psaki. she's with me just a few minutes. we're going to talk about the lack of an impeachment case against president biden, and the huge rescue republicans are taking by pursuing its. a new column criticizing biden's inner circle, plus, the had made in hainan about the vice president that seem to come out of left field this past week. later, the new trump interview on meet the press, and whether the former president just added to his own legal problems. >> as they put you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with donald trump in an exclusive interview. sitting down with new meet the press moderator, christian walker, on a wide array of issues, and his role in the january 6th capitol attack. here is his take on potentially

ending up behind bars. >> when you go to bed at night, you were going to jail? >> no, i don't, really. i don't even think about it. i'm, i have had people come up to me and say, how do you do, it sir? i don't even think about it. >> meanwhile, in a 2024 race for the white house, the new cbs news poll shows that trump is in a statistical dead heat with biden. with 51% of biden voters saying that they are mostly opposing the other candidates, and 61% of trump voters and they are mostly supporting him. new today, nancy pelosi is clarifying her position on the biden harris ticket, with an appearance slight shift from earlier comments about whether vice president harris is the strongest running mate. she told my colleague, jonathan kaye part. >> this is our ticket, we're proud of it. we're going from here.

it's in minutes. i think that's if it's an attempt to try to inject some disarray into how we go forward. >> a new reaction on the ballot between conservative republicans and other republicans and democrats over a possible government shutdown. >> look, i want to make sure that we don't shut down. i don't think that is for the american public. i definitely believe it will make our hand weaker. >> stop fighting each other and the reckless, we're apprehensible, republican civil war. what we should be focused on right now is a 14 and unnecessary government shutdown that will hurt the ability of our economy to continue to recover. >> so let's go to nbc's julie tsirkin, a capitol hill, with more on that new reaction from health leadership. i know that you spoke with house speaker, kevin mccarthy today. what did he tell you about everything going on in the house right now? >> yes, i did speak to the speaker, and it was my first time seen him since thursday

when he sent the house a call when he was unable to move through any of these bills that they had. there were some disagreements among republicans over defense spending, to show you where they are. look, bottom line, and they don't fund the government, of two weeks from today we can be looking at a shutdown, right? that's the time they have left. the clock is ticking. mccarthy knows that. he said he's going to keep all of its members and starting next week. he told me that after negotiations continued over the weekend. they're not there yet. he believes that next week that could come to some kind of agreement to get all of that on your screen, that whole list. figure it out amongst his own party. he also talks impeachment, right? does the other thing that he's dealing with here. he watched an inquiry without a vote, of course he doesn't help them because some of those moderate members, including -- as we talked about yesterday, they are opposed to it. here's what he had to say on that note. on the flipside, you'll hear from raskin, he's the top democrat on the house oversight committee. watch this. >> i don't subpoena anyone. >> jim jordan?

>> i love committees do their work. >> the one thing the american public has to understand is there is a strategy behind everything. we only follow facts. >> if they come forward this in particular is impeachment, we will make them demonstrate what are the factual building blocks of this. we're going to say, all right, if this is really about misdemeanors, show us the evidence. what is the factual evidence? what are you talking about? >> -- knows a thing or two about finding evidence. he worked with house democrats to pursue that impeachment against the former president. he was, of, course on the january six select committee as well. back to mccarthy. it's interesting, he said he's going to defer to jim jordan and the house committee chairs investigating this. when it comes to subpoena, hunter biden, he didn't take it off the table. house republicans are still in their fact finding mission. they're pursuing this inquiry. they have not been able to find any appearance that links hunter biden to his father, but it's something that they vowed to continue, and build support on. if you're speaker mccarthy. >> to your point, absolutely.

