this is the katie phang show, live from miami florida, we have lots of news to come, lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. bumpy roads ahead, -- to end a historic strike that could cripple the u.s. economy. the -- joins us and minutes to weigh in on the path to resolution. trump, muzzled. special counsel jack smith with the twice impeached, triple indicted, one term ex president can say about the election interference case. how will this interfere in the other cases against trump and

his desperate bid to win back the white house? nbc legal analyst is standing by with in-depth and alice is you're not going to get anywhere else. mccarthy is a part to. the california congress person who made shady deal some house speaker caged to the radical right in orders the house to start a baseless impeachment inquiry against president biden. i want to know why this is the priority when they shut down to less than two weeks? all that a market mean up. a good sunday morning to you all. i'm katie phang. we begin today's show with new signs that the biden administration is working to end a labor strike that is grinding the auto industry to a halt. the white house this morning says advisor gene sperling and acting secretary of labor, julie su, are, quote, working the phones, and planned to be at the negotiating since early

in the week. this comes after a third straight day of around 13,000 union workers across three states are off the assembly lines and on the picket lines. as the united auto workers negotiators try to hammer out a deal with gm, ford, and chrysler owner. there is a glimmer of hope. the unions singling other negotiations with ford, calling them, quote, reasonably productive. michigan state senator, valerie -- joins us. now valerie, it's always so good to see. you what are you hearing right now from your constituents in michigan about the strike? >> katie, i gotta tell, you this is energy like we haven't felt in a long time. there were strikes back in 2019 with the uaw, and i have to admit, people on the lens felt really deflated. it feels like there is a lot of energy, new leadership, and uaw president sean vein is aggressive. there is optimism, there's a recognition that this is a pivotal moment, not only for the uaw, put the labor movement

on the whole, and it's centered on detroit. >> let's talk about one of the major sticking points in the strike, pay disparity. let's talk numbers bluntly. gmc you salary, $29 million, that's 362 times what companies median employee makes. still into says ceo makes 365 more than the median employee, and the ceo of four, make been 250 times what the median employee earns. how much of these staggering pay gaps figurine into the new demands for wage increases? >> this is a huge part of the arguments, and it is not calm and across the auto industry as a whole. you've seen some numbers, the ceos in japan, for example, some of the japanese automakers may make one or $2 million. so it's really common in the 1960s for ceos to earn on average 20 times the average worker pay. now we're seeing 300, 400 times

the average worker pay. this isn't a moment where we've spoken to one uaw worker, who says she hasn't gotten a raise and 13 years so adjusted to inflation, our workers are seen their rates go down. while ceo pay is skyrocketing. this is about doing the right thing. we know that this is a pivotal moment for the industry. all the workers want to see that they're in it together, that they're treated like partners, and not pilon's. >> you know, mallory, former president barack obama actually calling out some of the help of chrissy that exist at this time and a social media tweets. he basically said, plucked, we bailed out these companies. these motor companies, when they needed our help, we built them out during my administration, now what they need to do is step up and do right by the people that are laboring under that war. any thoughts on whether or not that messaging from barack obama can match with what the biden administration is doing by bringing people to help with the negotiations?

>> i think that's exactly right, cynthia on, that the biden administration is also investing billions of dollars into these companies, and to suppliers, to support the transition. we know that this is happening globally. this is a moment where if we do not lean, and get aggressive, then there is a huge risk that we lose our place in the world in terms of what it means for the united states's position as an american automotive powerhouse. i really appreciate president obama's words. it is directly aligned with what the biden administration is doing, and what they should demands from these companies to say, hey, we had your back when you needed it, the uaw had your back when you needed it, now you have to have their backs, it's time. >> yeah, and to that point, valerie, there were some things that the uaw negotiated and gave up a few years ago. they actually want to go back and renegotiate some of those terms. they're also calling for shorter work weeks, the restoration of some defined

benefit pensions, and stronger job security. these things just make sense, valerie. these don't sound like things that are not, you, know a typical, and that any worker would want to. have do you think there is a happy medium to be found here between the demands for the workers, and from what the companies think they can achieve? >> there absolutely is. it is going to require the companies to come to the table and recognize that it is important to all of us for these workers to have a living wage, to be able to have time, off to be able to have time to spend with their families. you know, this was the impetus for the creation of the five-day work week, in the first place. henry ford recognizing that his employees need a time with their families, and frankly, time and money to buy the products that they were producing. this goes back to the very history of the auto industry, and it is time for these rates, in this time of, to catch up to modern times. >> you know, that's a relief. it's a really interesting a fascinating historical

