and whether the pentagon can do anything going forward, or maybe could have done something about it at the time late last year, chris. >> courtney kube, to be continued, thank you so much. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you, i'm katy tur. how long is this going to last, and how ugly will it get with united auto workers striking against the big three auto makers at the same time. the what happens next is anyone's guess. that's because there are so many different consequences this strike could have. does it force the auto companies to pay more? if so, does it inspire more labor fights around the country? a push to close the gap between ceos and their workers. a redefinition of who should get

what. or do the big three say, so long, we're moving our plans to states or countries without unions. and what does a strike do to the next election cycle? it's all happening in the upper midwest. does the blue wall hold again? it's going to depend a lot on who those union workers see as their ally. they went for donald trump in 2016. then joe biden in 2020. who do they think is on their side this time? biden spoke directly to negotiations today, and white house aides hope the union sees him for what he says he is. union joe. a guy who believes in correcting the system and empowering workers. we also have new reaction from former president trump. he, on the other hand, is siding with the big three, sort of. saying the union won't have any jobs left with leadership like uaw president shawn fain. fain, by the way, is the first

democratically elected president of that union, and here is how he frames this fight. >> there's a serious double standard in this country right now. there's a billionaire class and the rest of us. we're all expected to sit back and take the scraps and live paycheck to paycheck, and scrape to get by. we're second class citizens, and the sad reality is, you know, when corporations fail, we pay the price. our workers pay the price. we made all the sacrifice in the great recession, and, you know, the sad reality is they have had a decade of record profits. when they're profitable, it's all theirs, they want to keep it all. >> that last big variable, by the way, is what this strike could mean for all of us. what will a week long outage do to the economy, what about a month, and what happens if it's longer than that. we have what economists are saying on that. joining us now is nbc news correspondent, shaquille brewster, with picketers, and national affairs correspondent

at the nation, johnny kols, nbc news business and data reporter on the economy brian cheung will join us in a moment. you are on the picket line, set the scene for us. >> reporter: you have picketers, union members, saying they are ready to be out here as long as it takes. there's no doubt about it, they don't want to be out here. they tell you that repeatedly. they don't want to be out here. they would like to be making their full wages, but they're saying they feel like they have no choice. they don't feel like they're being respected. we know the sticking points for this negotiation. a lot of it deals with wages, retirement, the tears, the idea that you have people working the same job but getting a different pay. there's work life balance. all of that is important to them. this idea of respect, that they're watching other workers in other sectors of the economy, see their wages increase, but their wages as auto workers have not gone at that same clip. i want you to listen to a conversation you had with one of

the union members here. we talked about the latest proposal out there from ford, from gm, with a 20% pay increase. listen to why he said, that's not satisfying to him. >> you know, it wasn't just the 20%. it's everything that goes along with it, job security, it's not just the money. the job security and all that stuff. everyone from the outside is looking in, thinking we're greedy and we want more money. that's not what it is. we want job security, and health insurance, we want all the good stuff. >> reporter: now, the auto makers are saying they're disappointed by this strike. they talk about the damage that it can have. they say that impact could be seen immediately. when pressed on that, they're not giving a specific time frame, whether that's days, weeks, or needs to extend into months until consumers really start to feel it. in terms of this negotiation

time line, there is no bargaining, uaw confirms, that they said all three auto makers, a comprehensive counter proposal, they sent that yesterday, and they expect those negotiations to begin. you can expect the sacrifices that these workers are making to extend into the weekend and potentially expand beyond the three plants that have already been targeted. >> this feels like a real moment for organized labor. you have the wga and sag-aftra who are currently on strike, port workers were on strike for a time. ups came close to a strike. so did rail workers, starbucks shops are unionizing. amazon warehouses are unionizing. what is happening and why right now? >> there's a lot of factors in play, katy, and i think you begin with the reality of the pandemic. the pandemic was a shock wave through our society. and one of the things it did was

