or won't have to face any repercussions for the providers, but they do say that they're following the legal rules as they best can interpretation them for now. but flat out abortion is now available again for people in wisconsin, chris. >> maura barrett, thank you. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. former doj official jeffrey clark has made his case, arguing the fulton county charges against him should be moved to federal court. the judge had thoughts and we had someone inside the courtroom. katie phang joins us in a moment to explain what she heard and why it was likely a bad idea that clark didn't show up in person. we are waiting for news out of d.c.

judge tanya chutkan will be ruling whether to impose a gag order on the former president of the united states. special counsel jack smith's team says it's necessary because donald trump just won't stop saying quote the defendant's relentless public posts marshaling anger and mistrust in the justice system, the court and prosecutors have already influenced the public. the specific post smith is referring to in a moment, but let us start on the ground in georgia. joining us now as promised from atlanta, nbc news legal contributor, and msnbc anchor, katie phang, msnbc legal analyst, and former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade joins us, along with msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, a lot of smart people starting us off. katie, you were inside the courtroom, the judge had thoughts about jeffrey clark's request. walk me through what he said and what you take from it?

>> so we were all waiting to see if jeffrey clark was going to show up. alas, he did not, and was failing to show up. he did his case a wrong because the judge, hearing from the state of georgia, when closing arguments were made that there was no evidence presented by jeff clark to justify and support his attempts to remove his case from state court to federal court. and that's really important. because in this context, when you're trying to go from state court to federal court, the burden is on the defendant. today was an evidentiary hearing, the emphasis on the word evidentiary. in the absence of evidence, the judge asking the lawyer for jeff clark some questions. at the end of the day, only hearing from one witness, and that was on behalf of the state of georgia, that was former assistant attorney general jody hunt. his name sound familiar to some of our viewers. that's because he represented cassidy hutchinson when she got her own attorney and testified in front of the january 6th committee. jody hunt no longer a part of

the doj but advising the court under oath on behalf of the state of georgia that when you're working in the capacity of the civil division at the doj, dealing with issues involving allegations of election irregularities or voter fraud, that is certainly not within the purview of the civil division at the doj, thereby cementing the idea that the state of georgia, bringing the indictment of jeff clark is standing on solid ground and the case should be if state court because jeff clark had no business meddling in what was happening in georgia. jeff clark's lawyer getting up today and telling the court, one, that jeff clark, yeah, he only wrote a memo or wrote a letter that he tried to get jeff rosen and richard donoghue who were the leadership at the doj at the time to sign, but that really at the end of the day, because the letter never made it out for public consumption, he was serving at the behest of donald trump. when asked pointedly by the

federal judge in this case, what is your theory of the case, saying president trump told my client, jeff clark that he was allowed to do what he needed to do, and he had to do what he needed to do. with that information, the state of georgia got up and said, in the absence of evidence, judge, they haven't carried their burden and you should not allow removal to federal court. >> i have a whole host of questions from everything you told me, but let me start with this one, if jeffrey clark was there, what good would that have done? >> reporter: it's the burden on the defense. even though you you're not obligated to take the stand, especially as a criminal defendant, the law requires that the defendant basically carry his or her burden by presenting candid, detailed and very specific information as to whether or not their subject ich belief, when they were accused of the wrongful conduct, if they were accused of doing it as their duty as a federal officer. maybe it's not in dispute that jeff clark was a federal officer at the time of the indictment,

was it reasonable, objectively reasonable for him to think that preparing this letter and trying to basically overthrow the regime in the doj made sense. and of course the evidence was resounding from the state of georgia that he, as in jeff clark, was told immediately by jeff rosen and richard donoghue, the facts that you're putting in this letter are lies. there is no evidence of widespread fraud. and we're not going to put our signatures on this letter, telling jeff clark immediately, you're wrong, but clark kept on pushing and pushing and pushing, and as you know, trump promised to make him the act the attorney general. >> there was colorful language that came out of that, we saw that surrounding the january 6th hearings. let me ask you, just pretend i know nothing about anything, why is it so bad to write a memo, if that memo never gets sent. why is it so bad for someone like jeffrey clark to hand the president a memo that he asks for. >> it's not a memo, it's a