anecdote. thanks for bringing that up. michigan state senator, thank you for joining us, nigeria. you >> thank you. >> coming up in the next hour, uaw presidential, on, vandal joined my colleague, jonathan capehart, live on the sunday show with the latest on the strike negotiations, and what's happening on this picket lines. that's coming up at 9 am eastern, right here on msnbc. switching gears, it is still full spin ahead of fulton county georgia as the racketeering case against the twice impeached, quadruple indicted, disgraced one term ex president, and his 18 coconspirators, move to the next phase. the judge ordering the clerk to send subpoenas to a massive field of 900 potential jurors with the otherwise known as george emanation set to begin on october 23rd. these jurors are being assembled for the speedy trial that's been demanded by sydney powell. fulton county -- fani willis, the defense, counselor up against an october 9th deadline to submit proposed questions for these potential

jurors. in a separate room, lane judge mcafee scheduled a hearing for this wednesday, on whether or not the potential jurors will be shielded from the public. this is a major sticking point, since far-right websites posted the names and reported addresses up those fulton county grand jurors who handed the former president his fourth criminal indictments. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney of michigan, in the coast of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, barbara mcquade. barbara, let's look at jury selection. i'd love for you to come back on another day when we can spend an entire -- just on jury selection. let's talk about these, because you and i both know this will take forever. 450 potential jurors reporting on october 20th, 4:50 on october 27th. trial start date is october 23rd. let's talk about potential foggier areas. i'm going to put you on the spot. what kind of jurors would you be looking for for fani willis? >> you, know one of the things i learned, katie, when i was

selected during this, especially in high profile cases, is you don't necessarily want someone who has very strong political opinions, even if they favor your side. what you really want is open minded people who can work together in teams. so i think some of the kinds of questions that we'll be asking about them is, what do they do for a living? and what kind of experiences do they have working in groups? those are the kinds of questions i would be interested in, because i think that if you have someone with a strong opinion, even if it favors your side, it could be a polarizing presence in the jury room. >> how does that logistically work if you only have sydney powell going to trial in the 20th there, the other 17 codefendants have been severed according to judge mcafee. does that change of the jury selection process stating that the state has indicated evidence for one is evidence for all, and vice versa. >> i suppose in some ways, because donald trump is not in this first world, might make things a little more streamlines. as you say, i don't think it

eliminates that possibility altogether, that somebody would have a strong opinion about donald trump one way or the other. we're going to hear a lot about donald trump in this case. i'm sure they're going to hear the raucous burger call, they're going to hear about the efforts of the fake electors, they're going to hear about tampering with voting machines. i think they need to weed out anyone who has a strong prejudice that would prevent them from having a fair verdict. the question is, and have you heard of these people? like donald trump, of course, everyone started them. you might even support him. the question is whether you can set aside any predisposed opinions you may have, judged on the evidence to her in court. that's really what's the parties here are going to be looking for. someone who they think can be fair. a lot of this is based on an interest of the questions, and -- there is a bit of a vibe that you feel from the way people answer questions.

>> let's talk about something that is moving parallel tracks here. we do know judge mcafee is going to be dealing with the state's motion to not disclose the identities of the jurors that end up getting seated in this trial that's coming up on the 23rd, and likely the trials that come thereafter. we also see some similar movement from jack smith in that election interference case, in federal court in d.c.. asking judge shrunken to basically tell donald trump, you cannot speak, in a very narrow a limited way, the both of witnesses in the parties in this case. you cannot see anything disparaging. can you see how there is some serious parallels that are being driven and drawn between what's going on to fani willis is a sense, as well as that jacks mitt? >> yes, absolutely. i think there is a worry about the safety of the people involved in this case, or, or about prejudice. in the jury, based on things that donald trump is saying. you know, in georgia, i think that it's a no-brainer that you have to protect the identities of these people. it happens, it's rare, but in

high profile cases, small cases, terrorism cases, the jury's identities are protected. based on what we've seen in the harassment of threats in the grand jurors, they're already in this case. i think that there is a strong reason to believe that there is a similar fate would befall these jurors. then the federal case, you know, in a brief, they cite and show photos of the truth social post that donald trump has put out there, going after the judge, going after the parties, and item magic, and similar things would befall drawers if their names were known to the public. i think that it is a really hard line for some of these judges to draw, to make sure that they are not only giving donald trump a fair trial, a fulfilling their duties to protect the public. >> i've got less than a minute, i wanted to ask you, there are hearings are coming up monday and wednesday. i'll be in atlanta covering that. what are your, what's your prediction on whether or not any of these people, from jeff clark, to the three georgia fake electors, are going to be successful in their beds to

