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unprecedented climate disasters impacting millions, a sobering admission by the leader of the united nations. he says the u.n. isn't keeping pace with the changing world, and instead of fixing problems, it now risks becoming one of them. plus, a stunner reportedly from one of donald trump's own aides alleging he used classified documents the same way you and i might use post-it notes. wait until you hear what she says trump told her when the fbi came searching for those missing boxes. the marines called it a mishap, but a member of congress has a very different take the form of a blunt question. how in the hell to use an f-35 , the most expensive aircraft in arsenal has now been found, but in pieces 24 hours after it went missing, and the marines have had three other very expensive mishaps in the just the past six weeks, so what is going on? talk about we start just a few miles from where i am sitting at the united nations in a

world that the secretary- general says is becoming unhinged. that is his word, unhinged. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, just a short time from now, is expected to set parameters for a return to stability and sanity. his argument to world leaders, expected to be hold steady. keep critical military and economic aid flowing to his country because the future of democracy everywhere is at stake. in that way, he's expected to echo what we heard from president biden on that very same stage with zelenskyy watching. >> i ask you this. if we abandon the core principles of the united states to appease an aggressor and any member state of this body feel confident that they are protected, if we allow ukraine to be carved up, is the

independence of any nation secure? i would respectfully suggest the answer is no. >> i want to bring in richard engel, nbc's chief foreign correspondent who has been covering the war in ukraine at nbc white house correspondent mike memoli. tim miller is water at large for the bulwark and a msnbc political analyst. great to have you guys, all of you. look here for a long time, the u.n. has been the object of a lot of criticism. they didn't know what they were doing. they serve no purpose. but to have the head of the u.n. say what he said, and in time frankly when there was a critical decision to made around the world about what to do about the war in ukraine, give me your analysis of what we're seeing going down the street here. >> i was stunned by that because i've accused secretary- general a number of times because he can't to a lot of dictators the believe that's how he's going to be bringing lps, and it's not working. the fact is the u.n. for a

decade now or more has been facing this existential crisis for a system that prevents it from achieving its main goal, which is to uphold peace and security around the world. the reason for that is if you have countries like russia in particular who have veto power on the u.n. security council and zero way of kicking off the u.n. security council unless the u.n. security council itself does it, which it can because russia can veto, then the u.n. ends up enabling the dictator's real. >> that's exactly what zelenskyy is talking about. why is russia even allowed to hold this kind of power with the u.n.? >> that's right, that's why biden also is saying, listen to this body was created after world war ii to prevent this exact situation, yet here we are. someone is invader unable to mopping up territory, and if we allow it to happen, russia will continue and also dictators around the world will produce that behavior, which is why zelenskyy is saying you want

democracy to be perserved? you need to stand with us but it's a crisis for the u.n.'s existence, and the only a thing is to burn the system down and rebuild it, because in order to kick any member, the u.n. security council has to be the one advising it to the general assembly , and russia has veto power in the security council. >> richard, we are waiting for president zelenskyy. flashback to when he was addressing the u.n. remotely. he was surprising people with the ferocity of his efforts. now, there is concern how long this war has gone, the ask for billions of dollars in aid. how would you characterize the fate of the war right now? >> reporter: where we were a year ago -- attacking russian forces, and the russian forces were collapsing. they were overextended from their front-line, poorly organized, did not have leadership or fuel, and the ukrainians were rolling right over them. now, the russians are dug in, and they have line after line of trenches, they have laid

millions of landmines. i was at ellie and mine clearing site earlier today, and it is incredibly painstaking how much effort is involved to find each of these little minds that the russians are dropping by missile better scattering all over this country, an area the size of florida here covered in landmines. i met a woman who lost her leg, and she was just forging for mushrooms and stepped on one of these things, and she doesn't want to give and. she says, i want to stay because we are fighting for our land ukraine is going through troops and is struggling to send enough troops to the front lines. the very brittle front lines. we were at a hospital. they are doing 17, up to 17 surgeries a day, and 80% of them are going right back to the front, and they say they are doing this because, unlike russia which wants to turn ukraine into a colony, they are fighting to stay in their homes.

