zero. and they want to say that what is unfair is that trump is facing 91 indictments in four different jurisdictions where he was indicted by a jury of his peers. not democrats, not biden, not the biden administration, but by the people. >> that's exactly right. congresswoman, good to see you. thank you for joining. us we apologize for the technical problems, but it is always great to hear from you. the democratic representative, jasmine crockett, of texas. she knows what she speaks. she's a member of congress, she was a member state house in texas. still to come on velshi. from a recess has come to an end and the fun is over and the next two weeks are going to put kevin mccarthy's leadership to the test as he struggles to unite the house republicans and we are going to get into the threats, the closed-door meetings, and the f bombs. another hour of velshi begins right now. good morning. it is sunday, september the 17th. i'm ali velshi. we begin this morning with the crisis of leadership inside the

republican party that is poised to unleash painful consequences about the whole country. some recess. over the first to back for the house of representatives was in fact chaos. house speaker kevin mccarthy has been unable to move forward with crucial appropriations bills or government spending bills, and it's not because democrats and republicans are fighting with one another. the fighting is happening among republicans. there have been ultimatums,, insults thrown between members, closed-door meetings, and no progress on anything substantive for which the house is actually responsible. and listen to essential the government will shut down, if nobody's past, mccarthy announced that he will open an impeachment inquiry into president joe biden. now that is a gambit that is certain to fail. and i don't mean that mccarthy can't possibly get biden removed from office if not just impeach of the house, but a trial and a vote in the senate. it is unclear if a mccarthy can win impeachment vote in the house. it's unpopular with a small

remaining faction of the republican party that still cares about governing. which is probably why mccarthy opened the impeachment inquiry without holding a vote, as is customary. i had earlier indicated that he would do. but why would the speaker of the u.s. house of representatives who is the first and third in line to the presidency launched a project that appears to be both strategically and politically unwise? well that's easy. it's because he owes that important job to a small band of far-right conspiracy peddling when that's who belong to the cult of donald trump. n th>> mccarthy barely got a joa speaker, took him 15 ballots to win the election, and then a handful of members of his own party refused round after round after round to vote for him, preventing him to having a majority. a group of 20 republicans voted against mccarthy's speakership, most of them were addressed by trump, most of them are election deniers. 14 of them voted to overturn

the 2020 election on january 2021. in order to convince those holdouts to stand down, mccarthy agreed to a series of concessions, including more ultraconservative freedom caucus members to the rules committee which dictates the flow of legislation on the floor. he also agreed to appoint members like marjorie taylor greene to leadership positions, and crucially, he agreed to lower the required number of members to force a vote ousting the speaker, something that is called a motion to vacate the chair. five members, to one, that becomes important. amid becomes one far-right publican could call for a vote to remove mccarthy around his job. so, with that agreement, kevin mccarthy put himself in his speakership at the mercy of any one member of the chaos caucus. his job, his power, at the mercy, a for example, a guy like matt gaetz. and there's a lot to suggest that gaetz is exercising that power. before the summer recess, mccarthy said that if the house

launched an impeachment inquiry, he would first hold a vote on whether to proceed with. it but then on tuesday, gaetz said on the house floor, quote, mister speaker, you are out of compliance with the agreement that allowed you to assume this role, and quote. by role, he means speaker of the house. gaetz continued. quote, the path forward is to either bring you into immediate, total compliance or remove you pursuant to a motion to vacate the chair. and quote. gaetz essentially telling mccarthy, do it our way, or you are out. soon after that, mccarthy announced unilaterally that he was opening an impeachment green to president biden, no vote. matt gaetz call that a baby step. but gaetz is not the only chaos caucus member who might be flexing his muscles. marjorie taylor greene tweeted that just two days before mccarthy announced the impeachment inquiry, she and trump had a quiet dinner wearing matching hats. trump has been pushing the impeachment of joe biden on

truth social, and his fundraising emails, and his text during his rallies, and for her, part marjorie taylor greene says she told trump that she won the impeachment inquiry to be, quote, long and exclusively be painful for joe biden, and quote. it all came to head on thursday. mccarthy held a closed-door meeting, when the reportedly begin by with him telling his conference, quote, if you think you scare me because why are filing a motion to vacate, move the effing motion, and quote. he said the whole word. the gop is right now in crisis. about the minority, just about 20 of, them who under the influence of the quadruple e indicted twice impeached ex president appears to be holding sway over the speaker of the house, and therefore, over what kind of work gets done in congress. and for that reason, we've got a doomed impeachment inquiry instead of a budget this week. for more on this, i'm joined by the former republican congress men charlie dent, who represented pennsylvania's 15th district, he is now executive

