is up next. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. first, mark meadows. now jeffrey clark trying to escape the grasp of the fulton county da and face charges in federal court instead. the former acting assistant ag doesn't dispute his claims about election fraud were lies just that the state doesn't get to weigh in. we have the latest from the courthouse right now just ending that hearing. plus as tens of thousands of auto workers strike for a fourth straight day the impact is starting to spread beyond the picket lines. more than 2,000 nonstriking workers were told not to come in today because there is simply nothing for them to do. more on that and what the workers might learn from the union strike in hollywood, which has been going on for nearly five months now. and just minutes from now we

expect an update on the stunning ambush style murder of a sheriff's deputy in l.a. the deputy was doing nothing, just sitting in his car at a stop light when he was shot in the head. police say they have a person of interest in the case. we'll bring you that press conference when it begins. we begin following the fast moving developments out of a federal court in atlanta. donald trump's former assistant attorney general jeffrey clark is trying to succeed where his former chief of staff mark meadows so far has failed arguing to a judge that his case should be moved to federal court. clark's election interference charges are tied to allegations he told the former president the election was rigged even as other members of trump's inner circle laid out evidence that it wasn't. in a dramatic twist a surprising admission that could have serious legal implications down the line. trump telling "meet the press" moderator kristen welker, he's the one who made the final decision to act.

>> most senior lawyers in your own administration and on your campaign told you that after you lost more than 60 legal challenges that it was over. why did you ignore them and decide to listen to a new, outside group? >> because i didn't respect them. >> you hired them. >> yeah but that doesn't mean -- you hire them. you never met these people. you get a recommendation they turn out to be rinos or not so good. in many cases i didn't respect them but i did respect others. i respected many others that said the election was rigged. >> you called some of your outside lawyers. you said they had crazy theories. why were you listening to them? were you listening because they were telling you what you wanted to hear? >> you know who i listened to? myself. i saw what happened. i watched that election and i thought the election was over at 10:00 in the evening. >> you were listening to your instincts. >> my instincts are a big part of it. that's the thing that's gotten me to where i am my instincts. but i also listened to people. >> were you calling the shots though mr. president ultimately? >> as to whether or not i believed it was rigged?

oh, sure. >> okay. >> it was my decision. >> i want to bring in nbc's katie phang at the fulton county courthouse and our msnbc legal analyst joining me here in new york and matthew dowd former chief strategist for president george w. bush's 2004 campaign as well as an msnbc senior political contributor and analyst. great to have all of you here. i know you just literally ran out of that courtroom. i think the hearing went longer than we thought it might. what happened? >> jeffrey clark himself did not appear and it turned out to be a bad idea because at the end of the day clark's defense just got up and argued to the court. they attempted to enter it into evidence. jeffrey clark's declaration as well as that of former attorney general edwin meese. the judge saying, no, to the admission of jeffrey clark's declaration and after wavering deciding at the last minute i will allow edwin meese's

declaration in however i'll only give it the weight it is due. the reason why this hearing took a little longer was the state also put on a sole witness to combat and refute any type of allegations by jeffrey clark that when he acted as assistant attorney general, when he drafted that letter that was supposed to be sent to all of the fake elector states including the state of georgia, jody hunt, former assistant attorney general in the civil division which is the division jeffrey clark served in, testified under oath today that absolutely not. any involvement in any type of allegations of election irregularities or fraud had nothing to do with anyone's job within the civil division. that was particularly damning for jeffrey clark because he is saying i did this because president trump told me to do it. notably, president trump's lawyers, his criminal keefs attorneys here in atlanta, his defense attorneys here in atlanta were sitting in court listening to this. you have to imagine, chris, they got a little nervous.

