senate. i predict it will be part of the final deal however that happens this fall in congress, but you're going to hear a lot of republicans complaining about that on the way to the deal. >> certainly we've already heard former president trump do the same. "playbook" co-author, come back soon. thank you for joining us this morning. thanks for all of you getting up way too early on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts now. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, september 18th. a live look at the capitol as a government shutdown is looming over capitol hill this morning. as house republicans have a new short-term solution. we'll explain the major issues with their stop-gap measure. meanwhile, it's not if but when house republicans will subpoena hunter biden. that's according to house

speaker kevin mccarthy. his new comments on the impeachment inquiry are just ahead. plus, donald trump is taking responsibility for something -- >> actually everything. he admitted it is everything? could be legally problematic, but that's what he does. we'll show you what he said. >> what he remembers what he said. he remembers what year he said. >> oh, boy. >> did you see that speech? >> i did see that. the. >> he thinks he's running against barack obama. >> and that world war ii is looming. >> he said joe biden could lead us into world war ii. that's going to be a heck of a bumper sticker for the 2024 campaign. >> that is something else. >> he has obama on his mind. >> three times. three times. he can't even remember joe biden's name and he's saying joe biden is too old to run for president. he can't even remember joe biden's name. >> i don't know. does he know the era we're in? >> the obama era. >> the latest on the united auto

worker's strike against detroit's big three and how the white house is getting involved in these negotiations. with us, we have the host of "way too early," jonathan la mere. caddy kay and president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard -- >> these are the people we want to have. the if we're about to head into world war ii -- >> thank god. >> if we're about to head into world war ii -- >> they know everything about it. >> richard haass will help us know what we need to avoid heading into world war ii. caddy kay concerned. a lot of friends and loved ones in britain. if the battle of britain is looming, she wants to be the first to know. jonathan la mere, you cover this beat. maybe you can tell us why donald trump thinks he's running against barack obama and we're about to enter into world war

ii. >> spoiler alert on world war ii. i like our chances. i like our chances. >> i do, too. >> it seems the former president was confused as he mixed up his political opponents. >> this i -- >> as you know, crooked joe biden and the radical left thugs have weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, leading by owe lot, including obama. you take a look at obama, take a look at some of the things he's done. this is the same thing. the country was very divided and we did with obama, we won an election that everyone said couldn't be won. >> we have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and is now

in charge of dealing with russia and possible nuclear war. just think of it. the we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> he says 2 so dramatically. he's got the music. it's almost like it's the summer of 1939 all over again and, you know, his father's going to a nazi rally or something or a klan rally. i don't know which rally he did or didn't go to. >> you'd think they may want to take out the cognitively impaired part of his speeches from now on. >> that's an attack line the republicans and trump love to use but, man, it does seem like he was looking in the mirror just there. i think that we see these polls that suggest voters are more concerned about president biden's age than trump's age. trump is only three years

younger. anyone watching trump shows he's changed, too. he's definitely slowed down a step. not that he's ever been the most -- clearest of thinkers, not that he ever perhaps was always someone who wouldn't trip over his own words but that has only accelerated here. the speech on friday, joe, he gave back-to-back speeches in washington, fairly late in the day. maybe he was swept up in the dramatic that was almost playing him off the stage. >> the music. >> maybe that was the aids trying to say, wrap up, mr. former president, you're getting yourself in trouble here. he did say he would be happy to take another cognitive test. we can leave you with the -- >> he may not pass that. >> you just did it again. i want to play the clip again. especially with the obama stuff he starts to stutter and everything. play this one more time. >> as you know, crooked joe

biden and the radical thugs have weaponized the government. obama. you take a look at obama and take a look at some of the things he's done. this is the same thing. the country is very divided. we did it with obama, we won an election everyone said couldn't be won. >> we have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and is now in charge of dealing with russia and possible nuclear war. just think of it. the we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> just how he says world war ii. he says it with such self-assurance. you know, caddy, this could happen to all of us. in fact, it happens to me about 12 times a day after like 3 in

the afternoon. i'm the last person to judge. by the way, we're thinking and praying for your family as you guys prepare to bat ten down the hatches for the next battle of britain, but i think the bigger issue here is when anybody under 75 looks at these videos, i'm dead serious here, neither of these men are in cognitive decline. they're tired. they're old. they campaign and at the end of the day they start to lose words. we all -- you all are very young, but as you get older, sometimes you just -- you wear down and you lose words at the end of the day. >> especially if you have six legal cases against you and you feel like your head is going to explode every day trying to think about how to get out of them especially if you committed the crimes. >> i don't know if mika was being entirely sincere there, but that is also something, if any of us had one federal charge against us. that would be an unbearably

load. he has 91 counts, four indictments, and it's got to be weighing down on him. the question here, caddy,, is that i heard over the weekend, it wasn't like oh, my god, donald trump's lost his mind. oh, my god, joe biden's lost my mind. the question comes back to, do we not have anybody under the age of 75 that can run for president of the united states in america snrk and when? >> in a country of 330 odd million people you would think there would be people out there, right? all of the polls have shown us that none of the country is excited about the prospect of a trump/biden rematch and yet for a multitude of reasons that many people are disappointed with, that seems to be exactly where we're heading again. it will be really interesting to see whether videotape like that one where i -- first time i heard it, i have to confess, i thought the network overplayed the music as a spoof but it does

add to that slightly surreal quality and so perhaps that's why he was whispering in a weird way about world war ii. the question will be when people their kind of videotape where it's hard to follow what donald trump is saying and he does seem to be kind of mumbling, will it have any impact? trump has gotten away with vigor, strength or something. when you read transcripts, it's hard to follow them. he does meander a lot. polls don't reflect that. as people hear more of that videotape, the world war ii, am i running against obama, the kind of meandering, does it make a difference on the polls? >> rirn ard, the thing is, i've

always thought it, it's hilarious. >> the board salad, whatever you want to call it. the absolute insanity if you follow the transcripts. they look at joe biden and say he's cognitively impaired. when you follow any joe biden press conference as far as actual facts, as far as actual policy, policy prescriptions and compare him to just about any other donald trump press conference, there's just not a comparison. yes. yes, i can play five minutes of tape that shows donald trump looking cognitively declined. i can dotd same for joe biden. at the end of the day though who was coated on policy, donald trump loses by a landslide every

time, doesn't he? >> it does. sometimes i think there's a method to his madness. he's quite clever about crossing lines on legal culpability. hue he was fencing with kristin welker on abortion, or he throws out the nonsense of how he'd end the war in ukraine and get them into a room like he ended the north korean weapon program. he lessons. i just think his supporters are kind of impervious to this kind of thing. >> they really are. it's the fire hose of falsehoods, as they say, mika. >> well -- >> they're very good at it. george orwell used to talk about how fascists are much better at

propaganda. there's no doubt donald trump has torn a page out of the farrist playbook. in this case the fact that he thinks he's running against barack obama and we're about to start world war ii. >> his supporters may be impervious but i'm not sure prosecutors will including taking responsibility for trying to overturn the 2020 election. in a wide ranging exclusive interview with "meet the press" moderator kristen welker said it was his call to believe the 2020 presidential election was rigged. >> you called some of your outside lawyers. you said they had crazy theories. why were you listening to them? were you listening to them because they were telling you

what you wanted to hear? >> you know who i listened to? myself. i thought the election was over at 10:00 in the evening. >> were you calling the shots though, mr. president, ultimately? >> as to whether or not i believed it was rigged? >> oh, sure. >> okay. >> it was my decision. >> let's bring in chuck rosenberg. it's one domino falls after another for donald trump's propaganda. they would say, if donald trump has caused insurrection, why hasn't anyone been charged with sedition. you hear he was just following his attorney's advice. you're saying that a client can't follow an attorney's advice without getting sent to jail? talk about what this admission -- what legal impact this admission by donald trump may have? >> great questions, joe. we've heard a lot about this

purported advice about counsel defense. the idea is if you have an attorney/client relationship with someone and she gives you advice and you rely on that advice in good faith and you get indicted, you can introduce that advice at trial to negate, disprove your intent. he's taking advice from people that aren't his lawyers. the fact that you meet someone in walmart parking lot and they tell you you can trade on inside information doesn't mean they're your lawyer and you can rely on that advice. even if you get over that hurdle, joe, even if you get over that hurdle, you'd have to be listening to the advice and hear what mr. trump said to kristen welker. he wasn't listening to the advice, he was relying on his own judgment. that's the narcissist in him. he could never admit anything

people tell him. that under cuts the advice of counsel defense. if you get past that hurdle you have to rely on the advice in good faith. even if you got past that hurdle, the way you do all those things, joe and mika, is by getting on the stand and testifying to who told you about the things you could do or couldn't do. getting on the stand for mr. trump is a very, very difficult proposition. i just don't see how, if we get to that, that could possibly go well for him. >> and, again, i'm not making too much light of what was said this weekend about where he lost his train of thought. he kept trying to remember who he was running against. this is a guy, as chuck said, you don't want to put this guy on the stand for a variety of

reasons. >> yeah. >> the pressure is obviously catching up to him. it's crushing in on him and he's -- he's at times incoherent and as a lawyer you just don't want to take that chance of putting that person on the stand. >> how exposing are these zments of course you can hear trump talking out of both sides of his mouth as well as his lawyers. they don't have much to work with. they can say, well, is it against the law to believe something? >> well, no, certainly not against the law, mika, to believe something, but if what you want to do is use an advice of counsel defense at your criminal trial, then you have to have relied on that advice in good faith. so, again, two problems here. one is it doesn't seem to be good faith reliance. two, at least with respect to mr. trump's answers to kristin welker, it doesn't seem to be reliance at all. in other words, i trust my own instincts. i do what i think is right. i'm always the smartest guy in the room.

if that's the case, i don't need lawyers. i made the decisions here. if that's true, mika, it really isn't an advice of counsel defense. i think it's not dispositive on the issue but it undercuts the notion he has a valid defense here. >> chuck, late friday jack smith in the federal election interference case asked for a partial gag order on trump, a narrow gag order to restrict what he can say, to prevent him from to go any witness intimt my dating. where do you see the judge landing? >> this is a difficult path for a judge to navigate, jonathan. what the judge wants and what the prosecutors want are essentially the same thing, a fair trial, a jury pool that is

not undermined by mr. trump's comments. mr. trump wants something very different. he would love to have a jury pool that is colored by his remarks, by his comments, by his criticisms. so the judge has to follow this narrow path. it's one thing to craft a gag order, it's even relatively easy to impose a gag order. it becomes really hard to enforce a gag p order and making sure if he's posting on truth social or some other social media platform, perhaps his attorney has to levi it. shea could find him. if at the end of the day, trying

to preclude him from doing that is going to be very difficult. very, very difficult. we'll see how it turns out. >> former u.s. attorney chuck rosenberg, thank you very much. we'll be talking to you again very soon. thank you, chuck. >> and richard haass, a big week in new york city for the united nations. zelenskyy coming to town "the new york times" says to make a case for more aide and to say thank you. what other news do you expect to come out this week? >> a lot of people are come being to town, including president zelenskyy, prime minister netanyahu. we don't see xi jinping, not vladimir putin, not the prime minister of the united king come

to. it's not what happened at the u. nmpt, it's what happened around the u.n. it's twrg zelenskyy. in new york, he'll focus cuss. i think the bilateral between president biden and netanyahu in new york, even though netanyahu did not get the meeting he wanted in new york, that will be interesting against the backdrop of the political crisis. i don't think this is an important week of the history of the world. >> white house aides are so optimistic. they think the president can do

it. the president is in new york doing some fundraising as well. as much as you're picked -- the bill stands no chance in the senate. it has no funding for ukraine. it underscores the results. with democrats, it's surprising to me how often democrats raise this as an issue, something they don't want to see happen particularly when they're anxious about economic times. the president has a lot to do with allies to make sure they will carry on. u.k. prime minister not here nor president macron because king charles is visiting france and

they will all keep it. they would be key and trying to make it more appealing amongst americans. for republicans to do well support for ukrainians could dry up if not evaporate. >> a lot more to get here on "morning joe." the united auto workers strike continues. possible layoffs for nonstriking workers. we'll take you live to toledo. and the union's president will join us here on "morning joe." what he wants to see happen now. plus, china is preparing for war with the u.s. that assessment is coming from the airport.

