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the way out. ♪ ♪ ♪ so there is some very important context to consider, when it comes to kevin mccarthy's pursuit of an impeachment inquiry into president biden. and that is, the 91 criminal counts, and for criminal trials facing the likely republican nominee for 2024. trials about paying hush money to a porn star, courting nuclear secrets, and trying to overturn an election. trials that will involve lots of hard evidence, lots of witnesses, and at least one case, a youtube live stream of the proceedings. that, will be the dominant storyline of this campaign, in part because donald trump refuses to talk about almost anything else. he has relentlessly attacked prosecutors in the justice system, in certain interviews on truth social, and on the campaign trail. and all along, jack smith has been listening, clearly. the special counsel is now

seeking a gag order against trump, in his election interference case. so, if the judge issues that order, trump is going to have to resort to some of his other go-to strategies, like getting his cronies to do his dirty work for him, he has tried that in the past. house republicans did get a bit of a head start this week, by launching their baseless impeachment inquiry into president biden. and in an interview that just aired on meet the press, trump said he had nothing to do with it. >> did you talk to speaker mccarthy about this house impeachment? >> no, no i didn't talk to. >> did you tell him that he should open? it >> no, i don't think he would do that. i mean, he wouldn't do it, based on what we know. >> did you talk to your republican allies on capitol, and say you should support this? >> no, i don't have to talk. there are more productive than i am, they think it's terrible i. we'll say this, they think i was treated very unfairly. >> whatever trump says, we all know this is largely happening because of him. and don't just take my word for it, ultraconservative congressman ken buck said,

quote directly or indirectly, this impeachment inquiry was the result of president trump's pressure. of course it was. just look at what we already know. the former president has been speaking weekly with house gop conference chair woman at least stefanik, who just so happen to be the first member of republican membership to come out and support impeachment. coincidence? i think not. the new york times also reported that trump's been talking regularly by phone with members of the house freedom caucus, and other congressional republicans, who pushed for impeachment. and, just days before kevin mccarthy's announcement, trump had a dinner with the speaker. i mean, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, otherwise known as. the menu included halibut, diet coke, and reportedly, top of impeaching a political rival. on the record, marjorie taylor greene even told the new york times that she relayed to trump that she wanted the impeachment curry to be, quote, long and excruciating painful for joe biden. and i'm not even sure that's saying the quiet part out loud,

because this is all been so incredibly loud. we know what's going on here. the truth is that this is an inquiry, in search of a pretext, in search of a purpose. and, it's not as if the orchestrator's are even hiding that. >> this is about transparency, and answers for the american people. and ultimately, accountability for what i wound will uncover the biggest political corruption scandal in our nation's history. >> will uncover, that is the key phase here. there is not a single solitary shred of evidence at this point, to support anything resembling a high crime or misdemeanor on the part of joe biden. and, it's not like we haven't been looking. they have been hunting, for the past nine months, housefather get seven investigating biden and his family, they have issued subpoenas, they've obtained thousands of bank records, promised explosive revelations. and, they have yet to find any actual wrongdoing. so, if there is any actual evidence, and it isn't about facts, what is it all about?

well, james comer gave us a hint way back in may. >> you look at the polling, and right now, donald trump is seven points ahead of joe biden, and finding upward. joe biden is tending trending downward. and i believe that the medias look around, scratching their head, and they are realizing that the american people are keeping up with our investigation. >> polling, just the blatant admission right there, that what they are doing is about pollers. and just a few days ago, donald trump himself said, quote, they did it to me, i think had they not done it to me, perhaps you wouldn't have it being done to them. there you have it, this has been the game all along. the score was kind of determine before the kickoff. this is not about high crimes and misdemeanors, this is not about congressional oversight, this is about politics, and it's about payback. and in the words of marjorie taylor greene, it's about inflicting pain on president biden. this is about republican revenge for trump's own impeachments, this about donald trump himself, trying to knock his political opponent down a