letter, and he proposed go out under the signature of the attorney general, the deputy attorney general, and himself acting as the assistant attorney general for the civil division but more importantly, as katie was referring to, the letter has a number of statements that are either demonstrably false or antithetical to law. include the fact that according to the department of justice, there were competing legitimate slates of electors in georgia and other states and that the department of justice was recommending to the state legislature in georgia that they convene a special session, essentially to put off and/or replace the electors that they had already chosen. why? because the election litigation that was moving through georgia at that time was moving way too slowly for trump and jeff clark, and their allies' liking. >> he wrote the letter, it was never sent, though. the fact that it was never sent, does that not help him at all? >> it really doesn't, katy, and this is why. the whole reason that the

president proposed replacing then attorney general jeff rosen with jeff clark was this letter. this letter was key to what was their strategy to overturn the election at that point in time in late december, very early january. >> does this all hinge on the fact that she's using the rico statute, they're all part of a conspiracy? would this be brought separate from the rest of these charges or is it because all of these things were happening together at the same time to further what the prosecution said was the main goal, when was overturning the election? you know, i don't have the georgia indictment in front of me. it's quite a piece of work in terms of volume and number of counts. but jeff clark isn't only face ago rico count. he's also facing a count for false statements, and the false statements that fani willis and her team are alleging jeff clark made are the ones contained in this letter. it says that there are significant concerns that have impacted the outcome of the election, in multiple states including georgia. it says that the department believe that georgia and other

states have legitimately elected multiple slates of electors, and putting the department's thumb on the scale and a province that's not it. let's go back to the ruling with respect to mark meadows, he says the executive has no role to play in federal elections. congress has a role to play, and so do states. but there's no room for the executive branch to put its thumb on the scale here. that's what jeff clark was doing. even had he been the attorney general, this would have been an unlawful act. >> and judge jones resoundingly rejected meadows' efforts to move this case to federal court. which does not bode well for anybody in this case, maybe not even donald trump. let me ask you, joyce, about -- barb, not joist, barb, the fact that donald trump's lawyers were in the courtroom as katie phang has reported, listening to jeffrey clark's lawyers make this argument that he was doing all of this at the direction of

donald trump? >> yeah, i think it's very interesting. you know, it's not uncommon for codefendants' lawyers to sit in when hearings are occurring against the other defendants. they don't want to miss any other dynamics that were heard in the courtroom to be important to their client's case. it's interesting that people are beginning to point the finger at donald trump as the ring leader here. one, he is the most culpable face on the allegations in the indictment. at some point it will be interesting to hear whether they turn on him. the only reason i did this is because he ordered me to. following illegal orders is itself, illegal, but sometimes you will hear defendants say that, and when the person is the president of the united states, i suppose that might carry some weight among members of the jury, but it could also spell some legal trouble for donald trump. if he tries to use a defense of i didn't know what i was doing. i was just following legal advice.

i didn't have anything to do with it. all of these other people were acting. i was busy serving as the president. i think to the extent that people are saying, oh, no, he told me to do this, that could be adversely his defense, and i'm sure his lawyers were in the courtroom taking note of that. >> the only two trials that have been scheduled are for kenneth chesebro, and sidney powell, still for october 23rd. judge mcafee has directed the jury clerk to send out 900 subpoenas for potential jurors. 900. so that's going to be a mountain of people to go through to get that trial started. let me ask you, barb, about the federal stuff and jack smith and this request by his team to impose a narrow gag order on donald trump. they're citing in their filing a number of truth social posts, and they're specifically talking about one of their own prosecutors jay brat. this idea that's out there that donald trump has been helping to spread that jay brat was having back door, secret meetings at the white house.

in their filing, they say this, the special counsel says this, the defendant's objective in spreading a knowing lie to the contrary, include big reposting others truth social posts, naming the prosecutor and repeating the lie is an attempt to prejudice the public and veneer in advance of trial. what they're saying is jay bratton was going there to conduct a routine interview of somebody that he was overseeing as part of his regular duties as prosecutor at the time. this was not a back door thing. he was doing his job. this had nothing to do with his prosecution. what's the likelihood they're going to get a narrow gag order, barb. >> i think they have the likelihood. the devil will be in the details. i think the judge will be cognizant of the president's efforts to campaign for president. and the need for the public to hear from him about what he's charged with. on the other hand, her job is to exercise her duty to make sure

that everybody gets a fair trial, and that the public is not prejudiced or poisoned by some of the things that former president trump is saying. i think this one episode that you just cited and the most egregious. all of the other things, the name calling, the unfair, the smearing, all of that other stuff is bad enough. but it's kind of big and unspecific. this one is a deliberate lie. it is trying to suggest that the justice department has done something improper in connection with the biden white house on this case, when in fact, as you say, jay brat was there for the purpose of conducting an interview, doing his job, but they're deliberately conflating that. i think that would be the one that crosses the line here. i think the gag order is appropriate, i think the judge posed one, but i think it's going to be difficult for her to navigate that very narrow channel where she's preventing him from saying things by poisoning the jury pool, and does allow him to defend himself and run for president.