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strike. i understand workers frustration over generations auto workers sacrificed so much to keep the industry alive and strong especially through economic crisis and pandemic. workers deserve a fair share of the benefits. >> with sound from outside the stellantis plant, phil lebeau. thank you so much for being with us. the companies offered a 20% pay increase and the union said not enough. are we getting close? >> i don't think it's close. it's not just the fact they want 40%. ford and stellantis at 21%, gm at 20%. that's going to be 25, 26%. that's the prediction. there are a lot of other issue. 32 hour work week, that's a no go with the automakers. from their perspective, let's

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still a number of issues there. it's not just about pay. >> you're saying as far as pay goes, they want a 40% increase in their pay. >> yes. >> they want a cut from 40 hours a week to 32 hours a week. that's another 20% pay increase in the automakers' minds and you're saying the automakers are looking a the this as a 6 of 0% increase in these workers' pay. do they just think they can't afford that? >> reporter: they can't go all the way where the uaw wants them to lead. in their minds, that's too far. there is a limit. we heard from ford ceo jim farley last week, he said, there is a limit. he didn't say what the limit was but there is a point they can't go any further. the interesting thing to keep in mind is not only do the automakers have to think about what do we need to do to lock in a contract but, remember, they already all in with wages and

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second loss fumble for stroud. keeping is richardson and anthony richardson into the end zone for his second touchdown of the day. to throw looking long. looking for burks. he's got him at the 20 yard line. >> second down and 10, allen up.

caught. touchdown! >> perfect. >> second and 15. going to launch it. wilson and it's intercepted. >> he's got to cover everything. >> samuel to the edge. steps through a tackle. now cuts it back. deebo samuel in traffic for the touchdown. >> smith to throw. pressure from hutchinson. great throw to lock it down for the end zone. it's over. the seahawks win it. >> third and long. mayfield off his back foot. touchdown, tampa! >> mahomes on third down and 6. mahomes stops. floats it up. it is caught wide open. sky moore. >> send a couple of jabs his way. >> some trickery for smith. ritter going deep for hollis, he's got it. >> first down, lamar jackson.

plenty of time. taking a deep shot for flowers and flowers has it. >> shrinking it to the end zone. was it caught? yes! touchdown. jones throws, end zone, shot. it's caught by hodgkin's for the touchdown. >> baker mayfield. 2-0. the bengals, 0-2. crazy. and the atlanta falcons. if i start stammering around and start talking about world war i just being around the corner, it's probably because my atlanta falcons are 2-0 since, well, before world war i. the game tying touchdown brought the new york giants back from 21 points. 21 points in the third quarter. a field goal completed the 31-28 victory over the arizona

cardinals. let's bring in espn's pablo torre. all the kids are talking about it. older people love it, too, like me. i don't know how he does it. >> it's not for older people. >> it's so great. it reverses male pattern baldness. >> scientifically true. >> pablo torre finds out. >> i like that. >> we found out a couple of things, right. >> yes. >> i'm not just saying this because, you know, we're in new york, right, i'm saying this because we did find out that the jets obviously were just what you said the jets were last week. they still had flashes of brilliance on defense and the giants, man, they're -- >> joe. >> -- they're not as bad as we thought. that's a heck of a come back. >> that's a hell of a

valedictory address. i'm sitting next to richard. he's been pathetically fist pumping his highlights. just for context, the cardinals are supposed to be trying to lose every game they play. they have caleb williams in their eye. they have two top draft picks and the giants escape, escape after a first half that can only be described as existential dread. they come and pull it out. here we have giant fans feeling like the bar is so low that they can feel a little bit better. yes, there is success. my lord. between the jets and giants, i don't think everybody should be feeling all that good. i'm staring at richard to my right. >> really, throw some cold water on it, baby. i'm going to name two quarterbacks. you talk about them. baker mayfield and joe burrow, what's going on? >> joe borrow banged up again. he never beats the browns.

the ravens, this is a team that should be a super bowl contender. the bengals, we've gotten to the point where we knew them as hapless and now we know them as a team that's going to disappoint us. baker mayfield, joe. baker mayfield was the delinquent. he's been the number one overall pick and here he is in tampa bay and i'm watching the clips and not just the games, the stuff afterwards. he has tom brady's old team feeling like maybe they got something special. baker mayfield is over indexed on political charisma. he's always been the greatest commercial actor in professional sports, baker mayfield. amazing at commercials but now he has -- he's living an advertisement for what it means to get a third chance. that is pretty phenomenal. >> you talk about joe burrow. joe burrow is going to come

back. >> no worry. >> it's shocking that the bengals are 0-2 right now, but baker mayfield, i agree with you. it's not just that he put together a couple of games, it's almost like he's starting to believe in himself again. people around him starting to believe in him. it's fascinating. i'm a falcons fan. i know they're 2-0. they may end up 2-14. >> possible. >> they came through and won. the lions, a fascinating team. what a great game the lions and seahawks put on for everybody. >> yeah. did you get your bijon robinson jersey stitched on to your back, joe? >> no. he's good. >> that kid out of texas, okay? talking about all the time in sports, the death of the running back, that's the story across the league. they drafted this kid early. he provides tremendous value economically. when you watch him, he's special. he catches, he runs.

you have to go back to it, is it the civil war to find a falcons playoff berth? >> yes. so feel good about that. the lions, i think, yeah, an encouraging story in their own right. >> pablo, only two weeks but seems like some of the best teams in the league are nfc, ekeless, cowboys, 49ers. we mentioned the ravens, 2-0. chiefs will be fine. they seem to have a good defense. let's talk about the miami dolphins who beat up my patriots last night. >> i was waiting for this. >> the pats felt like they had to have. tua was good. the pats didn't make any plays. >> tua is undefeated against bill belichick. everyone's face gets rubbed into the mud here at this table. >> apparently. >> bill belichick, did you see that thing with the flag. he tries to challenge a spot placement of the ball and he takes his challenge flag in his

hand and he throws it down not looking like a 71-year-old coach of the greatest of all time, doesn't want to go to bed. dunks it on the floor and this is the frustration of what it means not to have tom brady. the dolphins are so good. mike mcdaniel is a schematic wizard. they used to be the most predictable and now you have the dolphins atop it. you have the bills looking better. the jets, you can feel better about. the patriots are the bottom of the division. >> let's circle back to my team, daniel jones, doesn't he basically show he deserves it? he's getting close to an elite quarterback? >> daniel jones, they had to pay him. this is one of those answers that's going to sound like a compliment for four seconds and turn into an insult.

you have to pay him because he is deserving of that money. any time a start quarterback or would be start quarterback comes up, you've got to pay them. that's what they make. to keep him, you have to pay him $160 million. do you actually feel great about giving him $160 million in the second half of last night's game? in the first half and most of the season, probably no. >> man, you're a downer. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. it's tough out here in new york. >> god, pablo. >> let's do this. one area that causes great pain to richard to another. >> oh. >> and everybody at the table. baseball. we're wrapping it up and right now it's the red sox and the yankees fighting for last place in the al east. what else are you seeing out there? >> yeah, i'm seeing a bunch of teams that can finally relax when they didn't used to. i made fun of the orioles. so many furious orioles fans, joe, not just your son have

reached out, how do you like this? 93 wins, noted. the yankees sneaking ahead of the red sox. congrats to of course the braves, congrats to indiana, dodgers, the rays. it's all but settled but my lord, man, it's hard down at the bottom. >> yeah. jonathan just talked about the nfc being the strongest. are we looking at a world series where the braves or the dodgers are the most likely winners in the national league? >> yeah, it's feeling that way, joe. it's one of those situations where money doesn't buy everything but when you're the dodgers it helps to have it as well as have the behavior of a team that's a spendthrift. this is a team that used to be inspired and then they got the ray's management. the rays are the team that has

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welcome back to "morning joe." it is 52 past the hour. the white house's national security adviser met with china's foreign minister, jake sullivan met with china's top

diplomat in europe over the weekend. officials say the meeting was part of a larger effort to improve u.s./china relations and maintain open lines of communication. it comes as the secretary of the air force is warning that china has been modernizing its military to, quote, design a force with the intention of having the ability to deter and if necessary defeat u.s. intervention in the western pacific. >> let's bring in the major general under the secretary. thanks for being with us. lay it out for us. what's china preparing for. >> first of all, good morning. thank you for having me, especially on the air force birthday. >> 76. >> we will be 76. 76 years young. the united states will be ready and, you know, one thing to keep in mind we have strong alliances

with our allies and partners able to deter aggression and conflict is not inevitable in this region but it is concerning and want to follow international rules based system. >> talk about the behavior that concerns you the most. >> yeah, you know, from our perspective any type of intrusion towards taiwan is certainly concerning the modernization efforts, so for those reasons, you know, we are certainly creating more inon ability through the region and have lots of exchange programs so, for example, we have f-35 pilots embedded with australia teaching there but across the region and if you look at, you know, fifth generation fighters being flown out of japan, south korea, australia and others, those provide a foundation for a strong deterrence, so the key to remember is that we're much stronger together and we can deter aggressive behavior in that region. >> the goal is to deter.

meanwhile china is spending 6%, 7% increasing on defense and have the advantage of geography, taiwan only spending 2%, and we have global responsibilities that limit what we can do. are you worried while our goal is deterrence and if necessary defense, that we're simply not where we need to be? there's still a gap between where we are and where we need to be. >> so from our perspective, i think the center of gravity here is that we have so many strong allies and partners so alone it's difficult to do it, you know, especially in a force like that, but when you look at what each country brings to the fight and they certainly have a vested interest in deterring aggression i think we're in a good shape there but certainly investing and modernizing and looking to the future makes sense for all of us. >> so the president has been making that pitch, the idea of looking to the other nations, including those there and say come with america and our allies

rather than relying on beijing. this is what we'll hear at the united nations and brand-new reporting in "the new york times" over the weekend outlining just how escalated both countries' efforts are to spy on the other. what's your level of concern between this and the lack of communication on the military level between washington and beijing that something could flare? >> there's always the chance of miscommunication as seeing with meeting with the higher levels between the national security adviser jake sullivan and his counterpart, that is a positive step to making sure there is no miscommunication. we have seen some, you know, unprofessional behavior as far as intercepts throughout the region so it is concerning. certainly, you know, china doesn't want to have, i think, you know, an incident, but increasing those communication flows is helpful. >> general, one of the things that america's adversaries look at is the political dysfunction

in this country and you've got a prime example going on in the military sphere with senator tuberville. the republican trying to -- holding up, blocking promotions at the most senior levels. how concerned are you about those blockages and whether they're causing an effect on your ability to do your job and the health and safety of the people who serve under you? >> so, certainly this is outside of my lane, more in the political realm but our service secretaries have been unified in their responses and secretary austin as well to explain that it does undermine overall readiness, you know, just this last weekend, i was talking with an attache and remarked it is a little confusing as you look to the future when they try to set up long-range meetings with their senior members of their militaries who is it they're going to meet with and creates uncertainty. i'm sure we'll work through it but i think our political leaders have articulated that

that is -- it is a threat. >> all right, assistant deputy undersecretary of the air force and international affairs major general julian cheater, thank you so much. >> thank you, general. >> for being on. >> thank you for your service and happy birthday. >> happy birthday today, air force. >> thank you, joe. still ahead on morning morning, the latest on the looming government shutdown and new push to stop it from house republicans. plus, the latest on the fulton county election interference case in georgia and the most recent trump co-defendant looking to move his case to federal court. "morning joe" is back in a moment. severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist

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mr. president, what is your response to republicans opening an impeachment inquiry into you? >> lots of luck. >> president joe biden yesterday brushing off a question about the house's impeachment inquiry into him. it comes as speaker kevin mccarthy weighs in on a possible subpoena for the president's son. welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday, september 18th, it is the top of the hour. jonathan lemire and katty kay are still with us and joining the conversation we have host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton joins us. >> jonathan, we talked about football and baseball.

let's talk about what else happened over the weekend. a lot of people talking, certainly going around on x, twitter, whatever about donald trump seeming to be addled, confused, in another place. what exactly is going on and have you gotten a response from the trump camp on it? >> so, donald trump had a pair of events on friday in washington late at night and he made a number of shall we say verbal missteps suggesting he was running against barack obama in 2024 as opposed to joe biden and warned that the nation may be about to plunge into world war ii. >> world war ii. >> world war ii. >> i'm not good at math. how long ago did that war end? >> it was about 80 years ago, in fact, and let's take a listen to what the former president mistakenly said. >> as you know, crooked joe biden and the radical left thugs who have weaponized law enforcement to arrest their

leading political opponent and leading by a lot you including obama -- i'll tell you what, you take a look at obama and some of the things he's done, this is the same thing. the country was very divided and we did with obama, we won an election that everyone said couldn't be won. >> we have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and is now in charge of dealing with russia and possible nuclear war, just think of it. we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> just never gets ole. >> it gets worse. >> world war ii and, again, rev, he's talking about joe biden being cognitively impaired. he looks cognitively impaired. i don't know that either of are cognitively impaired.

they get tired dimes. donald trump thinks we're about to start world war ii. joe biden thinks ukraine is iraq. i mean, you get tired, you get confused. it happens. it happens to both sides, but, you know, the question is, are they going to keep talking about joe biden being cognitively impaired when donald trump sounds cognitively impaired every time he talks and now he thinks he's running against barack obama. >> well, we've never heard joe biden say that he was running against barry goldwater and we've never heard him say that he could end world war i, but i would also suggest that maybe something else to mr. trump's being drifting off from what is clear and present at the moment, and that is possibly not only is his age a factor, maybe the fact he's facing 91 counts and 4

trials have rattled him more than his supporters realize, and he may be up at night more concerned and worried about going to jail or others turning on him like one of the workers at mar-a-lago than he gives on. that will give you cause for your mind to drift when you're under pressure and trying to play like all of this doesn't matter to you, so it could be age, it could be the weight of him looking at 91 felony counts that he's been indicted for, or it could be a combination of both. >> rev, i'm sad to support that wasn't the only political story going around twitter/x over the weekend. we have to get to this. republican congresswoman lauren boebert of congress has railed that the left is grooming children by exposing them to what she calls obscene content in reference to things like drag performances for children and

the use of lgbtq inclusive flashcards that teach colors to students. well, on friday boebert apologized for her own behavior coming at a recent performance of the family-friendly musical "beetlejuice" showing in denver. >> that's a nice show. >> for the kids. >> flashcards. she's worried about flashcards and let's also as we're looking at footage, let's give credit to the quality of the nightvision cameras at this theater in denver, colorado, extraordinarily clear because the 36-year-old congresswoman first denied reports that she had been vaping during the performance but you'll see in a moment she was. according to the "denver post" a pregnant woman seated behind her asked her to stop. >> taking flash pictures. >> there it is before boebert was ejected for causing a disturbance at the show. but thanks to the high quality cameras there in that theater

boebert had to change her tune and apologize after surveillance video revealed that she was, indeed, vaping, as well as she and her companion explicitly groping each other repeatedly while they were in their seats. the congresswoman, a mother of four, and a grandmother said, quote, i simply fell short of my values on sunday. >> jonathan, when you said explicitly groping each other, what does that mean? >> i mean, don't ask joohee to answer that. i -- >> i think lauren boebert is known for not reaching across the aisle in congress but there was some of that here with her male companion, a lot of, let's say, they were handsy in their behavior. katty kay as we look at the flash photos and the vaping and the, you know, other -- >> groping. >> lewd behavior. >> let's call it groping, just another example of republican hypocrisy to you?