hearing jeffrey clark say president trump had the authority imbued within him to be able to tell me what to do and i did what president trump told me to do. possibly setting up a defense for jeffrey clark substantively in his criminal prosecution that anything that he did was at the direction of donald trump. so at the end of the day judge jones saying i'm not going to rule right now. i'm not going to give you a date and time by which i am going to rule but be on the lookout for a ruling. i predict right now jeffrey clark will be denied his attempts to remove to federal court. >> thank you for that. paul, is there anything in his arguments different from mark meadows that make you think one way or another he has a better or worse chance or equal? >> it's a different argument but equally bad. he has to persuade the judge he was doing his government job. the problem with that defense is that he -- his work as acting director of the civil division has nothing to do with elections

and he was told that at the time by his bosses including the acting attorney general and the acting deputy attorney general. >> all right. so that brings me back to what donald trump said. it was my decision. the big lie, he owned it was my decision. does that undermine his defense? >> it certainly undermines any effective sense oh, i was listening to my lawyers, taking their advice. it undermines that defense. basically what he told our colleague kristen welker is that he looks around for lawyers and when lawyers tell him stuff that he doesn't like or doesn't agree with then he waits until he finds a lawyer who tells him something that he does agree with. that is why if i were the special counsel or one of these prosecutors going after donald trump, i understand why they want gag orders. they want to shut him up because of legitimate concerns about his threats undermining the

integrity of the process and getting people in physical jeopardy, potential witnesses for example. on the other hand every time he goes on tv and gives an interview he gives prosecutors more evidence to convict him. you can bet that every one of the four prosecutors who is going after trump is taking notes every time he goes on tv and they'll use that against him at trial. >> matthew, what did you take away from that clip? is it just trump's need to be seen as the ultimate decider? that's paramount even if it is not in his best interests legally? i can't believe his lawyers are not saying that to him. >> well, what i take away is it sort of underlined his basic narcissism, which is he has to be at the center of everything. he thinks he is the smartest person in any room that he happens to be in. he is smarter than the lawyers. even if saying that things could possibly get him into trouble his narcissism and ego gets in the way of it. donald trump has operated for four decades where he has

ultimately never been held accountable for anything he has done. you combine that with this huge ego that always has to be right, combined with the idea of i think deep down he feels like i've never been held accountable. i'll never be held accountable so i can say and do whatever i like which is what he demonstrated, he demonstrated as president and in the aftermath of his presidency. i think it is totally that combination of narcissism and lack of accountability in his life leads him to say those kinds of things in the interview. >> let's move to d.c. special counsel jack smith is asking for judge chutkan to ask for a narrow gag order and paul touched on it briefly. explain exactly what that means in this context. >> this was kind of an inevitable move by special counsel jack smith. there has been a litany and flurry of social media posts by former president donald trump criticizing, harassing, somewhat intimidating not only the witnesses, the prosecutors, as well as the potential jury pool from which special counsel jack

smith may pull a jury that is going to be a jury trial of his peers who will sit in judgment of him. because of that special counsel jack smith asking judge chutkan to enter an order that narrowly limits donald trump's ability to not only identify but speak about the witnesses and the counsel and the parties involved in this. now of course we don't have this happen often where you have a person running for president of the united states, presidential candidate, who is also looking at multiple indictments, and so there is this argument we are not only going to hear from his lawyers, chris, he is just exercising his free speech. his first amendment right to be able to do this. no. you are not allowed to threaten, intimidate, harass, witnesses, attorneys, members of the bench including the judge as well as members of the potential jury pool. if you recall, when the initial kind of meetings were happening and the hearings were happening in court judge chutkan warned donald trump if this stuff happens that she would hasten, speed up the trial date. so there could be a couple

variations that could happen here but i wouldn't be surprised to see she not only enters this narrowly tailored order but also hastens and accelerates the trial date. >> paul, this came out on friday. and you are not allowed to threaten, intimidate, harass. but after that let's take a listen to what donald trump had to say. >> did you see that de ranged jack smith today, the prosecutor, he is a deranged person. jack smith. sounds so nice doesn't it? he is a deranged individual and he wants to take away my first amendment rights. it's a fake charge by this deranged lunatic prosecutor who lost in the supreme court 9-0 and tried to destroy lots of lives. he's a lunatic. >> deranged lunatic. is that crossing a legal line though? >> of course it is. the question is what is judge chutkan going to do about it? she has not issued the gag order. it's pending before her.