peg. once upon a time, i'm sure you will remember this, he did try to pressure the ukrainian president into dignified on biden. this time, he has just found some more willing participants. joining me now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. he is the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee. congressman, it's great to see you this afternoon. >> great to be with you, jen. >> before we get to impeachment, there is lots to discuss there. i do want to ask you about the gag order that jack smith is seeking on trump. trump's response was to say jack smith was, quote, wanting to take away the rights under the first amendment. you are an expert on such things explain to us what is wrong with that argument. >> what jack smith is asking for is, of course, standard and courtrooms across the country where there are various limitations put on what different parties to a case can say in order not to prejudice the jury pool or otherwise

compromise the proceedings. it's not a first amendment question. >> now, moving on to impeachment, which, obviously, it was big news on the hill this past week. trump denies involvement in this impeachment effort. we heard him say that and meet the press interview. do you think this would really be happening if trump didn't want to happen given the reliance of so many leaders on him in the party? >> no more than i think the january six insurrection would've in absence of donald trump's insistence and direction. he obviously is at the center of the whole thing. his wounded pride will not allow him to run for president as a twice impeached four times indicted former president. looking at 91 criminal charges. if he couldn't say the other guy has been impeached -- dam the evidence, who cares about whether there is high

crime or misdemeanor. from trump's perspective to deliver. >> you are the ranking democrat on the oversight committee. a very busy job. you talked about what they have requested and what they have not in the past. republicans on the committee are leaning into what they think they will uncover from bank records. they've obtained thousands of them, correct me if i'm, wrong is there anything they haven't had access to that they've requested? >> no, in fact chairman comer has repeatedly boasted that he's gotten 100% of everything that he was looking for in terms of subpoenaed documents and witnesses in order to prove to his party that he has been doing his job. he said he's got everything he's looking for. we looked at 12,000 pages, 2000 reports and activity. tons of witnesses who come in, including the presidents

bookkeeper. hunter biden's business partner devin archer. there is no shortage, there is overwhelming evidence, it's evidence of absence of culpability on the part of joe biden for any crime you can imagine. they haven't laid a glove on him. if they go forward with this ridiculous impeachment, we will make them demonstrate whether it be factual building blocks of it, i think a lot of them including marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz would love to watch this thing to the floor so they could make a bunch of phony speeches. there's no evidence there. we will say, all right, if this is really about high crimes and misdemeanors, show us the evidence. what's the factual evidence we. what are you talking about. if they had a single factual episode that demonstrated he high crimes and misdemeanors they are alleging, everybody would know about it. there's nothing there. they are completely empty

handed what will put them to the test. >> facts to back up an impeachment feels reasonable. president trump also told nbc's kristen walker it is very unlikely he will pardon himself. he could have when he was president. let's take a listen to that. >> mister president, if you are reelected, would you pardon yourself? >> it could have. do you know what? i was given an option to pardon myself. i couldn't pardon myself when i left. they said, would you like to pardon yourself. i had a couple of attorneys that said, you can do it if you want. i, said i would never give myself a pardon. >> even if you are elected in this moment. >> it's unlikely, i don't do anything wrong. >> there is been so much reporting, congressman about why he's running. and they've said why they think he's running. what do you make of this claim that he says it's unlikely he would pardon himself. >> >> well i'm sure john

eastman and rudy giuliani have been advising him that he could render a self pardon. he can surround himself with whatever kind of legal sycophants he wants. to tell him that. it cuts against the cardinal principle of the judicial system as jay madison laid it out and the federalist papers he said that the premise of our law is that no man or person can be a judge in his own cause. it is own case. of course, that's a recipe for authoritarianism and fascism at that point he could not only try to overthrow an election when the constitution as he's advice several times, he can brag about it and then pardon himself for his crimes. i think that i would hope the entire judiciary and the american people would rebel against such an obnoxious concept. >> also on the subject of pardons i want you to listen to

what trump told nbc about pardoning members of the proud boys. >> proud boys leader enrique retiree was sentenced to 22 years in jail now that you know what the sentence is, 22 years in jail when you give him a pardon? >> i don't know him a, never met him, i never heard of him until i started -- >> will you pardon him? >> he and other people have been treated horribly. >> in minneapolis. i would look at that and i look at all the other people who have suffered. the j six people. enrique tarrio what you know well is a leader of the insurrection. part of the problem to state it mildly. trump certainly try to dodge there. he did not say no. what did you make of the answer. how concerning is it to you? >> it's predictable, it's out early outrageous and scandalous. you have the former president of the united states who's