>> i'm just glad that i'm not the one being asked to describe what groping means. you know, it's kind of rare to hear lauren boebert be sort of vaguely apologetic about anything. she doesn't do it very much but i guess when you've just won your election by five votes you need to make sure that you hang on to all of the votes you possibly can, which i suppose is why she's sort of changed her tune. i mean, i was -- it's kind of a change of character for her to come out in anything other than defiant mode so i think she realizes this doesn't go down particularly well with people in her district. that's -- >>. >> jonathan, she denied even the vaping part. >> but the video has it. >> and then the vaping came out and then what a lot of republicans are focused on, republicans are focused on the hypocrisy of the groping where she's concerned about flashcards and we won't show it here.

this is obviously a family show other than when i accidentally said the "f" word 12 times but she -- it was really explicit groping according to a lot of republicans that were just saying this is -- i don't know if it was -- it might have been ann coulter who said this is why everybody calls us such hypocrites. here's a woman being shocked and stunned and saying she's this christian nationalist and jesus should have had ar-15s and he wouldn't have been crucified and these flashcards are going to destroy our women. she's there with a bunch of kids and families and doing all of this stuff and i guess she's apologized because so many republicans are attacking her. >> yeah, it's a rare moment. so many republicans continue to deny things even when presented with video evidence when it happens. i guess give her partial credit for not doing that. she also flipped off a number of the theater staffers when she

stormed out of the showing. mind you again, family showing, "beetlejuice," denver but lauren boebert, also she barely won as katy said last time around and they feel like they have a pretty good challenger against her so her seat is not safe and this comes at a moment where she's one of the rabble rousers in the house with marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz and others trying to push to impeach president biden and shut down the government so she has more time perhaps to attend family-friendly shows in denver with a male companion which she's overly friendly with. >> i think actually the biggest probably her biggest thing is republicans may do what they did with steve king and i, enough, and forget about the general election. make it to a point where republicans decide they're going to put up somebody strong to run against her in the primary because they don't want -- republicans don't want this. >> we'll leave that there.

former -- there's more now. former president donald trump taking responsibility for trying to overturn the 2020 election. he said it out loud in a wide-ranging -- >> he said it's not my lawyers. it's not my staff. it's not my advisers. i'm the one that came up with the idea of trying to overthrow an american democratic election. >> in a wide-ranging exclusive interview with "meet the press" moderator kristen welker trump said it was his call to believe the 2020 presidential election was rigged. >> you called some of your outside lawyers, you said they had crazy theories. why were you listening to them? were you listening to them because they were telling you what you wanted to hear? >> you know who i hear, myself, i saw what happened and i watched that election and i thought it was over at 10:00 in the evening. >> were you calling the shots, though, mr. president, ultimately. >> as to whether or not i believed it was rigged? oh, sure. it was my decision.

>> it was his decision and, you know, jonathan, let's put it in perspective. it was his decision to still believe that this election was stolen after 63 federal courts said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. after his own as he would call it, his own supreme court, i said, no, no, no. there's this wasn't a rigged election. you even had alito and thomas writing in a supreme court decision about pennsylvania saying, there aren't enough votes here to change the outcome of the election. yeah, we can talk about this issue, which i think would have been a legitimate issue for the supreme court to talk about. we, having to do with pennsylvania, the supreme court, versus the legislative powers up in pennsylvania, we can talk about that and we probably

should, but even if we do, it won't be enough votes there to overturn the election so he's even hearing from thomas and alito, i think i may have said scalia before on this issue and he still decides, i'm going to try to overthrow the election. that's the context all of this is in. >> yeah, and every time donald trump gives a television interview he says something that's admissible in court and this is undermining one of his defenses here that one -- those floated by his legal team he was acting on the bad advice of his lawyers back then and he's been very explicit that's not and this is a pattern with trump. he is so cognizant and frankly insecure at the idea that he's never not fully in charge, that someone else is giving him marching orders that there have been other times where when he was in the white house where staff would give him an out and he wouldn't take it because he

couldn't accept the idea that anyone would perceive that he wasn't making every single decision, and that's what we're seeing here where he is saying, i decided to push the big lie. i believed it. i said we should act upon it and in many ways it's probably only going to make jack smith's case that much easier. >> meanwhile, lawyers for jeffrey clark, a key co-defendant in the fulton county election interference case will head to court today. clark is looking to move his case from the deeply democratic fulton county to what is likely to be a more friendier courtroom and argues any decisions he made in the wake of 2020 election falls under the scope of his job at the time as assistant attorney general. let's bring in political investigations reporter for "the guardian," hugo lowell from atlanta ahead of the jeffrey clark hearing. does he have any chance of being

successful as others haven't, hugo? >> reporter: yeah, it doesn't appear that way. the star witness for the former county district attorney's office is jodi hunt, the former head of the doj civil division in the trump administration and i've been speaking to jodi hunt himself as well as others in the legal community who know jodi well and the two big takeaways are bad news for clark. jodi hunt appears to believe that jeff clark was off reservation when he was doing his election interference activities at the behest of the former president, and not within the scope of his official duties and, number two, even though jodi hunt believes that the former reagan attorney general edwin meese is a good guy and a personal friend, he thinks that the affidavit filed yesterday on the docket in this case was seriously lacking and it was an affidavit defending jeffrey

clark saying he had all this privilege and the fact that he was working with the president and it was all deliberative but if jodi hunt as expected delivers damning testimony against both of those counts today, mika, i think clark will be in for a rough ride. >> hugo, last week we were talking to andrew weissmann and suggested the idea of moving cases to federal court in order to get a better jury pool or kind of, you know, more diverse jury pool may actually not make much difference, that actually the jury pool from fulton county and the state court would not actually be very different from a federal court. can you clarify that for us? would there be a big difference for these defendants if they managed to get it moved? >> reporter: well, you know, i think if you ask jeffrey clark he would say yes and this is part of the whole effort to get it removed but there is this point about, you know, if you go before a federal judge there

might be more inclined to not side with the district attorney's office as much because, you know, they're not in and out of this courthouse like they might be in superior court down the road but i think you kind of raise this point about how if you believe that jury systems in this country are inherently flawed and, you know, people can't listen to the facts and the law and merits of the case you have a problem with the whole judicial system as a whole and i think actually andrew does make a good point when he says, look, whether it's in state court in fulton county superior court or even if it's in federal court most jurors can weigh the facts and the law and come to the correct decision. and so i think there is a wider point about how, you know, a lot of these efforts to remove and to sever just appear to be delaying motions and things that they're trying to do to stay in cahoots with the former president. >> all right, "the guardian's" hugo lowell, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. in washington key groups

within the house republican conference reached a tentative agreement last night to keep the government funded through october 31st. the deal which was made between the far right house freedom caucus and the center right main street caucus includes a funding bill for the department of defense as well as a wish list of conservative demands, multiple gop sources with knowledge of the agreement said. that includes pairing the bill with gop-led immigration legislation from earlier this year that severely restricts access to asylum and includes calls to finish the wall at the southern border. the republican deal also calls for an 8% cut to domestic spending with exceptions for military and veteran funding. however, there is no mention of aid for ukraine or disaster relief, which have been sticking points for both parties and the white house. let's bring in democratic

congresswoman barbara lee of california. she is a candidate for u.s. senate. >> congresswoman, what impact does this deal have on maybe avoiding the shutdown? it doesn't sound like a whole lot of points in there that democrats are going to agree with. >> nice being with you this morning. really this is -- was worked out just last night, so, of course, we have to actually look at what we say the devil is in the detail, but based on what the press is reporting, it seems like that they -- their intent is to poff forward to try to make sure that the government does shut down. you know, i serve on the appropriations committee and the budget committee and each one of the bills they put forward had all of these poison pill right yachters, for example, denying access to reproductive health care for our women in uniform, also defunding totally diversity, equity and inclusion

initiative, banning the pride flag at federal buildings, on all of these bills they had their agenda and their agenda was not even related -- they're not even related to the appropriations committee or the bill, so i'm not sure what they have in mind but to me it appears they want to shut down the government. >> okay, so speaking of agenda, i just sort of looming over this or adding to the dynamic is, of course, the impeachment inquiry against president biden and now word that hunter biden will be subpoenaed. how do you think that impacts the ability to negotiate with the republican counterparts or does it? >> well, this is a bogus type of effort on their part and, in fact, we're going to continue doing our job for the people. you know, we're fighting to make sure that, one, we deliver, which we said we would. we have delivered and we want to

continue delivering on reducing the cost of living. we have an affordability crisis. we want to make sure that health care, that education, that all of those issues that address the quality of life for people, that we keep fighting for that. i think people will see who's on their side and who is not on their side through this very ridiculous and silly and bogus investigation that they're moving forward with. >> congresswoman, as we look at what they're doing in terms, they being the republican caucus and this small group, but effective group, are we also looking at the bigger picture of what is going to happen to the principles and goals of having a true democratic republic that's at stake? you've been fighting a long time. i remember in '94 you and i were part of the election watches in south africa for their first election, so this is something

that we're talking about the fundamental basics of how our country is going to be governed. isn't this at stake and everything they're doing from the budget to the hunter biden kind of investigation? isn't this really about their overall trying to change how we're going to govern and who is going to be in charge of governing? >> absolutely. our democracy is fragile. i was on the floor on january 6th, had to evacuate. i know what they're up to, and i think the country does in terms of, first, their attempted coup. they tried to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. donald trump, we all know who he is and he is not a democratic leader. he has always attempted to move in an autocratic fashion and now he has the republican caucus through their policies trying to follow suit, and it's very dangerous and we have to stop this and that's why these elections coming up are so important. we have got to, yes, elect

president biden and vice president harris because we have got to have that -- our government that's going to be a government that's going to preserve our democracy. look at what they've done in terms of trying to roll back our voting rights. lgbtq right, labor union rights to organize, environmental rights. they're trying to -- our reproductive -- the first time constitutional right has ever been taken away in terms of the dobbs decision and so this is their agenda, and it's thought a democratic agenda. it's an autocratic agenda being led by donald trump. >> democrat congresswoman barbara lee of california, thank you very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. thank you. >> nice being with you. >> all right, take care. other news we're following this morning, russell brand's management agency terminated all professional ties with the actor and comedian after sexual assault allegations were published this weekend by multiple british news outlets.

four women have come forward with allegations against brand that include rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse. the accusers who have not been name include one who said she was sexually assaulted during a relationship with him when she was 16 years old. another woman says brand raped her in los angeles in 2012. the reported allegations occurred between 2006 and 2013. "the sunday times," the times" and channel 4 published the allegations saturday after a joint investigation. brand has denied those allegations saying in a video statement that his relationships were always consensual. british police said it was aware of the media reporting of a series of allegations of sexual assault and is in contact with the news outlets. we'll be following that. still ahead on "morning joe," the united autoworkers

strike continues in three plants but the union is threatening to expand the work stoppage to others. we'll get the latest on the negotiations when the union president joins us live in our next hour. plus, we'll get reaction from wall street on the strike and the looming decision from the fed on interest rates. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will have much more on all of that. also ahead, we're keeping an eye on iran this morning. the country is expected to release five american prisoners as part of a prisoner exchange with the united states. five iranian prisoners, as well as billions of dollars in frozen funds are expected to be released by the u.s. as part of the deal. "morning joe" will be right back.

