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of the articles of impeachment they are voting on today. eight of them so far, the former attorney general has been acquitted on all eight of those charges. the bulk of them being disregard of official duty. at, most we have seen two republicans that have voted with democrats in deciding to impeach and knowing those two republicans we have seen take that vote aren't up for reelection until 2026. we have some time. that was one of the big underlying factors of this trial. the super pac it said they be prepared to go after republicans that did not stand with them. what we are seeing so far is that republicans are largely backing kim paxton as this vote takes place. just a reminder for the folks who are watching, this is all related to accusations around bribery, conspiracy, dereliction of duty stemming from several top staffers that came out as whistleblowers said

the -- using the powers of his office to help a political donor that he had been accepting bribes. they were fired as a result. kim paxton settled the lawsuit for three point $3 million. they asked the texas legislation for the money in order to pay that suit. this is what all of this is stemming from. so far, halfway through, it appears that he will be reinstated. again, they only need to impeach one of the articles in order for him to be impeached. there's a ways to go. >> i know you are vote counting in the control booth. once things gets figured out we will come back to. thank you for that. we will go to the other breaking news. that special counsel jack smith who seeking a minimal gag order on donald trump in the interference case. he cites trump's history of incendiary comments about people involved in the legal cases.

trump is pushing back on the request. >> did you see today that jack smith, he's a deranged person. he wants to take away my rights under the first amendment. wants to take away the rights of speaking freely and openly. they want to stop us because they are the only ones that can stop them. >> we are going to go right to nbc ryan reilly with the latest on this. welcome, what is jack smith asking for? what is the timeline for them to respond to it? >> trump's team has to respond in a little over a week. essentially what they are asking for is pretty limited. they basically want to stop him from making attacks on people who would be witnesses. as well as attacks on the special prosecutors and counsel's office himself. as well as the people who work for the special counsel's office. normally you don't need this in

a criminal matter. criminal defendants typically have the smarts in the upper hand. realizing that prosecutors and judges have the upper hand in the scenarios. that's not really who the situation for trump's. he's lived most of his life without consequences. having someone who does have this huge is really important to be able he -- can launch attacks and he knows what the consequences of that are. maybe peoples lives hell after he targets them on either social media or in public comments. >> so, it seems like every time he gets in front of a podium, he goes after jack smith. this is the kind of thing that would restrain him completely. the judges as well. he calls them terrible names. would he now not be able to even reference them at all? do we know the parameters of this? >> he wouldn't be able to declare in a sense. to say i'm innocent.

i am not guilty of this crime. here's the reasons why. it's just more the direct targets of these individuals that i think the special counsel's office is trying to prevent here. especially when it comes to the witnesses. and of course the judge herself. the judge has received a lot of threats since she took up this case in the very beginning. a woman from texas was arrested for making threats against her. normally it wouldn't be something that you expect to see coming from and a criminal defendant. we aren't in a normal situation. there have been consequences because of the huge crowd of supporters that donald trump has behind him. they're ready to do everything he says. jeff smith's office compared it to the january 6th attack itself. just as the -- after he lost, up until january six, it started staring up the mob with lies.

it was the same scenario today that they are worried about. it could have consequences. right now it's not a situation that they think -- they're going to gather the supporters to storm the actual court. they are more worried about individual factors. they might take up that advice and might do something about it. perhaps make some sort of threat directly or try to make some sort of attack on these individuals. >> it only takes one. okay, ryan reilly, thank you so much for that. we want to remind all of our viewers that ryan has a new book out next month, how january 6th broke the justice system. it's at october 17th. we will have you back soon to talk about this. thank you so much. also in just a moment, we will talk more about the gag order and why security threats seem to be the recurring theme and trump's case. as we will talk about the washington post as well as paul butler and the law professor. in the meantime, this breaking news. the auto workers are holding

talks anne this is on day two of the strike. it will be -- the plant in toledo ohio. welcome to you. what are you hearing from the workers today? are they aware of the talks? are they hopeful? >> i don't know if hopeful. they are aware and they are watching. they are hoping they get what they call a strong and fair contract. we know based on gm and for representatives and spokespeople from both of those companies, they say that negotiations have resumed after yesterday's -- they said both sides are at the table negotiating right now. i want to get to the heart of what you're hearing from these autoworkers. let's listen to a conversation i had earlier today about why they are out here and what they're looking for. >> the priority will be that we need more money. we've gone years without a raise.

