all right, coming up in the second hour of ayman, mitt romney unleashes, the retired senator unveils the true depravity of his republican colleagues. and, failure to govern, kevin mccarthy, struggling with the

most basic of legislative tasks. because that's what he did, he turned to an impeachment inquiry to change and narrative. and, it has happened again, fox, sued, this time by its own shareholders. new york city controller brad lander, who is leading the lawsuit, he's gonna join me live this hour. i'm ayman -- , let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ a very large portion of the republican party, really doesn't believe in the constitution. and before you say anything, those are not my words, those aren't the words of joe biden, or nancy pelosi, or some democratic pendant. no, those are the words of a former gop standard bearer, in fact, a former presidential nominee, mitt romney. the junior senator from utah announced this week that he won't seek reelection, meaning the senate gop is losing its most high-profile moderate, and yes, trump critic, a move that

could end up shifting the caucus even further to the extreme right. >> look, my wing of the party talks about policy, and about issues that will make a difference in the lives of the american people. the trump wing of the party talks about resentments of various kinds, and getting even, and settling scores, and revisiting the 2020 election. what are the policies for the future? and, my party is only going to be successful getting young people to vote for us, if we are talking about the future, and that's not happening so far in that other wing. >> all right, so mitt romney knows that the other wing of the party is simply toxic, because alongside his bombshell announcement, came a new piece in the atlantic, an excerpt from a forthcoming romney biography -- in it, romney doesn't hold back, unloads a whole host of long simmering grievances against donald trump, his congressional colleagues, and what he sees as extremely dangerous trends within the gop.

now, we all know romney loathed trump. after all, he was the only republican senator who voted to convict trump during his first impeachment trial. and, he was just one of seven in the second. but rob nichols far beyond trump. in fact, he torches his entire conference in his piece, eviscerating his senate gop colleagues. -- writes, perhaps romney's most surprising discovery, upon entering the senate, was that his discussed with trump was not unique among his republican colleagues. almost without exception, he told me, they shared my view of the president. in public, they played their parts, as trump loyalists, often confronting themselves, or contorting themselves rather, rhetorically, to defend the presidents most indefensible behavior. but in private, they ridiculed his ignorance. they rolled their eyes at his antics, and made incisive observations about his toddler like psyche. romney recalled one senior

republican senator, frankly admitting he has none of the qualities you would want in a president, and all of the qualities you would not. it was that cowardice, that craven, two faced approach to trump, and trumpism, that -- argues whittled away at ronny's resolve to fight for the soul of the gop. the final straw was january the 6th. according to -- , on the afternoon of january 2nd, 2021, ronny received an alarming intelligence from a fellow senator, he immediately texted mitch mcconnell, writing, in case you have not heard this, i just got a call from angus king, who said that he had spoken with a senior official at the pentagon, who reports that they are seeing very disturbing social media traffic regarding the protests planned on the sixth. there are calls to burn down your home, mitch, to smuggle guns into d.c., and to storm the capitol. i hope that sufficient security plans are in place, but i am concerned that the instigator, the president, is the one who

commands the reinforcements the d.c. and capitol police might require. what mcconnell, never response. this is the real gop. you and i have known that senate republicans were shameful, you've seen that. but to, hear it from the inside, from one of their own, is particularly damning. now let's be clear here, romney has engaged in some of the same behavior, of which he accuses these gop colleagues. as new york magazine's jonathan shape puts it, behind closed doors, he scathingly and it's the gop as a proto-authoritarian formation. in public, he only hints at these beliefs. but because we are at such an inflection point as a country, a point where the toxic, damaging side of the republican party is winning, and growing stronger, we need all voices, we need every voice, even those imperfect ones like mitt romney's, to stand up united, and fight. and his retirement will make