>> the prosecutor conducted a routine investigative interview at that official's duty station, which happened to be the white house. ladies, thank you very much for starting us off. i appreciate it. hunter biden is suing the irs in a lawsuit, actually right now he alleges agents violated department rules along with his privacy by disclosing details about his taxes and his conduct to the public claiming that, quote, irs agents have targeted and sought to embarrass him with an assault on his rights. joining us now is nbc news correspondent ryan nobles. thank you for being here with us. explain the lawsuit and the thing that hunter biden is saying the irs agents revealed that they weren't supposed to. >> katy, it is very strict, the rules associated with the release of public tax information, the tax information of every american is considered to be private, even those that are public officials. hunter biden is a private

citizen under any circumstance, and his attorneys are arguing that the information that has come out about his taxes specifically about the testimony of the irs whistleblower is a violation of those privacy rights. now, the two irs agents in this particular situation, gary shapley, and joe ziegler, they believe that they went through the proper channels to raise concerns about what they had seen throughout the course of their investigation into the accusations that biden neglected to pay his taxes on time. they believe he did it the right way. in a statement through gary shapley's attorneys, he says quote, neither the ssa, irs, gary shapley nor his attorneys have ever released any confidential taxpayer information, except through whistleblowers authorized by statute. this is in many ways, an effort by the hunter biden legal team to go on the offensive and paint him in this situation as being a victim of a political process here as opposed to being given a

fair legal acquitting by both the irs, the department of justice, and the united states congress. >> ryan noble, thank you very much. and coming up next, four days into the uaw strike, what role is the white house playing in the negotiations between the auto workers union and the big three auto makers? plus, house republicans release a bill to avert a government shutdown for another month. what's in it, and what chance if any does it have of passing the house or the senate? and five american prisoners held in iran are now free, and they're on the way back to the united states. what we know about the prisoner swap. nsc coordinator for strategic communications john kirby, joins me right here in this studio a little bit later in the hour. we're back in 60 seconds. e hour we're back in 60 seconds somethid just walk right past them. she didn't know they were talking to her. i just could not hear. i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair. but nobody even sees them. our nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we've been the brand leader

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respond to the members' demands then we have to do what we have to do. >> uaw president shawn fain says the union may have to get even tougher in the negotiations with the big three auto makers. everyone is back at the negotiating table today. so far the union has rejected multiple offers to end the strike leaving 13,000 auto workers on the picket line. the union argues record corporate profits should lay the groundwork for a record contract, including reduced hours, pension reform, and up to a 40% hourly pay raise for workers. general motors, ford, and stellantis don't deny the record profits and say they have offered historically generous counter offer, including five weeks of vacation, 17 paid holidays, bigger retirement contributions, cost of living salary adjustments, and smaller pay increases across the board. without a deal, the companies have begun telling hundreds of nonstriking workers to not report to work because they have

nothing to do. joining us now from wayne, michigan, is nbc news correspondent maggie vespa. so they are still not at a deal, these two sides. is there any wiggle room that we're seeing so far? anything where the auto companies are willing to relent? >> reporter: you know, katy, last week it was reported locally that uaw had brought their pay demands down from 40% to the mid-30s. it dropped about 5%. uaw president shawn fain reiterated they are demanding a 40% pay raise. we know as of last week, and these sort of numbers are being leaked incrementally, the big three are offered pay raises in the 20% range. stellantis offering 21% last week. shawn fain said in the beginning that was definitely a no go. so we haven't seen a lot of wiggle room in that key demand.