we want our fair share. that is what we are looking for, our fair share, for everybody, not just for me. >> the latest offer from the automaker husband about 20% raise of the course of four or four years. >> why that's terrible. we have and that raises an over 13 years. that's terrible. come on, they are getting paid money. they are making racist. they're getting 40%. why can't we get it? we deserve it. >>,. , so that's what you heard from the forward ceo. it's clear, both sides are talking right now. we know that offers have been going back and forth as recently as the hours before the strike. the uaw is sending over what they called a comprehensive counter proposal.

obviously that wasn't accepted. you see the gap starting to shrink but it's still a pretty big gap between what the uaw and auto workers are demanding and what auto companies and executives have been willing to offer. >> i understand. thank you so much. i appreciate it. new details about tweets. what we just learned about the fight between jack smith, we are back in 60 seconds. e back in 60 seconds we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. ♪♪ we're not a startup, but our innovation labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. ♪♪ we're not architects, but we help build stronger communities. ♪♪ we're not just any bank. we are citi. ♪♪ (mom) bringing in a new roommate to save money - is that the plan? (dad) well we gotta find some way to save.we are citi. so say hi to glen. from work.

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msnbc legal analyst. joining me in the studio. welcome to you both. ladies hearst,. jacqui why do security threats appear to be a recurring theme what are you learning about this new order that prosecutors are asking for? >> as we've seen over the course of trump's entire presidency and post presidency, he has demonstrated that he has amended power in terms of the rhetoric and the message as he puts out on social media. this is a concern to special counsel jack smith and his team. tanya chutkan -- revealed that smith had asked for a very narrowly tarrant gag order. he said that because of the continued attacks that it really undermines the fairness of the case. in that same vein, which could potentially cause harm as he has retained influence over his

followers. trump immediately has responded to this already itself ill prophesy of sorts, tweeting at smith about how problematic this gag order would be. it jeopardizes the first amendment concerns. what smith asked for is a very narrow well-defined restriction that would essentially prohibit, trump from making statements about identity, testimony, credibility of his witnesses and statements about witnesses, attorneys, court personnel and potential jurors that could be disparaging, inflammatory, intimidating. when emphasis on intimidating there. >> so, paul. with trump saying up my free speech, how likely is judge chutkan to approve this gag

order. when you listen to jackie's description of, it is very specific. >> i think the judge will approve some limited forms. there are first amendment issues. imagine that trump is asked, as the january six indictment alleges that pence told you but he was honest. could donald trump answer that question? he was told not to cast doubt and undermine the process. it's an important question involving the public interest. in terms of getting people in physical danger, jack smith got receipts. he says that trump's tweets before january six helped launch the insurrection and were very familiar with the way that his supporters and the

tragic result where peoples lives have been ruined. the judge thread the needle very carefully. there will be some restrictions. >> paul, the thing that the fact the d.c. courts are so inundated with the situation, they are swamped about the cases, does that play into how trump's cases will be handled? >> this is a court that is a very -- by the end of this year 2000 people will have been charged in connection. i think the real question is going to be the remedy. we know whatever the order is donald trump is going to violate that. what does deterrent can do. for most defendants they, would be sent to prison. they would be locked up before trial. i don't know if that's going to happen to donald trump. she threatened that she would move up the trial date. not a lot of wiggle room.

when i suspect is a big fine. maybe 10,000, 20 for the next. >> i would hate department the money. jacqui, there are new details today that battle between jack smith and twitter over donald trump streets when he previously raised some security concerns. a court filing shows prosecutors secretly arguing to keep this warrant a secret from trump. what can you tell us about this? do we know anything about what might be in the 32 private direct messages from the twitter account that had been turned over to the doj? >> yeah, alex. it's an interesting development. it highlights all the different angles that's this team has been investigating. they move forward with this case. they continue to provide discovery to trump's team. we don't know that much about who exactly trump was communicating with on twitter.