that fight harder to win. joining me now are joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst, and former u.s. attorney. she is the coast of the #sistersinlaw podcast. tom nichols, a staff writer at the atlantic, and -- an msnbc day -- and host of -- the -- . great to all three of you with us. tom, talk to us about mitt romney. he is going to leave behind a complicated legacy, but this could be the most important part of it. he is a conservative, but he is undeniably come to earned some respect from a great many of democrats, who see him as speaking very clearly, in this moment and time. what do you make of his decision not to run again, and the way he is going? >> i think it makes sense, given what kind of man romney's. i think he has taken a lot of on fair bricks, and criticisms. i mean, he did vote to convict donald trump, he is a conservative, and he comes from the old conservative party, where you don't go public with

your criticisms. he comes from the era of ronald reagan's 11th commandment about not speaking ill of fellow republicans. for him to now step out like this, for somebody in the world romney came from, this is an immense betrayal of his fellow republicans. and i think he deserves admiration for, not just from democrats, but from every american. so i think it makes total sense that he is looking ahead, and saying, whether trump wins or loses, he can't sit among these people in the senate, knowing that they are lying, knowing that they know the truth, and won't speak a word of it. i think that is really an important part of this whole story. >> dean, how should we look at something like a mitt romney, or even a chris christie, for that matter? i mean, i don't want to make it seem like mitt romney is a white night. as tom noted, and as i said in my setup, romney actually elevated trump during his campaign, even after years of trump being a racist birther,

and spreading conspiracies. and, he even organized a major event around trump's endorsement, so where do we look, where do we fit mitt romney in and chris christie, in this legacy discussion? >> i think, i mean, interesting to hear mitt romney talk about the decline of the gop, that they are -- mitt romney -- and you would still have room the backseat. there is no longer a republican party. we've had parties come and go, the federalist party, the know nothing party, the whig party. the gop is gone, they should've changed its name. and i'm not getting, it doesn't stand for anything. over 60% support front, the other thing that it's trump or ron desantis. the far-right wing, in the case of donald trump, is against democratic forces. mitt romney has been a big part of his party, and they don't believe the constitution. we got that, and from detected a coup, and incited the january six insurrection, and they are still on board with the guy.

so i welcome any voice. there's a great book called, how democracies die. and one of the ways to save the more people to come together, who don't agree on other things, except for democracy. so i welcome chris christie, i welcomed mitt romney for this fight, i welcome those republicans who walked away from maga, to join us in this fight. we will disagree on policy later, right, but welcome them now, because we need them. we are facing a fascist movement. >> yeah, this is the fight for the survival of the country, policy welcomed second. joyce, perhaps the most stunning segment -- actually centered on this communication, between romney and mcconnell, just before january the six. because, according to coffins, romney warned, and warned mcconnell, specifically, that far-right bad actors were now using online about targeting him. and soon after that day, mcconnell simply blamed trump for the insurrection, and was kind of like walking away from looking at mcconnell being responsible for that. but, does this revelation change the discussion around accountability, and where it

should be placed for january the 6th? >> so, i think it does, in this sense. it's fascinating to me that we are going to bring room mitt romney's account, as a sort of historical recollection. we won't be reading about in the moment. and, that is the difference between history, and being retrospective, and being a leader, in the moment. but, the question that it leaves me with is, what role romney sees for himself, going forward. does he regret that he didn't stand up in the moment, where there was some knowledge there were concerns about january the 6th might have spared the country, what it wound up going through. and, will romney play a role in the upcoming 2024 election, and try to share his views with other republicans, who maybe moderates, or in the middle, who need to hear from somebody like him. >> tom, one of the main reasons that romney gives about not seeking reelection is his age. he says that if he served another, term he would be in his mid 80s, and he wants to

make room for the next generation of leaders. it seems like that following on deaf ears, but he is at least leading by example. you know, does he have a point? we are seeing the age debate play out now in a big way, not just on the republican side, but also on the democratic side. >> well, i don't think that's fair to joe biden. i think if you are the sitting president, and you've seen a tremendous danger in democracy, and you've had a success full first term, the first thing you think of is not stepping down. i think romney's point was, there are only so many years allotted to every man or woman on this earth. and in that senate, among those colleagues, in this party, there's just nothing he can do. and, i get that. and i think in that sense, the age issue makes sense. i think if romney genuinely felt, and i don't know mitt romney, i don't speak for him. but i think if it seems to me that if a man like mitt romney thought look, if i stay another