they are connecting the two at this point. thank you very much, julie. good to see you. joining me right, now msnbc colleague, jen psaki. host of inside with jen psaki. hello. can we remind people that you are a former vice president pricier terry. >> that's true to. >> i'm really glad to have you. here give me a sense,, jan of what is the best approach for democrats, and the white house on this whole impeachment issue. is there an obvious strategy? >> well, i asked congresswoman about this on my show in the last hour. she basically said you can't ignore it. they're trying to pursue it even though it's bogus, even though it's not based on evidence. you have to really call it out. when we saw jamie raskin to that on our show this morning, camilla jayapal did, that senator fetterman had a quite a funny response multiple times and he was asked about it. you have to call it out, this is going to be a process. they clearly, politically, want to push this.

it's both calling out the absurdity, but also, fact checking things that they're saying publicly. that is important to. >> jen, is it maybe easier, or let's say, can democrats leverage the opinion of even conservative republicans, like ken buck, who called the impeachment flimsy, and then, listen, there is this -- >> they did it to me, and had they not done it to me, i think, and nobody officially said this, but i think that they're not that it to me, then i'm very popular. they like, me i like them, the republican party. perhaps you wouldn't have been done to them. >> doesn't trump admitting this impeachment is some form of retribution totally delegitimized the entire effort? >> i mean, it should. also, what should delegitimized is that it's not based on actual facts or evidence, right? there have been presidents of both parties who have been impeached in the past, there's history here. there is nothing, there's

nothing this is based on that show delegitimized it on its own. >> so do you think the public ultimately views this as nothing more than a partisan theater? and that, why it benefits president biden's and democrats. >> look, that's how it should be viewed. i don't think we know that yet in terms of how the public visas, because it is pretty fresh, just happened this past week. every time you have one of these members go out and say we're pursuing this impeachment because we're going to find something, that is not how an impeachment works, that's not how it supposed to be based. that is not a partisan statement. that is how congress in the constitution works. so there should be reminded of that. the other thing congressman raskin has said a number of times that i think is important, is a lot of the basis, if you listen to james comer another, is they're basing this, there is this pursuit of bank records. they have received thousands of bank records. they've even bragged about how they've received everything they've ever asked for. there are not mysterious bank

records anyone seems to be aware of that they have not received. obviously, they still pursue. it is important to talk about the details sometimes. >> 100%. the facts. they're in that trump meet the press interview, we heard a lot from the former president on his legal troubles. you mentioned jamie raskin with whom you spoke. you also spoke with andrew weizmann. all of whom are distinguished legal minds in their own rights. while trump is in the middle of all of this legal traffic, is there any obvious vulnerability for him, cited by all these folks, all these cases. is there one thing that stands out as more important? could it's weighed broad public opinion? >> well, it's hard to know, alex, on the swain broad public opinion. i can tell you, from talking to a lot of lawyers, including neil and andrew, that one of the things that was so striking about that interview that christian dead, is he admitted basically that he was not listening to the advice of his counsel. that has been one of their arguments, one of the legal arguments, that he is just giving bad advice from lawyers.

he basically said in that interview, i'm paraphrasing, obviously, i don't care what they say, i made my own decisions. that's completely contradicting. it's almost like he doesn't recognize that what he says publicly, people can hear it. it can be used in a court of law. so, we'll see. that is what's some of the lawyers who i talked to have said. >> isn't that just extraordinary. that he doesn't put all that together, he doesn't hear himself say that. despite all of the legal troubles, there is a new cbs poll that shows donald trump and joe biden in a statistical tie. how do you interpret those numbers, and how should the white house? >> i mean, the white house and colleagues of my gonna stay in touch, what they're are not surprised at the races very close. they expected to be very close to the ends. that is why they are so focused on kind of engaging the groups of people across the country that need to know what the stakes are. they are not surprised by its. it may surprise democrats in the country who think, wait a

second, this guy has been indicted many times, 91 counts, how can this be the case? well, we live in a divided country. everyone should anticipate that this is going to be a close election till the variants. >> jan, walk in the white house to? you know that they cite all the policy -- you've done your share of this. it appears that is not getting to the public. is that the messaging problem? is it a policies as you? what do you think the problem is? >> i think part of it is that the election and the choice is not crystal for people quite yet. remember, we are still quite far away from the november election. it may not feel that way to us, who do this every day, but for most people, the choice and the stakes is not crystal yet. we're in the face yvette, someone i know said that it's kind of the wishing stage, where people are looking for some kind of magical unicorn candidate option here. president biden is running for reelection. he is going to be the nominee unless something crazy happens. he's got a lot to run on.

