good evening, rachel. most righteous work a person can do and saved many lives. that is "all in." >> i'm very much enjoyed this hour. this was a fantastic show. really happy to see you talk to dr. hotez. really happy to see you talk to senator fetterman and his mus stash. you had this great back and forth with him and everything. i was so transfixed by the mus stashby i can't believe it alon didn't get a question. >> it alone is an 11 out of 10. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. really good to have you here. so have you ever been asked to

dog sitee or cat sit for a frie while they are away or to plant sit even, to water your friend's plants? are you the person who's been given the spare key to your neighbor's apartment in case of emergency? i feel like maybe this is different in different eras and different generations, but i feel like in our lives and our time there aren't that many formal signs in life. there aren't that many formal bits of feedback that can tell you if you're doing okay, things that can tell you the people who know you don't just know you, they trust you. they feel you're an honorable person. there are a few formal things like that. you could be voted captain of a team in school sports or something. you could be chosen by your peers for some kind of responsibility. maybe you geton asked to be on e select board in your town or get

asked to be on the bargaining unit at your job or something like that. there are some formal things that come across, but more often it's these not formal small personal things. being asked for your neighbor to dog sit, being entrusted with that, being given your spare key byyo your neighbor. maybe it dawns on you as your familyu members are making decisions about where they're going to live, you find members of your family are moving closer to be where you live, and that' because they think you're solid, that you can be counted on. it can also be the more serious stuff like someone asking you to be their child's god parent, someone asking you to be the executor of their will. there are things like this in lifeth that i think of as midli

check ups, signs that whether in the eyes of your peers and loved ones you're seen as someone doing okay, doing things right, honorable, trustworthy, you can be counted on. if you don't have anything like that in your life, i hope you someday do. i hope everyone of us someday is listed as the in case emergency contact in c someone else's pho. amen. let us all be that for someone someday. at the level of us as a country, though, not just as individuals, today's news brought maybe the best test i had never seen, the starkest test i'd ever seen of whether a country is doing things right in the eyes of the people who know it best. today the united states and iran exchanged prisoners, five americans who have been unjustly held in iran basically as

hostages, they were released from prison today. they were flown from qatar and quickly flown onto the united states where they are being e reunited with their families. these are five iranian americans one of whom was the longest held american in iran since 1979. he was held in iran for eight years in the notorious ivine prison. at least two other americans released today were held in iran for five years. these people have been held effectively as hostages by the iranian government for so much time, but the biden administration negotiated to gen them free, and today in a surprise these five americans flew out of iran. they flew to qatar immediately and then onto the united statesd now, as part of this negotiation, theth u.s. governm, also agreed to free five iranians and iranian americans

who were being held here, people who were charge or convicted withor various crimes here, and these were c mostly related to alleged or proven violations of the sanctions that our government has against iran, but this was basically the swap, five americans held in iran coming home here. five iranians or iranians being held here, freed to go back to iran. but it is telling. it is very telling that when the five people who were imprisoned inwe iran were freed in iran, ty all do the same thing, they all high tailed it out of iran immediately, they left that country, they stopped in qatar briefly and came back to the united states, all five of them. you look at the five on the other side of the deal, the five people freed here in the united states, their plans do not look the, same. at least one and possibly two of the men who were freed here

today in this deal with iran, they're not going backit to ira they're going to stay in america.g one told news organizations today, another iranian official told news organizations today they're going to stay in america, thanks. no plans to leave here for iran. are you crazy? and i feel like this is an important sort of signal moment for us as a country just as it is a sign of a life well-lived if someone asks you to water their plants when they are gone, someone intress you with a house key in case of an emergency. so too is it a seen you're doing something right as a country when even the people you freed fromop prison decide they'd ratr stay here in this country than go back to the country that negotiated with their freedom. it is still nicer here than there, nieven though that's the country thatgh traded for me. i'll stayde here. i mean talk whatever trash you