to show workers that they make a lot of sacrifices, but they don't necessarily get benefits from that. and so i think the pandemic has unleashed a lot of labor activity in this country. with the uaw, i think it's important to understand that this goes back much further. this is a union, and the members of this union, that really sacrificed in order to save the industry back in 2008, 2009, and there's been a lot of internal education. these people know what they gave up, and so as the worker that was interviewed there said, they're not just talking about wages. they're talking about a lot of other issues including issues related to the long-term future of their industry. there are real concerns about how the industry is changing, with not just trade policy but the introduction of the electric vehicles and things of that nature, and so basically what they're demanding is a place at the table that allows them to have a real role in defining the future of an industry where they work and that has a huge impact

on their communities. >> i think what you're really hitting the nail on the head there when it comes to what happened 15 years ago, that the big three auto makers were in dire straits, on the verge of bankruptcy, they opened their books to the union leaders and, they said, see, look, it's bad. help us. and the union leaders said, okay, we will, and they made huge concessions, gave back a lot of their benefit package, gave back pensions for a lot of workers. they did a two-tier system. it was not great for them. they did it on behalf of the company. there have been record companies since then, and now they're saying we want a piece of that. what they're asking for, the auto companies say it's too much, that ford says it will put them into bankruptcy, number one, and number two, and part of the reason they say it's too much is because when they pay that much for labor, they are less competitive with companies that don't have those sorts of labor demands. they're less competitive with foreign companies, even some domestic companies who don't have unionized workers,

especially those on the ev front like tesla. >> yeah, look, all of these things come into play. here's the bottom line. these corporations have reported tens of billions of dollars in profits. they are making immense amounts of money for their ceos and stock hold ergs. -- holders. they're a part of business. what the workers are saying is they keep being told there's never enough money for them, so when they were asked to sacrifice, of course they sacrificed. you know, as we've gone through all of these years, when we went through covid and the challenges related to that, they sacrificed. you're at a point, record profits this year for these three companies, and they're being told, we don't have the money for you. >> how long will the record profits last? their argument, and not taking anyone's side here, but their argument is, hey, listen, we're not entirely sure that it's going to continue to be this rich for an extended future.

>> look, this is always the challenge in any labor negotiation. i have covered labor negotiations for a very very long time. the company always cries poverty, and says if you push too hard, we're going to go out of business or something like that. the workers push for what they see as a fair settlement. in this case, i think the bottom line is these workers are very conscious of their situation. they haven't been let out by their union leadership without a lot of information. shawn fain was elected to do this strike. he was elected to not necessarily strike but demand enough if there was a need for a strike, it would happen. there's a lot of support from these workers for this struggle , and as negotiations go forward, i think there's going to be a lot of pressure on the companies to find ways to give at least significantly more than what they've given so far. >> i want to get into the politics in a second. i want to bring in our data

reporter brian cheung to this conversation to just show us some of the costs associated with this strike. brian, can you break down what this means for a week, a month, longer than that. >> one estimate from goldman sachs estimates that the revenue costs to gm and ford would be about 2 1/2 billion dollars for gm, and $3 billion for ford, for every week that this lasts. again, that's because you wouldn't have cars coming off the plan. now, some of those assumptions might be for a wholesale strike, with one plant at each of the auto makers. we have to remember that's one week. over course of a month, it could be $10 billion for general motors, $12 billion for ford, stellantis is a little hard to estimate because of the fact they're based in amsterdam. broadly speaking if you're taking a look at the math, thinking about how the corporate ceos are going, okay, well, it might cost us less if we just pay out the 40% that they're

asking, depending on the length of this strike, and the reason for that is because, again, there's a modeling that shows how much it would cost to pay that 40% increase, and that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 1/2 to 5 to $6 billion for each of these companies which could be less than a four-week strike, perhaps. >> and the length of the union contract. what about the broader economy. >> this is not going to tilt us into recession. another estimate from goldman estimates that the impact to gdp, which is one measure of economic growth would be about .05 to .1 percentage points. it wouldn't go into a recession. of course the auto industry is a big part of the overall economy. we have to remember that this employs thousands of people, there are ripple effects to the parts makers, for example, it's not just those three big names that are impacted by this strike. again, it's going to depend on the scope of this. one thing about the uaw strategy is they could ratchet up the amount of plants they're striking out, which could have a sharper economic impact than what we're modeling out.