he's going to draw the contrast. the contrast is what a lot of people are going to vote on. they haven't, that's not crystal for people quite yet. i think that it will be closer to next year, closer to the election. >> i'm wondering if this could help, because new york times columnist, marie dowd, writes about perceptions of biden's age. she says that his staff has exasperated the problem by trying too hard to keep him in check. americans know who uncle joe's. corks and all. slower and all. let them decide. her point, is let him answer questions freely. let him meet reporters freely. it energizes him. i'm not asking you to offend any of your friends at the white house but do you agree? >> well i sometimes think that this is a funny, this particular question is a funny debate. only because at least when i was there, he took questions from reporters multiple times a week. what he didn't do as often as the white house press corps wanted and requested, and certainly it is their priority to ask for, or formal press

conferences. i don't know that the american people make decisions based on how many formal press conference as presidents have, i don't think they do, what i think people will see, and i expect they will, cvs him more out on the campaign trail, making kind of the bold contrasts that they've seen. that is what people have a hunger and an appetite for. hopefully that will help. you know, alex, you've seen these polls. to somehow, donald trump is three years younger than joe biden, and somehow a huge, a larger percentage of people think that joe biden's age is a problem than donald trump's age is a problem. the white house knows this is a problem, but that is curious as well. >> very curious, i agree. let's move on to vice president harris. let's take a listen to what jamie raskin told cnn earlier this week. we'll play that. >> do you think that kamala harris is the best running mate for president biden? yes or no? >> i don't know what else i can say other than she -- >> you could say yes.

>> she is an excellent running, make an excellent vice presidents. i don't know whether president biden is named his running mate. we are going to a convention next summer, it is a year away from now. we are going to go through that process. >> so that felt rather inexplicable at the time. you gave him a second crack in an answer, what is he saying? >> he pretty much made clear that his intention was not to pour any water on the vice president as being a part of the ticket, and that he was a strong supporter of the biden harris agenda. you know, this is something that i think people are reading into a lot right now, but i would be completely shocked, pulled over, if anything changed on the checkup. the vice president is someone who the president wants to run, with is going to run with, so it's sort of a silly question that isn't really a question. >> except for the former speaker nancy pelosi giving a full-throated endorsement of biden's ticket today. he she also bulked a little bit

on the harris part. she made it seem like they were reading from the same playbook. when you think that was about? >> you know i know she answered this again today, i can't speak on her behalf or on congressman raskin's behalf. they can speak on their own behalf. i think what's pretty clear is that they are not trying to question or mix this ticket up. what they're trying to get around is selling, as you just asked me about, what they see as the biden harris accomplishments, and also trying to draw that contrast with trump. there are important questions of which there are sometimes disagreements among democrats, how they could be, sold to the talk about impeachment or not, should they talk about the legal cases are not? this, at least four people i talked to an, heard doesn't seem to be a big point to dispute among democratic leaders. >> one more question, today you spoke with former mitt romney aide, kevin madden, about these with the rain assessments of fellow republicans, especially their fear of donald trump. you mentioned on your show,