reboot the course -- consider what happened mike meadows? >> i think every case is a little different, of course, you have to look not only at the, role but at their conduct to see if they're within the scope of their duties. i think that mark meadows was a very good bellwether. in fact, if anyone has a strong case for removal, it was probably him. even his case this week because as the judge said, the conduct was not about governing, and doing their jobs. they were acting on behalf of the campaign, and engage in political activity. i think for the same reason that they are also likely to fall short of the standard. we'll have to see, because as we said, every case will be different. >> barbara mcquade, these things are coming fast and furious. that's why we're grateful to happy with. us thanks for joining us today. >> thank, you katie. >> when we come back, imaginary impeachment. house speaker, kevin mccarthy's flimsy impeachment probe into president biden, it's house of cards. this could still pose a serious political risk for a second

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awakens to get another possible government shutdown in just 13 days. while the government faces the possibility of running out of money, how speaker kevin mccarthy is showing americans

what republicans think is truly important. on thursday, in a closed-door meeting, mccarthy tying his radical right colleagues that were threatening to oust him from his speakership, go ahead and file the motion. at the same time, mccarthy's by leslie caving into marjorie taylor greene's repeated cries for impeachment of president biden without a scintilla of evidence of any wrongdoing. without a formal house vote, even reversing his previous position, mccarthy announced he's tasking the oversight judiciary and ways and means committee's to launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden and his family. the white house says the president has done nothing wrong, republicans have no basis for an impeachment inquiry. on wednesday, mccarthy said the inquiry has nothing to do with impeaching the president. >> so, all we're trying to do, it's not impeachment, nothing to do that, it's just answer these questions. had the president been truthful when he said he never talked to his sudden about business or never dealt with burisma, never

dealt with ukraine that way, we would never do this. it's not impeachment. nothing to do with that. timothy, former communications director of the january 6th when in the communications strategist of denton's global advisors joins us now. tim, kevin mccarthy there saying the quiet part out loud. if it's not about impeachment, as he clearly stated, while launch any inquiry whatsoever? >> well, i think what you see here, katie, and, good morning, thanks for having me, this is where you end up when you announced the results of an investigation before you do any investigating. this house majority, the republican majority, they've been saying exactly what they plan to do if they got power back in the house of representatives, even before they won the house of representatives back. the problem there is that when you announce the results from an investigation, you have to go out and find the evidence to get to those results. so, you end up with a whistleblower who disappears. turns out, on registered foreign agent. you have a star witness who

says president biden didn't have anything to do with his son's business dealings, and other whistleblower whose testimony is contradicted by the fbi agent conducting the investigation. finally, you have to escalate the investigation into this impeachment inquiry. it's supposed to unlock some sort of magical investigative power that the house doesn't already have, it doesn't work that way. kevin mccarthy doesn't have -- that's because he announce long ago that this is where they were gonna end up essentially. of course, because he and other acolytes of the former president ordering the former president's bidding and pushing ahead with the sham probe. >> tim, this is not the first time the gop is a hammer looking for a nail, that's par for the course, day and you know why for them. let's talk about how this could actually be stopped. during the trump administration, the doj's office of legal counsel issued an opinion that no committee may undertake impeachment without authority from the full house. mccarthy hasn't even taken a house vote, the pretense that

because speaker pelosi at the time announced the impeachment and then finally got the vote, he seems to think that she re-wrote the rules here. what's good for the goose is good for the gander though, right? >> that's exactly right. the republican majority are now having to live with all of the norms of the trump administration shredded. the house impeachment inquiry vote it is more than a talking point, as you point, out those the entire legal basis of the trump administration for refusing to cooperate with the impeachment probe in 2019. they didn't turn over a shred of records, dozens of witnesses refused to cooperate. that's the standard that the house majority is going to have to live with us as they seek information from the administration, presumably from witnesses and entities outside of the administration. there is no guarantee that they're gonna be able to get any more information. it's also worth pointing out that this house majority hasn't said what information they haven't been able to obtain. so far, as far as the chairman