we know that according to this warrant, smith was worried that if trump discovered they would be obtaining these twitter messages that he would engage in, quote, some kind of obstructive effort. he was already participating in. and, again, as you noted there were 32 direct messages. it doesn't say that the messages were sent or received by trump. the filing also indicated that some of the data that was provided to prosecutors could help show where trump was exactly when he said certain tweets. if there is anyone else that was actually using his accounts. if you pieces of information there. no smoking gun about who trump was communicating with. >> -- dropped out right there. look, there are so many moving

parts to these cases when it comes to donald trump. he did speak this week about the classified documents case. let's take a lot of what he said. >> i'm allowed to have these documents. i'm allowed to take these documents. classified are not classified. frankly, when i have them, they become unclassified. people think you have to go through a ritual. you don't. i'm allowed to do what i want to do. i'm allowed to have documents. >> once you get a subpoena, you have to turn him over. >> i know this. i don't even know that. i have the right to have this document. i don't really know that. >> i know this, i don't even know that. anyway, confusing for me. is he in breach of judge cannon's protective order, is he doing himself any favors by taking questions on this speaking publicly in an interview? >> he is going to proclaim his

innocence and say what he thinks his defense is. i think it's going to be difficult for anyone to shut that down and prosecutors won't want to. i guarantee, each of the four prosecutors who's going after donald trump has a full time investigator looking at what he says in public. he said, i don't have to go through this ritual to declassify documents. actually, you do. the ritual is called the law. there are specific steps that every president has taken that you didn't take. and that's why you are being prosecuted. >> okay, understood, thank you so much. jacqui, we had an issue with her. we thank her for a long distance. thank you. texas state senators are voting in the ken paxton impeachment trial. once we hear the results, we will bring them to you. first, a place of beauty being battered by wind and rain.

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and it's free. download duckduk to. you're absolutely right. as you mentioned. ali has been downgraded. it is still packing quite a punch, as you can see. the big headline right, now are these powerful winds that last

check we are seeing the same winds of a 24 miles per hour. you could probably see behind me here, cape elizabeth, waves crashing. this is a similar scene is playing out up and down the new england coast yesterday. because of these conditions, especially in the water, a lot of the marinas decided to pull out of vessels, esther day under calmer conditions. in, fact here in portland, we did a ride along with of portland fire department. they're just kind of taking advantage of the calmer seas. they were staffing up some of the nearby islands. here's a little bit more for my conversation with fire chief yesterday. take a listen. >> i guess the big thing is, where is it going? is it gonna follow that same track? if it does, i think we've done enough preparation right now with not only emergency management. but the county emergency management. in coordination with that. if regional shelters need to be, open will make that decision. right now, we're treating this

as like a probably a nor'easter storm. we would have some isolated pockets of power outages. and some flash flooding. >> alex, of course, especially with these coastal communities, a big concern continues to be the flash flooding. the beach origin. the dangerous beach condition. but also power outages, especially with these tropical storm force winds. continuing to pick up, this is something that we will probably see for the next couple of hours. i have to, say probably see this crowd behind. me we have dozens of people here at this park. a lot of spectators. apparently this is something that we don't see this time of year. up and down the coastline, a lot of those staying on land. just kind of capturing these impressive waves. once again, lee downgraded. still, we are feeling the impacts of this massive storm system that we've been tracking for several days. now, it is threatening nova scotia.

alex? >> the folks in maine are very hardy types. i will say, there is a guy out there in shorts. okay, you do you. kathy, thank you so much. at least 11,300 people are now believed to have died in the unprecedented flooding in libya. that's a according to the red crescent. however, officials say an exact number will be difficult to compile, given the level of destruction. there are thousands still missing. some international health is arriving, most of the effort is being led by survivors. sky news correspondent alex crawford is with rescue crews on the ground. >> they search for survivors, in horribly cramped and dangerous conditions. gravity seems to be the sole reason many of these homes are still standing. it's hard to imagine how humans could withstand this force. enough to uproot trees, sweep away nine story high apartment blocks. this is what happened to some of the buildings. look, it's pushed all the way

through, several walls down here. and then once you're inside, it's covered with mud every single room is full of mud. there are trees in the middle of this building, i don't even know what floor they're actually. on there are a few foreign teams helping out now. but it's it's criticism that there are far too few, and they're far too late. many are using shovels and picks to try to find the relatives on their own. >> there's no, help there's nobody to help. they've been buried here for five days. >> who wants to carry on no knowing their family are buried there rotting. please help, us have mercy on us. we've suffered enough. >> let's go overseas now to msnbc's raf sanchez for more. i have to tell you, raf, this is utterly staggering.