i agree she is likely to do something. trump will violate that order and then the question is what does the judge do then? she's got the option of locking him up, holding him in contempt, imagine the firestorm that would create. she could also fine him for example $10,000 every time he violates. $20,000 the next time. she said during the arrangement that she would move up the trial if he acted the way that he usually acts with the threats and stuff. but now the trial is set for march 2024. not a lot of room to move it up even if she wanted to. >> matthew, do you foresee any realistic legal punishment that would stop donald trump from saying whatever he wants? there is a clear political upside to talking about smith and others and any fundraising off of it. he gets the crowds riled up and arguably any punishment would just feed into that. what do you think? >> first, any time donald trump calls somebody a de ranged lunatic i think about the idea

al capone would call somebody else a criminal. the guy is by prima facie a deranged lunatic himself which is the ultimate projection in the course of this. the other part of this is i think donald trump just, again, had such success at name calling, he did it with jeb bush, marco rubio, chris christie, he does it with a number of women moderators or anchors. he does it -- he has basically done this his entire public life. he is just continuing that. until he is given more than a slap on the wrist or a suggestion on what not to do he is not going to behave himself. so a time-out will not work. he'll have to get something better, some level of justice beyond just the mere slap on the wrist. >> we are watching for that decision from judge chutkan. you have to have your running shoes on when you do your job. thank you for getting out to the camera for us. paul butler, matthew dowd, you're going to stay with me. day four on the picket lines

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it follows drew barrymore and two other prominent daytime talk shows that have now chosen to do the same. this just in as well. two sources familiar with the hollywood strike negotiations tell nbc news that the talks between the wga and alliance of motion picture and television producers are going to resume on wednesday. joining me now, nbc's maggie vespa in wayne, michigan. back with us, matthew dowd chief strategist for bush-cheney 2004, and an msnbc political contributor. maggie, what is happening there right now? where do negotiations stand today? >> reporter: first and foremost you can see the picketers, the workers back out on the picket line day four. you'll hear throughout the segment honking as drivers go by. the strength of the union does not seem to be waning nor does public support. here comes the honking as we speak. we've seen a hockey team showing up with signs on hockey sticks. we have a guy dressed as where is waldo on the picket line so people doing what they can to

get eyes on this. you talked about the negotiations and stellantis offer over the weekend a 21% pay bump uaw's president calling it a no go the union demanding a 40% pay raise with a number of other demands, big three, a number again, separate contract talks with each of the three companies, but shawn fain summed it up this morning on "morning joe" saying as a whole, they have, quote, a long way to go. here is more of what he had to say. >> they're going to have to address ending tiers, the pay rates, cost of living allowance. the majority of our workers now do not have any retirement security. that is a big issue. then you have our retirees you know and there are several issues to move on still. so job security issues. this transition to ev. there's a lot of concern with this. there are a lot of things that need to be worked out. >> reporter: you see the list of

demands there. shawn fain has been repeatedly asked especially when asked about next steps and the stalemate situation they seem to be in how the union might ramp up pressure against the big three. he has been asked a number of times because as you know this is a targeted strike, three plants in three states across the country. if workers might walk off the job at more plants in the coming days he has stayed away from answering a hard yes or no to that question essentially answering in the realm of we'll do what we have to do. chris? >> all right. matthew, uaw president shawn fain also said that his union's endorsement has to be earned by the president who of course has the nickname union joe. on truth social donald trump said, the united auto workers are being sold down the drain with this all electric car scam. he also said he would make auto workers victorious and rich. are we seeing though at least in terms of political power, we were talking five, six, whatever years ago that, you know, the unions were no longer very

significant. have we seen a turning point? >> chris, i think that is a really good point, because listen, the tension in our country since its inception has been between individual power and the common good and community. at times individual power rises as it does in capitalism at times and in the course of the constitution and then at other times community action, collective action rises. so the rise of the unions came at a time where worker safety was a problem, hours were a problem. young kids working in the industry, wages were a problem. it grew and the middle class of the country grew. then it waned as the individual power of the country. we are once again seeing a rise in collective action, community action. you are not only seeing it in the auto industry which i have to say my father, i debris up in detroit, i grew up in detroit and my father worked in the auto industry for 40 years. you are seeing a rise in union strength, increasing numbers of unions, union members in 2022