of the oversight committee has indicated, the president and those around the president have cooperated with the ongoing house probe. again, just because they say we're in an impeachment inquiry, doesn't mean the house has some sort of untapped investigative power that they haven't been using yet. >> yeah, i want to stand up to him because i'm glad you brought it up. even though mccarthy can label it impeachment inquiry, it's like those committees that he announced, three of them, have any new powers or tools at their disposal. they've already been spinning their wheels with multiple committees investigating the bidens, had nothing to show for it thus far. so, how much should the democrats be harping on the fact that this is a literal waste of time and money trying to pursue this impeachment move. >> i think it's worth pointing that out, i think it's worth pointing out the hypocrisy of where the speaker is now. as you mentioned earlier, where 14 days away from a government shutdown. you have a house majority that is using its power to kick up

dust against donald trump's political opponent, just like donald trump's last investigators after investigator to do four years. the biden administration is to focus on all the positive accomplishments of the fact that one of the houses, one of the branches of government is focused on using its power to go after his political enemies. there is a record of accomplishment that the biden administration should be focusing on and not going tit-for-tat with the house majority in this investigation that so far hasn't produced any evidence. >> tim, i have less than a minute. i want to push back for a second. isn't it time that the biden administration, the bidens, they do pushback? i understand he is the sitting president, i know you should maybe get more oxygen to something that's bs and didn't deserve the oxygen, doesn't it also let the stink say if you don't push back and actually respond almost tit-for-tat for what they're coming out with? >> certainly speaker mccarthy

and the house committees need to be held accountable for every falsehood they tell, every innuendo that they insinuate somehow, ties to president, all this. absolutely, they need to be fact-checked. at the end of the day, the house majority knows binocular move the president. they know the senate isn't going to remove him from office. what's gonna happen is that if they do impeach, he is gonna be acquitted by the senate. they're gonna pick up dust and play create particle problems for the president. as much as able to push back and not let them kick up that dust, yeah, they do need to make sure that the house majorities lies are laid bare. >> they're typically all bark, no by. tim, welcome to the katie phang show. thanks for joining us this morning, i appreciate it. >> thanks so much. >> coming up next, reading the room. mike pence says he agrees with senator tommy tuberville is pro-life stance, holding up

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debate last month, pence is preparing for the second round by calling for the republican party to choose conservativism over trump's, quote, populism. during a campaign stop in iowa last tuesday, he was at one voter had to say about pence's christian agenda. >> mike pence, nobody wants your christian fascist bleep. get the bleep out of our country. get the bleep out of iowa. >> i'll put him down as a maybe. >> bless his heart. rick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project republican media strategist, and the author of running against the double, joins us now for our latest installment of, i'm just not that into either. rick, as you heard in that soundbite, a republican voter telling mike pence, we don't want your kirstjen fascist bs. so, why is america not that independence? >> there's a lot of reasons, mike pence only represents a narrow slice, even in the old republican party, it's just a social conservative, in your

bedroom, in your business part of the social conservative movement. that was narrow, even before trump. it's actually shrunk now that trump -- what they're into and what thereafter is the loud authoritarian state is, i'm not conservatism as mike pence claims to be representing. i want to say, it's a doomed era, it's a fools mission from the very beginning. mike pence has betrayed donald trump in the minds of a majority of the republican base by not illegally certifying his election or stopping the certification of biden's election back in 2021. this guy could not win, this guy could not win a school board election in america today because the market base will absolutely never vote for this guy. >> is pence appealing to a demographic that no longer needs him though? roe v. wade has been overturned, trump's opens the floodgates to the free flow of racism,

xenophobia, and hatred. i mean, they don't have to pretend anymore that they're good god fearing folks, right? >> no, not at all. if you want to look at other republican governors and leaders who are both in the party, in this contest, and outside of it, they are now going to discuss mental game marriage with -- they're gonna challenge, they're gonna start pulling back birth control. these people always tell you what they will do, and they're moving forward on it. they don't need mike pence to couch it in the piety of the past. they don't need mike pence to pretend to be this avuncular conservative guy who just wants the best for babies, because he doesn't. this is a man whose time has passed. this is a man who believes and nothing. he proved that already by becoming donald trump's vice president, almost being murdered by trump's mob, and then coming back and basically saying, yeah, he's a good guy, that it was a little tense, other than that, i'm okay with him. >> so, last week as well, rick, when i knew you're gonna be on