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are set to be released as part of a high-stakes deal. last week, the biden administration announced that it had taken steps to secure the swap. as part of the deal, the u.s. would release $6 billion in iranian funds that have been frozen due to sanctions. joining us now chief international correspondent keir simmons with more. keir, what details do you have on this deal really? >> oh, mika, it's very complex. as you mentioned it's $6 billion that was as a result of iran's oil sales. there are some exchange, some money exchange issues that have made it difficult for iran to get hold of the moneys and had to go to a swiss bank then sent to qatar what the biden administration is saying and the crucial part is that qatar and the u.s. will effectively have control of that money still and it will only be used for humanitarian purposes, food,

medicine, that being said, a week ago, president raisi said that iran would have control of the money and where it would go so that's one of the controversies. mika, there will be plenty of others, clearly, iran has been a slow burning fuse since president trump pulled out of the nuclear deal, the fuse has included the enrichment of uranium, the alleged sending of drones to russia, so, i guess the diplomatic hope is that this stabilizes perhaps that relationship with russia begins to inch forward some kind of negotiation with iran, but, you know, just the relatives of the young woman killed, for example, and the terrible crushing of those protests, just they, for example, will have something to say about the timing of this as well as those, for example, who will say that this prisoner

exchange, effectively what you do when you do that you encourage them to take more prisoners. >> let's turn to china and learned jake sullivan met with the chinese foreign minister. i believe that minister is doing double duty after a purge in beijing. >> yeah. >> we know that president xi jinping will not be attending the general assembly in new york this week but they're working between a potential meeting between xi and biden. has progress been made between beijing and washington? >> we don't know and the big question is, as you know, will president xi and president biden meet in november at apec in san francisco. that's the kind of headline question, but underneath that, i guess what we're kind of seeing, i think it's similar with iran is the biden administration just trying to talk, trying to talk, just take a look at the number of u.s. officials who have visited iran just this year.

cia director, secretary of state, the treasury secretary, john kerry, the secretary of commerce and then we just heard jake sullivan meeting with the foreign minister in malta over the weekend for two days of talks potentially talks about that idea of a meeting between president xi and president biden. what do the chinese think of this? that's an interesting question and had a chance to interview an academic who is very close to a lot of chinese diplomats, is interesting to listen to what the chinese are saying about how they want america to behave if they are going to carry on talking. take a listen. >> country, equal treatment and resolve difference through dialogue, cooperation.

mutual respect is also one of the core principles keyword of our china-u.s. relations. china is willing to strengthen dialogue and consultation with the united states based on the principles of mutual respect, peaceful co-exist and willing cooperation, effectively implement the important concerns reached by the leaders of the two countries and cooperate on hotspot issues and other security issues. >> there effectively you have the chinese saying we believe in talking. we believe in a meeting between the heads of state but we only believe in it on certain terms, and rather cryptically at the same time in the past few weeks we've had a note from china's ministry of state security in which it said that it thinks communication with the u.s. can also result in control and then

it attacked the u.s. talking about -- accusing the u.s. of decoupling and breaking the chain at the economic level, ganging up at the political level, deterring and blocking at the security level, discrediting and belittling at the public opinion level and constraining and blocking at the rule level. a different part of the chinese government there, and i guess one of the questions is, do the chinese see the biden administration's enthusiasm for a meeting with president xi as an opportunity to get leverage? another aspect of it is, are they actually -- the prospects of china getting real changes, the kind of change it's talking about seem remote and how will china respond, how will president xi respond if china doesn't get what it says it wants? >> keir, can i go back to this iran prisoner swap, a day full of drama on that. >> yeah. >> look, even if these people get out, these five manage to get out, there are reports and i just wonder if you can confirm, some reports that three more

american iranians, dual nationals have been picked up and arrested just in the last couple of weeks. so won't iran just keep using dual nationals as pawns and keep trying to use leverage like this? >> a great question and many will say that is the problem. that is the challenge. i mean, you could go all the way back to britain's margaret thatcher who would say, i won't negotiate because if you negotiate, you just encourage more bad behavior. that's not really, though, much of a consolation for some of those family, is it and i've spoken to manile of those families over the year. the painful desperation is heartbreaking so it is a very, very difficult diplomatic challenge. talking can lead somewhere even with a government like iran and that that might have potential benefits in the future. the other view, of course, you know, epitomized by the trump administration you don't talk,

you just put pressure on and wait for a change. >> nbc's keir simmons, thank you very much for all your reporting this morning. we appreciate it. >> you bet. and coming up, our next guest dives into the tangled history of pandemics, vaccines and the health of nations. why he says the world keeps repeating some of the same mistakes each time a new epidemic emerges. "morning joe" will be right back.

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accusing democrats of trying to create hysteria about covid-19 as recent numbers show an uptick in cases, trump's comments comes right after the cdc recommends new booster shots for everyone 6 months and older. joining us now is a professor of history at columbia university, simon schama, author of "foreign bodies: pandemics, vaccines and the health of nations" and want to hear about the book, especially in the context of covid, starting there with kind of a big question, if i may, how is the world doing in terms of coping with covid? >> well, mika, because of all the experience and knowledge and not least the extraordinary scientific ingenuity which managed to come up with vaccines

in a shorter time than anyone could have imagined. on that side we're in relatively good shape but ultimately it comes down to an issue of persuasion. i mean, underneath this whole enormous life and death subject is an extraordinary paradox about us now. on the one hand we are, you know -- we are humans are capable of astonishing scientific investigation with a practical effect of saving lives. on the other hand humans are barely evolved creigh you are toos, basketfuls of paranoia, conspiracy theories and cynicism which manages to politicize public health and it's quite easy as we now know particularly in the united states to throw that in the works. viruses do not vote. viruses don't care about voting. it's people who actually are prepared to actually try and gain political traction from

suspicions about vaccines, who are a shocking problem, and this is clearly the case in the campaign being run by the governor of florida and his handpicked surgeon general who was someone who thought that talked about controversial treatments. a recent poll showed an astonishing and stark difference between the willingness as people identifying as republicans and democrats to accept this new booster shot and this -- it's not even really a booster shot. it's a new vaccine, because the variants of ultimately omicron, variants behave -- they've enormously mutated and behave in different ways, natural immunity and old booster will not help.

hospitalization cases are rising even as we speak. i'm getting my shot this afternoon, so hope everybody else is too. >> yeah, i certainly plan to in the next week or so. simon, there are the politics of this, you started to get into. we should as a nation and world, we should be better prepared for the next pandemic, right? such advances in vaccines, mrnas, development and so on. is it your concern because of political concerns when the next pandemic comes and god forbid it is soon we'll be worse off than before? >> historians' default mode is gloom usually, wise gloom so i'm an exception. i'm sort of temperamentally a half full glass but depends on credible persuasion. a lot of people i talk about in my book in the 1800s and 1900s began demonstrating this

stark -- putting poison in your own body to protect yourself from a lethal case and began by vaccinating themselves and going on an extraordinary promotional campaign. in one case a scientist at the end of the 1890s, i talk about going thousands of miles to the poorest of poorest all around india in order to do that so you need work, you need work with religious leaders often co-opting them makes a big difference because people who think there's some battle going on between science and religion tend to say only god should be the judge of who will live and who will die. >> simon, on that point, one of the things we learned during the pandemic, covid-19 pandemic right here is that it is the more impoverished or those that are economically challenged communities that are given more to the conspiracy theories or

putting the religious concept that, you know, god will handle this and if god allowed it to happen, it's his will. what then should be the strategy that we learn from history of those that have trust and that have some credibility with those segments of society that have been the most oppressed or the most neglected in terms of making them understand that they should deal with vaccinations or any other medical resolve that -- >> it depends on trust, doesn't it? i mean, so much depends on trust, the health of nations, so it's crucial for scientists. it's not in their job description really to reach out to pastors and rabbis and imams and community leaders but the difference, you're exactly right by saying, the difference of

less well off communities being disproportionately victimized by being unwilling or frightened or think it's too much of a problem particularly with their children or young adults and them actually being persuaded that vaccines are safe. hundreds of millions of people have actually safely been vaccinated with the messenger mrna vaccines, which the governor of florida is now saying are not safe, so it's crucially has to exactly to say it's a kind of mobilization of well-intentioned, knowledgeable, knowledgeable people to persuade those who don't have the time to do epidemiological homework to actually safely look after their families and themselves. >> the new book is entitled "foreign bodies: pandemics, vaccines, and the health of nations," columbia university professor simon schama, thank you very much for coming on the

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now in dc, sports soccer analyst, roger bennett. roger, i want you to know i was with you in spirit and was cheering on mighty everton. first half looked good. holding my breath the second half. my thoughts and prayers are with you every saturday and sunday. >> everton are worse right now than lauren boebert during a trip to the theater. >> oh, there it is. that is a bad sign. less entertaining certainly to watch. but let's talk about some problem, some problem at -- at

old trafford. what is going on? >> yes, the premier league is back and the big game of the weekend, let's take a look. manchester united, owned by the tampa bay buccaneers, glaser family, hosting brighton. the tiny seagulls, a traditionally small time with no money, but they have soared a bit. they're like money ball but in cleats. this was like watching tiffany be out earned by kay the jewelers. this made it 2-0. pascal gross happy to be in human form. but the back breaker, let's look at this goal. this is a wonder, thunder hammer from hal pedro, the kind of straight that is known as a

blitz. the power as well as. oh, should we talk about happier things? >> let's talk about sheffield. of course, pulling away with the win but the sheffield fans angry at some decisions. >> this is a beautiful story. tottenham currently surging. the brazilian who talked this week about entering therapy to grapple with mental health challenges, he scored the lifeline goal and then created 110th minute winner, latest comeback win in premier league history. spurs fans, those emotions they're currently experiencing, happy and optimistic. savor every second. >> it was absolutely crazy. you know, people called, some friends called about liverpool falling behind, 1-0 against wolves. they said, boy, they must be having problems. you know, wolves actually looked

good in first happen but liverpool was too strong a team, right? >> happy rosh hashanah, wolves fans. equalized in the second half, winning with a wondrous move capped off by andy robertson, acting like your average scotsman when it is closing time at the pub. oh, coming on the juke box, happy days for you and the liverpool football club soaring again. >> the reference to the proclaimers. come on, man. it is amazing. there's a look at the table at city. i mean who can touch city right now, man. >> yeah, they are like artificial intelligence in human form. they are unstoppable. they are the future. >> yeah, incredible. roger bennett, as always, thank you so much. >> happy new year.

>> courage. still ahead, one of donald trump's former attorneys who happens to also be his co-defendant is publicly breaking with the former president. jenna ellis who has been indicted in president says she wouldn't vote for donald trump in 2024 because of his, quote, narcissistic tendencies. how could she have ever seen that coming. that comes as trump admits to nbc news it was all his decision to believe the 2020 election was rigged even when 63 federal courts said it was not. "morning joe" back in a minute. e ♪ somewhere, anywhere... ♪ ♪ i just want to lie motionless in a chair! ♪ booking.com, booking.yeah ♪ ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways!

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with their stop gap measure. meanwhile, it is not if but when house republicans will subpoena hunter biden. that's according to house speaker kevin mccarthy. his new comments on the impeachment inquiry are just ahead. plus, donald trump is actually taking responsibility for something related to the 2020 election. >> actually, everything. >> yeah. could be -- >> he actually admitted, it is all my fault. >> it could be problematic but that's what he does. we will show you what he said. >> what he remembers, what he said, and he remembers what year he said. >> oh, boy. >> did you see that speech? >> i did see that. >> he thinks he is running against barack obama. >> and that world war ii is looming. >> he said that joe biden could lead us into world war ii. that will be a heck of a bumper sticker for the 2024 campaign. but he has obama on his mind still. >> who is too old now?