has risen for the first time in decades. you are seeing it in starbucks, the writers strike. so we are at a moment in time in american history where the collective action and the common good are now rising again. and to meet the huge, disruptive need we have in the country >> i wonder to what extent you think what we're seeing which is the turn-around, the tearful turn-around by drew barrymore, two other talk shows very quickly follow her then bill maher follows her. is that an indication of strength? is that an indication the unions, and frankly its members, speak to what those folks at least believe is the larger good, that their audience wouldn't like it if they are seeing hosts on social media calling them scabs? >> yeah. i think it is a combination of that which is sort of the idea larger forces in society are bigger than the common person in society and so how do you

confront that? by collective action. it is happening across every single industry. the auto industry as perfect example. in the last years while the uaw had this contract their wages went up 6%. average pay of the ceos went up 40% and the auto companies made a hundred billion dollars in those years and those three executives of the companies while their wages went up 40% now make a collective -- made a collective $75 million a year. so there is a great sense of economic inequality driven by the larger forces in the world and average people, people are saying we can't do this on our own. we have to bind together. that is once again what you are seeing in american society. >> i wonder how much it will resonate. all of these could be settled. we hope they would all be settled by 2024.

i wonder what you think of the political power of unions. three of the six states we generally accept are going to decide who becomes the next president, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. those are traditional union states. >> it is definitely going to have a huge impact. one, there are thousands of members. their families, their relatives. all of the sort of smaller companies dependent upon the auto manufacturers in that. it is still a dominant industry of our country and also sort of iconic in our country. if you stand behind the auto workers, if you stand behind them, inights ainst ceos that are making $25 million, $27 million a year in pay while they're just asking for a 10% wage or 6% wage increase per year i don't think it is any question what side to be on in erican politics. so yes. it is definitely going to he a huge impact and i think this is going to grow, this rise of unions a collective action is

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we just got this in from qatar that the plane carrying the five americans released from iran that had stopped there, they've now left. they are on their way to washington, d.c., all five of them and a couple family members. this release after two long years of complex diplomatic negotiations, for some families what seemed like an unimaginable outcome, they had a reunion ending those years of complex diplomatic negotiations. this is the moment the five americans who were wrongfully imprisoned in iran finally arrived in qatar. they are now on a plane as we said heading to the u.s. a senior u.s. diplomat tells nbc news those americans we know exchanged for five iranians jailed in the u.s. and the release of $6 billion in frozen assets. several prominent republicans

are denouncing the deal as a ransom payment. secretary of state antony blinken, however, spoke to the human impact, which he says is easy to forget in the abstractions of foreign policy. >> husbands and wives, fathers and children, grandparents, can hug each other again, can see each other again. can be with each other again. so it's a day that i'm grateful for. >> nbc news' tehran bureau chief joins me now. we know where the americans are. what is the word from iran and the controversy that still lingers about the release of the $6 billion? >> reporter: the iranians are obviously very happy about this. they've gotten $6 billion which they didn't have to spend before at a time of great economic hardship. the economy is in terrible shape

here. they also got back five iranian prisoners being held in u.s. jails for nonviolent crimes but were helping the government here circumvent u.s. sanctions that had been imposed for various things including iran's nuclear program. you can understand why there is some criticism in the united states from republicans saying essentially a ransom had been paid for these five iranian americans that had been released and this will only encourage the iranians to take more hostages because it is such a lucrative trade for them. they also argue that it endangers u.s. troops in the region, u.s. contractors in the region, because they could become a target for the iranians. it also gives them a lot of money in their accounts which they feel they shouldn't have. the u.s. is arguing that those funds that were held by korea and now are in a qatari bank will be under very strict oversight by the treasury