before this particular segment, i kind of chuckled. pence saying, he would consider woman for vice president before we start waving our feminist flags but that, but he would not dine along with her due to a promise he made to his wife when he was first elected to congress. i mean, rick, with all respect, right, is this proof of how out of touch mike pence's with modern-day americans? >> this is a victorian sensibility, it's a sensibility from the middle ages. i mean, the guy has not, he's not in touch with american society in anyway. look, mike pence was always a failure. the guy filled up over and over again. he was a terrible congressman. his first campaign, he got caught paying's own mortgage out of his campaign funds. he became of failed radio talk show host. it is certain nations had the old party of being the so called guy who is always gonna be able to go out further to the right than anybody else. i mean, mike pence is one knock

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democrats in texas this morning after the republican supermajority and the state legislature a quiz can paxton on all 16 articles of impeachment. quote, the texas senate's inability to see through the fog of politics does not change the facts that are now edged in the granite of the texas capital. paxton faces charges ranging from bribery to conspiracy and an fitness for office. he'd been suspended without pay since may. after hearing a slew of witness testimony alleging the paxton hundred needed leah beuse to's office to help is donor and friend nate paul, only to state senate republicans broke ranks to join democrats voted in favor of conviction on some articles of impeachment. paxton was immediately reinstated. of course, has republican allies were quick to celebrate his acquittal, including the disgraced ex president who called it a, quote, historic

texas sized victory. just like trump, paxton's legal troubles are far from over. joining me now is tony, investigative reporter at austin american-statesman. tony, i know you've been, i was gonna say, knee-deep, i want to say shoulder deep in this since day one. you were there for this trial. explain to me, make this makes sense, despite 70% of house republicans voting to impeach paxton in may, only two of 19 voted in favor of conviction for any article of impeachment. what happened here? >> well, here's one explanation. that is when the house voted on those articles of impeachment, it was after a secret investigation. so, the timeline, this is one of the main criticisms, the timeline is very tight from when these articles of impeachment were made public to when they were voted on. unlike the senate trial, there were weeks and months leading up to the senate trial. the trial itself was two weeks.

katie, in that time, we saw an epic political machinery fire up here in texas with the far-right, those ultraconservatives launching major political campaigns, targeting senators they thought were at risk for impeaching ten paxton. >> how much of a threat made by paxton and his allies to retribution do you think played into the final calculus of those votes made by any of those texas senate republicans? >> i can get absolutely made a difference. there were senators who may have been inclined to impeach ken paxton but then saw the political pressure that was being mounted on them. maybe changing their position. at the same time, we're not hearing from any of the senators in a direct way. some of them have been factually statements. it's important to know that some of the statements we have

seen from the senators who voted against impeachment. they say in their statements that they don't necessarily clear kevin paxton but that they did not believe that the house impeachment managers, the prosecution, met its burden of proof. it's very interesting because as we know, that's the highest standard for conviction here in texas. >> let's be clear for our viewers, in order to achieve a conviction, even in an impeachment process, what was the standard that the prosecutors had to me, even in an impeachment setting? >> yeah, that was that, it was the burden of proof, by the way, it was a standard that the senator set for themselves in terms of drafting the rules for the impeachment. keep in mind, as one attorney here in texas told me, the burden of proof to remove your child from your home, for the state to take your child away from you, it's clear and

convincing evidence. certainly this bar going into it was going to be a challenge to reach. when you layer on the political forces, experts on the ground who've been following this case, political scientists who've been following this case, they say it was, in many ways, doomed from the start. >> okay, tony, for those of us that believe in the rule of law, hope is not lost. paxton is still facing the following, a trial on felony state securities fraud charges, also remains under a separate fbi investigation for comments relating to paul. may lose his law license as well for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. it's safe to say that paxton isn't in the legal clearing it, right? >> absolutely not. all layer on one more on top of that. the eight, excuse me, for plaintiffs who are part of the eighth, a group of eight that went to the fbi initially, they

still have a pending whistleblower lawsuit against ken paxton, going back in time, it is the after. and ken paxton's effort to settle that lawsuit for three point $3 million earlier this year. that triggered this whole house investigation and the drafting of those impeachment articles. that case, by the way, it was never settled with those whistleblowers. so, now, in the coming months, we can also see that case go to a courtroom here in travis county where much of the same evidence could or likely would be presented again. katie, in front of a very different set of jurors. >> tony, i have a second left. i have to ask, who's paying for these legal fees for compacted, and for all of this litigation in criminal and civil court? >> largely the taxpayers are paying for this. that was one of the things that