wantat to about the united stat of america, truly t feel free. it is literally a free country, but clearly we are doing something right, right? thank you, iran, for the high stakes international negotiations on my behalf that freed me to leave america where i amam being criminally prosecuted. also i mind prefer to stay in america despite all of that, see you never.yo thunk about what that seize about us as a country. close to three dozen american hostages thatri the biden administration has now successfully brought home froms various despotic countries around the world, republicans are criticizing president bidene criticizing the biden administration for getting these americans home todayet from ira. but you know what, these americans are on their way home tonight from iran. they're no longer in the prison they've been languishing for

five years, eight years without hope. these americans are coming home. and, yes, republicans are criticizing president biden for getting thempr home. republicans are also criticizing president biden for getting brittney griner home out of russiane after the government there took her a hostage as wel. frankly i look forward to the day we get to hear all the republican criticism for getting evan gerschkovich as well. hopefully the day he comes home arrives soon, too, and inevitably republican will be up in arms about it when it n happens, but it'll nevertheless be a great day. with this dramatic and joyful news today about these long-held american hostages being released from prison in iran or released and flown home to the united states and at least one if not two ofas the five iranians released here as part of the deal deciding they'll nevertheless stay here in this country, thanks very much, with

president biden in new york for the u.n. general assembly g wherehy he's going to make a big speech tomorrow, with all that going on, we've got america's ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas greenfield, here tonight with uf on set for the interview and very much look forward to that conversation in just a moment. but that dynamic i'm describing in the d work in the news today describes for all our faults we mustou be doing something right if all the people sprung from diplomatic negotiations nevertheless want to stay here after they are sprung, i feel like that dynamic is -- it's also a reminder that what we do have in this country is unique, and it's not inevitable. and what sets us up as a country is losable.

it's fragile. it needs protecting. headline, threats mount against prosecutors and fbi agents working on hunter biden probe. prosecutors and fbi agents involved in the hunter biden investigation have been the targets of threats and harassment hurting government officials in testimony obtained by nbc news. quote, it's part of a dramatic uptick in threats against fbi agents that's coincided with attacks on the fbi and justice department by congressional republicans andce former presidt donald trump. the threats have prompted the fbi to create a stand alone unit to investigate and mitigate them, according to previously unreleased congressional testimony. headline, fbi investigating violent threatsve in fulton county, georgia. in the saga of the multiple criminal trials ahead for the former president and leading congressional presidential candidate donald trump, one

major thing we're waiting on right now could happen at any time is news on whether the federal judge overseeing trump's case in d.c., the one about him trying to overturn the election, will that judge grant the prosecutor's request for an order that restricts the kinds of statements that trump can make about that trial so as to not prejudice the jury pool, so as to not intimidate witnesses. it's very striking. waiting for that order from the judgee right now. in that request for the order from the judge, prosecutors had to giveos examples to the courtf some of the times trump's overheated public statements given his followers to commit violence or threaten violence on his behalf. they included in their court filing thed repeat arrest of a trump supporter in texas who called the chambers of a federal judge overseeing that trial and threatened to kill the judge because trump is on trial in her

courtroom. i mean all of these things, the court filing about the potential gag order, the threats to fulton county officials, the threats to the fbi itself, i mean these are all just in the past few days. but these headlines are just now the ambient mood of public service in the trump era of republican politics, the fulton county sheriff's and the fbi having to investigate that, and the fbi officials themselves being threatened and the fbi having tore investigate that. it's the judge in a trump case being threatened where another judge being threatened wrshd the grand jurors in one of the cases being threatened. it's the prosecutor in one trump case being threatened. it's the prosecutor in another case being threatened. it's the federal prosecutor in the hunter biden investigation