it's almost unfathomable the destruction here something that hurts is the u.n. is now saying all of this death and suffering could've been avoided. what more do we know on that? >> alex, every indication we have at this point is that this was a natural disaster but it is a man-made catastrophe and what i mean by that is, the initial storm that caused the flooding was very intense. mediterranean storm daniel, it dropped some nine months worth of rain just a couple of hours. on sunday night the u.n. is saying, that rain on its own did not inevitably have to lead to massive loss of life, it is a series of human failures after that that led to this just, as you said absolutely staggering death toll. those failures began with two dams that burst in the face of that flooding local people, experts, warned repeatedly, those dams were crumbling. they are in danger of falling

apart, the mayor's office tells us they have not been repaired since 2008, 15 years ago, long before the libyan civil war. the was the last time they were looked at the u.n. also, saying if proper warning systems were in place there would've been time for people to evacuate. again, libya has been rocked by war. political dysfunction. for well over a decade now. those warning systems also long ago crumbled. finally, alex, in those crucial hours, sunday night into monday morning, when the dams were bursting, the water was coming down, rather than ordering an evacuation, local authorities on the ground in that city of derna, imposed a curfew. that, effectively, trapped people in their homes. when that wave of water was coming down. alex? >> hard to talk after something like this. when you think about the devastation in the death and destruction. it's heartbreaking. raf sanchez, thank you.

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>> alex, first of all, thanks for having me having me on. to, yes, is donald trump the front runner? yes he is. is his lead insurmountable? no. polling is a snapshot in time. it doesn't indicate what future behavior is going to be. and the reality is this, donald trump wants to make it sound like he is inevitable to be the nominee. but he's afraid to show up debates. he's afraid to show up to events that most other candidates are going to. he's limiting the amount of media that he's doing. because he's flip-flopping in the same interview, and sometimes, within the same question. and he recognizes that he has some vulnerabilities. the reality is, -- there's a lot of the voters that may have voted for donald trump twice. before. that recognize that is too much baggage. getting him involved, they're in that tension, until this

race until things get a little bit closer. >> back in july, you made some critical remarks about trump at the republican party of iowa's annual lincoln dinner. the crowd, as you remember, had some strong reaction. let's take a listen to that. >> donald trump is not running for president to make america great again donald trump is not running for president to represent the people that voted for him in 2016 in 2020. donald trump is running to stay out of prison. you had an important message, there it was met with resistance. if trump is convicted of any of the numerous charges that he's facing, do you think his support remains? >> i hope not. i've made it very clear, you know i refused to sign a loyalty pledge to donald trump, that's one preconditions that get on the debate stage. i know the last debate i was disappointed the number of people that said that they would continue to support

donald trump, if he were his indeed found guilty of some of these crimes, many of which i think he will. a lot can happen between now in late december, when early voting is going to be decided. here's what we, need we need people that do not want to see donald trump on the ballot, to get engaged. if you want to see someone like me get on that debate stage, go to herd for america.com. don't need at least $1 to help me do. that now is the time that we have to start building that momentum, to make sure that we do not see donald trump on the ballot. and for me, if the gop wants to argue law and order, we can't support someone that has all of these indictments against them. and then is doing things like trying to intimidate witnesses, trying to intimidate juries, the only people that do that kind of thing are folks that did something wrong. >> you, know that greater issue of intimidation, nbc news exclusive from justice and intelligence correspondent kendall any reveals, the fbi