department. iranians deny that and in an exclusive interview with lester holt the president of iran said that is not the case. we'll spend the money however we want. there is obviously a gulf between the u.s. and iran on how the money is going to be spent. even if there is a lot of oversight from the treasury department it still frees up about $6 billion for the iranians to spend on whatever they want here which they didn't have access to. at the end of the day as secretary blinken said this was a human issue and there's going to be enormous joy and relief for those five u.s. citizens heading back home. >> thank you for that. well, beyond iran there is afghanistan. item one on a crowded agenda for what is known in diplomatic circles as the annual meeting of the united nations general assembly. president biden is already here in new york. the leaders of four of the five countries that hold permanent seats on the u.n. security council are expected to skip the

event. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will attend in person. he'll make the case for ongoing support for his troops before heading to the white house for a meeting with president biden. and then a high stakes visit to capitol hill. here with me now nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli. if the president is here you can't be far behind. >> that's right. >> good to have you in person. what are his priorities going into this? >> this is the third time of course president biden will be addressing the u.n. general assembly. this is always an important opportunity for any american president to really speak to american values, speak to his priorities as it relates to the world stage. after three very busy years on the foreign stage in office the president is going to make that statement today with concrete deliverables. things he thinks he has been really able to accomplish because of what he has focused on, talking about the need for democracies to work together, combat the rise of authoritarianism countries like russia and china. both of those countries absent this week.

i've just unpacked my bag from india of course the g20 summit last week before coming here and white house officials saying he wants to build on some of the progress made there talking about aid to the developing world, climate action, infrastructure development throughout the world. that is going to be a big part of what we hear tomorrow from the president. then of course ukraine continues to be the number one world challenge and the white house unlike india when of course president zelenskyy was not in attendance there was some criticism the statement out of the g20 was not as strong condemning russia as they would have liked to have seen. you'll see what the white house says is zelenskyy making the strongest case possible that he is the -- it is critical he is not just speaking here in new york but as critically going to washington where funding is a major issue as we count down to a potential government shutdown at the end of the month. >> we will see you from the u.n. you can't get anywhere in midtown. the traffic is unbearable.

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so just getting under way at the sheriff's office in l.a. county, where a person of interest has been detained in the ambush style killing of a deputy. our nbc news affiliate team on the ground reports that this surveillance video is a focus of the investigation and shows a car pulling alongside the patrol car before speeding away. the motive and intended target remain unclear, but 30-year-old deputy ryan clinkunboomer was found unconscious inside his patrol car with a gunshot wound to the head and died at the hospital just four days after getting engaged. his colleagues numb with grief over the senseless loss lined up to give his flag-draped coffin a

tearful salute. let's listen in to the press conference. >> the sheriff's department is -- yesterday after 4:00 p.m. we had a press conference at that time. many of you were here. community members came forward with information which led homicide detectives to identify the suspect and the vehicle used in the murder of deputy clinkunboomer. early this morning our special enforcement bureau served a warrant at the suspect's residence located in the 37 600,000 block here in the city of palmdale. during that operation deputies surrounded the residence and called out all the occupants of that residence. eventually family members did come out.

the suspect chose to barricade himself and refused to initially come out. he barricaded himself for several hours. our special enforcement deputies, basically our s.w.a.t. team, were out there for several hours trying to de-escalate the situation, using different techniques including hostage negotiators. eventually, they were -- they deployed chemical agents and the suspect ultimately surrendered. i want to take a pause for a second when i talk about how proud i am of this department after a significant tragedy we've shared with all of you, because those special enforcement deputies took the time to try to de-escalate this and take this individual

peacefully into custody when they knew that our deputy was not afforded the same opportunity. he never gave our deputy a chance. but yet our men and women gave this individual a chance to take him into custody peacefully. that is the difference between professionals and individuals out there who are targeting not only community members but more importantly law enforcement out on the street. investigators recovered numerous firearms and the vehicle of interest depicted in the flyer we put out yesterday at our press conference. i want to stress that our investigators are still actively working this case. there is more information we probably don't know at this time. every piece of evidence, everything we have will be analyzed. i do want to stress to our