getting, quote, such a barrage of credible threats she had to seek security help from the u.s. service. the head of the cdc getting death threats, the head of the cdc. it's the staff of the national archives being threatened. sure, why not. quote, the national archives has been hit with a wave of threats since the fbi retrieved classified recordsre from trump mar-a-lago club. it's the irs being threatened. quote, irs launches a safety review after right-wing threats, republicans in congress repeating inbaseless claims lon made by extremists, experts saya potentially puts federal workers in danger. it's more than a dozen people now federally criminally charged withw making threats to electi workers all over the country. now it's republican u.s. senator, formeru. republican presidential nominee mitt romney telling his biographer of serving members of congress in both the house and senate,

confiding in him s they've take specific votes in congress that benefitted trump specifically because they werebe afraid for their physical safety if they did not. they would have voted in a way not beneficial to trump, but they felt physically threatened, and so they voted in a way beneficial to trump. quote, think of your personal safety. think of your children. why put your wife and children at risk? if public life, public service, evenvi just regular citizen participation in regular politics is suffused with threats of violence now, one of the things that for sure does is forces people out of politics and out of public service. right, it is common sense. if politics and public service ares being made into something that is quite literally dangerous, then in the normal course ofra events, normal peop will steer clear.

right? that's part of why there's a -- we have a protected, you know, right to associate with others even foria political purposes i this country, right? you ought to be able to gather with others. youer ought to be assemble. you have the right to assemble peacefully to seek the address of grievancesch why do we have the right to peacefully assemble, so you can assemble peaceably. we protect protesters. we protect people assembling peaceablyli to say their peace that we can all peacefully say our piece, so that we will so our government will be accountable to us, so our government will continue to adapt tont the needs and the was and the voice of the people. what we have now is an atmosphere of ultraright-wing

political violence and threat which doesn't only affect the individual politicians and civil servants and poll workers and law enforcement officials being directly targeted by trump supporters. it haste t a systemic effect, t right? systemically over time it thins out, it hollows out the public's fear in government, so it's no longer for anybody, it's only for the brave and the militant and those who themselves are willing to either abide threats of violence or issue them themselves, and that is not the kind of democracy we are. that is not what we are supposed to be. we are supposed to havearolicing free press. we are supposed to have the constitutionally protected freedom to associate, freedom to assemble including for political reasons for re-dress of grievances from the government.s we are supposed to have a vibrant, rollicking civil society. we're supposed toli have no barrier to entry, participatory

democracy at every level from student government to school board to city hall to your locally elected dogcatcher and alderman and state rep and president. if participation in public life at every level instead is cowed by people wielding guns and threats ofng mob violence and death threats and intimidation of witnesses and the doxing of grand jurors and the rest of it, at a fundamental level we're doing it wrong, like doing it in fact the way too much of the world doesn't do it. in fact we have been different and the fact we have been a place whereha the government isy and for the people is at least until now is why so much of the world has been s aspiring to co here when they can. last week we saw republicans in the state of wisconsin fire the

widely praised technocrattic nonpartisan administrator of elections in that crucial swing state after she refused to help wisconsin republicans muddle or overturn the results of that state's presidential election in 2020. republicans in the wisconsin legislature were told by the attorney general of the state. they were told by their own lawyers in the legislature that they do not have the authority to firet this election officia but they went ahead and they're trying to do it anyway. this week we'll see republicans in the crucial swing state of north carolina try to do effective laethe same thing as north koreans republicans are teeing up a vote to take over election administrations in that state, too. they've been trying to do this in north carolina, but they've been blocked c so far by votersn a clear state referendum. also multiple court rulings are standing in their way, too. but this week they're apparently

ready to go for it again, to take over administration of elections in that swing state because heaven forbid we hold onto free and fair technocratically small, real small "d" democracy, heaven forbid we hold onto that for un -- because for so long we've done it better because our constitution has led us to do it better. we have a good and rare thing going in this country. a republic if we can keep it. k it doesn't mean we don't have our problems. we have a good system for fixing oura problems. we are listed as the in case of emergency contact in -- in the phone of the whole rest of the