director and vice president of the aspen institute congressional program. also with, us stewart's evens, see your visor for the lincoln project, he previously served as chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. stu is the author of multiple books, including it was all a lie, how the republican party became trump, became donald, trump and the upcoming -- the conspiracy to end america, how our old party is driving america to autocracy. could see. you charlie, mr. with, you because even in congress, we just heard my conversation, i think, with jasmine crockett, who is currently in congress. she believes actually that we are headed for budgetary impasse and a possible government shutdown. and mccarthy is busy with this impeachment nonsense. >> it does for the core headed towards a shutdown, in, fact it resembles the 2013 situation. it is so unnecessary. look, you've got a group of hard-liners out there. they are trying to use their leverage and hold everyone

hostage. they hold their breath, in the way for bielsa turned blue. hold their breath, in the way fo>> there's a simple way o. this all chemically to do over hakeem jeffries and say, i need your help. i'm gonna need to pass for many votes, clean some disastrous, instance and maybe pull over. they can get that with democrats to support. that is the way it. because you've got mokgweetsi others, we want to the speaker, down there threatening the motion to vacate emma speaker. so i think mccarthy have taken up is, that he simply autumn arduous immensely, you're gonna do, and get this done. that's the way. out but so far, kevin mccarthy has not been want to do that. and he heard himself in the impeachment inquiry because the democrats are less likely to cooperate because of the impeachment inquiry because he did not have the votes in the house to pass. so he's put himself in a bit of a box. >> so, stewart, what charlie said, but it is sound so obvious unreasonable, he says mccarthy just wants to do what

he wants to do. mccarthy who, by the way, is able to impeach joe, because he's not that's gonna work. he can't do that. it's 20 people on one, side 20 people now decide who wanted constituencies that joe biden won and yet this 20 have got control over kevin mccarthy. explain to me the math on this, and why this is happening. >> look, i think it's part of a complete collapse the republican party. i mean, ultimately, we talk about this group in that group. but if republicans in the group just join together and said, we are actually interested in governing, there's a lot of pass. there's a lot of past what gaetz wants to do. nobody likes his people. everybody goes along with it. and it is really extraordinary to see a party that is completely lost any belief that it is governing party. republican party just now chose to beat democrats. it is like a cartel or a syndicate.

nobody asks opec, what is your higher purpose, and that's what the republican party is about. and if they think going in for a presidential election and talking about hunter biden's laptop in impeaching joe biden, is gonna be persuasive to people, they're going to lose these seats. these 18 members out there and district biden warns. we lose a lot of them, it's gonna be a bad year for, them and hopefully they'll realize that in try to start governing the country. >> but surely, this is important stewards. as was talking about was a good lie, nobody asked opec whether higher purposes. but the republican party in america and the conservative movement in america should appeal to a very broad range of people in america. there is a real opportunity for conservatives. on a talk about this to stewardess ekin, but you saw mitt romney saying, i'm throwing in the towel. that makes a lot of people said, but a lot of people who liked him say that mitt romney was a fair opponent to have on their.

he was admitted principles, and he has decided that this fight is not worth it. >> yeah, of course. mitt romney is a wonderful man. an honorable man. a very good public servant. but i think the republican party needs to become, as you said, a governing party. and what i mean, is that we have to define that. i think we have to believe in a strong national defense, we have to believe in free markets with a moderate, reasonable regulation, and it needs to be socially tolerant. that is among other things. i think that's where the party needs to go, but we are not having that conversation. what happens since donald trump has taken the reins of the party is that we have trumpism, which is nativism, isolationism, protectionism, a times nihilism. and it is just really, we are in a very bad place as a party. and we have to be honest, trump is moving, is that we can name like a governing party. and the good news is, back in the spring of may or june, when they were they cut the deal on

the debt, sealing i thought kevin mccarthy did a good job cutting a deal. but then his right-wing takes his legs out from under him and basically undermines the agreement. i think we simply just have to push aside these characters. there is a way to do it. most of these members don't want to deal with that group that wants to blow the place up every day. there is a way out. but the party has to be for someone who is forward-looking, and returns to something that was better. we had to have it for people like mitt romney in congress, the kind of the republican guys that identified. with >> let's talk about that. the way that the party goes down the road it's talking about is to leadership, it is through people. charlie talks about there but we can, party the new republican party, in the republican party that folks on strong national defense, free markets, and being socially tolerant. that describes mitt romney. >> yeah, you know, i don't think people abandoned it.