four or five, years i can really make the difference, i can turn this around, there are other people i can link arms with. i think what you are hearing from romney, in his interview with my colleague -- . he just doesn't think that's possible. and i think in some ways, he is kind of agreeing with dean, that, although he politely says my wing of the party, i think he knows the party is gone, it's over. and, there is no room in for somebody like mitt romney. and you know, if you're 76, and you have a lot of grand children staying in washington, and having to not obviously roll your eyes and cough with discuss every time josh hawley speaks, that's not a good use of your time. >> well, speaking of josh hawley, romney, he went after folks like j.d. vance, josh hawley, and a few others. he described a large portion of the gop that doesn't believe in the constitution, and he acknowledged that they were powerful. and that if he truly thinks they represent a massive threat to the country, why not stay,

and fight? why surrender your seat, so possibly another radical maga stooge? because you know they are going to vie for your seat in utah. >> well since tom agreed with me, i will agree with tom. i think he sees no future to change the senate, or to be honest, to change his party. yes, are there a few senators left in the republican party, old-timers publicans, who believe in policy, they have low taxes, free trade, all of the check the boxes? sure, but that's not where the energy of this party is. and you're absolutely right amen, kari lake, who we all know from arizona, let's just doing a fund-raiser in utah, this week, for one of the people seeking to replace mitt romney. the maga people already have, they are salivating at the seat. so it is only going to get worse. but let's be blunt, that is the gop. mitt romney is the exception, he is an outlier. the rest of the party's maga, the rest of the party is anti-democratic. and at some point, i wish collectively, we would determine that it is a fascist

movement. so, define what fascism means to the american public. it is the enemy of democracy, and is something biden talked about in 2022. i hear he is going to give a speech soon on democracy again, the threat of maga to democracy. it is truly, not hyperbolically, truly academically a fascist movement. >> joyce, if we are going to highlight here that mitt romney was the only republican senator to vote to convict trump in that first impeachment, the atlantic beach talks about how he agonized over, it took a very seriously. i think we remember, in watching that impeachment, some other republican senators weren't even paying attention to some of the evidence that was being presented. he actually took it very seriously, and agonized over it. what do you think his absence will mean for holding trump accountable in the future, to have his voice absent, when we seek to hold somebody like trump accountable? >> well, hopefully it won't amount to a problem, because trump will be defeated at the polls in 2024, whether or not he is convicted. but, this is a moment for the

country, or i think mitt romney's resignations suggest that there is no more work for him to do in the senate, that the senate is not a body that can meaningfully hold the former president accountable, if he becomes the president again. with the reality that we now face, is that the last lines of defense against trumpism, or fascism, however we want to denote that movement, is twofold. it will be the work of the justice department, and prosecutors, including fani willis, down in georgia. it will be the work of the voters in 2024, to make an assessment about how and who they want to have leading the country. and at the end of the day, tom said something that i think is really important here, and it's not the one thing that people of goodwill can agree upon, is that we are all pro democracy. and regardless of our politics, that is the imperative of the moment, that we are living in, to support and save democracy, above all else. >> that is such an important

point to end this segment on, because i think we have to remind our viewers, and crystal has it for our viewers coming in to this consequential election year, that nothing short of our democracy is on the line. panel, please stick around after the break, we are to talk about another important evolve in washington, kevin mccarthy's failure to govern. but first, my friend richard louis is here with the headlines. hey richard. >> hey, and good evening to you. some -- a post-tropical cyclone lee made landfall in nova scotia. it brought heavy rain, coastal floods, and 70 mile an hour winds to eastern canada, and also parts of new england. says the national hurricane center. thousands remain without power at this hour. and day two of the uaw negotiations has wrapped, after 13,000 workers walked out of auto plants, and several states friday. they are striking for higher, and more equal pay at -- . there is some movement for raises today, but no agreement. president biden said, he hopes for a, quote, win-win agreement. and a one year old child is dead, and three others were