we're all those stories, tim, what first motivated a lot of americans to get behind this war, this fight for democracy, right? children, women being killed here the unbelievable fortitude we have seen from the folks who are fighting this war on the front lines, but do you think at this point now the american people need to see some sort of endgame, something they have to hear from zelenskyy? can you just keep asking for support as long as it takes? >> i don't know as long as it takes, but the american people have been pretty supportive of this war with one exception, which is kind of the make america great again part of the republican party. this issue is an encapsulation of our political climate in this country. i was listening to your conversation earlier, and his critiques of u.n. as cuddling dictators, that was a common republican critique 10 years ago, and now you are hearing this from the biden administration and from the u.n. itself, and it's a portion

of the republican party, but not all of them saying we should be coddling to the dictator a little bit more. we should be less aggressive in a foreign policy, so i think this is an area where biden actually has an opportunity because his side is pretty united in supporting ukraine to the other side is divided. there are some republicans that still have those more traditional views from the mccain/bush area. there are many others that are more of the maga isolationist view, so i think biden can offer more clarity and strength and kind of find the issue where the opposition is divided. it can't go on forever, but for now, this is a pretty good political issue for the president. >> the issue becomes, mike, how does the president continue to make his case? we heard him do it this money. he did use the majority of his speech as he did last year to talk about ukraine, but when he's alone with president zelenskyy later this week, when he had a chance to talk about that conversation, what does biden need to say, and what do you think he wants to hear from president zelenskyy today to help them both get to where they want to go?

>> reporter: chris, you hit on it. it's interesting to line up at the president said today about ukraine versus what he said last year. maybe less what he said but how much time he devoted in his speech to it one of the reasons we have gotten from an inefficient official is why it was not as big of a part of his speech is because volodymyr zelenskyy himself is here today, and as we've heard at a number different settings from administration officials, zelenskyy is the most effective messenger for his people for the need for continued support for ukraine that there is implicit in that is either more effective messenger than president biden, but when these two leaders sit down face-to- face in washington, you can expect president biden is going to want more of a direct accounting from zelenskyy about this counteroffensive. you've heard from the u.s. and the u.s. allies that this needs to be a year of action,

decisive year for ukraine in its counteroffensive. they need to see progress, not because the leaders themselves are wavering and support, but because they represent countries where political sentiment is important, and they need to see and make the case of continued support to ukraine is important that you will have the intelligence sharing in a political sense between zelenskyy and biden as zelenskyy is going to be having important meetings with lawmakers on capitol hill. the president has put forth a request for billions more aid to ukraine but he wants congress to adopt, and zelenskyy it's going to be important for him to make the case directly to both democrats but particularly to republicans on capitol hill why it's in their interest, and the u.s.' interest to do so. this is an important opportunity, and i think it's notable the white house wanted this meeting to happen between these two men not here at the u.n. where the president is meeting with other world leaders, but in washington to try to make that case for continued assistance at a time when there's a number of other funding issues as we know, chris, for lawmakers to consider this fall.

>> at least one or two. hager, i mentioned at the top of the show the big picture of the u.n. secretary general and his own comments. i want to play more of what he had to say. >> our world is becoming unhinged. geopolitical tensions are rising global challenges are mounting. we seem incapable of coming together to respond. the world has changed. our institutions have not. we cannot effectively reverse problems as they are if institutions do not reflect the world as it is. instead of solving problems, there is becoming part of the problem. >> and you don't have a bunch of world leaders who even showed up for this. what, macron from france had something else to do. he's getting ready for a visit from the king. i think rishi sunak from the uk is like, i've got too many things going on. russia, china. what does that say about where we are right now? >> it's telling , actually.

those are for the countries you mentioned, four out of five permanent members of the security council, arguably the most important at the united nations, and only want, president biden, was -- the united states, had its head of state at the event. this used to be the prom for foreign policy, and it lost its luster, and not only has it lost its luster where you have leaders that are like, i've got something else to do. king charles is coming, and i got to prep for it. it shows you that to even think 10 years ago when i was at the u.n., i was there in 2015-2016, that would've been unheard of. they are not seeing the importance of it clearly appears secretary jan is right. you are coming at a time right now where it's not just ukraine war. the greatest number of conflicts and around the world since world war ii. we've got a series of coups that happen the west africa the last couple of years, and several over the last few weeks you have a lot of crises in

latin america, economic crises, post pandemic kidney issues go on. aip we could go on, and just between this existential crisis we talked about in the fact that people don't seem to lay a lot of credibility in the u.n., not even showing up or it's one big evening of the year, it feels as it's not well equipped to handle this. does that not mean multilateral organizations are not equipped. g7, g20, these organizations are doing great alliances are very important, but the u.n. needs to have a reckoning. we're from the field, richard engel, from someone who has been to all these places and who covers them away from most of us would never even begin to imagine? >> weigh in on this conversation and the bigger picture, if you will, richard? >> reporter: well, listening to hager, i pick a lot of ukrainians would be very annoyed if they felt that if they don't show progress on the battlefield and make rapid advances, then washington , their answer would be simple. where are the planes? they are being asked to drive

through the front lines that are fortified by heavy russian artillery, the trenches, and they are doing it in small squads, rushing into these battles, and they don't have -- many would want to weigh in on listening to the debate. that is to say, why aren't you showing progress? they will say we need not only more weapons, but different kind of weapons because, as it is right now, they are taking a lot of this burden physically. it's very costly to be fighting this war for ukraine right now. >> to say the least. secretary austin did say some abrams m1 tank will be getting to ukraine shortly, but this is really just one piece of a much larger puzzle. richard engel, mike memoli, hager chemali , thank you so much. tim miller, you'll be sticking around. and we will be carrying