you see the numbers, the difference there. all of that in the low 20s ballpark at this point. and again, we're on day four of the strike. you see the workers back out on the picket line. just as many as they were on day one. you hear the support, you hear the honking as drivers go by here. we haven't heard, you know, any sort of like weakening strength on their side of it. and shawn fain, as you have been seeing has been doing interviews all throughout the day. he talked on "morning joe" and said they have a long way to go. he put bridging the gap on the backs of the big three. doesn't seem to be a lot of wiggle room. we are just four days in, and where this goes next is sort of anyone's guess at this point. >> thank you very much. joining us now "new york times" chief white house correspondent and nbc news political analyst, peter baker. good to have you. how was the white house dealing with this? i heard this they have been in contact with the big three, and the union. what are they doing? >> yeah, they've got their envoys on the ground. they've got their people trying to help bring people together. you heard from the president,

he's basically unclear whose side he's on. on the side of the workers. they deserve a share in the profits the companies have made over the years. he has given some acknowledgment to the company, made significant offers, and thinks they should do more. he obviously has been positioning himself forever as a pro union democrat. he does not have the support at the moment of the uaw in next year's election. he made clear his sympathies are on the side of the strikers. he has a consequence, significant damage to the economy, which is of course the most important issue for him. >> peter, this is in swing state territory, the blue wall that he rebuilt in 2020, do they see that at risk of being cracked or crumbling come 2024. if this strike is one that lasts for a while. >> yeah, absolutely, michigan is

a state he needs to win for sure along with wisconsin and pennsylvania in particular in the midwest. and he needs it also to reinforce, as scranton pa joe, the idea of a middle class president who understands where workers are coming from. he has increasingly talked about the need to support workers who don't necessarily have college degrees, who are working with their hands, he's talking about how manufacturing has begun to come back on his watch. all of that gets undercut if this strike goes on for a long time and has the ripple effects beyond just the car companies themselves, all the other businesses that rely on the car companies to maintain their own livelihoods. >> so this is happening, the president has been facing another barrage of bad news from an impeachment inquiry, to what's going on with hunter biden his son, and there are also just the questions about his age, and his fitness for office. there's new polling out that says donald trump and president biden are within a point of each

other in the 2024 match up. how is the white house internally talking about -- i know they want to get ahead of the age question by making light of it or by saying it's wisdom that comes with age, but this is a big thing for the american public, and i wonder if they feel like they're doing a good job of proving to voters that he's still with it. >> yeah, it's a good question, and it's a harder question, obviously it's the one thing they can't do that much about. they can't make them any younger. they argue that he has shown his vigor, and vitality every day. he got back from a five-day trip to vietnam or india. brutal hours, even for younger people like those of us following him on that trip. they like to show that his record, they say is that of a successful president. look at the legislation he's passed, look at the policies he's advanced. and try to say, look, even if you have doubts about him in terms of his age, he's better than the alternative. in the end, what they think, is

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house republicans have a short-term deal to avoid a government shutdown. it cuts spending on everything except defense, vets and homeland security. tightens would be asylum claims and hosts hard line immigration provisions and notably does not include any disaster relief or ukraine aid. if house republicans pass this, which by the way is a big if, it is dead on arrival in the senate. so what does the fractured house gop do after that? or do they do nothing at all? quote, it's crystal clear a government shutdown is coming. joining us now nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali.

that quote is from texas republican congressman tony gonzalez. is that also your sense of where things stand from your reporting? >> reporter: certainly right now it's coming and it's starting to look that way, but whether or not they can avert a shutdown crisis is really the question we're waiting to see if lawmakers can answer, katy, and certainly the majority of the republican conference does not want to shut down the government. there are a handful of hard liners who are absolutely fine with using that as a tactic to get lower government spending, and to enact their agenda. the fact that the border is such a key focus of this right now tentative deal between the main street caucus and house freedom caucus is a sign that they're trying to give conservative hard liners more of what they want, the border of course, one of the key focuses a lot of domestic spending is cut by 8% from the fiscal year prior. that is getting them closer to what they want to see. but it's also not clear if that's enough even as some

people who helped broker this deal in the first place say shutdowns are stupid. watch. >> well, shutdowns are stupid. i mean, the reality is we need to be responsible enough. we need to be big boys, big girls, let's roll up our sleeves, do our work, there is no joy. there is no victory in shutdowns. a shutdown is proof that congress refuses to do its job. >> reporter: so dusty johnson who helped broker the pact in the various parts of the conference, will see whether or not it holds, if it actually gets on the floor. right now, the plan is to do the defense spending bill which was stalled last week on wednesday, and then speaker mccarthy in the last few minutes is going to put the continuing resolution on the floor, and see whether they have the votes or not. >> it's unlikely they're not going to get the votes among democrats, and if they do, the senate and back to the house, the senate is not going to say