running for president saying that he would consider, thereby telegraphing his real intent to all of his followers pardoning people who have been convicted of seditious conspiracy, which means conspiracy to overthrow the government of the united states. of course, trump sent all of those events into motion with his determination to overthrow the 2020 presidential election. to void out of joe biden's victory by more than 7 million votes and 306 to 2:32 in the electoral college. and now he's further giving aid and comfort to the insurrectionists by promising them, at least heavily intimating that he will give them a pardon. for what they did we are up against the same kind of authoritarianism that we witnessed on january 6th. america needs to understand, we are in the middle of the struggle. we're not over it in the sense, there's a way in which the

republicans opposition to trump's impeachment or conviction, except for a noble ten members in the house and seven in the senate, their opposition was a tragedy. there is a temptation to look at all of this as a farce it's a farce that could bring the republican to its knees. and i would much rather see the disillusion of the republican party than the u.s. constitution in american republic. >> before i let you go, congressman. i want to ask you, you recently asked about kamala harris being on the ticket as the vice president. you have been such a supporter of the biden harris agenda. the vice presidency. are you confident in the ticket. how do you feel about the vice president remaining on the ticket? >> great, i feel excellent about that. there should be no confusion about it. i think some of those trying to get me to pick a fight with my friend nancy pelosi. i am not going to do that. we are all behind the biden harris administration.

it's delivered spectacular and remarkable victories in a 1.2 trillion dollar infrastructure of america and inflation reduction acts. in the dramatic reductions of health care costs for the american people and the medicare program in the climate and advocacy and defense against the nightmare of climate change we have been making tremendous progress under biden and harris. we are all for the ticket. i know that there seems to be an effort to say if, there is chaos on the republican side, there is got to be chaos on the democratic side. there is not. i think that biden and harris have done a remarkable job against all political odds as they face a ruling faction within the republican party which arrived at work this last

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about jack smith's request for a gag order against donald trump in the election interference case. what are the dogs the judge agrees to it? how will it be enforced? if trump defies, it how -- is deal on the table? i can't think of two better people to discuss all the implications and my next guest. you know them all. andrew weissmann is the former general counsel for the fbi. neil castillo is the former acting solicitor general, they join me now. we have so much to get. do i just want to start with this gag order request. i think all of us laypeople are wondering, what is the judge going to do and what are the consequences? what factors is she looking at? >> the prosecutor jack smith is saying to the court, look, this defendant, donald trump, is running his mouth in really dangerous ways. prejudicing witnesses and the like. so, jack smith is filing this piece of paper saying, hey, stop him from doing this. and it goes back to 1976 on the supreme course called the the brasco press association versus stewart. basically, the question is, is

jack smith limited request here -limited enough to gag donald trump. and i suspect the answer is, yes, he will prevail in this. in some limited way. and that's because jack smith wrote a very narrow document. one that just said, look, if he's going to be attacking witnesses or attacking court personnel then that goes too far. i think the next step is for the judge to have a hearing where donald trump sits in the courtroom and looks at her in the eye and explains himself. and then from there are some sort of tailored remedy. including moving the trial date up. >> andrew, he has until next friday if i'm remembering correctly to respond. his team does. what are the consequences. donald trump does not change his behavior easily. is jaylen option here? if he violates it. >> jails an option, it wouldn't be the first thing or the second thing that the judge would do as neil alluded to,

judge chutkan has already said that if you continue to engage in this kind of behavior, not just the jury but inflaming the public in ways that could be leading to violence, she could move the trial up. she also could finally defendant. she could also impose restrictions that are overseen by his own council before he engages, for, instance in truth social post. there's a variety of options i should make sure people know this is a standard thing in high-profile matters entering these orders. we have routinely in these cases. it's because you want to make sure the jury is deciding the facts based on what happens in court. you notice the asymmetry in terms of what's going on you don't hear people from the government but you do hear ad nauseam from the defendant.