i've got it here, it's on the atlantic, what a read. it's an excerpt from the forthcoming biography. what does he say that most alarms, eugene? and what have you learned about the current gop from this? >> i think that one of the things he says in the piece, there is a book coming out in october, i believe it is, that he is kind of a withering critique, but romney, does the people like josh hawley. then he says that there are more josh hawley's coming, right? there was always this debate, will there be more mitt romney? maybe we're just in the stage where it's trump, and there is more mitt romney's coming. what i heard from that is that he's basically saying, no, there's more josh hawley's campaign. that is concerning. i mean, i said to kevin, and i worked on an opposing campaign, right? plenty of policy disagreements between mitt romney and barack obama, who i worked with. we're in a different stage now, and that's pretty alarming for the future of democracy. >> he was pretty extraordinary when he described josh hawley as perhaps being the most intelligent member of the

senate. ted cruz right behind him. he just doesn't seem to be able to reconcile how they can think, and behave, the way they do. it had a lot to do with character, i think, the character at a lot to do with. that >> exactly. >> of what you have a ton, jen psaki. thank you so much for sticking around. an extra 15 minutes a new day, appreciate that. >> have a great show. >> you do. >> for all of, you can watch inside with jim psaki sundays at noon eastern, right before alex witt reports. now, on mondays at eight pm eastern. that starts september 25th. jack smith's new request for a narrow gag over, who would enforce, and how they identify? if the former president had indeed crossed the line. we have answers and 60 seconds. seconds all learning to save and spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts with her new debit card. hungry? -uhuh. the designer's eyeing sequins. uh no plaid. while mom is eyeing his spending. nice. and the engineer? she's taking control with her own account for college.

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concerns regarding d.c. citizens, the court, prosecutors, and prospective witnesses. the gag order would include statements about the identity, testimony, or credibility of prospective witnesses, and statements that are intimidating, discouraging, or inflammatory to anyone involved in the case, including court personnel. trump responded with more name-calling, saying they lead, they, lions they won't allow me to speak. charles, coleman former brooklyn prosecutor, and nbc news legal analyst. welcome, my friend. charles, the doj is citing trump social media posts in the application. obviously trump's lawyers are expected to make a free speech objection on this. at least one woman in texas was previously charged following threats to judge chutkan. is it unusual for a gag order to be used to prevent threats and intimidation? >> well before we talk about

what's unusual and unusual, it's important to understand that we are in uncharted territory, in many respects. we are talking about the former president of the united states of america, who has a nearly incomparable platform in terms of social media and the amount of influence that he wheels over his powers. now when you talk about what is actually already happens, that only intensifies their need for jack smith ask as part of this petition before the court. we have already seen that when donald trump essentially sends out instructions to his disciples, followers, that there are people from all walks of the country, all parts of the country that are going to follow through. that is follow-through can include violence, it can include threats to peoples safety, and ultimately, jack smith is charging the, court they have a responsibility to conduct a fair and impartial trial, to protect the environment around that trial, to ensure that it's fair and impartial. that is what they're asking to be done by issuing this order.

>> look, i get there were an uncharted waters, but who would enforce such an order? how would they identify, oh, he crossed the line here? >> well that would be on prosecutors, in large part, to basically call the judges attention to violations of whatever order it is that all so mainly is entered. i don't expect the judge is going to respond by giving the prosecutors everything that they asked for, but i do expect that if she is inclined to granted in, parties going to issue a very narrowly tailored order that gives an explicit instruction as donald trump, and what he can and cannot do more say in the public and media, and on social media. i also expect that donald trump is going to push the limits of whatever it is that he decides. she is going to be in front of both parties, having to determine whether he has violated it whatever orders he puts in. don't think that he's going to make an, order and he's going to abide by but without any pushback. it's going to, happen he has to

make a decision. >> what would they do if he does violate the order, charles? even if he can be put in jail, it doesn't mean that he would go to jail, right? i, mean this is all this uncharted, waters sets the former president of the united states. >> sure, alex, i'm expecting that he would issue a number of very strongly worded warnings about his violation before making the ultimate step putting him in jail. >> charles, charles, the judge has already warned trump against making of laboratory statements about the case, or anybody, any of the people involved. i mean even saying, hey, she could speed up the trial, so how likely is she to grant the gag order, given how careful she has been so far in handling this case? >> i think she's going to granted to some extent. i don't necessarily know that they're going to get as many of the provisions that they've asked for in their petition for the court, but i also think that what you have to understand, alex, is that there is not a judge on this planet, and no law enforcement agency,