ople>> the conclusion i came to after trump was that a lot of these things but i think we're values just turned out to be, for most of these people, marketing slogans. character counts. stronger national defense. the deficit matters. it's not that the party has drifted away from those things, the party has become opposed to those things. and why do you do that? you only do that if you never really believed in these things. so, i really don't see a path forward, as long as republican party rejects every chance it has to go in a different direction. it could impeach donald trump. they didn't. well they'll trump's. back you have someone who is a majority leader of the senate who is, minority, and who is afraid to say donald trump's name. mitch mcconnell wants a donald trump's name. so, at a certain point, leadership has to be about something close to courage, and

this is a party that has become dominated by cowardice. >> and, charlie, do you see that ability to get the party there or somehow, or are you one of those people who shares the view that the republican party is going to have to the sort of almost crunched out of existence before can rebuild. can the hold be taken back on the party at any point in the near future? >> in the near future, i don't think so. and that's really concerns. me but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. those of us who want to get back to something better. and what stuart just said about some of these convictions who were not strongly-held, or i gotta tell you, ali. i remember back when donald trump proposed tariffs on, naming a national security on still loom to places like canada. i objected to that in the caucus. i thought this was a strong hill position that we believed in freer trade, and this is insulting to go to our canadian allies and say, you know, your national security threat, so

are going to post tariffs on your still looming. am i, said it had barack obama proposal like that, we would've had a bill on the floor that day, and we would've stuck it you know where, and i said we should do the same thing now that donald trump has done. it and i was shocked so many of my colleagues in time didn't want to lift a finger. i said, but this was a core principle. and i just woke up and said that maybe some of these principles weren't that strongly held. answered all trump just in and go on a completely different direction and too many would just blindly follow him. >> i will tell, you charlie. you are also welcome on the show. but saying these nice things about canada just got you your next invitation, will be scheduling with u.s. soon as we go to a commercial. thanks to both of you guys, great to see you both, former republican representative charlie dent of pennsylvania and stuart stevens senior advisor at the lincoln project. thanks. the ceo general motors made $29 million last year. that is 362 times the annual income earned by the median gm employee. this paid apps become one of

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corruption in state owned companies. he's also the head -- justice campaign, name for his former lawyer, sergei magnitsky, who died in russian prison, after exposing fraud by government officials. he was also the -- a true story of russian money laundering, murder, and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. it's good to see you, never under good circumstances. i would ask you about vladimir and this op-ed, the way he got it out, and the fact that he's making an argument that is why vladimir kara-murza is a leader. he saying that something is possible, that seems at the moment entirely implausible and impossible. >> for the exact reason that he has called effectively called putin the king who's not wearing any clothes, that's why he's in jail for 25 years. he's brave enough to say the obvious, which is that, why would russians want this

dictator? what would they want to put themselves in this position, where you have a dictator, a kleptocrat, a murderer, controlling their lives? in their country? he's right. russian people, there's a rumor, or there is a myth that putin is somehow popular. it's just not true. russian people are just too afraid to say anything about him, because if you do, look what happens to vladimir, look what happened to all sorts of enemies. they get kill, they get imprisoned, think it all sorts of things. vladimir is stating something for us, which is very obvious, he sees it for himself, russian people don't want to be living in this terrible situation. and he's absolutely right, when the pressure cooker keeps increasing pressure on the russian people, at some point is going to blow. we don't know when, we don't know how. but it will blow. >> bill, in this country, we have a whole lot of people who believe that the 2020 election was stolen, and on and on.

because they hear it on social media, and they see it in media that tells them that. how does that work in russia? do people get proper information? can they critically examine the information they get, given the restrictions that are on the media in russia? >> i would say at this point, no. there used to be a thin sliver of free media, have a couple opposition newspapers, some web channels, and so on. when the war started in february of last year, all of that was shut down completely. and so, all the russians really no, it is the propaganda they see on television, and they hear, and then their lives. which are completely not great. 1 million young men left the country because they didn't want to be sent to ukraine, and become cannon foreigner in putin's murderous war. they were not --

they were obviously not believing what they saw on television. those are the ones that had the economic resources to do so, a lot of people in russia just don't. i would say a lot of it's kind of hard to cover up the -- terrible war that they're losing. that there's drones coming in, attacking moscow and various other places. everybody knows somebody. many -- drafted to the front. you can't get netflix and instagram, and all this other stuff that used to be able to get, you can travel. -- life is obviously different, not good. there is no propaganda that can change. that there's probably a few nationalists out there, but there's a lot of people just saying, i want to have a normal life. why is this happening to me? why is this monster creating this terrible situation for us. >> there's an interesting interest section between what you've done -- people in other countries who can have influence, to cause