has created a stand-alone unit now to investigate threats from members of the public, who think that agents and prosecutors haven't been tough enough on hunter biden. but as someone who's worked in intelligence, how concerning is this for you? >> well, we shouldn't, you know, advocating or supporting violence against law enforcement, violence against the judiciary, is unacceptable. everybody should stand up. regardless of what little letter you have after your name. these are folks that are working to do their job, they're showing a level of transparency. to make sure that our system works. the reason america has been successful for 247 years, we have a thing called rule of law. we all should be supportive and encouraging of that. and guess, what donald trump hunter biden, everyone's gonna get their day in court. and that's where these debates should be, this will be settled not with violence against people, they're executing their

job and fulfilling their oaths of the constitution. >> but is this growing animosity for security officials, is it now part of our culture that donald trump helped to foster? do you worry that it will get worse of trump's elected? or if he's not elected? >> look, the broader lack of trust in my institutions is concerning. because, you know, we the people or what power these empties. oftentimes, when i get frustrated with this decisions of leaders at these top of these entities, that hurts the rank and file that are doing their job. when i was in the cia, my job was to collect intelligence and prevent terrorists from trying to blow up our homeland again. to stop russian spies and chinese spies from selling our secrets, nuclear weapons, proliferators at a business. this was differ that some of their political decisions that people in the top we're making. and we've got to separate those two things. this broader trust that is being fomented by many of our

elected leaders, including donald trump, is exacerbating this problem. and quitting this problem, and guess what, who's laughing and loves all this happening? letter rebooting. she jinping. the leader of north korea. of them have what this for us to be fighting one another. because they recognize that the united states is better together, and that way more unites us then divides us. and we're trying to tear each other from a, internally, they'll be people that helps is our adversaries around the world. >> all right, you've written the book on how to get big things done. here comes a big thing question. i want to get your take on a number of immigration headlines from the court striking down daca, to the battle of buoys in texas in the rio grande. your new op-ed is titled, solving the u.s. migrant crisis is utterly doable. here's how it gets done. as president of the united states, how would you solve this problem? >> first step, stop treating and when that comes into this

country as an asylum seeker. donald trump under his separation, donald trump continue, this asylum israel, asylum should be available for people that need it. when you allow people to abuse asylum, the people that get hurt the most, -- that's what led to 5.5 million people coming into our country illegally. drug smugglers, human smugglers, terrorist organizations. that they are. that means making this a national intelligence priority. using cia and nsa and mj and all those resources in order to disrupt these operations. they are making almost an over 100 billion dollars a year. that's a pretty large footprint. three, i would treat fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction. we have existing keys in order to stop the dirty bomb from coming into our country. fentanyl and drug overdoses have killed 109,000 people last

year. i would work with our allies. we can't invade mexico, using the military to invade mexico is a nonstarter. anybody who's talking about that is lying. but we should be partnering with our allies, not just in mexico, but in el salvador and guatemala, to dismantle this. and on daca, i would bring up the usa act, this was a bill that i cosponsored with pete aguilar in california, in order to give a legal path for these young men and women who are in the sa-2 america to stay in the u.s.. >> all, right very clearly, your man with a plan. i want to thank you for your time with us. with presidential candidate, will hurd, great to see. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, a tough conversation, some democrats are trying to have with the president. why he's doubling down as a result of it. result of it ♪then you take me by the hand♪ ♪i feel better again♪ ♪oh i feel better now♪ ♪♪ we're not writers,

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uaw is also talking with general motors, that's happening right now this monday. two of the strike. we'll keep you updated. in the meantime, a new new york times piece says that pushback on top of president biden's need to step aside, -- there may be no alternatives to beat former president trump. joining me now, former democratic national committee chairman, and former vermont governor, howard dean. howard, welcome back, good to see my friend in an article published friday, peter baker writes there's no indication that presidents even considering abandoning his campaign. and that biden insiders say he calls for him to bow out or making him more determined to run. the only people might persuade him to change's mind would be his family, particularly his first lady jill biden. what's your sense of how the president is handling the doubters within his own party? >> i think he's doing reasonably well. look, this guy turns out to have one of the best records of any democratic president in terms of reforms. going all the way back to

lyndon johnson. what is accomplished is incredible. what is accomplished for,, particular gets climate change, has been phenomenal. nobody's done anything like that. so, a lot of this is sort of ageism, i get it. it is time for a new generation, all that kind of stuff. joe biden's gonna be our nominee. i also think is gonna be the next president of united states. >> well, david ignatius might differ with you on that. pretty bombshell opinion piece was written by him in the washington post this week. which urged biden not to run for reelection. despite echoing your sentiments, praising his administration, string of winds. he writes, quote, biden's age isn't just a fox news trope, it's been the subject of dinner table conversations across america this summer. he is no longer the garrulous glad-hand right now when i first covered congress of a couple decades ago. as franklin ford, brighton the last petition, we'll be remember the old heck who could. ouch. how do you interpret his take on that. >> the opinions always like.