there wants to be responsible for putting donald trump in jail. when you're talking about putting him in jail for a violation of an order, you're opening the door to an issue down the line. you don't want to create that issue. it's not something that judge drunken wants to do, because by putting him in jail for something that is debatable on anyone's end, it is opening the door for them to argue that she should be recused from the case, because she could not be fair and impartial as a judge. this is a minefield to different decisions that she has to reckon with, as she makes determinations about how to proceed. it's not flip, and where she can just decide, hey, i said don't cross this, when you cross this line. there are significant consequences, big picture-wise, to how this can play out. this is why donald trump is okay pushing the limits. if he has to go to jail, for example, for violating the order, just what happens, all of his attorney start filing orders and motions to appeal that decision, and to get the

judge off the case. what does this do? in the long, rhonda satisfies his bloodlust for delay, delay, delay. all these things have to be considered carefully imbalance in the scales. >> what a tight rope. let me ask you this question. taking a listen to a comment on an ongoing case, there's been the mar-a-lago classified documents case, let's watch this together. >> i am allowed to take these documents, classified are not classified, and frankly, when i have them, they become on classified. people think it to go through a ritual. you don't. >> want to have a subpoena, you have to turn them over. >> i know this. i don't even know that. i have the right to help those documents, so i don't really know that. >> so each judge in the election fraud case, the documents case, they've all warned him about discussing his, cases right? should he see that as them doing him a favor? because every time he talks, he says things that could come back to haunt him. >> well i don't know if the

judges are doing him a favor, but they're certainly trying to do his attorneys a favor. listen, alex, donald trump is perhaps one of the most difficult lies that i can imagine trying to contain, as an attorney, because, like you said, he's in the public eye. every time he opens his, mouth he opens the door to more confessions, more material that can be used against him. we think it's very interesting that he talks about that colleague, or meet the, prasad noted that he wanted to testify, that he would testify. i don't believe that it's going to happen, and before you say that it's not going to happen, however, what i will say is that the one thing about him not testifying is that all of these confessions that he's making in media, ad on social, media they won't commit because people will be at a cross-examined him about a, that's a plus, for him. >> okay, my friend, charles coleman, many thanks. in the meantime, for all of you, it's day three in the uaw strike. could there be new signs of progress? next. ress next ...because t-mobile helps pano ai innovate,

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the exclusive nbc news interview with former president, donald trump, that aired earlier today. and the wide-ranging discussion that's trump sparred with -- over a host of issues, including immigration, and his promotion of falsehoods about the 2020 election, among others. joining me now to fact-checked the remarks during the interview. welcome. what is your review of the

ferocity of trump statements during the interview? >> alex, i've been fact-checking the president for the better part of a decade. this interview, it was right with falsehoods. i think we have a clip where we can start, can we play the clip, talk about it in a second? >> they look at what's happening with millions of people coming in, millions of illegal immigrants coming into our country, flooding our cities, flooding the countryside. i think the numbers going to be 15 million people by the time you and this, by the end of this year. i saw a poll that i saw some statistics, it said that in 2019, there were no terrorists. they caught no terrorists. it was nothing that they saw, there was no anything. now, this year, it's a record number. they've never seen this before. >> alex, a lot of whoppers and this. these are the clips we have right now. let's start with a grain of