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and earn 3% cash back. as the world keeps changing, so does covid-19. that's why this season's covid-19 shots have been updated. they're one of the best ways to help protect yourself against covid-19. learn more and schedule at vaccines.gov there is a bizarre twist in the donald trump classified documents case. new reporting that the former president repeatedly wrote to do list for an assistant on white house documents that were clearly marked classified. abc news reports that trump's former aide molly michael, quote, told investigators that more than once, she received requests or tasking from trump written on the back of notecards , and she would later recognize the notecards as sensitive white house materials with visible classification markings

used to brief trump while he was still in office about phone calls with foreign leaders or other international related matters. abc news cites sources familiar with molly michael's statements. nbc has not confronted is reporting. trump of course has pled not guilty in the case, and a trump spokesperson said what abc news was told, there was the spokesperson called illegal leaks, lacks proper context and information and that president trump did nothing wrong, has always insisted on truth and transparency, and acted in a proper manner according to the law. i want to bring in nbc's ken dilanian, and harry litman, deputy assistant attorney general and ucla professor of constitutional law. welcome. good to have you. harry, that's not all. here is amor from abc molly michael told federal investigators, quote, she believed early on that claims of no more boxes for trump are easily disproven, and she believed trump knew they were

false because he knew the contents of those boxes better than anyone else. sources said after trump heard the fbi wanted to interview michael last year, trump allegedly told her, you don't know anything about those boxes. trump already faces a couple of counts of obstruction, so i'm wondering, harry, could this be another? >> what it is, is totally prohibitive of the one that he already has. that is, this is playing around with notecards shows he's cavalier, he's very trumpian, but what you read, chris, is the real punch line. knowing that the interview, he said you don't know anything

about the boxes. we know that is clearly a lie. it sounds like it anyway because she takes a picture and give it to him so he knows, and the picture is in the indictment. if you go back, here is trump employee number two if you go back to the indictment and match it up with the allegations there. she's going to be a killer witness here no deal, no ax to grind. in fact, was loyal to trump, go to mar-a-lago with him after, then finally leaves when she knows he's basically breaking the law and obstructing justice. she gives absolute killer evidence about his trying to keep more than the boxes he had given up already to the fbi, and that's why the search incident. very, very powerful witness, she's going to be. >> michael, if it's true, what is, quote unquote, proper context for using classified documents as a kind of post it note, and i wonder. well, i think you have to wonder if this new reporting makes it kind of easier for a potential jury, michael, to understand the case. >> well, i think, look. as we were saying, the idea

that he would write notes on classified documents certainly speaks to how he views them, but his treatment of classified documents and disregard for them is pretty well known, so i'm not sure how much it moves the ball in that respect, but what i think this all speaks to, especially the part where trump talks to the witness before she is interviewed, if the simplicity of the case and the power of it in the sense that you don't have to know anything about how classified documents are created or are used as evidence in a trial or what the presidential records act is and what it applies to or any theories of that to understand what the obstruction in this case looks like. and i think that's one of the reasons that, you know, the federal prosecutors have said repeatedly why this indictment is so strong. that, that to the average person , you can easily wrap your head around the

accusations of criminality here , and it will be very interesting to see when this does go to trial how, you know, the jury does receive this and how much of this case is easily understandable and doesn't get lost in the sensitivities of really complex stuff about classified documents in what presidents can or cannot take with them when they leave office. >> i think, michael, going back to harry's point about loyalty, that is a concept, right? loyalty, betrayal as old as time, but this is someone, again, if this turns out to be true, who had been very loyal to donald trump, and he has always talked about loyalty. in fact, he told kristen welker that he hopes his former chief of staff, mark meadows, is still loyal to him. this is the kind of concept that is at the heart of what donald trump always thought protected him,

right, michael? >> to look, as far back as the first few years of his administration, he said out loud, where is my cohen, referring to the longtime competent. trump was always looking for that person to do his bidding, and what's remarkable about the trump story is that it takes until the final months of the administration for him to really sort of figure out in weaponize that, in its most extreme ways. there were attempts throughout the administration to do that. many times, they sort of cul-de- sac on themselves. sometimes, they broke through and did have impact, but never did he have the group of individuals who were going to the lengths that they were as sidney powells and rudy giulianis were in the final