>> three times he can't remember joe biden's name but he says he's too old to run for president. he can't even remember joe biden's name. >> does he remember the era? >> the obama-era. and the latest on the automakers striengd how the white house is getting involved in the negotiations. we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay and president for american council on foreign relations. >> these are the people we want to have. >> this is it right here. if we are about to head into world war ii. >> thank you god. they know everything we need to know. >> he will help us to avoid what we need to know to avoid world war ii. katty kay very concerned. if the battle of britain is looming she wants to be the first to know.

jonathan lemire, you cover this beat. maybe you can tell us why donald trump thinks he is running against barack obama and we are about to enter world war ii. >> spoiler alert on world war ii. i like our chances. i like our chances. >> i do, too. >> yeah, it does seem that the former president was rather confused in this speech that he delivered friday in washington, joe and mika, as he mixed up things with one another and warned president biden would lead the country into a conflict that ended nearly 80 short years ago. we should take a listen. >> as you know, joe biden and the radical left weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, leading by a lot including obama. i tell you what, you take a look at obama and look at some of the things he has done, this is the same thing. the country was very divided and we did with obama, we won an election that everyone said couldn't be won. we have a man who is totally

corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country, who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and is now in charge of dealing with russia and possible nuclear war. just think of it. we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> he says two. so dramatically. he has the music. it is almost like it is the summer of 1939 all over again. >> wow. >> you know, his father's going to a nazi rally or something or a klan rally, i don't know which rally he did or didn't go to. jonathan lemire, you think they might want to take out the cognitively impaired parts from now on. >> it is an attack line they do

like to use but it looks like he was looking in the mirror there. we see polls that suggest voters are more concerned about president biden's age that than president trump's age. trump is only three years younger and he has changed too. he has never been the most perhaps clearest of thinkers, not that he ever perhaps was always someone who wouldn't trip over his own words but it has only accelerated here. the speech on friday, joe, he gave back to back speeches in washington. it was fairly late in the day. >> yeah. >> maybe he was swept up in the dramatic music that seemed to be playing him almost off the stage. >> it was the music. >> maybe the aide was trying to say, wrap up, mr. former president, you are getting yourself in trouble. he did say he would be happy to take another cognitive test. he thinks that's the key to elections so we can leave you with man, woman, tv, person, whatever that was. >> you just did it again.

let's play the clip again. i'm trying to figure out what happened, especially with the obama stuff. he starts to stutter and everything. play it one more time and ask -- >> as you know, crooked joe biden and the radical left thugs weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, leading by a lot including obama. i tell you what, you take a look at obama and take a look at some of the things he's done, this is the same thing. the country was very divided. we did it with obama, we won an election everyone said couldn't be won. we have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country, who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead, and is now in charge of dealing are russia and possible nuclear war. just think of it. we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> just how he says world war

two. he says it with such self-assurance. you know, katty kay, this could happen to all of us. in fact, it happens to me about 12 times a day after 3:00 in the afternoon. so i'm the last person to judge. by the way, we are thinking of praying for your family as you guys prepare to batten down the hatches for the next battle of britain. but i think the bigger issue here is when anybody under 75 looks at these videos and i'm dead serious here, neither of these men are in cognitive decline, they're not. they're tired. they're old. they campaign and at the end of the day they start to lose words. we all, not you all, you are very young, but as you get older you wear down and lose words at the end of the day. >> especially six legal cases against you and your head is going to explode every day

figuring out how you are going to get out of them, especially when you committed the crimes. >> i don't know if mika is entirely sincere, but if any of us had one federal charge against us it would be a heavy load to bear but this guy has 91 counts against him, four indictments. the question here, katty, i heard over the weekend, it waemt like, oh, my god, donald trump has lost his mind, oh, my god, joe biden has lost his mind. the question comes back do we not have anybody under the age of 75 that can run for president of the united states in america and when? >> in a country of 330 million people you would think there would be people out there. all of the polls have shown us none of the country is excited about the prospect of a trump/biden rematch and yet for a multitude of reasons that many people are disappointed with that seems to be exactly where we are heading again. i mean on this thing, it will be

really interesting to see whether videotape like that one where -- first time i heard it, i have to confess i thought the network i was listening to overplayed the music as a kind of spoof. but it adds to that slightly surreal quality of it and perhaps that's why he was whispering in this weird way about world war ii. the question will be when people hear that kind of videotape where it is hard to follow what donald trump is saying and he does seem to be kind of mumbling, will it have any impact on all of those polls that show that more people think joe biden is too old to run for reelection than donald trump is too old to run for reelection. trump has somehow got away up until now with projecting vigor or strength or something. actually, when you read transcripts of trump's speeches for a long time it is difficult to follow them. he does meander a lot. polls don't seem to reflect that. it will be interesting as people hear more of that videotape, the

world war ii, am i running against obama, the meandering, does it make a difference on the polls. >> richard, the thing is, i have always thought -- i think it is just hilarious you have people that actually support donald trump, have listened to what he has said, the nonsense, the garble, the world salad, whatever you want to call it, just the absolutely insanity if you follow the transcripts and then they look at joe biden and say, oh, he is cognitively impaired. when you follow any joe biden press conference as far as actual facts, as far as actual policy, policy prescriptions and compare them to just about any other donald trump press conference, there's just not a compareson. yes, i can pair five minutes of tape that shows donald trump looking cognitively in decline. i can do the same for joe biden. at the end of the day though if you cut down under neither that and just talk about who is koeg

cogent on policy, donald trump loses by a landslide every time, doesn't he? >> he does. what is interesting about trump is every once in a while i think there's method to his madness, that he's actually quite clever in crossing lines about legal culpability, on policy issues how he was fencing with kristen welker yesterday on abortion or he throws out the nonsense about how he would end the war in ukraine and get these guys like, what, he ended the north korean nuclear program. in his own way he reduces his vulnerability and he spins for his base and it works for them. he can get away with this kind of stuff, joe, and i think his supporters are kind of impervious to this sort of thing. >> they really are. just the fire hose of falsehoods, as they say, mika.

>> well. >> they're very good at it. i mean george orwell used to talk about how fascists are better at propaganda and there's no doubt donald trump has torn a pay out of the fascist playbook when it comes to propaganda. you just load up and load up and fill it with so many lies people become impervious to it. >> people may be -- >> and the fact that he thinks he is running against barack obama and we're about to start world war ii. >> his supporters may be impervious to it but the next interview we're about to show you, i'm just not sure prosecutors will be impervious to the things that former president donald trump says including taking responsibility for trying to overturn the 2020 election. in a wide-ranging exclusive interview with "meet the press" moderator kristen welker trump

said it was his call to believe the election was rig it. >> you called some of your outside lawyers, you said they had raise theories. why were you listening to them? were you listening because they were telling you what you wanted to hear? >> you know who i listen to? myself. i saw the election and i thought it was over at 10:00 in the evening. >> were you calling the shots though, mr. president, ultimately? >> as to whether or not i believed it was rigid, sure. >> okay. >> it was my decision. >> let's bring in former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. chuck, it is one domino falls after another for donald trump's propaganda. they used to say if donald trump committed insurrection, why hasn't anybody been charged with sedition. obviously then get charged. we heard time and again, oh, he was just following his attorney's advice. are you saying that a client can't follow attorney's advice without being sent to jail?

talk about what this admission, legal impact this admission about donald trump may have on him? >> great questions, joe. we have heard a lot about this purchase ported advice of counsel defense. the idea here is that if you have an attorney/client relationship with someone and she gives you advice and you rely on that advice in good faith and you get indicted you can adduce that advice at trial to negate, disprove your intent. there's a bunch of problems when you apply it to mr. trump. first, he is taking advice from people who aren't his lawyers. the fact that you meet somebody in a walmart parking lot and they tell you that you can trade on inside information doesn't mean that person is your lawyer or you are allowed to rely on that advice. even if you get over that hurdle, joe, even if you get over that hurdle you have to be listening to that advice and hear what mr. trump said to

kristen welker. i thought it was a great exchange and credit to her. he was listening to his own advice, that's the narcissist in him. he couldn't admit anybody told him anything valuable to him. he does what he thinks is right. that undercuts the advice of counsel. even if you get past that hurdle you have to rely on the advice in good faith. even if you are passed that hurdle, the way you do all of those things, mika, is getting on the stand to testify about who told you the things you could and couldn't do. getting on the stand for mr. trump is a difficult proposition. i don't see how if we get to that it could possibly go well for him. >> again, i'm not making too much light of what was said this weekend about where he lost his train of thought. he thought we were going into world war ii. he kept -- you could tell he was trying to remember who he was

running against but obama kept coming to mind. this is a guy, like chuck said, you don't want to put this guy on the stand for a variety of reasons. >> yeah. >> i mean the pressure obviously is catching up to him. it is crushing in on him. he's at times incoherent. as a lawyer you don't want to take the chance of putting that person on the stand. >> how exposing are these comments because, of course, you can hear trump talking out of both sides of his mouth as well as his lawyers and they don't have much to work with but they can say, well, is it against the law to believe something? >> well, no, it is certainly not against the law, mika, to believe something. but if what you want to do is use an advice of counsel defense at your criminal trial you have to have relied on that advice in good faith. two problems here. one, it doesn't seem to be good faith alliance.

two, with respect to mr. trump's answers to kristen welker it doesn't seem to be ryleeance at all. in other words i trust my instincts, i do what i think is rye, i think i'm the smartest guy in the room. if that's the case, i don't need lawyers. i made the decisions here. if that's true, mika, it is not an advice of counsel defense because there's no reliance on counsel. it is not dispositive on the issue but it undercuts any notion that he has a valid defense here. coming up, one of our next guests served in the u.s. army in iraq and afghanistan. congressman jason crow weighs in on the state of america's fighting force now that a single senator is standing in the way of military promotions. that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ myself again.

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a big week this week in new york city for the united nations. zelenskyy coming to town. "the new york times" says to make a case for more aid and to say thank you. what should we expect not only on the ukraine/russia war but what other news do you expect to come out of this week? >> well, a lot of people are coming to town including president zelenskyy, prime minister netanyahu and president of south korea. a lot of people aren't coming to town. we don't see xi jinping. we obviously don't see vladimir putin. we don't see the prime minister of the united kingdom or the president of france or the prime minister of india. look, what always happens this week, it is not what happens at the u.n. let me just be clear. it is what happens around the u.n. i think you will have an interesting meeting many you talked about with zelenskyy. in new york he is going to focus on getting international support

for ukraine. when he goes to washington, that's where he is going to talk about accelerating the quantity and quality of military aid that he gets. i think the bilateral between president biden and president netanyahu here in the morning, bibi netanyahu who did not get the meeting he wanted in washington, that will be the interesting thing against the backdrop of the israeli political crisis. to be honest, i don't think it will be a critical week in the history of the world. it is just the u.n. is not the center of an awful lot of what goes on in the world now days. >> yeah, white house aides are optimistic because so many other leaders are skipping this one, they think the president can make inroads with key allies, his center piece speech at the u.n. tomorrow morning. katty kay, domestic politics are going to overshadow the entire week, the president doing some fundraising as well, and the audience, as much as pitching international leaders on ukraine, he has to do it back

home. it didn't escape attention that the continuing spending bill proposed last night in the house, we will get into it later, it stands no chance in the senate, has no ukraine funding which underscores the uphill climb. >> polls have shown support for ukraine slipping among republicans, but also among democrats. when i traveled around the country it surprised me democrats don't want to see this happening, especially when raising issues about economic times. the president has a lot of work to do, particularly with the european country allies. king charles is visiting france this week and they're all skipping it and they would be key in shoring up european support but he has to do something to try to making this, you know, more appealing amongst the american public. he knows everybody is conscious that ukraine is now on america's

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this is really important. >> absolutely. rhein forests. >> 100%. 100%. >> no, this is about the election, you pinheads. >> oh. >> that is important. >> yeah. >> so what can we do? >> okay. today is register a friend day. okay. so both of you are registered. >> of course.

>> what's registered? >> sean! shawn, everybody has to be registered. get your phone. we're going to do it right now. you're going to text, you're going to text the word friend to the number. 26797. okay. send this to all of your friends, your entire, your entire contact bend. >> the word "friends" to 26797? >> yes. >> that's all? >> that's it. it's easy. send it. >> okay, done. >> that's is easy. thought you were going to ask for money or something. >> i did not. >> i knew you were muting me! >> my god, my pants. >> i'll get club soda. >> i know you don't live in the same house. >> i'm going to faint. i'm getting the soda. >> idiots. "will and grace" stars sean hayes, eric mccormick and debra

messing reuniting for that psa to increase voter turnout for national register a friend day. the day was established by the non-partisan movement i am a voter and will take place next tuesday, september 19th. debra messing joins us now. she is a founding member of i am a voter. also with us the co-founder of i am a voter. you guys are best friends. i love this. it is so nice. how did you decide to team up on register a friend day. i'll have you start. >> early on we saw this incredibly compelling data about how important and influential peer-to-peer organizations are. we all know the power of an influence or friends in our lives. god knows the things i have done

because deborah asked me to do them. so we kind of took that idea and tried to figure out a way to make this more digital friendly and native to young voters who are on social media. we create a day called register a friend day. we trademarked friends don't let friends skip elections. we got the three female leads of the campaign to launch the campaign with us. we did these custom badges and found a way for all of these different people and all communities and universities to show up and participate and tag their friends and make sure they're registered to vote. it was our highest day of engagement. we had billions of media impressions. it broke through the noise because i think it was fun and so easy for people to participate. ten raw helps us launch this from the beginning four years ago and we've been working together and i've been a voter since day one.

do you remember that? >> we were on vacation and mandana was working on building a coalition for i am a voter. i dove in and we just sat on the floor and we just got to work. i mean i have been working on campaigns since 2004. i have knocked on endless doors and done phone banking and i really connected to the change that voters want to see. i'm a storyteller and i really believe in the importance of narrative change. so i want to use my experience to try and reimagine civic engagement and to inspire people to use their voipss. >> debra, let me jump on what you just said. the 2024 election is shaping up to be, i don't know, i think it is the most important election of our lifetime. i mean democracy is on the ballot. for you what is the number one issue that is top of mind for

this election cycle? >> i don't think there's anything more urgent than abortion. the roll back on women's rights is incredibly alarming. it keeps me up at night. but, but i still have hope. 20 states have banned abortion or restricted the procedure earlier in the pregnancy than what was mandated by roe v. wade and the fight for access is still happening in the courts. but in the last few months we have seen a reversal of that friend at the state level. an example is what just happened in ohio. i think we have an incredible opportunity at the local, the state, the federal level to reverse this horrible encroachment on our bodies and to remind people of their power and to encourage them to get out

and vote and to tell them how critical it is because actual lives are at stake. >> mandana, you've heard that voter participate is one of the few direct measures that we have for sole cohesion, the felt of our society and how we are protected in our community. tell us about that and do you have a call to action for our viewers? >> thank you. it was based on so many incredible studies that have come out. it does make sense. voting is one of the most impactful ways we show up for members of the community. voting was never meant to be a self-interested thing where we vote only on the issues when they impact us. we are supposed to vote for the issues and freedoms of our friends and neighbors and community. abortion should be an issue that men vote on. debra worked on equal marriage for ten years.

when you think about this backdrop, the polarization of people on social media, the lack of trust and faith in political institutions and information, we are more than ever going to need to rely on trusted resources like our friends to get us information. so i do think this is an important moment to just reflect on the people that you care about and how you can do more every single day to show up for those people and to advocate for their rights because democracy is not something that just happens once every four years. it really is every single day. >> register a friend today is tomorrow. to read more about i am a voter, head over to know your value.com. debra messing and mandana dayani, thank you both, best friends. it is great to have you on "morning joe." i hope to see you back here really soon. this is really important. we appreciate you. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. this is so fun. >> that care. we will be right back with more "morning joe."