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congress is by far the most reckless, at least productive in decades. now, you would think after launching impeachment inquiry, mccarthy would at least be in good standing with the maga wing of his caucus. but, you would be wrong. that still wasn't enough to get them on board with a routine defense spending bill. in fact, just weeks before a potential government shutdown, mccarthy had to scrap a vote, when it was clear that he did not have the numbers to pass it. he was similarly forced to give up on agriculture funding this week, once he heard g -- has quick-witted this revealed to the so-called five families in the godfather movies. the whole family kills each other, i think we are close to that right now. we are maybe in the godfather to stage. >> let's bring back my panel. tom, let's start with the obvious. how much of this is on kevin mccarthy himself? >> well, virtually all of it, because this was the deal to sell his soul, to become speaker.

you know, just to link this back to our conversation about ronny, one of the things ronny pointed out was how many people in the gop failed to speak up and speak on principle, because they like their jobs, they like being on d.c.. kevin mccarthy was -- well, the monkeys paw has granted that wish, and he is speaker, and now he has to live with it. but, the speaker of the house, there's a reason to our constitution, that the house -- that the congress article one, and within that, the speaker has a lot of power, because of the way the house operates. and, mccarthy simply isn't exercising that power, because he can't. because a handful of fanatics will topple him, and throw the whole house in -- they don't care about passing bills, they don't care about policy, they don't care about funding the government. they care about performative, performance art of grievance, and just these kind of hot

button issues. and, mccarthy just doesn't know what to do with that, think as he didn't think beyond hitting the gavel. >> yeah, he cares about power, he has demonstrated that from the day he went down to mar-a-lago, after january 6th, when he saw trump embarrassingly go down there, and he went right after him. you know, i wanted to play this sound of mccarthy, this was the other day, seemingly downplaying the impeachment inquiry, that he announced, by saying it doesn't necessarily mean an impeachment. listen. >> you know, an impeachment inquiry is not impeachment. so, what an impeachment inquiry is to do is to get answers to questions. i'm not saying impeachment, all i'm saying is i would like the answers to these questions, and the american public would like to know, and that's what an impeachment inquiry provides. >> so, put aside the fact that for the past nine months, we've had republicans asked questions. i mean, that's exactly what they have been doing, and they haven't produced any answers to these questions.

does that sound like someone who's confident, and knows what they're actually doing as a leader? >> i think it's remarkable, because he's not talk about impeachment, but he says impeach relax 17's. it maybe it's like impeachment, it sounds like impeachment. but it's not actually impeachment. and there is matt gaetz staring out in the whole time, are you going to say impeachment? what a joke of a caucus! these are the people who want to run america? this is the party that wants to run the united states of america, and run the senate and get the white house back? i hope there are so many -- the gop in disarray. kevin mccarthy can't make any deals on the budget, they control all the committees in the house, they control appropriations, budget committee, and they can't even agree on the rules committee? the spending bills right now? and getting back to the impeachment, this is the first time in our nation's history where we've seen that impeachment, it's revenge of the former president, that's donald trump. who in all this post on social media says, if they impeachment, you have to impeach biden.

and at his rally in erie at the end of july, he said the same thing. if they impeach me, you have to go after them. and he said, if you don't go after them, i'm going to primary you. and they -- this is the first impeachment in u.s. history, based on personal revenge of a former president, who has -- and if the gop doesn't exist, it's the party of trump. >> yes, he actually said that to meghan kelly. he said he probably would not, joe biden would probably not have been impeached, had they not done it to him, so it just speaks to that point of revenge, clear as day. joyce, what is your take on mccarthy bowing to this pressure from the extreme maga republicans, and allowing their demands, and his own fear of losing the speakership, to be the driving force behind a biden impeachment? >> so, i'll put my former prosecutor hat on for a minute, and look at this purely from a legal perspective. because the important thing to remember is that impeachment is the legislative parallel to an indictment.