community that although we are extremely confident we have the right person in custody i am still asking people to come forward and give us any piece of information that they believe they have. why? because the arrest is only one part of this. we have to get this individual prosecuted now to the full extent of the law and we need the public's continued help and support in doing that. the suspect was arrested and transported here to the palmdale sheriff's department pending further investigation. the suspect has been identified as 29-year-old kevin gatiano salazar of palmdale. i would also like to emphasize that ryan's partners, the deputies that served this community here out of the palmdale sheriff's station were

involved in this investigation leading to the arrest of the suspect and we believe at this time there are no other suspects involved in this incident. homicide investigators will be presenting this case to the los angeles county district attorney's office for their filing consideration. i have personally spoken to the district attorney this morning, and he assures me that they will aggressively pursue this case based on the factors that you know of today. i want to take a second to thank our community members here in palmdale. you have been with us from the very beginning and honestly based on our pleas yesterday we wouldn't be here today announcing the arrest if it wasn't for courageous community

members who came forward and were so offended by what happened they had to do something about it. i thank them. i thank them. the entire antelope valley community assistance played an instrumental role in gleaning information leading to the identification of this suspect and we are, again, extremely grateful. but here is the thing. the arrest, the work that still needs to be done for the prosecution is only part of this. i ask all of you, specifically out here in the antelope valley, to continue to support our deputies here at the palmdale station, lancaster station right next door, and really all of law enforcement. i think this taught a lot of people a lot of valuable lessons. for our deputy left this station in uniform to serve.

he was shot and killed. why? we don't know yet. but we intend to find out. at the end of the day, he was in a marked black and white right here in front of the station and evidence murdered, ambushed by a coward. our officers, our deputies go out and serve this community every day putting their lives on the line, so we have a lot to be thankful for that we have men and women who volunteer to do this and families who kiss them good-bye and just pray that they come back home. and in this case, ryan's family will never see him again. excuse me. i want to thank our homicide investigators who worked tirelessly to coordinate many

detective division team members throughout the duration of this investigation. we told you all, we left nothing on the shelf. all of our resources were entirely committed for this investigation, and as i said it earlier, 36 hours later with the help of our community and in collaboration with our community, we have the person we believe is responsible for the tragic murder of ryan. i also want to thank the city of palmdale, the city of lancaster, supervisor katherine barjer, who has been with us from the very beginning and as you know offered significant amount of the reward along with our officials from palmdale. like i said yesterday we had many others offering rewards. it was a $250,000 a, a quarter million dollars that tells you

how much love, respect, and support we have in our community for our deputies. and we had thousands coming in and in reserve ready to roll that out if we needed to. i also want to thank alads and the president who is going to be speaking today for their support from the very beginning and every local, state, and federal partner who called and offered their assistance. the director wray just called me before coming up here and the governor, attorney general. it just goes on and on. i know there are many people standing behind me but i want to acknowledge the fbi assistant director don elway from the fbi who has been supportive from the very beginning. i am going to next read a statement from the family. and after that i'll turn it over to the other speakers and then i will come back up to answer any

questions that you may have. before i start reading this statement, though, i want to emphasize to our partners in the media, you are partners. we wouldn't be here announcing this arrest if it wasn't for your assistance. but i respectfully ask that you give the family privacy. they have asked for it. we have had people trying to contact them at home. they need privacy. they need time to grieve. and they are grieving. this is a statement from the family. our son ryan was a dedicated, hard working, deputy sheriff who enjoyed working here at the palmdale station. he was proud to work along the side of his partners that he considered brothers and sisters as he sacrificed daily to better the community that he served. ryan made the ultimate sacrifice

in doing so. ryan was recent kwlin gauged to the love of his life. as our first born son ryan will be greatly missed by his family, friends, and the sheriff's department as a whole. please keep ryan's family, friends, and colleagues in your prayers and respect everyone's privacy during our time of mourning. thank you from the bottom of my heart. the clinkunboomer family. thank you very much. with that i'm going to turn it over to the next speaker, our supervisor, who i thank a whole lot for her support. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, sheriff luna. what i will say is what a difference a day makes. first off, i want to congratulate the sheriff's department. they have themselves a