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the united autoworkers union is back at the negotiating table with detroit's big three automakers. this as workers in missouri, michigan and ohio are still on the picket lines. nbc news correspondent jesse kirsch has the latest. >> reporter: as the united autoworkers strike against the big three rolls into day four, this morning signs of hope. the uaw writing on saturday, we are reasonably productive conversations with ford. doesn't that seem like a long way to have come in a positive direction? >> yeah, it does. but it also tells us that they have -- it is not an agreement yet. he could be as reasonable as possible but is it an agreement for us to get back to work and

continue to provide for our families. >> reporter: the company writing ford remains committed to reaching an agreement that rewards our abilities a protects ford's ability to invest in the future. general motors restarted negotiations with the union. while more bargaining with stellantis is expected today, the union and jeep maker bickered over the weekend. >> we're a number. they do not care. >> reporter: the stalemate affecting more than those on strike. ford laid off 600 workers because of the walkout. >> the companies have made significant offers but i believe they should go further to ensure record corporate profits mean record contracts. >> reporter: top aides are coming to detroit but the white house says they're not part of negotiations. the uaw is pushing for a 40% wage increase over four years among other demand. the big three say they've made four offers. the union has countered but is keeping quiet on details.

now tens of thousands of livelihoods hanging in the balance. >> reporter: what is it like to try to support a family of four on what you are making right now? >> you can't. you have to have dual incomes in the house. you have to have everybody pitching in. >> reporter: uaw saying it depends on the big three. >> if they don't come to the table and get things resolved we will keep amping that up. joining us live president of the united autoworkers union, shawn fain. thank you very much for being with us this morning. we want to know if as of this moment is there anything new in the negotiations? >> thank you for having us, mika. really things are still, you know, status quo, moving slowly. we had, you know, some meetings over the weekend but, you know, we still have a long way to go. it will be up to the company ow this plays out so we'll see how things progress the next few days. now, if we have to a up pressure

is what we're going to do. >> what does amping up mean and what are the biggest issues where you are the furthest apart? >> you know, amping up means we have a lot of members out there who are frustrated and fed up and ready to take action. so, you know, if the companies don't respond to the members' demand, we have to do what we have to do. you know, we are far apart on several issues. we have been very clear from the onset we want to end tiers, and tiers are where you have workers on the line doing the same job for severely different rates of pay and there's no excuse for that. you are pekted the day you hire in as a worker to perform the same work as the person next to you and there should be no reason there's a $16, $15 pay discrepancy there. that's one of our issues of many. >> i was wondering about what the annual salaries are we are talking about here because i think just on the face of it if you hear, oh, my gosh, they're asking for a 40% wage increase,

that sounds like so much unless we are talking about what salary, what salary have we been dealing with that the workers have been living with for years that you say and the workers say are not living wages? >> so the top -- you know, the top rate of pay for our workers is around $32 an hour. when a worker hires in, you know, you have to understand the migration now, the pathway. they hire in as a temp worker. they could be a temp worker from a year to five years or more and they're making $15, $16 something an hour. then it takes eight years to get to full pay. when they get to full-time they start out about $18 an hour. they actually start at a lower rate now than they did in 2007, 16 years ago. so the sad reality is you look at what went on in the last four years alone in the company.

in the last decade they made a quarter of a trillion dollars in profit, but in the last four years north american profits for the big three are up 65%. the ceos gave themselves a 40% pay increase over the careers. stock buy backs are up 1,500%. the price of vehicles went up 34%. inflation went up 24% and our wages went up 6%. the sad reality is the cost of labor in these vehicles is around 4% to 5%. they could double our wages, not raise the price of vehicles and they would still make billions in profits. this is a choice by the companies. it is nothing short of two words, corporate greed. >> shawn, it is jonathan lemire. you heard encouraging support from president biden at the end of last week. the white house is suggesting they would like to be involved here. give us a sense as to what they role might be. do you think they will be key to

broengerring some type of agreement? >> not at all. this is our ballot -- first off, our negotiating teams are working hard. our members are out there manning the picket lines and our allies are out there with us. this battle is not about the president, the former president or any other person prior to that. this battle is about the workers standing up for economic and social justice and getting their fair share because they're fed up with going backwards. >> how far away are you from getting this resolved? what is it going to take? what is it going to take to get a deal? >> well, i mean they're going to have to address ending tiers. they're going to have to address the pay rates, the cost of living allowance. the majority of our workers now do not have any retirement security. it is a big issue. then you have our retirees and, you know, there's several issues

to move on still. so job security issues, this transition to ev. there's a lot of concerns with this. so there's a lot of things that need to be worked out and we have been at the table every day 24/7 for the last eight weeks. it is a shame, again, the companies waited until the last week to start getting serious about talking about this. they wasted a lot of time. we told them up front don't do that. we told them up front we expect to deal with these things early and often and they chose not to do that. so they chose to be in this position and that's why we find ourselves where we are right now. >> well, we will be following this. president of the united autoworkers, shawn fain. thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thank you for having us. up next, london mayor sadiq khan is up next live in studio. he is in town to make an in-person pitch to american companies about investing in his city. we will hear his arguments next on "morning joe."

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. it is a cloudy, rainy morning in new york city at 53 past the hour now. welcome back to "morning joe." world leaders will gather this week in new york city for the united nations general assembly, with one of the main issues being how to combat the climate crisis. joining us now, the mayor of london, sadiq khan. thank you very much for being on the show. >> let's just get the most important thing out of the way first, liverpool. the reds came on really strong in the second half. i mean, two assists by salah.

pretty darn impressive. >> good morning, joe and mika. joe and i share a love and a passion for the world's finist football team, soccer team, liverpool. >> amen. >> we've got this habit, joe, of giving the opponents a head start, just to make it interesting. it's not great for the blood pressure. we saw the comeback this weekend, but also we saw the importance of the egyptian king, mo salah in assisting others to score. that comeback is really important. you know, joe, that our main opponents are basically funded by a state. they have lots of money . we have passion and teamwork and unity. fingers crossed, we may pull it off this year. >> let's talk about london. we saw your great city a year ago. the world said good-bye to the queen. so impressive.

you're trying to bring more business to london. right now, if you read the financial times, housing prices, just like in a lot of places in the united states, housing prices are keeping people away. what can be done about that to help london start growing again? >> we see it across the globe. people moving to our cities, at the moment about half the population of the world lives in cities. nothing wrong with living in cities, but more affordable homes, decent public transport, addressing the twin challenges of climate change and air pollution. i'm here to tell americans that london is back, london is open. we are booming after the pandemic. you mentioned the coronation of his majesty, the king. this has been our best summer for decades. we have a great autumn coming up

as well. the message to americans, whether you want to invest in london, do business in london, be a tourist or student in london, please come. you're most welcome. we're grappling with big challenges, affordable homes, public transport, reducing air pollution. we're making great progress. >> the strong dollar doesn't harm americans' visits to europe. they're loving that. they're telling me how wonderfully cheap everything is, which is kind of unusual for london. one thing london is grappling with compared to other big cities around the world is the ongoing impact of brexit. you've been very open about the impact that it's had on your city. you have the opposition leader from the labour party saying he wants to negotiate a new brexit deal, but not try to get back into the european union. does that go far enough for you?

do you think the labour party should be pushing to go back into the european union? >> firstly, even though the u.k. is outside the european union, the underlying strengths of london are still there. the diversity of our economy, tech, culture, life sciences, higher education and so forth, our diversity being a strength, not a weakness. we've got more than 300 languages spoken in london. the second point is that the leader of the labour party and according to most pollsters and commentators, the next prime minister. he's saying we need closer alignment to the european union, not divergence. unfortunately the accomplish public voted to leave the european union. for the foreseeable future we can't talk about rejoining. what we can do, though, is seek

a better alignment with the european union. the brexit deal is up for review in 2025. we've got to be negotiating closer ties with our closest trading partners, our friends and allies from the european union. >> mr. mayor, one of the things that i know you'll be talking about to accompany in terms of investment is the diversity being the strength. you remember 30 years ago i came over to help to lead marches around the lawrence case or the roland adams case. now roland and lawrence's mother is a member of the house lords. talk about how you can also talk about the strength of cities dealing with diversity, dealing with some of the tensions that you must resolve. you being mayor and an activist

yourself, not taking our foot off the gas and making sure the stability of the city is there along with the diversity. >> you've been an inspiration to many of us across the pond. thank you for the work you've done. >> i keep telling joe that. [ laughter ] >> you're spot on. look, i'm quite clear in relation to the diversity is a strength, not a weakness. it makes us richer, not poorer. you know progress isn't one way. you can regress very easily. our prime minister is an ethnic minority and a religious minority. our king is a proud christian king. we have to not just tolerate difference, we've got to embrace it, respect it and celebrate it. in america, you elected president obama.

we were incredibly proud around the world in relations to the beacon of the message you certainty. four years on, eight years on, we saw that progress, some of it being undone. we've seen the best businesses are the most inclusive, the most diverse. there's an economic case for diversity, promoting talent, whether it's women, whether it's minorities, having policies that engender minorities fulfilling their potential. i'm quite clear. in london, i have the london promise. you work hard, you get a helping hand, you can achieve anything. the problem is minorities, women haven't got that helping hand. my mission in city hall in london is to be that helping hand so everyone can flourish. it's the london story and, dare i say it, the new york story as well. >> we were there last year. as i said to you after the visit, it was an extraordinary visit, an extraordinary city.

looking at queen elizabeth's legacy, britain went from being an ancient empire to a post modern, diverse, vibrant city. my gosh, that's something to be extraordinarily proud of. we're very grateful for you being here. london mayor, sadiq khan, thank you so much. >> good to have you. >> hope to see you in london very soon. >> absolutely. >> take care. we are one minute into the fourth hour of "morning joe." 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. president biden meets with world leaders in new york, also ramping up his run for reelection. as gabe gutierrez reports, the campaign is being shaped by everything from his son's legal troubles to china's stepped-up aggression across the pacific. >> reporter: president biden this weekend dismissing congressional republicans who are investigating his family's business dealings. [ inaudible question ]

>> -- impeachment inquiry into you? [ inaudible ] >> reporter: the president instead focusing on this week's united nations general assembly in new york, the packed agenda on escalating tensions with china and russia's war on ukraine. >> russia has shamelessly violated the core tenants of the united nations charter. >> reporter: the u.s. is warning china against helping russia as growing tensions between the two nations are likely to be a flash point in the u.s. presidential race. >> would you send the u.s. military into taiwan if president xi were to invade? >> i won't say. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview with kristen welker, gop frontrunner, former president trump, may have also complicated his legal defense. he now says it was his decision to spread the false claim that the 2020 election was rigged and to try to overturn the election

results. legal experts say that could undercut any defense strategy blaming his lawyers. >> you called your outside lawyers. you said they had crazy theories. why were you listening to them? >> i listen to myself. i saw what happened. i watched that election, and i thought the election was over at 10:00 in the evening. >> you were listening to your instincts? >> that's what's gotten me to where i am, my instinctinstinct? >> it was my decision. i listened to some people. some people said that. >> you know, he said his instincts have gotten to the where he is. he has constantly ignored the advice of his attorneys, of his staff and of his family members.