this is so fascinating to watch. i want to ask you about an exchange that kristen walker, the new moderate of meet the press had with trump that stuck out to me. let's play that. we will talk about it on the other side. >> >> you called some of your outside lawyers. he said they had crazy theories. why are you listening to them? were you listening to them because they were telling you what you wanted to hear? >> do you know who i listen to? i saw what happened. i watch that election. i thought the election was over a 10:00 in the evening. >> so, this is interesting. they've been using this advice of counsel arguments. what did you think about that exchange? >> so, jen, anyone who's any craddock of christian walker and meet the press was, like oh she's not making news she just made huge news this morning donald trump's defense to january 6th has been one basic thing. i relied on the advice of my lawyers. i did not have bad criminal

intent it's my lawyers who were telling me to do this. she got him through masterful interviewing and playing to his ego to go, no i did it all myself. if you're jack smith this morning, we are going, thank you. that's what i always thought. yes, you hired these kind of crazy lawyers. at the end of the day, this was you through and through. this demonstrates his culpability right there and then and i think it makes this case that judge chutkan has going to trial on march 4th a lot easier. >> andrew, if you're jack smith's team, what are you doing, is that footage going to play in the courtroom? >> it couldn't be. just to add to neil's excellent points, the other thing that kristen walker got the president to say was essentially part of this scheme and a part of the obstruction and to 41 civil rights scheme which is the stop of the electoral count. if you will remember, everyone thought there will be a red

mirage that night of the election trump would be ahead. the vote had not been counted. sure, enough trump had said, stop counting. well, that's a crime. he was saying at the time and he just set it on air to nbc stop counting the votes. that's not allowed. that is part of the scheme here there's a twofer here. one, as neil said not relying on council and to saying that he wanted to stop the votes of american citizens. >> so, before i let you go i want to ask you another piece of news this week. it was about hunter biden's federal indictment i know andrew has said he's never seen the gun charges in his 21 years. as a prosecutor. what did you make of them and do you think more is coming. >> i've never seen republicans so excited about enforcing gun control. >> i think andrew has been

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candidates have had a bit of a difficult time talking about abortion since roe v. wade was overturned. they are trying to re-brand their pro-life position as of something less than extreme than it actually is. even donald trump seems to understand what a huge problem this is for the party. i think the republicans speak very inarticulately about this subject i watched some of them without the exceptions. et cetera, et cetera other than certain parts of the country you are not going to whether this issue. >> a fair point he is making there and one that trump kind of proved himself during the same exact interview. >> we are going to agree to a number of months however you want to define it. both sides will come together and both sides, this is a big statement, both sides will come together and for the first time

in 52 years, you will have an issue that we can put behind. us >> at the federal? level >> it could be state or federal i. don't care. >> inarticulate, in the. and i don't know if that was what he was just saying. the messaging is bad. the policy is bad. , so what is trump doing? he spews outrageous laws that have repeatedly been debunked in the same interview. >> the radical people are really the people, the democrats that say, after five months or six or seven or eight months and even afterbirth you are allowed to -- >> they don't say that. they are not saying. that democrats are able to kill the baby after birth. nobody wants that. >> you have some states that arrived to kill the child after birth and you can't allow that. >> no one is calling for a child to be killed after birth. >> again, trump is not only

spreading outrageous lies. he's using the most extreme language he can. just purely for shock value. people correcting him at every turn that you just saw there, that fact-checking is not necessarily what the republican base is going to hear. joining me now is congressman privilege i paul washington city. is the chair of the congressional progressive caucus. i wanted to start right there. you have been outspoken about abortion access. what was your reaction when you heard the former president discussing abortion in that way? >> he was flailing around. that's what republicans have been doing. flailing around because they want to push this extreme nationwide abortion man. 80% of the american people do not want that, including 65% of republicans. they are in a tough spot. they're trying to push something very extreme that cared is to the extreme right of their party. not even republicans want that. you can see that with donald

trump. he's trying to do the thing he always does. it's a lie. say things that simply aren't true. he himself acknowledged that they are not going to win on this issue. at the very. beginning believe it or not, jen, i agree with donald trump. republicans will not win on this issue. the progressive caucus, you're back in washington. we all know a shutdown is looming. matt gaetz threatens every day to bring a motion to vacate and remove speaker kevin mccarthy. we have heard f bombs being dropped. what do you say about what's happening right now with your republican colleagues and the inability to make governments function. >> they can't govern. it's that, i don't take it a joy from the situation. at the end of the day, the fact that they are pushing this baseless absurd impeachment of joe biden, the fact that they can't keep a speaker in the chair and they've essentially