>> in talking about the politics of this, there was gallop polling you referenced in a piece you did recently about who supports these united auto workers within the country. 75% of americans according to this gallop poll done right before labor day say that they support a walkout by the uaw. 19% support the u.s. auto companies. politically speaking, joe biden has been trying to align himself with unionized workers. it's part of who he is, part of how he's always depicted himself. president trump is also out there trying to say that he's the one that these workers should vote for, he'll turn their lives around. he was asked by kristen welker, the new moderator of meet the the press about the strike. i want to play part of the conversation that will be aired in extended version this sunday

on "meet the press." >> let's talk about the economy. and i want to start by talking about this big standoff between the auto workers and the big three auto manufacturers. my question for you, mr. president, whose side are you on in this? >> i'm on the side of making our country great. the auto workers are not going to have any jobs when you come right down to it. because if you take a look at what they're doing with electric cars. electric cars are going to be made in china. the auto workers, i'll tell you what, the auto workers are being sold down the river by their leadership, and their leadership should endorse trump. the reason is you got to have choice. like in school, i want school choice, i also want choice for cars. if somebody wants gasoline, all electric, they can do whatever they want, but they're destroying the consumer, and they're destroying the auto workers. the auto workers will not have any jobs, kristen, because all of these jobs are going to be made in china. the electric cars automatically

are going to be made in china. >> let's talk about uaw's leadership, the president, shawn fain has withheld his endorsement of president biden. this is what he has to say about you. another donald trump presidency would be a disaster. how would you win that endorsement? >> i don't know the gentleman, i know his name well, and i think he's not doing a good job in representing his union. he's not going to have a union in three years from now. those jobs are all going to be gone because all of those electric cars are going to be made in china. >> voters had the same in 2020. rep debbie dingell says those auto workers, unionized workers in the upper midwest went with donald trump in 2019, because they felt democrats abandoned them. some went back to joe biden, the democrats in 2020. where do you think things stands now politically speaking? >> sure, i mean, it's interesting that this strike is playing out in battle ground

states, right, in some of the states that you have covered so well over the years, and you cover campaigns, states like michigan, ohio, and a number of others. one thing to understand is that these workers really do know the issues that are in play. donald trump isn't telling them something they don't know. this is a strike that relates a great deal to the development of electric vehicles, and the question of whether electric vehicles, which by the way, are going to be made substantially in the u.s., not in china. they're going to be made in the u.s. the question is where they will be made in the u.s. will they be made in unionized plants in traditional industrial centers or made in other places, and one of the things that the union is look for is a lot more clarity as regarding those issues. joe biden, because the u.s. government is so related, closely related to the auto industry, going back to the bailout and to the, you know,

everything we saw in 2008, 2009, but then coming into the current moment, this federal government is driving a lot of that ev development. they're driving a lot of the new technology with investments, with encouragements, incentives, and so, for biden, what he needs to do is to make sure that the industry and the union both have a sense of how this government engagement is going to play. that's a very delicate thing to do. seen as putting his his thumb too hard on the scale or the vision that donald trump brought that out there, that's not going to go over well with the workers. on the other hand, if he's seen us coming in and trying to make sure that workers have a place that do their job in the future in these industrial states it could help them. >> john nichols, thank you very much, shaq brewster, brian cheung, i appreciate it. michigan representative rashida tlaib joined the picket line earlier today. she joins me next.