there's a bit of something to complete, about they make something to complain about. you know, you'd think they'd be covering other things that mattered more. like immigration. which is still a mess in congress has done nothing about. like what's going on in russia. and what's going on in eastern europe. in terms of undermining our democracy. which is also going on here. let's look at the republicans who seem to be running on a program of hate and anger. so i, you know, i don't think there's a lot of hand wringing. they have to read about something. also maybe the football season will pick up for them. >> look, there's all these under use. i'm asking of democratic insiders are genuinely concerned about the president's mental acuity, or are they just, here's the, word bed-wetters. overreacting to the polls. that's what former obama campaign manager, jim messina, referred to the. is there even a clear alternative to biden? who could defeat donald trump, or another republican. >> bed-wetting always has been a favorite sport inside the beltway. so, maybe machine is right.

i don't know. joe biden's got some pluses and minuses. just like everybody else whoever got the nomination. sure, there's a whole long list of great, fantastic candidates who are in their 40s and 50s. in the democratic party. but they're not the incumbent. they haven't been in the white house during all the things that biden is done. so, as soon as this campaign really gets going, and the republicans sort themselves out as to which authoritarian they're gonna nominate, then we'll have a real race. and this will stop seeing these kinds of articles. this is always the kind of stuff that happens in the middle summer and fall of the year before the election. they have nothing else to read about. they're tired of running at the same old polls. they come up with stuff like this. i think it's nonsense myself. >> okay, let me ask about this. ignatius goes underway about vice president harris. as the presumptive heir apparent to biden, if he doesn't run by chance, i don't think it happened. safety fail to gain traction in the country, or even within her own party, and more remarkably, this week, both representatives nancy pelosi and jamie raskin

offered less than ringing endorsements when asked if harris was the best running mate. here's some of what jamie raskin had to say. >> do you think kamala harris is the best running mate for president biden, yes or no? >> i don't know dallas i can say other than, -- she's an excellent running mate. in an excellent vice president. >> you could say yes. >> i don't know whether president biden is named his running, make going to a convention next summer. it's a year away from now. we're gonna go through that process. >> that was interesting, whether or not he named her. why do you think democrats are not giving vice president harris their full-throated vote of confidence that one would expect? could this be some sort of coordinated effort among top democrats? >> i doubt it. it's highly unlikely such an effort to depose kamala harris off the ticket would be successful. look, i can remember complaints about al gore. i can remember complaints,

actually, about almost everybody who's not an inside the beltway. remember, the good old boys club. going back as far as conventions. people always complain. this is more of the silly season. we haven't really gotten going, there's a lot of hand wringing, a lot of complaining. we're just have to put up with it, eventually, the press will get something, find something else to do. >> let me ask you one more question about the impeachment inquiry, that was launched in biden by the house republicans this. week former president trump said an interview, biden's impeachment likely whitney be happening -- had democrats not impeached him twice. that was after trump reportedly encouraged impeachment in recent talks with several congressional republicans. are trump's remarks essentially confessions that the biden impeachment is his retribution? >> oh, probably. that's the kind of person is. look, donald trump is not fit to be president of the united states. let's just face it. one really big threat that we have with trump's this group

called no labels. which is funded by huge republican bunch of republican oligarchs. won by people like joe lieberman. who just out for vengefulness will likely take 2% of the vote. away from biden. that could happen. enough people who hate donald trump who may for some middle of the road supposed middle-of-the-road candidate and throw their votes away. that, in fact, did happen, it's why al gore was president instead of george w. bush. and it's why hillary clinton lost to donald trump. we do have to worry about people like no labels. i think biden's got a pretty big clear run to the finals, for him to be the next president of united states. >> okay. former mcgovern, a good friend west, how are. dean is a much. >> thank you. >> a sobering report about some soaring numbers, that's next. s,ha tt's next