yes to this. my question is what happens to that, there's an appetite of hard line conservatives to shut down the government, if they do not get what they want. they're fine with that. >> yeah. do you know how long they will be fine with that for, and what might plan b, c, d or e be for kevin mccarthy? is there a point where he goes to democrats and says help bail me out of this, and do they say yes? >> reporter: maybe it's not as explicit. an act would be long talked about motion to vacate that some have long talked about, and some are eager to enact, but i think that this could go the way that we saw the debt ceiling deal go several months ago at the start of the summer. mccarthy has this opening deal that passes through his conservative conference. it then goes to the senate, it's dealt with with the white house. everyone comes together and comes to a more palatable bipartisan deal. that puts mccarthy in hot water with his own members, but it also allows them, in this case,

to keep the government open in the same way that it allowed them to avert a debt ceiling crisis back in may and june. that could be one way this goes. that's almost a rosy view, though, when you consider the fact that many hard line conservatives feel they were sold out during the debt deal and that's why they're holding so strong now. they want to use every piece of legislation they can, from holding the government to a shut down, and holding the job hostage if it means they can get what they want. it's spending, border focused, but it's also several other key provisions that they say mccarthy agreed to when they made him speaker in the first place back in january, now they feel he has reneged on, as much as it's about spending, it's about impeachment, and the border and a whole bunch of other stuff not directly related to spending either. it's hard to solve. >> ally vitale, thank you very much. what a judge in wisconsin ruled about an 1849 law. a big win for abortion rights activists. a big win for abortio

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it has been 15 months, but now planned parenthood of wisconsin has resumed abortion services. when roe v. wade was overturned last year, a gold rush era law that banned abortions went back into effect. but last month, a judge ruled that the 144-year-old law does not apply to medical abortions, writing there is, quote, no such

thing as an 1849 abortion ban. joining us now from milwaukee is nbc news correspondent maura barrett. so the language here, maura, is tricky. they say that this is not a consensual abortion, and i was curious what is a consensual abortion mean, and that is abortion sought out by a pregnant person with the help of a doctor, essentially, not just one done two one's self, which is feticide according to what i was reading. the judge ruled that abortions are not banned in wisconsin. they have started up again. what happens now? >> reporter: yeah, katy, it's a lot of hazy language that has been up to interpretation for more than a century, century and a half now, right, that's been this central point of argument on both sides of how people feel in terms of when it comes to abortion, and the immediate impact we're seeing is that people seeking out abortions here in milwaukee and in madison were able to make appointments and come and get the services

today, which like you said, is a new development, a very significant development here in wisconsin, and the thing is, that's really curious about this, and why it was kind of surprising is because litigation is still ongoing. a county judge had made this ruling in the face of a lawsuit about the interpretation of this law. but it's on its way to the state supreme court. now, i want you to hear from some of the protesters and people we met outside of the planned parenthood today. i spoke with talia, a new mother, she talked about the shock that she felt given that the law isn't officially overturned yet. >> it's shocking. i mean, especially with the fact that it's still illegal and that the law was not overturned, the 1849 statute, 94004 was not overturned. josh call's lawsuit was sent forward into the courts and i think it's bold of planned parenthood to open that next monday and decide they're going to be providing abortions, especially in our community where it's not tolerated, it's not wanted. you can just tell by the turnout here of youth today.

>> reporter: now, i do want to take a look at a realistic sense of polling based on what she was saying. there is a slim majority of people who support the right to abortion being legal. this is something planned parenthood feels more empowered by given that they're still in active litigation. the key thing here is we can see as a blueprint in other battleground states and how people decide to focus their campaigns leading up to 2024, but the state supreme court is now newly a liberal majority, and that is why planned parenthood felt so confident their their providers would not prosecuted and they could execute these abortions and practice these abortions safely going forward, and felt very firm about their decision to bring that back to wisconsin today. >> newly liberal, and republicans are trying to get the just confirmed justice, the liberal one ousted, trying to get they are off the bench. >> reporter: it never ends. >> thank you very much. after a historic ten-day trial

detailing allegations of bribery and unfitness for office brought by republicans in the texas state house, attorney general ken paxton is officially back on the job. paxton was acquitted of 16 articles of impeachment by state senators on saturday. four others were dismissed. only two republicans broke ranks to join the democrats falling short of the 21 votes required for conviction. paxton who was reinstated immediately after a three-month suspension attended just two days of the trial and was not present for the verdict. in a statement issued not long after senators adjourned, he said, the truth prevailed. iran's president says his country will spend the $6 billion released in today's prisoner swap quote, wherever we need it, how the u.s. will ensure that money is being used for what it is earmarked for.