made it so that kevin mccarthy is handing the gavel to marjorie taylor greene and the extreme right wing of his party. you've got nothing in return for that. they have not been able to pass 11 out of the 12 appropriations bills. if you look at the senate, they have passed all 12. with the bipartisan majority. what does that mean? it means the american people are going to lose. they want to cut health and human services funding to 2007 levels. that means people aren't going to get paid. they are not going to get their childcare. they're not going to get their food stamps. we're not going to have fda inspections. people care about it to make sure their drugs are good. there's so much of this that's going to land on the american peoples shoulders. if we have a republican shutdown. and that's what it's going to be. they can't use their own majority to pass appropriations funding bills. >> the impact on people's so important. also happening, there's no shortage of things happening in washington right now. it's this bogus impeachment inquiry into president biden.

you wrote an art that, that mccarthy's -- proof of high crimes and misdemeanors. do you think that democrats should be calling this out in the absurdity? should they be ignoring its? what is the right strategy? >> we can't ignore it. i'm on the judiciary committee. you had jamie raskin from the oversight committee. they're going to bring hearings forward. we can't ignore it. and we should go fully into the details. i think the american people understand that this is not about joe biden. this is about republicans putting a shiny new objects out there to distract people from the fact they can't pass funding bills. i think that i sat through an impeachment inquiry of donald trump. those were serious charges. there is 91 felony counts in indictments against the former president. there just isn't anything there with joe biden or republicans saying that to.

so, we can't ignore it. we can't distract from the fact that is a distraction of the real work and the fact that republicans can't govern. >> before i let you go, there is a strike happening in michigan right now. huge impact on workers. it could have an impact on our entire auto it industry. what should people know about the economic impact of that. >> two things, one that ceo epa for these autoworkers has gone up by 40% in the last four years. workgroup a has gone up by 6% in the last four years these three auto companies earn a quarter of a trillion dollars in profit or the last ten years. what happens to these workers is they can't even keep up with inflation. they can't pay their rent. they have a full-time job. they are classified as temperatures. they don't have guaranteed pensions. they can't live. it's wrong, jen.

it's why i am so proud of the united auto workers for striking and for using all the tools in their tool box to say you can't treat us like this. this inequality is not fair. >> thank you for covering the scope of issues with me. it's great to see you today. >> up next, mitt romney pulls back the curtain under the assumption inside his own party as he announces he won't seek reelection next year. i'll share my take on what we learned and what it means next. it means next the maritimes provinces lead to high winds and rain to the region this weekend. one death is blamed on the storm. thousands are still without power. united auto workers president has rejected an offer from one of the detroit's big three automakers. the stellantis company offered to increase pay by 21%. the president had been calling for a 40% pay raise.

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senate is a good read it's an exit from forthcoming biography who said -- -- -- it credible access to ron name, his personal journals his correspondence and notes. much of what mitt romney described seeing in the senate is what we have sensed is happening behind the scenes even those who are behind the scenes. what is so striking about his account is donald trump it is not the sole problem. he describes a party of enablers who are desperate to stay in power republicans publicly playing their parts as trump loyalists and in private they are quick to roll their eyes and ridicule him. as romina calls one senior republican senator admitting he has none of the qualities you would want in a president and all the qualities you wouldn't many republican lawmakers see what we see it's clearly not partisan to believe donald trump is not fit for office. why have so many of them stood by him time and time again. well, senator romney shed some

light on that as well prior to the senate trial of the first impeachment romney says mitch mcconnell urged him to vote to end the trial as soon as the opening arguments were completed. mcconnell's calculation was that keeping power was more important than anything resembling accountability. it's a similar calculation that romney watched republicans make just a year later when they endorsed donald trump's election lies romney says republicans like josh hawley and ted cruz were, quote, making a calculation that took politics above the interest of liberal democracy in the constitution. in the months after january six, he realized it wasn't just them. he said a very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the constitution. for me, it is incredibly refreshing to hear republican lawmakers speak bluntly about what we've all watched with our own eyes about donald trump. it's also extremely frustrating. each time republicans make the