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rate in the u.s. soared last year. child poverty more than doubled

from a record low, just the year before. the sharp spike followed two years of historic declines. driven primarily by pandemic safety net programs. that expired last year. and rising inflation. joining me now, claire babineaux-fontenot, the ceo of feeding america, who just this week published its annual insight report on the hunger in america. clare,. very sobering topic. i'm so glad you're here to talk with us about it. this census survey i referred to earlier, it found that poverty rose almost 5%, child poverty as well as gun to pretty pandemic levels. what crosses your mind when you hear that? what kind of a job do you feel you have to do with feeding america? >> what crosses my mind is i travel across the country, i actually look into the eyes of those parents who are struggling to find a way to make ends meet. i see kids all across the country who are in those lines with their parents. with not enough means to even put food on the table. and sometimes, i have to tell

you, it's a combination of emotions. one of them is certainly sometimes frustration. because we can do better. we've seen moments when we've done better. and we must do better, going forward. >> when we say, we are you referring to congress, and if, so what can congress do that they're not doing right now? you know the president will target republicans and, say they're the ones that are dropping the ball. by not re-up-ing these pandemic programs that help so many millions of people. >> when i say, mean i mean all of us. not one single, one we should all be outraged. we should all be invigorated to be a part of a movement that changes these things. and they should be political. some things have been made political that aren't inherently political. we should all want thriving communities. we should all want kids to get the food that they need. we should all want everyone to at least have food on the table. so, all of, us there's certainly things that congress can do and can do better. i have some thoughts about that too. >> well, i'm sure you.

do tell me about your thoughts about the report that feeding america issued. what is the most surprising and or discouraging thing that you found. >> you know, i don't know that i was actually surprised, because i'm out there talking to people a lot. it's so powerful have people experiencing hunger. telling you what they want for themselves. and for their families. >> what do they want? >> for things. i can put it in. acho dignity, they want to be treated with dignity. as we all. do they want access. access to choices, access to good nutritious food. they care about their health. actually, don't need near you to tell them, there's a difference between lettuce in a sticker bar. they're smart. the resourceful. they're industrious. and they also focus on the fact that food insecurity, hunger, doesn't happen a vacuum. they want opportunity. they want us working together to create new systems that work with and for, them now the systems we have right now, that actually perpetuate generational poverty. generational food insecurity.

again, we can do this, we can decide as a nation, this is unacceptable for things to continue the way that they. are some key things we can do, for instance. benefits clips. one of the things that boggles the mind. right here in new york, you can actually get a two dollar an hour increase, and lose all your child care benefits. i mean, it's ridiculous. >> it is ridiculous. we should, say it's very difficult to do these federal assistance programs, even to fill them out. that goes to the dignity of these people. clear babineaux-fontenot, the ceo of feeding america. thank you so much. for all of my guests right now, i appreciate your time. we do know very quickly, everybody, this breaking news to share. and that is that ken paxton, the attorney general of texas, has been acquitted on all charges in his impeachment trial. 16 charges he was facing right there, it took at least two thirds vote, that would be 21 of the sitting 30 senators there in the texas state senate to have voted for him to be

impeached, not a one count did you get. he's been acquitted on all charges. he will now decide whether he returned to his job, that is that if it goes back to his job as attorney general. they're or not. again, this is just come down the last 15, 20 seconds. so, i will duly him this over to my colleague, he has been vossoughian to pick this up, and more. stay with us, aussie back here. >> hey, everybody. alex, with just said it, yasmin vossoughian joining on a very busy saturday afternoon, this just breaking in the last 20 seconds or so. out of texas, we're seeing senators there just finish voting minutes ago, acquitting attorney general ken paxton. on all articles of impeachment. he's been suspended from his duties since may. but can now, in fact, return to work. i wanna bring in msnbc priscilla, thompson standing by for us. also following this from the very beginning. priscilla, walk us through what we know. >> yeah, yasmin.