troubled the speaker of the house from -- and members of the house who voted overwhelmingly here for the articles of impeachment. they said, if we're going to pay three point $3 million in taxpayer money to cover and settle this lawsuit, to cover the lawsuit settlement we have to understand what you're up to or what you've been up to near office. again, that's the rub between the different factions of the republican party here in texas. >> i thought florida had it rough. tony, i'll see you in texas a few days in the great city of austin. looking forward to it. tony, thanks for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. coming up next, children in jeopardy, the end of pandemic-era safety nets plunges millions of american children back into poverty, how democrats and congress are fighting to save our youngest

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learning another tough lesson in what happened with some republicans picked politics over people. new data from the sums this bill reveals child poverty in the united states more than doubled in 2022. up from a record low of 5.2% just a year prior. that low came after president biden in 2021, at the height of the pandemic, signed a nearly two trillion dollar stimulus into law that included temporarily expanding the child tax credit, giving some families up to $300 per child per month. that relief would be short-lived. the expansion would expire at the end of that year, republicans who opposed the expansion would win a slim majority in the house. with a little help from senator joe manchin, congress would fail to expand the credit.

here's what senator cory booker has to say about this unnecessary rise and child poverty. >> this moral obscenity of the richest nation in the world having the highest poverty rates is not an accident, it's not destiny, it's not inevitability, it's people in this institution making a policy choice. >> peggy bailey, vice president of housing and income security at the center on budget and policy priorities joins us now. peggy, explain to the viewers how big of a lifeline where these pandemic-era programs, including the expansion of the child tax credit for our families? >> katie, thanks for having me here today. it was a huge, it was a huge, it was a huge difference for families and kids. they were able to pay their rent, they were able to pay for food, they were able to pay for childcare. the difference these dollars

made in these kids lives could have lasted for a long time if we had been able to extend them. particularly extend the child tax credit. >> he report found the number of children living in households under the poverty line went from 7.2 million in 2020 to 3.8 million, it dropped precipitously in 2021, he went way back up to 9 million in 2022. our viewers are looking at that chart on the screen right now. peggy, views are not numbers that we're looking, at those are children who are talking about with the highest poverty rates, often hitting hispanic and black children the hardest. i, mean there is a reason why this tax credit was so critical to be able to sustain family, it's not just through the pandemic era. >> right, the point about the difference it makes for black and lenox kids is critical. we saw this year that the

poverty rate for black children increased by 11%. increased by 12%. for a lot of kids, it only increased by 4.5%. so, the difference these resources can make in closing the financial and economic gap for kids of color, it's enormous. i'm gonna leave it with all this bed, dire story, right? as senator -- said, poverty is a policy choice. we can make a difference, we showed during the pandemic that we need the first steps towards making that difference. not just been able to reverse the trend to make that difference, but those first ups are what's needed to end poverty in the u.s.. we shouldn't put up with poverty in america. we should treat it like the crisis that it is. like we did during the pandemic, it made a huge difference in

kids lives. >> so, how do we bridge that difference them? the numbers are stark, the results can be positive when you literally see a plan that's implemented and has this type of positive impact on our children. how do you convince the other side that it can be, as i said, politics over people? >> in a way, you convince the other side, you show the impact it could have on kids. visual money that families had helped them pay their rent, federal rental assistance right now only reaches one and four families. extra cash for families helps them pay the biggest bill they have. it also helps reduce child welfare, kids have the food they need to go to school and have a safe place to sleep. and they have, they're able, parents are able to take care of their kids. finally we know it increases

educational comes her children in the long run. kids do better in school which eventually means that as adults will be able to work and make more money, they'll be able to thrive when they have their own children. so, that's how we convince the other side. poverty should not be a partisan issue, it's a bipartisan issue. we all care about families, kids, and kids being able, us being able to set kids up for the future. >> peggy bailey, thanks for joining us on this really important issue, i appreciate your insight. >> thanks, katie. >> and that does it for me this morning. stay tuned because coming up in just a few minutes, speaker meredith, nancy pelosi, he joins my colleague, jonathan kaye part, on the sunday show. she'll talk with her decision to run for a 20th term in congress and house speaker kevin mccarthy's impeachment probe into president biden. i want to thank all of you for joining me this morning on the katie phang show. you can keep up with a strained week by following at katie

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