calculation and rationalize what is convenience over what's right the line of what's acceptable moves further away and we've seen where that can lead us the calculation by far too many republicans to enable trump for political expediency has served here radicalized members of their own base to the point the threat of political violence has become very real in america. . he details that after january six during the second impeachment, members of congress were afraid to vote to convict him out of fear for their own families one republican senator was talked out of voting after other members told him to think of his personal safety. think of your children let's pause on that for a moment. elected members of the senate in leadership were afraid to vote because they were afraid their families would be at risk of physical harm. that is shocking and not entirely surprising.

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and prepares to step off the national stage, who better to talk to than someone who worked on both for the campaigns and knows the senator quite well. joining me now is mitt romney former senior adviser kevin madden. so, i can't wait to read this book. i'm not alone. it's going to be a page turner.

a lot of us reading the piece of the atlantic saw sides of sounded at romney we had not seen. maybe we suspected. it you knew him. all it did anything surprise you in the piece that came out in the atlantic. >> mitt romney is a private guy he when you run for public office it's an invasive process. a lot of people saw and heard mitt romney. there's a lot about things about emotions and private thoughts and i think some of the thoughts that he agonizes over that he previously always kept as a close hold and an old school approach to that. and really opened up i think genuine a motion and feelings and things that he agonized over are giving that air to the public and that's what surprised me the most. the thing that i like the most about the excerpt is that it talked about how he had noble intentions when he came to the senate. he used those intentions to do good work on behalf of people of utah.

and bring a statesmanship to a lot of the debates whether it's been about national security or the public response to covid. there is a real agony. i use that term, because i hadn't seen it in the public before the way i had through these excerpts about the canyon that's a marriage between what people are saying publicly about the threat of donald trump and what people say privately. >> reading, it there is an anger that came across. it makes clear that he came with great intentions and he came to work across the parting lines when -- is he angry that he couldn't do more to change things in washington? >> i don't think it's anger i thought there was a bit of an angler of the confessional of it all. he is generally struggling with some of the intentions of the colleagues and wanted to give them the best and see them through the best view and then oftentimes he came to the conviction that they were not

stepping up to their public role the way they should be when it came to confronting some of the challenges they see not only inside the party but the challenges that the country faces if we are going to go into the right direction and i think he wanted to bring some of that to light. >> we worked on opposing campaigns. they ran against each other. you forget how much politics has changed in that way. lots of policy disagreements given romney is a rare republican voice in congress right now who is not afraid to say what he thinks out loud, not just behind closed, doors he talks about passing the torch. who doesn't want to pass the torch to? >> that was one of the other genuine question marks that came out. i think he is very cognizant of the fact that his age and his station in life right now there are some limitations that come with that. this idea that the people, it's an accurate assessment, someone

has to step up in the new generation to take the country in the right direction and give a voice to some of the threats outside the party and voice the challenges that the country faces. when you look at the question that he asked republicans, who is the next generation? who is the next mitt romney? you know, when you look behind, so you see some of the people that are ascended in the party. there is younger voices like the back ramaswamy. that's not a rip mitt romney wing of the party. there are probably more vexed out there right now than there are mitt romney's i think this is a genuine instinct that he has that's right. it's still going to require the voice of a mitt romney and others who are inside the party to really crystallized the message and play a bigger role going forward. you have been a republican operative for a long time you're out in the private sector now. what gives you hope about the future of the party? >> i still remain optimistic that we can make and have

arguments about public policy where i can say jen psaki is wrong, not jen psyche has bad intentions for this country. so, i think increasingly we have to find forums that provide that type of platform for people who disagree. i am hopeful that can continue. i do think that some of the lines that they've identified, they still do very much -- >> thank you for joining me today. it was such an interesting read. it showed us a lot about the -- we are coming right back after a quick break. stay with us. ay with us businesses need 5g solutions today. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. mlb partners with t-mobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. aaa relies on t-mobile's network

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