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it is rare on a monday that i can pretty confidently tell you what tuesday's news is going to consistent of, but dollars to donuts says at least some of tomorrow's news is going to be about president biden addressing the united nations tomorrow morning as well as president zelenskyy from ukraine also expected to address the united nations live and in person tomorrow. they're both here because this is the week of the united nations general assembly. joining us now for the interview is america's ambassador to the united nations, thomas greenfield. ambassador, nice to see you. >> you, too. thank you for having me. >> if i know one thing about united nations during general assembly being here this week is you do not have time to be here

talking to me. >> i have time to talk to you. thank you for inviting me. >> let me ask you about the dramatic prisoner swap today. five americans who had long been held prisoner in iran being freed there, on their way home as we speak. five iranians, iranian americans who were either federally charged or already in custody here in the united states swapped for them. i wanted to ask you about a statement made by one of the americans who was freed today who described this, his incredible gratitude of being freed. but he said this. over the past 44 years the iranian regime has mastered the nasty game of caging in the americans and other foreign nationals and commercializing their freedom where prison is dystopian united nations of hostages. we must channel the pain of the victims in the kind of measures that will up end the cost benefit calculations of tehran's

business if we keep this path to profit free of risk and toll for them, this vile regime will keep treading on it again and again and again. even as he's being freed this system where countries like iran take americans hostages effectively for profit, financial profit, diplomatic profit, we have to stop that incentive. what's your response to that? >> there is no profit that the iranians got from this deal. we released five unfairly held american citizens and brought them home to their families. and what the iranians got were five of their citizens who we ensured were held accountable for what they did. and as i heard from your report one or two of them don't want to go home. so they have to explain that as well. but this was about the americans released and unfairly held.

i know they are rejoicing with their families tonight. there are other americans being held elsewhere such as in russia, evan gershkovich, paul whelan, who we're working around the clock to bring home as well. >> it tells us something important about regimes like iran and russia however much they swagger and use means to display themselves as if though they have weight and are rich and powerful, they effectively have to resort to these criminal desperate tactics of taking hostages, preferably american hostages whenever they can in order to try to get concessions out of us and out of other countries. is -- is there some sort of regime that the united states could lead, some sort of compact the united states could lead to further disincentivize rogue

countries like that from plucking off individual americans for this type of reason? >>ia know we certainly work in the united nations with our partners, with other allies to make it as difficult as possible for these countries, to hold them accountable at every opportunity we can hold them accountable in every forum where we can call them out for their bad deeds. this is something that is a core value for us in working in the united nations, working with partners who to hold countries like iran accountable. it's not easy because we're dealing with individuals who really had no heart and don't really care, but we -- we had some success and i think most recently kicking iran off the commission on the status of

women when they killed was a huge, huge deal and i don't think they expected that they would get that kind of reaction. >> we've seen leaders like vladimir putin in particular in russia trying to recast the idea of international institutions and alliances, so there's some sort of alternative to the world. we've got the united nations, the american led western world, and they're trying to create what they say is multipolar world that doesn't include the united states and isn't based on institutions and instead alliances based on convenience among dictators. and it sounds pitiful and doomed to failure when you take a wider lens and think actually authoritarian governments are on the rise around the world including some democracies you think would be immune to this sort of thing.