truth. border crossings are up, borders have encountered a lot of people in the last two years. this is largely fueled by families coming in from south america, and people fleeing, seeking asylum. his numbers, 15 million, is really out of proportion. about 2.5 million people in this fiscal year and countered border authorities. those people who were not allowed into the country war sent back to the country they entered from. his number is 50 million. as we said, this is more than the 11.4 million people the federal government estimates are in the u.s. without authorization in total. just to put that in perspective, now, also talking about the immigrants coming across the border as if they're all terrorists. he sort of said the people are coming from insane asylums, in different ways. now, that is also false. he missed portrayed how administration actually worked. he talked about terrorism, and the number of people in the u.s. terror list who were encountered by southern border,

by border authorities in 2019, is actually higher than the number this year. of course, as numbers are up just in terms of the traffic of people who are coming across the border. as usual, the president is painting his own administration as something different than what it was. >> you have an unenviable job, my friend. trying to track that, no was trying to make sense, and call outs truth where you can. anyway, thank you, good to see you. well joining me now, democratic congresswoman, natalie dean in pennsylvania. congresswoman, welcome to you. i wanted to remind viewers that you are house impeachment manager. let's say that the judge in the d.c. case does issue a gag order on donald trump. this is something special counsel wants. well the threat of legal trouble, will it have the former presidents mind in his p's and q's? >> well, good afternoon, good to be with, you alex. i think, i read the pleating, it's easy to read, 19-page pleading. special counsel jack smith has

filed us with the court. it is the appropriate motion to ask for a limited gag order on what he calls disinformation by the former presidents in order to marshal anger and mistrust against the judicial system. it is a proper motion. trump, by his very words, every single day, whether he's calling the special prosecutors to, ranged or calling the judge corrupt, racists, calling washington d.c. crime infested, he needs to watch his words. will he do it? i hope that a limited order is entered to limit his misinformation, disinformation. the principle of. the judge i have faith, will use her power to keep him in check. it will not be easy. he is like a very bad child. he continues to misbehave. >> on the classified documents case, trump tells meet the

press that he would testify under oath that he never asked a staffer to delete security video at mar-a-lago. let's take a listen to that exchange. >> okay, i want to ask you about the case related to mar-a-lago. a new charge suggests that you asked a staffer to delete security camera footage so it wouldn't gets of the hands of investigators. >> that's false. let me tell you -- >> what you testified to that? >> i'll testified that. >> under oath? >> it's a fake charge. >> so the same invitation to sit down with christian walker, by the way, has been extended to president biden. donald trump says later in the interview that the footage was his, it was never deleted. even though prosecutors never even accused him of doing that. so do you expect trump to actually testify? and if so, how could that change the trajectory of his case? >> oh no, he'll never testify. remember, he was going to sit down with robert mueller. he was going to testify in the

sexual assault case. he was going to testify over and over again. of course, he will never testify. and facts, i can't imagine how upsets his attorneys must be on the interview that he just took. you notice there that while he said no that's false, he pivoted quickly to say, but they were never raced. that's because, if you read the allegations in the superseding indictments, he was unsuccessful and getting his employees to do that. he was under subpoena, they did not have the right to a race that footage. so it pivots very quickly to say, oh, nothing to see here, because they got it. >> yeah, yeah. good distinction there. there is also some new reporting this week, and it says that trump has been privately pushing republicans to impeach president biden. he tells meet the press that he didn't talk to mccarthy about, it he didn't have to talk to his allies on capitol hill because, quote, they're more proactive than i am. how likely is it that trump is

driving these impeachment efforts? whether directly, by speaking to them, or indirectly by republicans interpreting all that he says, thinking, yeah, he wants me to do this? could this backfire on republicans? >> i think it will backfire on republicans. i can't tell you what's direct conversations the former president's haven't, but i can observe close-up, in congress, that his minions are pushing this. now they have marjorie taylor greene and others, who have law so the speaker of the house into opening, on his own, although it's because he's lassoed, an impeachment inquiry. i want to contrast that with impeachment inquiries that i witnessed, and was a part of. very, very sadly, with this country. you saw speaker pelosi so cautiously wait before just independently and terrain and impeachment inquiry phase. she is so carefully waited to see if there was any evidence.

