hurricane lee, which is now barrelling north along the atlantic coast. at the request of maine's governor, president biden has preemptively declared a federal state of emergency. the national weather service has posted tropical storm warnings ahead of landfall, and the big concern in massachusetts is cape cod, facing high winds and storm surges. joining us now nbc meteorologist bill karins, what are we expecting? when are the weather conditions going to really hit? how worried should people be? >> it's going to be like a huge nor'easter minus the snow, of course. that's what a lot of people in new england have been through many storms. if you call it a tropical storm or a hurricane, you get their
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attention definitely, but we don't have a lot of people or really any evacuating or anything like that. the worst that's going to happen is trees falling on homes, vehicles, power outages that could last a couple of days, especially in areas of coastal maine and down east maine. that's really the main concern as we go throughout the next 36 hours. so the storm itself, this is going to be the path. actually, it's going to head towards yarmuth into nova scotia. you can see it's about 200 miles from this line all the way to the new england coast. it's a glancing blow for a lot of areas, especially boston, portsmouth, to augusta, maine. it may not even rain that much for you. for areas on cape cod because you stick out here in the gulf of maine a little bit here, you do have a better chance of getting some of those stronger winds and also a little more in the addition of rain. the cloud shield, by the way, if you're outside in new york city or hartford or anywhere in connecticut, albany, vermont, the clouds you're looking at in the sky are from hurricane lee. the rain shield is still well off the coast. this should move towards nantucket later this evening.
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winds are starting to pick up. we've got 40 miles an hour gusts in nantucket. a storm is on the way. everybody else, the winds are a little lighter. here are the impacts we're going to expect over the next 36 hours. this should be the peak winds, on the cape somewhere around 60, shouldn't cause too much damage. in maine it's been raining a lot and 50 to 70 miles per hour gusts with soil that's saturated, some trees may topple over that typically wouldn't with wind gusts like that. the rainfall no big deal at all, boston, maybe an inch on the cape. down east maine that's where we could seed a little bit of flooding. storm surge, we're not too concerned about it, high tide 1:00 a.m. tonight in the bay from sandwich to brewster. that's about it as far as the impacts go. i think most people are going to say this could have been a lot worse when it's all said and done. >> bill karins, have a great weekend, thank you, my friend. and still ahead, courting christian conservatives, the republican candidates at dueling events in d.c. where the pressure is on to stand
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lgbtq laws, book bans, and control of education in general. those topics are at the forefront as the gop presidential candidates court christian conservatives at dueling events today in d.c. the concerned women for america summit and the family research council's pray, vote, stand event set up a competition to win over powerful allies, the kinds of grass roots support and dedicated volunteers that are critical for campaigns. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us from the pray, vote, stand event in washington, d.c. just talk a little bit more about the role christian conservatives have played, obviously, in the past, but we expect them to play in 2024's primary? >> reporter: right, i mean, if you go back to 2016, chris, they were key to propelling donald trump to the nomination. particularly in the state of south carolina where he handily defeated ted cruz and eliminated the concept that donald trump would not be able to win over
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evangelicals. over the last eight years we've consistently heard from those very voters that he delivered on the successes that he promised, particularly around the supreme court, nominating three conservatives to the supreme court who helped ultimately overturn overturn roe v. wade as well as decide on a litany of other cases that conservatives were keen and appreciative of. i want to let you hear from a few of the folks we talked to here, particularly tony perkins a long time social conservative leader. when i asked him about this race ahead, take a listen. >> the media and others, the left that continues to attack and thinks they're going to drive evangelical voters away from him, they're pushing them toward him because they have that in common. they feel the hostility in the culture themselves. >> >> reporter: have the indictments of donald trump moved you at all away from him?
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>> it's moved me closer. >> reporter: why? >> i feel what the democrats are doing is railroading him. >> the policies he would be able to put forward as president, those outweigh whatever convictions may come. >> for me it does, yeah. >> reporter: and, chris, in iowa and in south carolina, fox news polling from the summer showed that donald trump was maintaining 50% support among evangelicals in both of those states. mike pence, the former vice president is about to take the stage in a couple of minutes. we're four months away from the iowa caucus. it's game time for these candidates to begin to make end roads. >> can we go back to abortion. donald trump is at both events. both groups are known for their staunch opposition to abortion. you heard the statement about the supreme court, but as the ap points out, trump's failure to back a national abortion ban doesn't seem to be registering a blip any more than possible convictions or charges against him have with the folks you just
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talked to. i mean, did they say thinking anything about the fact that he's not supporting a national abortion ban? >> no, to answer your question, chris, several folks we talked to said, yes, they are supportive of a federal abortion ban. they believe that donald trump were he to get into office would ultimately deliver for their evangelical causes, and for them, you know, it was not only tony perkins but missouri senator josh hawley was on stage touting donald trump's presidency and the supreme court he was able to all but build, and ron desantis actually as of this moment has a same position on federal abortion ban, having not said that he would sign one either. mike pence on the contrary is vocally talked about a six-week federal abortion ban. nikki haley is something who said this is a difficult conversation, especially because it would take 60 senators to agree to such a ban.
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but when you look at, you know, what has happened over the last 50 years, it was tony perkins who told me that it was a five decade long battle to get to this point in which they can begin to have these conversations in state legislatures among governors about abortion legislation, and that is a victory in itself, and none of that would have been possible without donald trump. one other note, chris, is that nine of the republicans will be heading to the iowa faith and freedom coalition to talk to more evangelicals tomorrow. donald trump will notably not be there. this is where one of these opportunities on this stage to address this crowd. >> reporter:. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. planned parenthood says it will resume abortion care services next week, more than a year after suspending them. those services had stopped after roe v. wade was overturned creating confusion over a state law that dates back to the 1800s and appeared to ban the procedure. a judge later ruled that was not
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keefer sutherland and kevin bacon revisited their sins. mary curren hack et experienced none of those things. >> it was like almost going home, and there was nothing to be afraid of. >> the cincinnati writer's heart stopped for several minutes in the hospital in 2004. >> i could see everything, feel everything, hear everything, even though i know now i was medically dying. i felt an overwhelming rush and almost a pressure being pulled, like almost a force field being pulled back into my body, then i woke up and saw the doctors that i had been seeing working on me. >> experience like hackett's part of a scientific study published, people who went into cardiac arrest and brought back to life by cpr, almost 40% had a recollection of dying. nyu's dr. sam parnia is the lead researcher.
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>> we found signs of normal brain electrical activity that is consistent with the types of things we all have when we're fully conscious. >> what does your study show about what happens to the brain after the heart stops. >> after the heart stops, the brain does not die, it hibernates and shows the ability to recover an hour long afterwards. >> reporter: parnia and hackett are working on a book. hoping it will make us think gl if you talk about how you're going to die or what's going to happen when you die, it frames how you are going to live, and what could be more impactful. >> reporter: as science tries to unlock the mystery of death. anne thompson, nbc news. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, the historic
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