president biden has talked about the choice between autocracy and democracy as the guiding global light as what he's doing as president. do you see it the same way? >> i do. and we do have to really ramp up our efforts to support democracies because we know that when democracies succeed, they bring about changes in the lives of their people, and russia knows that, and that's why they're doing everything possible to damage democracies around the world. but we in our -- recently we had a meeting of community of democracies, and we were able to say to the world that democracies do work, democracies do deliver to their -- to their people. we know there are attacks on democracy today. we've seen coups happening in

africa recently, and we have seen autocratic governments try to do everything possible not to engage with the world, but we can't just say, oh, it's okay they're doing this, they're winning. we have to keep fighting, and that's exactly what the administration is doing, what i'm doing every day in the united nations. >> when you take america's case to the world, which is literally your job at the united nations, one of the things that has changed, that you sort of have on your plate or at least you need to account for in the way you represent america in the world no other u.n. ambassador has ever had to deal with is the fact for the first time we have a former president facing criminal charges. he happens to also be the leading republican contendr for

for the next presidential nomination. it's very unusual, it is very unprecedented here. i wonder how that factors into your job of talking to the rest of the world about the values of democracy and about the rule of law and about accountability. >> look, there's no question to people around the world that our democracy is strong. but it is under attack, and we have to defend that democracy every way we can. when i arrived in '21, i was embraced by countries around the world, embraced by friends as well as competitors. they were happy to see the united states back at the table. they asked me over and over again can we feel confident that you're going to stay at the table, and i can't give them that confidence other than to say our country is strong and

our country will always survive, that we've been tell used before, we survived a civil war, and our country continues to thrive. we're not a perfect democracy by any means. we're constantly self-correcting. we acknowledge our faults but we survive, and we'll continue to do that. >> our guest is linda thomas-greenfield. she's america's ambassador to the united nations. we have to take a quick break. when we come back, i'm going to ask you a thorny question that you're not going to want to answer. >> i know how to not answer. >> the world's most diplomatic people are the world's most difficult interviews. we'll be right back. stay with us. t interviews we'll be right back. stay with us

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back with us now is the interview with linda thomas greenfield. along with president biden you ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is speaking at the u.n. general assembly. i think they're speaking tomorrow. >> the president is speaking tomorrow. >>ioalso expect president biden and zelenskyy will meet and talk on this trip. one of the things we've learned in the news in the past week or so is that as america is

supporting ukraine, a single american citizen has business of such a type he's been able to make decisions to constrain the military. in mr. musk's case we've got somebody an american businessman who effectively has foreign policies and for whatever reason has effectively decided to conduct competing and i would say operational foreign policy to the united states, a country which he's a citizen. who does president zelenskyy come to complain about that? mr. musk appears to be competing with his own country in whu his

foreign policy is and he has the technological resources tuesday do it in a materially significant way. you know, i would assume president zelenskyy will raise that with the united states. and having served as an ambassador overseas i do have countries come here to me to complain sometimes about the actions of an american company in their country, and we do try to address those issues when they're brought to our attention. so i assume if president zelenskyy has kplaped, he will bring that to us if he hasn't already. he hasn't brought it to me. >> with the kind of technology we're talking about here, the star link technology is integral supply line for united states

assets, irreplaceable for them. that's bad in one sense we now know because the united states as a government effectively can't make a decision how that resource should be deployed to hurt or help our ally. it's instead. what are the responsibilities of american government? >> we do two things working with american companies overseas. we support american companies in their efforts to work overseas, but we also establish certain parameters for how american companies operate. this is situation that i can't comment on specifically. i don't know any of the details of this, but i suspect president

zelenskyy will raise it, and it will be brought to the attention of others to address. >> i knew you were going to avoid answering me on the question. i could tell before i asked it because i know you can't answer it in specific, but i find it to be a confounding situation as an observer and american. another situation that is confounding and concerning is one the biden administration has expressed very sharp concern about, which is a new law in uganda, which is being called the kill the gays law, which establishes in fact the death penalty for something they call aggravated homosexuality. they're threatening to kill people for being gay. the obama administration was sharply crit olof this, the biden administration was critical of this when the government try td the first time

around. one, american right-wing evangelical activists have encouraged the ugandan government to do this. the other is that u.s. funds make up a significant portion of the ugandan government assistance specifically the massive assistance we give them pepfar program to combat hiv and aids in that country. >> 25 million. >> it's an astonishingly effective american program, perhaps the most lifesaving american interventions in the world ever. and i keep hearing from activists trying to keep the gay community from being kill off in uganda, funds are being and