countries that have human rights abuses to try and do the right thing. you are saying that the same thing needs to happen for people like vladimir kara-murza. as far as you're concerned, he is not fully lawfully detain person, and in america, leaders from both political parties should be agitating for his release. >> there is a special provision under the u.s. law, it's called the levinson act, which says that if a person is given the status of unlawfully detained, the u.s. government will use all tail available to it, to push for that person's freedom. evan gershkovich got the status, and he deserved. it vladimir kara-murza satisfies all the legal criteria, has not gotten the status. it will be hearings in washington on wednesday this week, to impress to the state department, why is vladimir clara mers of not being given the status of unlawfully detained, so the u.s. government can fight for his release? and as you mentioned, there's lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, we had a letter to the

state department that was signed by 50 senators, half democrats, half republicans, 33 members of the house of representatives, pushing on the state department to give vladimir the status. vladimir is now, i would say, the most beloved political prisoner from the west he's the guy who stands up for the -- russia should be. he's the person who says russia peacefully coexist. he's one who said that this war shouldn't be happening. he's one who said that ukraine should be given reparations. he's the one that we should be fighting for, in addition to evan gershkovich's, so that he can be freed and he can be the voice of the russian opposition. not dying in prison. >> if anybody knows how to move the leaders of power, you are certainly one of those people. i wanna point out, if you're magnitsky act, which you have had implemented in many countries, it's now been introduced in serbia. they're launching a legislative process says that may result in

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21%. 21% is half of the rays that the union is requesting. consider this, stellantis's own ceo, carlos tavares, total in -- 22% in this single year, in 2022. general motors ceo has received a 34% increase over the last four years. 40 oh, jim farley, who made more than $20 million last year, made about 21% more than his predecessor did in 2019. but raises only tell part of the story. carlos tavares still makes 365 times more than the median stellantis a ploy. mary bera, makes 362 times with the median gm employee earns. jim farley salary is about 281 times more than the median ford employee earns. joined now by robert reich, who

served as the united states labor secretary in the clinton administration he's, now a -- also with me, one of america's foremost labor leaders, sarah nelson, who is currently serving her third term as the president of -- cwa. welcome to both of you. this is important conversation, i'm glad to have you both here. sarah, let's start with you, because you and i have start sometime last few months talking about the summer of worker impairment. when you're looking at on the surface, you're asking for 40% raised over the course of a contract. they're saying, our bosses got these races. the share prices are. up the profitability -- a have a piece of the action if there's a cut, there's cost cutting involved. if there's tough times, if there's recessions, if there's covid. but not that much of a hurry to get the money to the workers when times are good. and right now, for the auto companies, times are good. >> the demands are within the

range of what the american we are expects, and should expect. after years of cuts, and concessions, and don't forget, when the auto companies were in trouble, it was the workers who bail them out right alongside the american public. they took incredible concessions, including this tier system that means that some of the workers, the majority of workers, actually, are making far less pay. do not have secure retirement, to have to have secure health care and retirement, and they're fighting to end all of that. they're fighting to turn around the wrong direction that this company, that this country has been going and. the expansive difference between ceos, billionaire class, but the average worker in the country who makes this country run. >> and that's kind of the point for a lot of people. we're not all suffering. you talk to the average american, and they'll tell you they're having a hard time making ends meet, with inflation. but actually the whole country is not suffering.

lots of people are not -- if you got money to invest in the stock market, you'll be doing particularly well. and if you are a white-collar executive in this country, you have fared really well. but if you go back over time, you and i have talked about this many times, over 50 years, and you look at the median worker in this country, there are many cases earning less than what they were 50 years ago. >> that's exactly right. in fact, it's shocking when you look at 1969. 1969, the average weekly, non supervisory wage, that's the way different people who are non-managers and not supervisors, was higher, adjusted for inflation, than it was today. and so, you have an economy that over the last 48 to 45 years, 50 years, has done wonderfully well overall, has exploded. it's about two and a half times what it was then. but the typical worker, the non supervisory workers, the worker on the front line, is actually

worse off. but terms of real purchasing power. in terms of, non inflationary, ingested for inflation, and this is ridiculous. we used to have an economy that works for everybody. now we have an economy that works for people at the top. the big investors, and the ceos, and the top executives. that's not only unfair, it doesn't even sustain itself. >> where are all the consumers gonna come from, if people don't have money in their pockets? even henry ford understood this, at the start of the last century. that's why he gave everybody in forward a race. because he understood that, where are the people going to come from to buy the new model t forwards, if they don't have money in their pockets? i think that we have got totally off course, we now have a two tiered structure of the economy, and this is not only unfair, it's bad for the economy overall.