prosecutors indict someone for crimes, the house charges a former president, in this case with high crimes and misdemeanors. those are articles of impeachment. it's a charging document. this is not something that you do before you have the evidence, that is substantiated that the president has engaged in misconduct. you'll recall that nancy pelosi was very slow to initiate the process the first go around, she didn't want to do, it she did it reluctantly, it was serious, it was very somber. that's not the mood of this congress, the mood is, let's go ahead and announce the investigation, and then we will see what evidence we can find. and, that is so reminiscent of political strategies, donald trump has used repeatedly, it harkens back to that first impeachment, when he told ukraine's president zelenskyy, you just announced the investigation, that's all i need from you. something that he has done repeatedly, throughout his political career. >> such a good point, so glad

you brought that up, for reminding all of us what's at stake there with that. joyce vance, tom nichols, thank you to the both of you, greatly appreciated. dean, please stick around, we are going to come back to you in a little bit in the hour. our, still to come, new york city's pension funds are suing fox, over the 2020 election lies, and the man who is leading that effort, new york city -- brad -- joins me live, right after the break. break. ♪ ♪ is this yours? you ready? suprise! i don't think you can clear this. i got this. it's yours now. i've always had trouble falling asleep and staying asleep— you know, insomnia.

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settling with dominion voting systems for a staggering, 787 point $5 million back in april. the company's shareholders are now alleging that fox harmed its investors by allowing these lies to go on their, air unchecked, and that ultimately it is a breach of fiduciary duty. new york city controller brad lander, who is leading this effort said, quote, fox's board of directors has blatantly disregarded the need for journalistic standards, and failed to put safeguards in place. brad lander joins me now. mister controller, thank you for joining. it's >> so great to be with. you >> so tell us a little bit about this lawsuit. i mean it's, a fascinating legal maneuver. i think, on the 30,000 foot level, it is about holding fox responsible for its lies, which has already happened with the dominion voting systems. but, with the pensions, there is a very interesting dynamic at play here, about how this all came about. so, tell us what you want to gain out of? it >> absolutely, so new york city's five pension funds are their retirement securities of

-- cops, firefighters, 750 thousands of them. we've got 260 billion dollars invested. so, it's invested everywhere, including in fox news. so, about $28 million is invested there, amongst a lot of other investors. when the fox news board allow us there on air personalities to lie, over and over and over again, knowing that they are lying. it's not just bad journalists, it's not as bad for our democracy, they are inviting defamation lawsuits. and then, when they agreed to pay out $787 million, that's the money of those firefighters, and teachers, and cops, and school crossing guards. and we are suing the board, to make shareholders whole. >> was that a tough decision, to get the funds on board with that lawsuit? how does that process work? i can't imagine that everybody is sitting in the room and saying hey, we could do this. was there something that happened before? was there precedence before that, that made you think this was doable? >> yet, the funds boards are

very diverse, you know, they represent, there are labor representatives from those unions. so obviously, there is a teachers fund, there is a firefighter fund, they police officers fund. and of course, plenty of them are fox news watchers. but, nobody likes burning up your money, and defamation lawsuits that you invited, because you just lied over and over. this is about dominion, the stuff about self seth rich's family as well. and, they have no standards. they don't say okay, time to stop lying, we're going to get another lawsuit. and that is what we're saying to the board. change the policies, so that we don't keep having these stupid lawsuits. >> can you tell us specifically what you are seeking? understand the principle about what you are seeking, but what is a monetary pursuit, or? >> two big things. i, we are pursuing the board, which is -- one thing is that paul ryan is on that, board so you're talking tonight about speakers of the house.

so, one thing is, the board is supposed to represent shareholders, in their oversight of the management of the company. when they agreed to pay out 700 and $87 million, they weren't agreeing to pay out their own money, they were paying out shareholders money. so, we were saying that those bowdoinham members need to make the company whole. and, that's step one. is that we want to see governance reformed so have them change the rules so there are ethical standards, so that you can't knowingly lie in ways that invite people to sue. you >> is this an effective way, has this worked previously, when you think not just here in your, seeing not just against the media corporation, but generally, shareholders going after corporations in this space? >> we have had some success at this. well so, the most recent, we -- around sexual harassment. so they had had a big sexual harassment finding. but the same, thing they had to use the companies money, to pay out of the sexual harassment claims. so, the board had --