that's why he's gotten to where he is. >> guilty of sexual abuse and guilty of defamation in a civil trial. the judge actually said it was rape. that's where his instincts have gotten him. meanwhile, one of donald trump's codefendants in the georgia election interference case says he will not vote for him next year. former trump lawyer jenna ellis who was part of the so-called elite strike force team that worked to overturn joe biden's victory in 2020 made the comments on her radio show last week, calling trump a narcissist. take a listen. >> i know him well as a friend, as a former boss. i have great love and respect for him personally. but everything that you just said resonates with me as exactly why i simply can't support him for elected office again, why i have chosen to

distance is because of that, frankly, malignant narcissistic tendency to simply say that he's never done anything wrong. and the total idolatry that i'm seeing from some of the supporters that are unwilling to put the constitution and the country and the conservative principles above their love for a star is really troubling. i think that we do need to as americans and as conservatives and particularly as christians take this very seriously and understand where are we putting our votes. >> wait. where did this come from? i'm a little confused, jonathan lemire. a malignant narcissist, i guess nobody could have seen this before. i am all about converts. so i'm not going to do what

liberals do. why are you on my side now? you're a loser because you've not been on my side before. i don't want to do to that. this is just a little jarring. >> it was really jarring. >> talk about how jarring this is, jonathan lemire, where she was and where she is now. again, i'm all about converts. amen. >> breaking news, donald trump narcissist. word just got to jenna ellis on this. i can't imagine it has anything to do with the idea she's facing criminal charges in fulton county, georgia, alongside donald trump and nearly two dozen other defendants. this must be some sort of coincidence. >> it could be. let's bring in charlie sykes, the founder of "the bullwark" and national political

correspondent for the "new york times." first of all, charlie, i will say it again. as a baptist, i'm all about conversions. that's what we want. yay, i'm glad she sees it, i really am. i'm glad she's saying it. it is quite jarring coming from somebody that pushed the campaign lies as hard as she did. just learning now that he's a malignant narcissist. >> she is shocked, shocked to learn there's a cult of personality around a malignant narcissist and fellow conservatives are willing to put his needs ahead of the constitution. i'm sorry. welcome to the resistance, jenna. if only you had been warned.

jonathan is absolutely right. it's striking how a criminal indictment can marvelously focus the mind about things that you've probably known all along. i do wonder how many of these people in the inner circle part of the big lie conspiracy have known all along, who all know that donald trump is a malignant narcissist? >> charlie, they all know! >> that's right. >> they all know! they'll all whisper it to you, every single one. >> yeah. you think steven miller goes home at night and says, you know, i really would like a little bit more cruelty for the immigrants, but this guy trump, just between us, he's a malignant narcissis and has a tendency to say he's never done anything wrong. jenna ellis was right there when they were releasing the kraken. now she's just shocked to find

out the man she's been shilling for. >> there's a speech donald trump delivered friday in washington where he mixed up his political opponents, warned president biden would lead us into world war ii and kept talking about beating barack obama in 2016 and said he was ahead of him in 2024. take a listen. >> as you know, crooked joe biden and the radical left thugs have weaponized law enforcement to arrest their leading political opponent, leading by a lot, including obama. i tell you what. you take a look at obama, look at some of the things he's done. this is the same thing. the country is very divided. we did it with obama. we won an election that everybody said couldn't be won. we have a man who is totally corrupt and the worst president in the history of our country, who is cognitively impaired, in no condition to lead and is now in charge of dealing with russia

and possible nuclear war. we would be in world war ii very quickly. >> i often marvel at how i can look at will farrell clips and laugh every time. i must say every time he goes world war ii with such drama and talks about beating barack obama in 2016 and him being ahead in the polls again, but again, they play that music. he talks about cognitive decline and he talks about joe biden running russia and how he's going to lead us into world war ii. yes, we could play a lot of clips of joe biden sounding challenged by facts late in the day. nothing worse than what we just saw there from donald trump. >> i think there's something

about the music that seems to make donald trump go into that kind of i'm telling a bedtime story mode. he's kind of trying to tell a bedtime story, except it gets terribly dark and about nuclear war and world war ii. there's a dissonance between the lilting music. you're right, it doesn't make any sense. listening to it again, he clearly seems to be saying he's running against barack obama. he says it three times that he's running against barack obama. joe biden does the same thing. look, i've had elderly parents. you know what happens. you get into your late 70s and your early 80s, you make mistakes, you get tired and make verbal mistakes. they're both doing it. this is part of the problem with having two candidates running for office, whether it is joe biden or donald trump. if you read the transcripts of what donald trump says often, it doesn't make any sense.

it's going to happen. that's what america seems to have ended up with, two very elderly candidates. >> it happens when you get older. my grandma, you know, basically grew up with my grandma. when she got older, she started calling me david. i call jack joey all the time. i'm getting old! it happens to all of us. >> donald trump has been sounding crazy as long as he's been on the campaign trail. >> true that, yeah. >> he said crazy, nasty, narcissistic, cruel things, and he's meant them. they're not mistakes. let's just remember that we need to believe donald trump when he says something incredibly crazy or nasty. >> it's interesting that saturday morning i said to you before we saw this clip, what did i say? i said it was interesting. you don't remember, because

you're getting old, exactly. she's very young. >> no, no. i'm definitely getting old. >> in the morning, we were talking about the campaign. we were talking about democrats being concerned about joe biden. i said, but isn't it interesting the one thing that you don't hear donald trump attacking joe biden about is his age. i said he must have some of these senior moments himself and he doesn't want to get too far out there. >> absolutely. i don't remember you saying that saturday morning. >> you don't remember me saying that? >> no, no. >> okay. >> lisa, we'll bring you in now. democrats, though, are having real concerns. rank and file having concerns about joe biden for a lot of different reasons, just like i hear republicans having concerns about donald trump for a lot of

different reasons. but the establishment is lined up behind him, right? >> right. i think in some ways it's the mirror image of what we see on the republican side, which is you have a political class, some of whom, many of whom publicly and privately say they don't want to be doing this with donald trump and the republican voters is solidly behind donald trump in a way that feels almost unshakable. on the democratic side, you have the reverse. you have a political class saying this is great, joe biden is our strongest chance, the power of incumbency is so important. you have voters shouting up and down in survey after survey for months saying, we have real worries about this, we would love an alternative to the president. it doesn't look like they're going to get one, at least not right now. >> as they look at the landscape, though, wouldn't it be the consensus of most of them that joe biden is the safest bet to face a donald trump, whether

donald trump is old or not, certainly his behavior is consistent. i agree with mika that he's always acts like this, but he's getting even more bizarre. joe talks about his grandmother. his grandmother was not under four indictments and 91 counts. that adds to the pressure of somebody that is older. but isn't it so that even with that donald trump is a formidable opponent and joe biden is their safest bet? is that notsensusconsensus? >> i don't think that's the consensus of rank and file voters. i think that's certainly the consensus of party officials, people like that. they say, look, the powers of incumbency are very strong. he has a good record to run on. he's beat donald trump before. i think rank and file voters look at joe biden and say we have some real concerns. they have concerns about his

age, they have concerns about his vitality. i think there was an implicit promise he made to democratic voters that he would be the figure that would get democrats through what they viewed as this period of existential crisis, right, defeating donald trump. i don't think a lot of these voters really thought through to the possibility of him running at 80 years old and having a second-term president who would end this thing at 84. that is pretty unprecedented. it would be an extraordinary situation. i think voters are worried. >> who's the alternative? >> no one is going to run against a sitting president. as you know, that would be really stupid. you'll probably lose, because you're not the president. second of all, in the process of losing, a lot of democrats are worried they could damage biden going into the general election. no democrat wants to bear the responsibility for potentially sending trump or some other

republican into the white house. so it's all a fantasy scenario. if biden were to say i'm not doing this, you would have many, many democrats jump into that field overnight. >> certainly some democratic governors having some infrastructure in place just in case that were to happen. >> exactly. >> let's talk about donald trump having the affection of the rank and file. is it overwhelming and inevitable that he will be the nominee? that music is the qanon theme, which is another cue to his rank and file. there were some surveys that suggested for republican voters, yes, donald trump was their top choice, but there was some softness or openness to other options. did the indictments only solidify trump's grip on this? >> no.

there was a lot of wish casting that it was soft, that voters would be disillusioned by the indictments. i think that was the assumption even among maga republicans, including people in the desantis circles. ron desantis, i think, believed that if he posed as the mini me that he would be the inevitable inheriter once the indictments came down. there was an anonymous quote from somebody in team desantis, well, wait until the georgia indictments come down, that's when you'll see the break. that hasn't happened. it's not going to happen. the analogy of mirror images of one another is right. you have the establishment of the republican party thinking we can't possibly do this. and you have the rank and file base primary voters who are all in, which of course seems to be the opposite of what you have on the democratic side. i don't see any prospect at this point that republicans are going to break with him.

in fact, even though there were some indications that republicans were going to be more aggressive in taking on donald trump, you're sort of seeing that flagging as well with ron desantis over the weekend actually defending donald trump on russia and a variety of other issues. so, no, i don't think that's going to change. >> by the way, one other thing for anybody who believes ron desantis is somehow going to be a better general election candidate, this is a guy who has a six-week abortion ban. and then over the weekend, he said he agreed with tommy tuberville that he would also destroy the military's readiness to prove a point on a social issue. >> you're right. i think the notion somehow that ron desantis is more electable is absurd. he's taken a more extreme position on abortion. he's tried to check all the

boxes of maga extremism. he just can't help himself. his go-to line these days is how he wants to kill people coming across the border stone cold dead if they have fentanyl in their backpacks. this is the way ron desantis thinks he can pander his way to the nomination, is by embracing the most reckless positions and not allowing any distance between himself and the far right of the party. that whole argument you've been hearing from folks that trump was not electable, the reason not to renominate trump was that he couldn't win as opposed to he's unfit for office, the refusal to say that donald trump should be disqualified, he's just unelectable, well, that excuse has evaporated with recent polls and the performance of his challengers.

>> and ron desantis saying he's going to kill people stone cold dead crossing the border and he's going to slit public servants' throats on his first day in the government. >> charlie sykes and lisa laura. thank you both very much. just to the point of voters who are concerned about joe biden's age. they also will still vote for him. that's the part that we talk about his age as if it's sort of the end of the world. yet, you look at donald trump, and the guy hasn't been mentally fit, many would argue, since he started the presidency, since he was first in office. joe biden beat donald trump. joe biden has a record. find a democrat who can do that. if there was one, joe biden wouldn't have to do this.

those close to him say the only reason he's running for reelection is because donald trump is. we're going to turn back to politics in just a moment. first, some business news. an intersection with entertainment, drew barrymore's talk show will not return amid the hollywood strikes. she had reversed course on sunday, a week after receiving criticism for her initial decision to resume production of her show. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin with more on that. andrew. >> what you're seeing there is the pressure that the wga is bringing to bear effectively on programs even beyond those that historically necessarily were fully written programs. drew barrymore trying, at least initially, to come back and broadcast her program. this was going to be without writers.

she was going to be doing interviews and the like, much the way folks in the news business do. "the view" for example still on the air. they don't use writers. however, her program had writers. she was not going to use writers. this shows the power of social media and the onslaught of criticism that came over the past week. she's a child of hollywood, a long-time actor. perhaps that was even more pressure to bear. as a result, she's now pulling back. the question is whether that pullback changes the dynamic again within the negotiations. we should say the writers are expected to negotiate with the studios this week midweek. it's the beginning maybe of a thawing of sorts. in terms of the calendar, it's very important to the degree that a deal can be struck basically that it gets done within the next month. after the next month goes, it's very unlikely that you could

begin production for programming until frankly next year. you could catch the end of this year if a deal gets struck in the next month, but unlikely. should mention also bill maher is going forward with his program, though he's not going to be using writers. he's received some criticism, but i think maybe withstanding it or doesn't care and planning to do a more talk show kind of approach to all of this. >> i think he doesn't care probably. let's talk about what's happening in detroit, what's happening in the uaw. how far apart are they? >> very. the union is asking for pay increases of about 40% over the weekend. the automobile makers came to basically about 20%. that's the fault line here.

the union is still asking for 40%. we will hear from the union maybe again today in terms of where all of this goes. i would say it does seem very unlikely we're going to be getting a deal necessarily any time soon. what you have is the union doing something very interesting, which is, they've now broken up rather than strike completely, they're striking in different places. so it's going to make it much harder for the automobile makers than they have had historically during these types of talks. >> andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. coming up on "morning joe," we'll have the latest on a prisoner swap between the u.s. and iran. it's a deal that comes with some controversy because of a perceived price tag. plus, the promotion of hundreds of military officers remains in limbo this morning