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you need sinex saline from vicks. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! joining us now is rashida tlaib, on the picket line in wayne, michigan, earlier today. thank you very much for joining us. why did you decide to join the line? >> because i'm the daughter of the uaw. my dad came to the united states at 19 years old with only 4th grade education. different ethnicity, different faith than many of the folks that were in his community, was able to find human dignity in the workplace on the line at ford motor company because he was part of a larger family

called the uaw, and it was for me a no brainer. it is not even, you know, folks ask me which side i'm on. i'm absolutely on the side of the uaw, i'm one of the 14 children in my family and folks ask all the time, how did i get straight. it's because of the uaw that my family got dental care, and my dad was able to retire with human dignity. >> do you think that there's a compromise to be had here? is there room for agreement between the union and big three auto makers? >> absolutely. i mean, look, i don't know what compromise, you know, folks' definition, especially corporations tend to have a different definition for it. i can tell you this, much of what's missing in this contract has been part of contracts since 1948, for instance, cost of living adjustment, every single uaw contract had cola in it until 2009 when the united auto makers came together, and said we're going to help you, you big

three stay afloat. we didn't have a tier system, you know, the majority of uaw workers today, do not have a pension. i mean, it's completely immoral and just wrong on the parts of the big three, the fact that now all of a sudden with record profits, they're leaving the same workers that sacrifice the most behind. >> one of the big issues is what the workers gave away 15 years ago when the companies needed most and what the companies are now making and they cite ceo pay as one of the reasons why they're asking for a 40% raise over four years, they say these ceos are making a 40% raise, and they should get that as well. do you think president biden, this administration, should get involved on that note specifically? >> i mean, look, i think for any elected person that's supposed to be, you know, get elected by the american people, you have to be on the side of people, not profits, and so i know president biden is with us. he did not help bail out the big three so that they can screw

over workers, and i know this much, i think, you know, having the big three ceos make 300 times more than their own workers is a complete failure on the part of the company. why would you move towards that direction, and all of a sudden, when folks are saying, look, i'm doing the same job as the guy down the line, the woman on that end, doing the same exact jock, but you know what, we're going to pay you less and you're not going to vest in any kind of, you know, benefits or anything like that. no one who signed up and folks that have been serving in congress before me were there when everyone came together to do everything possible to make sure the big three stayed afloat, that they were going to pit workers together. that they were going to literally leave retirees behind. it's not what people signed up for. >> are you worried about the big three moving the plants from these unionized states, the upper midwest to places where the unions don't exist? are you worried about these jobs just disappearing? >> the interesting thing, it's

already happening. that's the problem. what i mean by that is this, as folks are trying to do electric vehicles and the investment that the majority of it's going to come from the american people when we do this transition. they are already trying to go around to make sure that these plants are not union, saying you know what, i have a third-party venture here, unfortunately it's not going fob union jobs. for me, if anything, this, the fact that they're out there striking right now because the big three showed their true face. they don't want to bring the workers that, again, are the reason they're making record profits, bring them along with them as they look at electric vehicle transition, other kinds of movement towards a green economy, so, you know, it is very important to understand this, the scare tactics, they kept doing it over and over again for our folks, gaslighting folks, but the fact of the matter is, not even what, this past month, they did shareholder payouts, they seem to be fine and moving in a direction that, hey, the workers are fine,

they're living check by check, really, i have never heard the kind of stories ever in the time that i have in 2009 to now, of folks taking ten years to get on top of third tiers, the fact that literally, one person told me they have to work seven days a week in the plant to make ends meet to pay for the same vehicle that they're helping build. they can't afford it because the big three increased it by almost 30%. they're price gouging, making all of this money, and they're leaving the people, again, to help build those vehicles. again, the american people didn't sign up to bail them out and keep them afloat so they can just make more money for themselves and lever the workers behind. >> forgive me for interrupting. we have limited time, and i want to get this in. "meet the press" new moderator, kristen welk talked to the president about the economy and inflation. i want to get your reaction on

the other side. >> the federal reserve is obviously independent. i wonder, mr. president, if you are reelected, would you direct the federal reserve chair to lower interest rates. >> i put a lot of pressure on him, outside pressure, because nobody knows whether or not you can do that but i did because i thought his interest rates were too high, and he ultimately dropped the interest rates, the same gentleman as you know. it was a lot of pressure. i was very active on that. right now interest rates are very high, they're too high. people can't buy homes. they can't do anything. they can't borrow money. the banks don't have the money. the banks aren't lending the money. by the way, chase manhattan bank, bank of america. they discriminate against conservatives, it's a disgrace, and they shouldn't be allowed to. i'm going to do something about that. you take a look at banks throughout the country, and i think because of the regulators, you take a look at bank of america, and chase, they discriminate against conservatives and republicans. >> what's the evidence of that?