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ones who were wrongfully imprisoned in iran for years are now on their way home as part of a prisoner exchange. the deal to get them back here is being heavily criticized, especially among republicans on capitol hill. they argue that allowing iran to access $6 billion in previously blocked oil revenue will only help fund iran's terrorism and nuclear program. they point to the iranian president's own words when he told lester holt last week that the money is iran, and iran will spend it as it sees fit. joining us now is national security counsel coordinator for strategic communications, john kirby, who sprinted all the way over here from the u.n. on the busiest day here in new york city. thank you so much for getting over here. we appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> i want to get your response to the criticism, but i do first need to ask about how they're doing. i know the americans flew from iran to qatar, they had a doctor's checkup, and they're on their way back here. can you tell us how that checkup went? >> as far as we know, they're all in relatively good health. it was a quick experience, so i

think what we want to make sure is when they get back to the united states, and they are in the air now coming back to the states that they get additional access, not just to physical health care, but mental health care, they have been through an incredible ordeal. we want to make sure they get the support they need as they integrate back into society. >> some of them were in evin prison, notoriously the worst prison in iran. what did it take to get the deal done, some of them have been for years? >> for many namazi, it was eight years. the state department, all the way from the beginning of the administration, this is something we have been working on for a long, long time. and you can imagine that negotiations like this, especially with a regime like the one in teheran, that's not going to go smoothly. it's not always going to go without wrinkles and problems, this was no different. >> michael mccaul has been critical of the decision to make the deal, the $6 billion that

has been handed back over. even though the administration claims these funds are limited to humanitarian transactions, they're difficult to monitor, and money is fungible. there's tho question this deal will free up funds for iran's maligned activities. what is the administration doing, what can they do to make sure this money is not used improperly? >> we have a rigorous set of controls on the way that the regime can request withdrawals for this funding, and i think it's really important. there's a fundamental misunderstanding. the regime will never get to touch the money. they can make a request for certain humanitarian products, medical supplies, food, agricultural, and we will supervise the process by which vendors will procure that material and deliver it into iran. the people that will benefit are the iranian people who we have no beef with. >> they're not getting cash? >> they can't just cut a check and pull out the money for whatever they want whenever they want.

i heard what president raisi told lester holt, and he's wrong. they don't get to spend the way they want. there's a rigorous set of controls. we can stop a transaction in the middle of it if we feel like it's going to be diverted or -- >> how does that work? how do you stop it? >>work? >> working with the qataris and vendors and oversight provided in general by the u.s. treasury department we'll have enough visibility to stop a transaction if we think it's going awri and freeze funds if we think iran is going to cheat on them. as for the other argument, we have been holding iran accountable for all their destabilizing activities, sanctions least and today -- >> that is argument they're not using the money for food or medical supplies, they do have more and i know we've sanctioned them and continue to sanction them, do you think sanctions work in that way? >> two things here. one, it's not like -- they can't

make a withdraw for $6 billion at a time. >> couple hundred thousands here and there. >> parcelled out in smaller amounts, and we're not going to turn a blind eye. >> is there any hope of reopening the negotiations for the iran nuclear deal? does this make it easier to do so? >> no. this is not tied to the iran nuclear deal at all. >> even if it's not tied does it -- does the soil get tilled in a way that allows this to happen again? >> not really. this was not about trying to get some other diplomatic benefit out. it's about getting americans home. we still believe diplomacy is the right way to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. there's not any movement there. we're focused on the other destabilizing activities and ambitions through other means. we have to make sure the president has options available to him to meet that promise of them never getting a nuclear weapon. >> i assume you wouldn't make this deal if they thought it

would encourage more hostage taking. why won't this? >> this is not a new behavior for iran. that's why the state department has designated iran as a high risk for detention, nothing new to the mullahs or regime. we urge americans not to go to iran. don't do business there. if you're there you need to find a way to get home. >> part of the deal five iranians here were -- their charges, explain what happened and why two of them are staying. >> five of them, not all of them had been charged and convicted. >> nonviolent crimes. >> mostly in the realm of sanctions. of the five only two chose to go back it iran. the other three are staying for personal reasons of their own. we'll make sure that's done in accordance with our legal process and system here. all nonviolent crimes. only two went back. it's not just five we got back