suspect. 29-year-old kevin salazar. the suspect in the ambush style murder of a 30-year-old sheriff's deputy in palmdale, california. the sheriff there describing a pretty dramatic scene. they went to his house. they surrounded it. the family came out. but then there was a stand off that went on for hoursstandoff on for hours with the police who were outside, and finally, they deployed a chemical agent and they were able to take him into custody with no one being hurt. i want to bring in paul butler, former federal prosecutor, georgetown school of law professor and msnbc legal analyst. we don't know a motive here yet, but it all started that community members came forward and just listening to the sheriff, that may continue to be a key part of this going forward in their investigation. >> so now, the goal is to find the right person, make sure that this is the shooter, that he can be convict in criminal court and make sure there are no ongoing threats to officers' safety.

the way they determine that is by asking questions about motive. they can learn about motive if the suspect makes the statement to the officer. they certainly want him to talk. he has a constitutional right not to, also talking to people in his family. even before the suspect was apprehended, the sheriff's office said the shooting was targeted. does that mean he was targeted because he was a police officer or was there something specific about this deputy officer, maybe a disgruntled arrestee, someone in his personal life, so all of that is part of this investigation! if it's that, that would be pretty easy to find, i would think. it's a simple computer search to see if he ever stopped this guy, right? >> yes. >> let's talk about the fact of community members coming forward. look, he acknowledged there was a quarter of a million dollar reward. that can be a pretty strong motivator, even if you're nervous about coming forward, but what more besides a possible

motive could the public bring to this. somebody saw something. what else are they looking for from the public? >> evidence. this happened in broad daylight. >> and in a well populated area. so what did people see. this is a police department that has had some trouble, and there have been some issues with the community. but this was an example of excellent police work, a very emotional case. the suspect was apparently taken in without being harmed. so this could be the beginning of a better relationship between the community and the sheriff's department. this is a tragedy that the whole community is rightly very upset about. so, again, an opening for an improved relationship based on this tragedy. >> yeah, palmdale is a city that, after investigation was found to have used excessive force by policing practices, unlawful searches and seizures. there was a lot of tension, as you point out, between law enforcement and the community.

how do they build on something like this? i mean, you always like to think that something positive can come out of a tragedy, right. is there a way to make this mean something? >> so the police department, we know they know how to take in a suspect. apparently without violence and without taking his life or harming him in some way. so, again, that's a way forward. the dedication that they appropriately show to apprehending this suspect, they've got to do that in every other case, and now they know, if they had any doubt, now they know that they have the support of the community when they are fulfilling their responsibilities appropriately. >> and when you're building a case like this, and we showed that very brief video that, you know, you could see a car coming up to another car -- thank you, our control room is right on top of this, but the amount of video that's available these days, and

even sometimes just what may have looked like some sort of stop, right, who knows in there's somebody out there who had their camera and was filming it or not. modern technology has changed the game. >> just in the last ten years, now almost every public place has some kind of camera in it. if it's a neighborhood community surveillance camera, security work or cameras that officers put up, so a lot of stuff that happens now is on video. a problem sometimes for prosecutors is that now jurors almost expect that stuff will be on video. it's called the csi effect. so in some ways it raises the bar for what prosecutors approve. in this case, it shouldn't be an issue because apparently they've got it on video tape. >> paul butler, we're going to listen in to that press conference, and if they give us more information that's significant, maybe a motive, we will have that for you, and continue to monitor this breaking story. thank you so much, paul,

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reports," including the president's east son is suing. hunter biden taking aim at two whistleblowers, accusing them of making private information public. the long trip home, five americans held prisoner for years free at last, the emotional reunions and the political fallout. back to the negotiating table, united auto workers turned down an offer to end the strike now in day four against the big three auto makers. plus, one of the key players in donald trump's alleged plot to overturn the election, making a new move in georgia. the high stakes as jeffrey clark tries to move his case to federal court. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with that new development in the hunter biden saga as the president's son sues irs. nbc's ryan nobles joins us now from washington. what more can you tell us about this, ryan? >> reporter: under any circumstance, chris, this is an effort by hunter biden