this is the exact opposite. speaker mccarthy is launching this back free, evidence free. no high crimes and misdemeanors. i guess it helps to find some, even though they've been looking for years. so there is an extraordinary contrast, and weakness and mr. mccarthy. this will backfire on the gop. especially those moderate gop's who won in biden won districts. i'm sure that they are frantic over this fact free inquiry. >> given that we're looking at the september 30th deadline, do you think republicans are going to shut down the governments? if they do so, how challenging would it be for them to come out of this with any sort of justification for having done so? >> again, i think this will backfire very badly on the republicans. where, here they're in the majority, they have failed to pass any appropriations measures. it puts this country in grave

economic risk. i came into office in 2019, or the 2018, 2019 government shutdown, under the previous administration, cost our economy three billion dollars. hundreds of federal workers will be furloughed. many will be staying on as essential workers without pay. this is no way to run a government. it is malpractice on the part of the republican majority, and certainly a total failure on mr. mccarthy to have any control over his conference. the pain that it will cause american people, that is what will backfire so badly on this republican majority. they will pay for that, because it is cruelty, what they're trying to do. it is just an absolute inability to do their job. >> all right, less than two weeks, we'll see what happens there. congresswoman, madeleine dean, good to see, my friend. >> thank you. >> they say delmas the texas. after yesterday's acquittal of

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schedule a free consultation. today, ken paxton is back on the job. a day after the republican-controlled state senate voted to acquit him of 16 articles of impeachment that accused him of bribery, corruption, and dereliction of duty. nbc's priscilla thompson was inside the chamber. she is joining us now from austin. priscilla, welcome, give us a rundown of how this vote went down, and howard paxson and his allies respond to this acquittal. >> yeah, alex, the gop -controlled senate handed down that vote after hours of deliberation, and it largely falls upon party lines, with the exception of two republicans who joined with the number of the 16 articles of impeachment. paxton is saying that this acquittal means the truth

prevails, he was congratulated by former president trump, a staunch ally of his, but the house impeachment manager who brought this case are saying that the senate got it wrong. take a listen. >> this is not who texas says, and the republicans and that chamber put a corrupt individual back again as the top cop. as the head of the attorney generals office. i think republicans have basically said that the best criminal enterprise that you can engage in as becoming a republican elected official. it is a disgrace on what they've done. it defies the evidence that was presented, and it's slaps in the face there were public at employees who have the courage to come forward. >> paxton is already ramping up attacks against those republicans who voted against him. his legal troubles aren't over

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this is our takeover, proud of it. >> we're behind the administration, they are providing spectacular victories. we've been making progress under biden harris. we're all for the tickets. >> new today, speaker nancy pelosi and congressman jamie raskin clarifying previous comments where they appeared to have been hesitant. vice president harris as the

2024 running mate. according to the hill, the biden campaign and its allies are rallying around the vice president, rejecting chatter that the president would use anyone to follow the ticket. joining us now, democratic strategist and voter protection funds, and's msnbc global political analysts. we're just missing david today, he'll be back soon. don, you've been on the show many times, your huge advocate for the vice president. what is your response to comments from leadership who are dancing around whether or not to the right person to run with president biden? >> the intro clip is hardening if you are a fan, and shows over the last few weeks, if not months, in fairness to those who are under the hill, as i am not, they may have heard things, or been aware of things, aware poll numbers and whatnot, and a way that the general public is not, and perhaps as what they were reacting to. that was the decision to publicly comment with the

uncertainty, and we're starting to see some top leaders, hakeem jeffries who is aligned to be the next speaker of the democrats, we're starting to see people come back on to say the right things about kamala been -- that is not attached on the political realities that end up in the next 12 to 14 months we are going to need the constituency that kamala harris represents a wall. black women, to stand up and deliver yet another election to save our democracy. we're starting to see things come back, and i think that's good, because kamala harris has done a fantastic job from a substantive perspective. >> what would be the political price, do you, think that president biden would pay, the vice president, or he on the ticket, don? >> it would be high. i don't know specifically what it would look like. it would be very high. imagine the layers of disinformation and just a national game of telephone. fueled by facebook, twitter, adjust kitchen table conversations about why she was not on that ticket. it would not be substantive