given how strongly the administration feels about this, isn't there a way that funding could be directed it's still solving the problem in uganda but not making the problem worse for that sexual minority facing really, really serious risk. i was asked this question by lawrence o'donnell, and i was on his show the last time after you spoke to him, and let me just start out by saying this law is horrific, and we've made very clear in no certain term tuesday the ugandan government that it is unacceptable. and we are doing everything in our power to support the lgbtq community in uganda to ensure their safety and ensure they're not damage by this law. and we do know at least one

individual has been recently arrested and charged and in the process of being tried. >> and because it's a capital offense being held in prison awaiting trial. life threatening situation. >> so we are looking at, and i've said this before how we can continue to provide the good support pepfar provides directly to individuals to help save their lives without putting that funding through the ugandan government or through individuals in the ugandan government who are responsible for implementing this law. it's a huge dilemma, but we have to find a way to do that. and we have to find a way to hold those accountable who are basically violating the human rights, the lgbtq community in uganda. we engage with them on a regular basis. i was involved with the

situation during the 2013, 2014 period during the obama administration when i was assistant secretary for africa, and we were successful in getting the government to -- to stop moving forward on the law. we failed on that this time around, but we're continuing to engage the lgbtq community on how we can help them and also to put pressure on the ugandan government to push back and urge them not to enforce this horrific law. >> neighboring countries, of course, watching closely to see what happens in uganda to see if they should also pursue legislation like this, raising the stakes even further. busiest woman in new york this week, thank you so much for your time. it's an honor to have so much time with you. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. you very much >> we'll be right back stay with us

shingles. the rash can feel like pulsing, electric shocks and last for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 50 years or older? ask your doctor about shingles. this is the headline at abc news tonight. trump wrote to-do lists for assistant white house documents marked classified. trump wrote to-do lists for his assistant on classified documents. seriously? what abc news is reporting tonight is as straightforward and nutty that sounds, nbc has

not mauched that reporting. abc is citing multiple sources trump's white house federal swrek tsk assistance when she left office, she was working for him at his florida golf club thing trump was in the habit of grabbing any classified document he had around and using it as essentially as a scratch pad for to-do lists for her. trump has been indicted over the allegation he had all those classified documentsing around in the first place when he should not have. special counsel jack smith has charged him with 40 felony federal counts alleging he took classified material and then lied to the government about having it, and literally he hid it by moving boxes of documents from room to room in the golf

club in hopes nobody would find these things. in some ways it is the most easily digestible of the four criminal indictments currently pending against the former president. the import of this report again not been verified by nbc news, it's not so much former president trump allegedly likes to used classified documents as things he shouldn't even have as scrap paper, it's that he handed these classified documents with his scribbles to his assistant, and then she handed them over to the fbi. that assistant no longer works for trump and previously been reported she's cooperating with special counsel's investigation. if that is the case, if she is cooperating that has implications not just for the classified documents case but the january 6th case as well. the same assistant pops up in that indictment, too.

she was trump's assistant when he was president as well. when it comes to that case, if there is a cooperator who is his executive assistant, that's important. as recently as couple weeks ago we'd seen reporting special counsel jack smith was still investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election, that even a month after indicting trump a federal grand jury was still working on that case, still interviewing witnesses. that grand jury was set to expire this past friday, friday last week. but if mr. smith wanted to extend it, he could have done so. we don't know whether he did. all eyes are on the d.c. courthouse where the grand jury has been meeting to see if

they'll be back this week. literally reporters are out watching the courthouse to see if they can see the grand jurors walk in. the grand juries have been meeting tuesdays and thursdays which means eyes open on that tomorrow, we could know as as soon as tomorrow whether jack smith extended their stay and whether further indictments could be coming. watch this space. her further in could be coming. watch this space

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