and we want big changes to the policies there. so yeah, this is kind of what's called a shareholder derivatives lawsuit. often, you are soon for actual damages, of a company. in this case you are suing both to have the board -- but also especially to when those government policy changes. >> you may remember at the time of their settlements, with dominion voting systems, around the defamation. there were some who were saying because it didn't go to trial, it wasn't as solid of the conviction of defamation as some had felt. and the fact that it had gotten to that point, a lot of people felt well, this is as good as you could possibly get. and -- could've gone to trial and could've -- does that impact where you think the your case is going to go? that they settled, and they didn't get that conviction? >> well, don't forget, smartmatic is something. look, we all have read, both the on air personalities, and rupert murdoch himself saying

that we knew they were lies. you know, pretty rarely do you have all of that in depositions, do you have. but you might say oh come on, you know they were lying. but that's different from them saying that they knew that they were lying. and that is really what is critical to get them, and it's right out there in the open for everybody to see. >> i guess a lot of people were watching are probably very surprised to know that shareholders have those types of, this type of impact on a media company. do you think that these types of tactics, these types of lawsuits actually work, in getting a media company to, i don't know if the right word is regulate, but certainly be more responsible, and be more accountable with what they say on air? >> look, this is straightforward. i mean, lying on air is bad journalism, it's bad for democracy, it's morally wrong. but in this case, we are just talking about shareholders interests, because if you invite defamation lawsuits, and you wind up paying three quarters of a billion dollars,

that's bad business. so yes, shareholders are the investors in the, company they owned the company they elect the board of directors. it doesn't always work, to exercise that power. to get the board to make change. in the company, we brought an action, a shareholder resolutions, not a lawsuit against starbucks. earlier this year, and said to kind of honor your place right organization. and yet honoring their workers rights, to organize. but, yes shareholders have real power, and they just have to -- kenya's just quickly went through the motions and just. he actually, we had initiated, so you initiated action, let's call a -- request. we did that back in the spring, so this week we actually filed a motions, so now it's filed in court. we don't have the date yet for when the judge will schedule it for hearing. of course, we will be open to work with the company ahead, because what we really want our those governments and ethics

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this summer. well, yeah, that's probably because literally every media outlet is talking about it, suggesting that biden is too old to do the job, despite his long list of legislative accomplishments since taking office. on the other hand, you have donald trump, who turned 77 this year, which would make him 81 at the end of a possible second term. and yet, there is a total lack of coverage on that, despite trump being almost the same age as biden. look, both men, both men deserve the same level of scrutiny, especially when the ex president says stuff like this. >> it would be, a world war ii, very quickly, if we are going to be relying on crooked joe biden, and the radical left thugs. they've weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, and leading by a lot, including a tell you what. we did it with obama, we won an

election that everyone said couldn't be walking. >> now, imagine just for a moment, imagine of joe biden had said that trump was going to cause world war ii, or that joe biden said that he ran against mitt romney in 2020, instead of donald trump. we know what would happen, fox would be in wall-to-wall coverage about it. but trump, who is only three years younger than joe biden, seems to be getting a pass every time he makes a ghastly that, you don't see the viral videos of trump. and if the media can't recognize that, then that makes them the worst of the week. dean -- is back with us. also join the conversation, comedian and friend of the show francesca florentine. great to have both of you with us. francesca, i'll start with you. there is one thing for fox to not cover trump's age, in the same way, or in the same vein as biden's. but, why do you think there is such a, they are so focused on, biden from the rest of the media? while ignoring how senile and how to arrange donald trump.