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we have breaking news. five americans have been freed in a prisoner swap between the u.s. and iran. a qatari plane took off from tehran not too long ago, according to a senior diplomat in the region with knowledge of the prisoner exchange. we're told the freed prisoners

are accompanied by two of their relatives as well as the ambassador to iran. they are reportedly in good health, but will get quick medical checks before they head to america. this, after years of negotiations to bring the detainees home in exchange for the imprisoned americans, tehran will gain access to about $6 billion in frozen funds. for more on this and much more, joining us now democratic member of the house armed services committee, congressman jason crow of colorado. he's a u.s. army veteran, who served our country in both iraq and afghanistan. so from your many perspectives, including the committees that you sit on, what do you make of this prisoner swap from what we know so far? >> good morning. this prisoner swap is actually a good deal for the united states. number one, we don't leave our people behind, we just don't. every administration has done

swaps like this to make sure we're getting u.s. citizens out of iran. iran does this. they take hostages and try to gain leverage. every american should know don't travel to iran, because you are at risk of being taken hostage. we have to correct a misunderstanding here. these funds were not frozen funds. the united states is not making this money available. this money came from a fund that the prior administration, that the trump administration negotiated with several countries that allowed them to purchase iranian oil in exchange for medical supplies and food and medicine. south korea, in this instance, did that. they purchased some oil. that money was allocated to food, medicine and medical supplies. this money could be sent to iran today. the south koreans could do that. we were able to negotiate additional restrictions on top of the restrictions already in place for this money through the treasury department to make sure this money is only being spent

for these purposes. this deal actually created additional oversight on that money, not less. >> let's turn to the house of representatives right now, which is expecting a pretty tumultuous couple of weeks ahead. there's only a few days left before the government funding runs out. republicans did pass a resolution last night on their side of it. there's no ukraine relief, no disaster relief. it doesn't seem to have any shot to get through the senate. talk to us about where things stand. >> the prospects are high. i think there's better than a 50% chance there is a government shutdown, because this is the world that kevin mccarthy has created for himself. he's bargained away all of his power. he's give the ability for the so-called house freedom caucus, the far-right extreme. any one of those members can call a motion to vacate to remove the speaker.

he's trying to placate them. you cannot deal with people whose goal it is to destroy, to tear down and have a shutdown. that is actually their stated goal. i don't know how he gets out of this. >> if they do go forward and say they want to recall him as the speaker or remove him as speaker, is it a possibility that we would see him do what was done, get democratic votes to keep him in as speaker? and then what would the cost be on the democratic side for hakeem jeffries and the leadership to say we'll give you some votes, but we want this in terms of what we agreed to in terms of releasing the budget? >> it really would be something if he would have to come to the democrats once again to govern. i mean, democrats govern. we lead. we actually do the work of bringing good things to the american people. mccarthy has created a situation where he might need democratic

votes to govern and get anything done. as far as i know, he hasn't come to democrats to do that yet. he should come to us with a good faith agreement to fund the government. that would include disaster relief for states, including red states, by the way. we don't care whether it's a red state or a blue state. we want to give relief to people and we want to govern. that is our policy. that is the right thing to do. there are several states in the south in particular that need this aid desperately. disaster relief, ukraine aid and making sure that we don't shut down. a shutdown would cost the american people tens of billions of dollars. it's untenable. >> could i get your take on something we've been talking about all morning? that is the question of age. we've seen the tape of donald trump seeming to think he was running against barack obama, thinking we're about to go into world war ii. we've seen all of the polling showing americans are concerned about joe biden's age as well. when it comes to president biden and thinking of david ignatius

wrote last week suggesting it wasn't the moment for president biden to run for a second term. where do you stand on the president's age and on the age of senior politicians more generally? >> i think it's wrong to look at age. we should look at capacity, acuity and leadership. last year was the most legislatively successful year since the 1960s great society legislation of lyndon johnson. we've passed six major pieces of legislation under the leerd ship leadership of joe biden. why don't we talk about lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene? we should let the voters decide who's performing and who's not. certainly president biden is performing remarkably. >> congressman jason crow, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. so republican texas attorney general ken paxton is back on the job after being acquitted on

16 articles of impeachment on saturday, thwarting efforts to remove him from office over allegations of corruption. paxton was immediately reinstated, ending his suspension without pay that began in may. state senators voted largely on party lines while two republicans broke to vote for his conviction. following the verdict, lieutenant governor dan patrick, who presided over the trial as its judge, lambasted the house for rushing paxton's impeachment through the chamber. paxton's allies promised that republicans who voted against the attorney general would see well-funded primary challengers. joining us now, tony plohetski. >> they're saying this is a grand conspiracy by the bush

family, but that grand conspiracy is so grand that paxton is still under federal investigation and the state of texas have charged him, have they not, on securities fraud? >> yes. an 8-year-old long-running case, three felony security fraud charges that are set to be taken up as early as next year in houston. >> it's interesting. this is such a conspiracy theory. wasn't it paxton's own staff members that went to investigators and said, this guy has been taking bribes from a political fundraiser? >> it's important to note when we talk about paxton's staff members, we're talking about his top aides, people who moved to texas to sit at the right hand of ken paxton.

aides who shared the same deep christian conservative values and said they wanted to be on the front lines of fighting these culture wars not just here in texas, but beyond. so they are the ones who staged a mutiny basically and went to the feds in october 2020 and said, we believe our boss is taking bribes, abusing his office, committing a number of federal crimes that are worthy of fbi investigation. >> so what happened over the past several months? paxton has been embroiled in one scandal after another scandal, personal scandals, professional scandals, legal scandals. what happened? why did the republican senate move the way they did? >> it came down to money in a major way. here's what happened.

those whistleblowers filed a lawsuit against the attorney general's office. ken paxton earlier this year negotiated a $3.3 million settlement with those whistleblowers. he then took that tab to lawmakers and the texas house said, listen, if we are going to be paying $3.3 million in taxpayer money based on these allegations that these whistleblowers brought forward, we need to unpack this, we need to understand exactly what they are accusing you of and why texas taxpayers should be on the hook for your, ken paxton, lawsuit settlement. so they brought forward this 20 articles of impeachment, the house did. it was tried in the senate. again, this major acquittal on every charge, 16 of them and then four were dismissed after the senate voted.

>> thank you so much for being on this morning. we'll be watching this. the u.s. and vietnam are forging a partnership in the semiconductor chip industry. the two countries agreed to billions of dollars worth of business deals led by various companies including boeing and microsoft. the move is in response to china's growing influence on the industry. just last year, president biden signed the $52 billion chips act, which aims to restore the semiconductor supply chain in america and improve national security by reducing our reliance on foreign countries. >> let's bring in the director of external and government affairs for the u.s. department of commerce chips for america program adrianne elrod. everybody woke up one day and said, oh my god, the

overwhelming majority of our chip production in the world is in china or taiwan. if china invades taiwan, we're in big trouble. now we're seeing, of course, chip plants in america because of this act, but also vietnam. is this in response to that concern? >> yes, absolutely. the average american understood what we've been facing here in this country for a long time during the pandemic when the supply chain was effectively broken. if you wanted to buy a kitchen appliance or an electric vehicle or standard things you use in your everyday lives, you oftentimes had to wait upwards of a year to get that device or product. the chips act is to build up resilience in the supply chain and make the chips we need in the united states. zero percent of the world's leading edge chips, the highly sophisticated chips in your

iphones and military equipment, none of those are made here in the united states. 92% of those are made at one factory in taiwan. that is tsmc. we are trying to make sure we can at least allow ourselves to remain competitive in the united states through the chips and science act and make those chips that we need here at home. >> how is that process going? >> it's going really well. i'm excited to break a little bit of news today here on "morning joe." we have never announced the number of applications and pre-applications we have received so far at the chips program. i'm here to announce we received a combined 100 applications and pre-applications so far. that means there is a lot of interest across the country and frankly across the world to invest here in the united states because of president biden's leadership, because of his investing in america agenda. we've also received over 500 statements of interest. i've been on the show a couple

times. we now have over 500 statements of interest from 42 states. that means every single american will benefit from the chips and science act even if they don't live in one of these large cluster regions like ohio, indiana. every single american will benefit because there are companies across the united states applying for these funds. >> we can't have a conversation that includes the words chips or vietnam without talking about china. talk to us about why this investment is so important about what the president has deemed as the fundamental competition of this next century economically, washington versus beijing. >> absolutely. president biden was in vietnam last week where chips was an essential part of his agenda. we put in china guardrails this year. we'll be releasing a rule to solidify the plan we put forward later this year as well. we're not saying we're going to decouple from china, but it's very important we are keeping

the capabilities to build and construct these highly sophisticated chips out of china. right now china is not designing a lot of chips. a lot of chips are designed here in the united states. but they are manufacturing more. we want to be sure we are not investing taxpayer dollars in growing china's capacity to build chips. >> adrianne elrod, thank you very much for the update. also, we are thrilled to announce a new member of the "morning joe" family. this is our extended family. over the weekend our senior managing producer lauren shwitzer brought this sweet baby girl into the world. she's beautiful. her name is carroll louise. mom is taking some time off with

her baby to spend time with her baby. we are so proud of you, lauren. welcome cara louise. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ♪♪ supplements from voltaren for healthy joints. with the freestyle libre 2 system, know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us

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hutchinson, runs away. and walking down into the end zone. it's over, the seahawks win it. >> third and long. and gibbons, touchdown, tampa. mahomes, on third down and six. mahomes stops, closed it up, it is caught wide open, skyy moore. >> a couple his way, some trickery. >> got 'em. >> ritter, calling deep for hollins, he's got there. jackson, taking his time. deep shot. and slinging it to the end zone, and was it lauryn, touchdown, j. and caught by hutchins. >> some of the winningest plays

in the nfl. niners only team out west still undefeated through week two of the season, jonathan lemire, man, the rams/49ers, what a great game. giants showing a glimpse here, giants coming back. unbelievable. seattle had a fantastic game against the lions. that was a nail-biter. starting 0-2, it's a very long season. i'm sure san diego is just going to be fine -- i said san diego. >> i know. >> chargers. l.a. chargers. come on. at least oakland raiders -- oh, wait, los angeles had problems yet. but as far as quarterbacks go, we have a tale of two quarterbacks. you've got joe burrow who is 0-2 which is really surprising how badly the bengals have started out this year. baker mayfield, 2-o what are we expected johnny manziel to come back and have a run at it later in the season? this is quite a turnaround. >> they've been on a scrap heap

but it looks good for tampa. your falcons are also undefeated. as far as joe burrow, the bengals 0-2 last year, too, they rallied. one other note, russell wilson, the broncos were down eight. hit say hail mary from midfield. hit a hail mary but missed the two-point conversion and lost anyway. but, joe, the nfl week is not over yet. we don't have one, two monday night games, carolina panthers host the saints and the pittsburgh steelers play host to the cleveland browns. all right, a must-read thriller just in time for fall. best-selling author jessica knoll joins us with her new novel, next on "morning joe." rn. headache and nighttime pills. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping...

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this court independent of but in agreement with advisory senate rendered by the jury is hereby imposed the death penalty on robert peter bundy. it's a travesty, the humanity that i've experienced in this court. you're a bright young man. you would have made a good lawyer, i'd love to have you practice in front of me. >> those controversial comments

were made speaking to ted bundy, one of the most notorious in history. the chilling words, you're a bright young man" used for ted bundy after a series of horrifying murders back in the late '70s. that phrase inspired a fiction thriller based upon the survivors of bundy's attacks. it's kighted "bright young women" and it comes out tomorrow. and the author said she chose that title to the point rebuttal to the judge's remarks. the book chronicles the myth, instead of analyzing the complexity of the women involved. best-selling author jessica knoll is on. >> jessica, so fascinating on so

many levels, you're inspired by a woman who survived but also this book is partly autobiographical, isn't it -- >> not this one "luckiest girl alive" is. >> oh, okay. >> yes. >> tell us about what the myths are that you were challenging beyond the judge's words, but it's also the concept of the serial killer, you know, having this big aura around him. and the victims dead or alive, somewhat forgotten? >> right. so, we all know he went on to enjoy a celebrity status. and i saw those remarks made by the judge in a new documentary that came out around 2019. and i was absolutely appalled that those words were spoken in the courtroom that day. so, i got interested and i started researching the case. and i very quickly found that there was no basis to call him a

bright young man. or to say he would have had a bright future. he wasn't that smart. he wasn't that charismatic. and he was just kind of okay looking. and those are the words from one of the survivors who i spoke to. that if you really looked at him, he wasn't anything special. and what i did find is that the women he targeted tended to be the special ones. and so i wanted to pull back the lens on what it would have been like to be a young woman at that time, to see the man who caused so much trauma in your life be remembered that way. when, really, you know, the women were the ones that had so much potential. >> so, in some ways, it can correct the record as well. your bookworks to sort of counteract harmful gender biases. you can talk about that? >> yeah, i mean, just the fact that the judge used the words that he did in the courtroom that day.

but beyond that, the way he was spoken about in the press, there were headlines calling him kennedy-esque. and quietly intelligent. and virtually nothing was really written about the victims, especially the one where is he was ultimately never tried for their deaths or their disappearances. so, there's a lot of unresolved grief and trauma around this case. and to me, what was interesting was this idea that he was able to target women because of his looks and his charisma. i just didn't buy that, because i quickly found many transcripts, interviews with eyewitnesses, who reported that, you know, when women were approached by ted bundy, they were annoyed with him. they didn't think he was that great. they weren't smitten with him. he often posed as injured and he asked women for help. that's how he got women to go off with him. not because they were infatuated

with him, but because they felt that social pressure that i think women still feel today to say yes, to be accommodating, and, you know, to take care of people. and that's essentially what he was asking them to do. >> and the new book "bright young women" goes on sale tomorrow, jessica knoll, thank you for being with us, that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," breaking news out of iran, five detained americans now freed, on a flight, out of iran where they speak. where they're headed now and the detail this prisoner swap. the high-stakes meeting just getting under way in georgia. jeffrey clark trying to move his interference case to federal court. we're live at the courthouse. later, day four of the historic