today. it's seven. because the wife of one and the mother of another were not allowed to leave iran, even though they weren't charged or convicted of a crime, they couldn't leave the country and now they're on that plane coming home. >> this is all happening in interesting timing. the year anniversary of mahsa amini's death was saturday and there's been speculation that iran made this deal and timed this deal in order to take attention away from that as they were visiting the u.n. today? >> if that was their intent they failed. on friday we issued new sanctions against entities in iran continuing to persecute innocent protesters in iran and saw additional sanctions today. this is a good day for these five families. >> what are the status of protests surrounding mahsa amini? >> there's still a protest movement that's active. it's not as large or as vociferous as it was before, but there are protesters in iran that want to see better right,

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we're back with national security council coordinator john kirby, the hardest title coordinator for strategic communications. >> it's a mouthful. >> we're back about the house gop, their current budget proposal does not include ukraine aid funding. why does the white house think it's important to have that in there? >> we have had numerous conversations, including last week when the national security advisory adviser went to capitol hill and spoke with members on both sides of the aisle. we're comfortable in the leadership in the house understand what's at stake here in ukraine and they have been

uniformly supportive of supporting -- >> [ inaudible ] on votes? that's the issue. >> they are clearly in support. they can manifest this amongst their fellow republicans. we believe that there's still a lot of support there. both in a bipartisan way, and the voices, though they are growing louder they are still in the minority in the house in terms of pushing back on support. we're all going to get a chance to hear from president zelenskyy tomorrow and then again on thursday at the white house where he can make his case not just to the american people. >> we're going to hear from president biden tomorrow. can you give us a preview? >> he's looking forward to this opportunity to address the general assembly and you will see a full-throated defense of support for ukraine and why that's not important not just to our interest but the whole idea of sovereignty the u.n. charter. you'll hear him talk about climate change the threat that poses and how we need to keep working on a clean energy transition and economic development and infrastructure and investment opportunities in the so-called global south,

lower and middle income countries really hurt by this war in ukraine and efforts to hem them get on a sounder economic footing. there's an awful lot packed into this speech. >> i would be remiss if i didn't ask you about the missing f-35. any idea you can tell us where the plane might be? what happened? >> we're staying in touch with the pentagon as much as we can. we don't know where that aircraft is. we're glad that pilot was able to eject and make sure he gets the medical care. >> he talked ate about a mishap. >> i'm sure they will conduct a full investigation. we need to find the aircraft. then we'll have a chance to talk to the aviator when they get a chance. >> i know it's been a lightning round but i've been curious about this and haven't had you on to talk about it, musk and star link and this idea that he was able to geofence and not allow the ukrainians to attack a bunch of russian warships. is the white house concerned about so much power with one man? >> i think what we're concerned

about is making sure that ukrainians are able to access that and other like technologies to help them fight this war -- >> independently of one person. >> we want them to have access to that, of course, but also to other technologies. i can't confirm the accounts in the book, but i can confirm that we have worked with industry to see what can be done to continue to help ukraine with those kinds of geolocation capabilities so they can defend themselves. >> is the white house in touch with musk? >> there's been conversations but that's as far as i'm going to go. >> all right. john kirby, thank you so much, for sprinting across midtown manhattan. >> my pleasure. >> first day of the u.n. which is the worst day for traffic in the city. >> it's tough here. >> use your feet, the subway, do not get in a car. thank you very much for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> that is going to do it for me today on this whirlwind day as always. "deadline: white house" starts right now.

>> hi there. happy monday. 4:00 in new york. mark meadows woke up this morning to the grim new reality he's now in a legal vice. on the one side legal mistakes of his own making as detailed in new reporting in the new york times and on the other an ex-boss who is not even pretending at this point not to talk like a mob boss. quote, one morning last month in an atlanta federal courtroom mark meadows, former president trump's chief of staff was in the hot seat, and he put himself there. meadows lawyer made the surprise move of asking his client to testify in an effort to have the georgia election interference case against him moved to a federal court. a venue where his chances of acquittal or having the case thrown out may be better than in the state court where he's been charged. he