regions, it would be salacious, it would be destructive to the party. it would be a very, very high price. nobody would know exactly why. no one gives up a second most physical position in the country voluntarily. it would obviously be bass and some kind of acrimony between the presidents, and i don't even feel good speculating about why it would be, what the price would be high, it would probably be disastrous for the democratic party electoral hopes. >> susan, could republicans use this perceived hesitation about the vice president from within the democratic party to their advantage going to the 2024? >> well, the republicans have some problems. what's interesting about what we've seen from speaker pelosi, and grandson, is that this was a turnaround within a matter of days. they were out there, and i would like to just echo what jen psaki said on your show earlier, this is the wishing

phase. maybe joe biden is and even the nominee, that somebody else is the nominee. something else could happen. the reason they feel that way is because biden's numbers are bad. he's age is sticking to him, and vice president harris's numbers are worse than biden's numbers. so people may be hoping, but i think the reality is, and everyone's got to get on board for the democratic sake, is that this is the ticket. >> yeah. it definitely is. >> so the new cbs poll that just come out, it shows that president biden, donald, trump and look at, that their neck and neck in a hypothetical rematch. susan, should we be surprised by these numbers at this point? you said the president biden's numbers are bad. >> well, surprise not really, because we saw with the last election was all about, 2020. people are getting ready to go through it again. it looks like, in 2024, where a divided country. it's a shame, because the

former president, has done so much to take apart our country while the current presidency, even if i agree, i disagree with the policy or two, he's lead such a bipartisan way. he's done but he said he was going to do, but that message just can't get through. >> the, i was asking jen psaki about that too. and your prior position, with the administration. don, look, it's still early. should the white house be concerned that the president trump is tied in the polls right now? >> no, no, absolutely. not the great jen massena, who's one of our great campaign operators of his generation released a memo last week. he pointed out three very important things. number one, democrats historically are bug butters. and to panic about these things, whether there's good reason. at this time, a year out. joe biden has an excellent legislative record for american kitchen table issues. he'll be able to explain those issues with the vice president's health, as we approach the next year. third, from a very objective standpoint, you would rather be

joe biden right now than donald trump. donald trump maintains an extremely high unfavorable's amongst the groups that have historically chosen the president. this is independents, suburban women, and you know, after four indictments and all the other craziness going on in trump world, yes, he will command the republican primary electorate, he will win that primary with fire flying colors. he cannot maintain a stronghold after a disastrous presidency and his criminal life afterwards. he cannot maintain a stronghold over the americans who decide, in the margins, in the middle, who decide the presidential elections. so half the country is still watching dancing with the stars. we've got a whole other year. there's nothing to panic about, democrats. >> we'll, quick, suzanne jen psaki meet the point, the biden administration, the campaign, it has not gotten to the contrast phase. that's what joe biden's going to do. now get out there, make his speeches, and do a contrast between he and republican candidates, notably, donald trump. is that going to do it for?

what does he have to do to sell that properly? >> while he is going to run a little bit of a road scarred and strategy. because the republicans are still having a primary. there is no reason that we're going to engage with the republicans, so it would be, you know, come prevention, time i think you see biden and harris really going after the former presidents, whoever they nominate. >> thank you, guys that's the top of the. our my really good friend, yasmin fussy v and is glaring amani second. i'm going to say bye. she's clearing, love you anyway. by, i'm out. >> hi everyone, good to see you. i'm fussy. and the house chaos is back in action, with republicans facing a shutdown threat, as well as a impeachment inquiry into joe biden. the latest from capitol hill, plus this -- >> when you