>> we'll give you plenty. to be clear if you were reelected would you direct your fed chair to lower interest rates? >> depends on where inflation is. i would get inflation down because drill we must. >> are you going to appoint a new fed chair if you're reelect? >> he would have two years left. you know the word jawboning, i did a lot of jawboning against him, and he ultimately lowered interest rates. >> the same invitation to sit down with kristen welker has been extended to president biden, what's your reaction to him saying he wants to be hands on with the federal reserve? >> i mean, he was president of the united states. look, this is a person that is an income class that will never, the majority of any colleagues are millionaires, this guy has never ever truly understood what it felt like not being able to pay rent, the fact that he'll never truly understand what the impact is to live in a community with dirty air and having, you

know, respiratory issues and all of this stuff, and again, because they have to house oil, petroleum refinery. he's an income class that will never be able to understand truly the struggle of the american people. it is fact. and, you know, lived experience is incredibly important. so they can lead with compassion, that you can truly understand. it is clear from his actions, one of the first things he did, and it's not, i mean, look it up. he did the biggest, what, they call it the trump tax plan, and it was to make billionaires more rich and more wealthy, and so the actions, what he took when he was president, is very clear that he puts his friends and people in his income class much higher than my neighbors here in detroit and throughout wayne and oakland county. >> michigan congresswoman, rashida tlaib, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. and a quick programming note, for much more on kristen

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team has 32 direct messages from donald trump's twitter account after the company complied with a warrant. a newly unsealed court filing by the special counsel's office says the messages represent, quote, a minuscule proportion of the total data provided by twitter. joining us now is nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter. what are they trying to say by calling it a min secure portion? -- minuscule portion? >> i think they're trying to say the dms is a small portion of what twitter handed over. the amount of information that they generate and gather as a result of somebody tweeting or posted under x, what it's called now, when you look at that, it's probably, you know, an enormous amount of meta data, what time, what type of phone, where was it communicated from. what isn't clear from the filing is what exactly were these 32 direct messages, incoming, out going, and people receive a lot of spam direct messages, presumably, the former president's account, then the

president's account was locked downed. you can limit who sends you messages, and obviously the policy has changed with the new ownership at twitter, now x, but it's not clear, you know, at all what this -- what was involved with this, and the foreperson did follow a number of individuals who could have been in a position to send a message. >> be clear for me, is this twitter handing over just 32 messages and there could be more or is this what jack smith's team says they find interesting in everything that was handed over. >> right. so it's not even clear from the filing, and the only reason we know this is just kind of a quick mention in a broader legal fight where writer, now x is appealing that they have to turn over any of these messages or any of this data whatsoever. so they have been fighting this, and a lower court determined that x had to hand this stuff over, but now we're hearing that, you know, now we're obviously watching a court docket, where they're fighting it. >> are we going to find out more in any of these filings before

the big date? >> the longer the fight goes on, the more chances prosecutors have to put the information in there. >> is this january or march? i can't keep it straight. >> we're talking about the january 6th one, that is march. >> that is march. okay. tom winter, thank you very much. now to capitol hill, where the disorder in the house appears to be leaking into the senate as house speaker kevin mccarthy daughters his conference to try to oust him. the senate has frozen in place after senator ron i don't know -- johnson put the brakes on a package that had been advanced a blow out, 97-1 vote. joining us now is ali vitali. punch bowl news cofounder, john bresnahan. doesn't look great over there, ali. >> doesn't feel great, i'm going to be honest, they came back with a real vengeance after the august recess. no sooner were they back than the drama began.