is not just for the criminality not just for the impeachments not for the indictment he is actually when you watch some of those clips -- -- -- -- -- , we have been hearing this this week, about biden being to vote. like, all of the sudden, it's like everyone works together to decide that this was going to be the. line and i don't get. it like, i'm going to be real with you guys, i want bernie, i wanted bernie in 2020, i don't want weekend at bernie's, okay. but that being said, i don't think that biden is there. i truly don't, i think he has it in him to be effective in a second term. the question is, what is he going to do? how is he going to because expand things like abortion access, how is he going to expand things that the inflation reduction act's, change course on immigration or whatnot. you are totally right man, we've got to equally

incoherence and octogenarians, and honestly, they are not the biggest problems in washington, okay. at least biden isn't seeing the ghost of christmas past present and future, like mitch mcconnell, is every time he speaks from the press. >> no, and that is a valid criticism to have. you can definitely talk about that. and look, being that there's a lot of focus on people like diane feinstein, chuck grassley, and to francesco's point, mitch mcconnell. their age, their fitness for office, but when something happens with them, the coverage awesome often goes back to highlighting biden among them, and ignoring trump. >> first of all, why am i not a friend of the show, why is francesco front of the? show i've been on the show so many times, can i be a bff of the show? >> honestly, what does it take, first of all. >> secondly, age doesn't matter for effectiveness and energy, right. look at you amen, you're effective, you got so much energy, you're like 77, okay. [laughter] you're looking ancient.

you know, -- >> it's that all of oil, it's that all of oil. >> you have some. so look, i find the corporate media i want you to stop talk about biden's, aging back to hunter biden, because -- you know, those are the two stories, those are the two stories in the time of joe biden recently. he's old, and hunter biden. and then it's trump trump trump from from, the rest of the time. either negative stories about trump,, even media domination, which is not helpful, it makes him look more powerful than he is. i think the, president biden in seriousness, should give the media more himself. he's got to get out there and show people, he is stunning, he's quick-witted. he does, underneath all of that he, starts to try fight with reporters more. whatever you got to do. the real joe biden is a guy who's funny, quick-witted, and easy to anger. i think showing that is actually effective. >> yeah and look, the truth is that joe biden hasn't really officially start his campaign yet, he's not out on the stump, we haven't seen much of him yet. and, you are totally right francesca. at some point, he is good have to address these issues, he is

going to have to talk about that. and, people have the right to worry about it. but, i go back to the point about, this clip that we played of donald trump, saying he was running against obama, and that he would lead to world war ii. i mean, what do you think the reacts will be if biden had something like that? >> i mean obviously, every time he trips you know, they talk about it for days and days and days, and they replay. i will say this people, the other day, joe biden didn't say that he taught at the university of pennsylvania for four years, he didn't, he was like a professor, he spoke at a few events. two years, right, like little things like that. but again, this is who we've got. all i have to say is, second term, no bike riding, okay. to not get on the bike, we do not need a fall. look, here's the thing about biden, he beat trump, okay, he beat trump. and some of the same outlets that are now freaking out, where the ones who are like no, trust joe, it's only joe, go

with joe. so we went with joe, like i said, i'm very much to the left of joe, and yet voted for him. and, he actually has been effective in doing a lot of things, student debt relief right, medicare negotiations, drug negotiations. these are crucial stuff, there needs to be more. >> do you think, dean release, peak to a lot of your, it's your radio show and -- . do you think the american public and voters are able to look at the substance, and not just the viral videos, and the superficiality? can they understand what is at stake here, if in fact it is joe biden as the nominee, versus donald trump? and it is crystallized for them? >> well, when democrats go on my, show they are overwhelmingly, with no exceptions, supporting joe biden. his age, they get more angry with that, his age isn't what's going on. not tell you, it's a referendum on trump the person, biden is not, biden represented all of the democratic values, there's a reason in 2022, we got better than we were supposed.

that's because joe biden made democracy the issue. that's going to be a big issue again. so, it's not joe biden, the person, frankly, it is donald trump though, the person that, will be a referendum on >> let me tell you something dean, if you want to be in front of the show, you need to get yourself that little -- that francesco has. i need to see you with that mike, i need to see you put a little more effort into it, and i will consider you as a fan of the. show >> but amen, what's my podcast? you said friend of the show because you can't see my podcast? >> well, my praises tell me something in my ear, and it says that we have to be right back francesca, i'm really sorry, i'm going to have to go. [laughter] francesca, dean, thank you to both you, greatly free shaded, i want to switch gears. my final thoughts, we're gonna head overseas, not something a little bit more serious, the devastating floods in libya, stay with. us stay with. us we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) with verizon business, we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility.

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