>> sarah, tell me what your thoughts are on this. >> so secretary reich is a hunted percent correct, and the only thing that i would say is that henry ford came to that conclusion -- and the fighting autoworkers made him come to that conclusion, when they built up the union contracts, and built up what many praised as the middle classed. the next standard of living, the standard of living we should expect as american workers, and the promise of what this country has been -- this is a country for everyone to prosper. and everyone to equal lee prosper in this country. >> both of you stay there, i want to talk about the new approach that some of these unions are taking, and terms of trying to get the concessions they need out of the companies, when we come back. sarah nelson, and robert reich, stick with us, more velshi after the break. after the break.

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ongoing for a long time. the writers guild, the sag-aftra strike, u.p.s. managed to avoid a strike with the teamsters, in which the teamsters got some remarkable concessions. but still stuff happening around the edge, with amazon, and starbucks. but we've got union leaders, like shawn -- and the teamsters union, who are saying i understand that this could affect the economy, to have strikes like this. i understand it -- but we're doing this. this is the moment we have to use to fix these things, i'm sorry if it's gonna hurt some other people, while we get what's to do us. what do you think? >> strikes are not things that anybody enjoys. it's not as if workers really say oh, great, we're now going on strike. no. in my experience, striking workers really do sacrifice. the funds that a lot of these unions have to help their workers during the strike, are not very much. and there are a lot of other ancillary workers who are

injured but. the importance of a strike is to develop and enforce counter veiling power against these large corporations that have become larger and more powerful overtime. what workers have is the ability to strike. they don't have very much else. at a time when corporate profits have soared, at a time when corporations are providing to their investors huge stock buybacks. at a time when ceo pay is out of control. a strike is all that's left. that's the way the workers, since at least the national labor relations act in the mid 30s, that's the way workers have to respond. that is the tool they must use. >> sarah, this is something that similar in your industry. the automakers came out with statement saying we've made very good offers to the autoworkers, and they're far

better than the automakers who operate in the united states, who are not unionized. they're making the argument that we are paying our unionized members than those others that are not unionized. this is often an argument that companies use when talking about striking workers. >> what's going to happen is that workers are going to win here. they're going to stick together. i wanna be very clear, times have changed. 75% of the american public are with the autoworkers striking. that's a big change, and that's showing that the narrative that it's the workers who choose to strike, rather than the companies who are now bargaining with us fairly, are the ones who are putting the economy on its head. no it's, been the zack executives who have done that and the workers, with the backing of the american public, are gonna turn that around. we're gonna strike, and turn this around. the workers are doing that everywhere, and are prepared to do it everywhere. flight attendants at american airlines have just took a 99.5%

vote. alaska airlines flight attendants, -- to take on these countries companies to get what we deserve. workers are prepared to do would ever intakes. it does hurt, but i also want to recognize that uaw is being very smart about this. they're using the strike tactic that is much like one did our union uses, called chaos, and they're going to roll out the strikes on the unions time. workers can also be creative. robert reich is correct that this is our one tool that we have to stand up for ourselves, but we can also be smart about it. and we can do this in a way that can be sure that we can be one day longer, and when they stronger than the company. and that's exactly what happens on the writer strike, and the sag-aftra strike, and the -- at the guild there. and they are doing this, and they're gonna stay doing this, until they win. >> there might be one other tool they're strikers have, today, and that's joe biden, and this administration, which

is very pro-union. every time i talk to the administration about these things, they like to look like they're not putting the thumb on the scale, if the strike goes on into this next week, we know that -- might get themselves involved. what does that look like? >> well, it's a very good question. i hope they get involved in the sense that they make it very clear, to the workers, to the companies, and to the public, that the administration is on the side of working people. there should be no question about it. and all of these industries, this is not only the auto industry, you see over the last four years, that profits have soared. that stock buybacks have soared. but actually, worker pay has gone almost nowhere. if you look at the future, with artificial intelligence, workers need some protection, they need some security, and

when we're talking about workers, we're talking about most people in this country. we're not talking about a fall small group of unionized workers, those unionized workers are, in a sense, representing all workers, because all workers need to raise. so i hope the biden administration comes out very squarely, and unambiguously, for the workers. >> thanks to both of you. we're gonna watch this all very closely together, thank you robert reich, they former -- sara nelson is the president of association of flight attendants, cwa. that does it for me, thanks for watching. catch me back here -- and don't forget, velshi is also available as a podcast. follow and listen for free, wherever you get your podcasts. inside, with jen psaki, begins right now. right now. the >> question of the week. does donald trump know -- and that campaign events. the former president continues to incriminate himself, as they get his allies in the house --

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