my conversations with lawmakers over the recess, am i right for you to be nervous to come back in september, and many of those on the right wing of this conference said yes because they were willing to put the screws to mccarthy no matter what it took to get the spending concessions that they want. it seems like that's what's going on here. at least until it's not. we've seen mccarthy work himself out of a jam before. it's going to be interesting to see how he does it this time. he loves and bres knows this, when we underestimate his abilities, behind closed doors with his conference, you're right, katy, he basically dared them to fire him from the speaker job because of course there are several, including matt gaetz who continue to dangle the possibility in front of the speaker if he doesn't give what they want on spending and a few other items they previously agreed to in january to make mccarthy the speaker in the first place. there are a lot of things in this world that may not directly seem like they're related to government funding and there are the things in the world that are directly related to government

funding and all of those things converged this week with very little plan of how to move forward. >> what happened in the senate, bres? >> so as you talked about, there was a big procedural vote that 91 senators actually voted to move forward with what was a package of spending bills, they call it a mini bus. it's a $280 billion package of spending bills. it was supposed to show that there's real bipartisanship in the senate, versus the house, where ali was talking about, they're going to be able to move some of the spending bills, and make real progress and do their job. what happened is that they made it, they had this procedural vote, senator ron johnson objected to the next step which was, okay, everybody wants to amend the bill. they have pet provisions they want to put in there. this is called regular order, normal legislating, and johnson objected. that doesn't mean the bill is

dead. you have 91 people voting or senators voting to move forward. they can pass the bill, it complicates the situation, though, and it could drag it out for another week or two. and the question is, can the senate finish this bill and show some real progress as the house is just, you know, just a mess. >> speaking of the house, is there a side deal being made by members of the house to try to go around these more conservative members of the freedom caucus, who are advocating for a shut down? >> well, you can't do -- right now, you can't go around. this is all tied up in mccarthy's faces. as ali was talking about. if mccarthy tried to do that, go to democrats and more moderate members of his own conference, the next vote they would have would be to oust him as speaker. gaetz, the freedom caucus members, there's enough of them that dislike mccarthy on a personal level, they may do it.

they may do it anyway. try and get rid of mccarthy anyway. we could see mccarthy out anyway. >> okay who would it be if it's not mccarthy? >> that's the issue here. you know, right now, there probably is not a candidate to replace him, but these guys, this is why they dragged everything out in january. now, you know, they're raking him over the coals. they may try to get rid of him to stop the spending bills, try to cause another crisis on that front. there's a lot going on here. >> what about the main street caucus? >> yeah, they're talking to some of the freedom caucus members. this is a group of more moderate republicans. they're conservative, but they're more moderate. not some of the bomb throwers like in the freedom caucus. they're talking about a package of bills that could be moved to free up log jam in the house. you would move defense bill, homeland security bill, but part

of that package would be a border security bill that the senate is not going to accept and president biden said he's already going to veto. if they did that, the senate would amend the bill, send it back to the house, and then mccarthy would have a choice, do i put the bill on the floor or a shut down on october 1st. so, you know, if he wants to save his job, he would have to do a shut down. if he wants to govern, he would move the bill. they're going to force a resolution at some point. >> what about if you're really focused on immigration, trying to do a separate immigration bill, why not go that route? >> reporter: that one seems dead on arrival as well. not only are you in a period of divided government, why we see so many differences between the way the house and senate and white house are interacting with it, but then you also have the reality that even within the republican conference here there are so many differing opinions on what the right immigration

policy would look like. many of the more hawkish members of the congress, many members of the texas delegation want immigration policies that are more restrictive, that go further than some moderates can support. within this conference, yes, republicans might be agitating for movement at the border, but they can't even agree on what that looks like. we have seen that battle play out here before too. there is no easy route here for mccarthy on any of these issues because he has such tight margins in his group. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. breaking news out of michigan, the final three men on trial for the plot to kidnap governor whitner in 2020 were found not guilty on all counts. william nell, michael nell and eric molitor. let's bring in nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. they were found not guilty but they weren't the main people that were accused of trying to hatch this plot.

>> that's right. they're not the big guys at the center of this, and their argument throughout the trial was that they were helping and they did attend these casing and surveillance days where they were looking at her vacation home, but they didn't know the plot. they didn't actually know what the goal was and they didn't find that out until later. we saw defense attorneys throughout this entire process and had other trials as well, the fbi acted inappropriately at times. they planted informants, and sometimes the informants got a little too involved in the plot, but, you know, it's not that much of a surprise that these three folks weren't really the big gets here for prosecutors, and nine other people have already pled guilty or been convicted in association with all of this. these men were part of a group called the wolverine watchmen. it's been a few years but back in 2020, we were all talking about them because of the concern around right wing militia groups and escalating rhetoric around the 2020 election, and the case became a

flash point, a symbol of all of that in the moment. and while the attorney general has released a statement saying that, you know, they're not happy, they're certainly not proud of this result, the reality is, though, they're pointing to these other nine people who have been convicted and they think that sends a strong message to the rest of the country. >> the other nine that were convicted, how long are they serving time for? >> almost 20 years. so these are serious convictions. absolutely. >> i'll just read you the text of what the attorney general said about today's result, while today's verdicts are not what we hoped for, the successes we have achieved throughout these cases in state and federal court sends a clear message that acts of domestic terrorism will not be tolerated. . is this the end of it? >> this is end of the trial, if the question is this the end of problems with militia groups, and threatening governor whitner, i don't think so. already there is an understanding as we get closer

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what happens when you die? does your life flash before your eyes, or is it just poof and you're gone? we might actually find out as researchers study the brains of people in the throes of cardiac arrest. here's what one of those survivors told nbc correspondent anne thompson about what happened when she flat lined. >> the moments after death --

>> mr. pendleton, you know where you are, don't you? >> reporter: hollywood imagined warren by aty greeted by james mason and buck henry in "heaven can wait". >> keefer sutherland and kevin bacon revisited their sins in flat liner. >> is today a good day to die. >> reporter: mary cur ran hack et experienced none of those things. >> it was like almost going home, and there was nothing to be afraid of. >> reporter: the cincinnati writer's heart stopped for several minutes in the hospital in 2004. >> i could see everything, feel everything, hear everything, even though i know now i was medically dying. i felt an overwhelming rush and almost a pressure being pulled like almost like a force field being pulled back into my body, and then i woke up and saw the doctors that i had been seeing working on me. >> reporter: experience like hackets part of a new scientific study published, it found people

who went into cardiac arrest and were brought back to life by cpr, almost 40% had a recollection of dying. >> we found signs of normal brain electrical activity that is consistent with the types of things that we all have when we're fully conscious. >> what does your study show about what happens to the brain after the heart stops? >> contrary to the way doctors have been taught that after the heart stops, the brain does not die. it hibernates and it shows the ability to recover even an hour longer afterwards. >> reporter: they're working on a book, parnia hopes it will spur new innovation in resuscitation technology. >> if you talk about how you're going to die or what's going to happen when you die, it frames how you are going to live. and what could be more impactful. >> as science tries to unlock the mystery of death, anne thompson, nbc news. >> that's really interesting. anne thompson, thank you very much. and that's going to do it

for me today, happy friday, everyone. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi there, everyone, happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. next week marks the ten-month anniversary since attorney general merrick garland first appointed special counsel jack smith to his post. just ten months. let that sink in. right now jack smith is a man who speaks very few words publicly. so we are for the time being left to comb through his public filings to know what jack smith really thinks about the urgency of getting his election interference case into court. now we're getting a brand new glimpse inside jack smith's thinking and specifically and more chillingly, jack smith's very real fears of violence. they come from what we're learning about efforts to gain access to trump's twitter account. "politico" is reporting that newly unsealed court filings shha