weeks of the administration, and you know, this sort of is how this is all tied together, how when he's president, he is looking for those people to be loyal to him, to do what he wants. he struggled along the way, but ultimately gets to the point where in the lead up of january 6th, he finds those people. >> and ken, nbc news actually has the reporting on rudy giuliani, who has now been sued by his former lawyers who claim he owes them over $1 million in unpaid legal fees one more can you tell us about that? >> this is a stunning development, chris. robert costello, the lawyer in question, has represented rudy giuliani since 2019, but the two men have known each other 50 years, and costello has been a staunch advocate for giuliani. now, he is doing rudy giuliani, saying rudy owes him nearly $1.1 million in fees and has not paid his legal bills, and it really raises questions about how giuliani goes forward in the various legal matters in which he is entangled,

including he's charged criminally in georgia. is representing him? how is he paying the bills? his apartment in manhattan, multimillion dollar property reportedly up and sale. it's an indication as to how a man once known as america's mayor is an dire straits. >> you might want to know what this means for his defense cannot him, though, right? so many people and the question whether that plays into people's decision about the level of cooperation because they know that, to get involved in any of these cases is an incredibly not just complex and potentially threatening situation, but a financial drain unlike most of them have ever faced in their lives. >> yeah. kind of too much for most of them, and to michael's point,

they were loyal and expected loyalty back, and you had several defendants, for example, jenna ellis, saying why is he not paying our fees? that's exactly the kind of posture that is dangerous for trump because if you are in a financially dire straits, that is one real reason you would go to the prosecution and try to cooperate. one quick additional point about molly michael, by the way. she is present when trump makes the statement that were, if we told her nothing? could we just pretend there is nothing there? to the extent, he tried to make that a credibility battle between her, and she is there to break the tie and very persuasive action. >> harry litman, ken dilanian, michael schmidt, we appreciate you being on the program. up next, home at last. five americans detained in iran for years. today, the reunion of a lifetime after landing back on u.s. soil. the $100 million mishap what the pentagon is saying about a fighter jet it could not find after it crashed.

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early this morning, an emotional homecoming on american soil as a five americans wrongfully imprisoned in iran four years touched down at virginia. the long-awaited reunion with family and friends on the tarmac with tearful embraces, the weighting of american flags, also including posing for a group photo, and when they did that, they yelled out, freedom!

this is the u.s. half of a prisoner exchange. the u.s. police five iranian national and gave tehran access to $6 billion in oil revenue that had been frozen under u.s. sanctions. white house national security adviser jake sullivan gave us a rare look inside the plane on its journey to the u.s., and he had a caption that said, quote, welcome home. it's the $100 million question. why did it take the pentagon more than a day to locate a state-of-the-art fighter jet that went missing over south carolina? a debris field for the plane eventually found about two hours away from joint base charleston, but not before an extraordinary appeal to the public for help. officials, saying only there had been a mishap and that the pilot had safely ejected. >> reporter: are people here talking about how strange it is that a fighter jet disappeared for 24 hours? >> yes, especially when it

cost that much amount of money. that's not something that happens every day. >> she's right about that but i want to bring in nbc news correspondent courtney. look, how do you find a mishap? when you're talking about a $100 million or so piece of equipment? >> yeah, and with the military , particularly the marine corps, they define mishap and tested the very broad definition, so everything from a hard landing to what we saw here, which ultimately resulted in an aircraft crashing into the ground in the rural part of south carolina, so we really don't know what the actual mishap here was that we do know , you're right, $100 million aircraft. just for context, it's about $40,000 an hour to fly that aircraft, so everything about this, it's the most expensive weapon system the u.s. military has, but also, it's the most advanced fighter jet the u.s. military has right now, so that is why this is gaining so much

attention in the u.s. military and the fact it took 24 hours for them to even locate where this aircraft had gone down. you can see on the screen, this thing flies greater than the speed of sound, and it has a range of over 1000 miles, but one of the big questions ever since this mystery started unfolded sunday afternoon over south carolina? there was a concern about 24 hours later that it could still be flying that was put to bed just by the basic logistics of this aircraft. it doesn't have the amount -- it cannot carry enough fuel for it to have flown all that far, and it doesn't simply have to arrange for it to have flown too far, even though it was on autopilot. still, it took the u.s. military, u.s., and local authorities about 24 hours to locate it in south carolina. >> congressman nancy mace from south carolina was one of the first people . sounded very unhappy. she said, look. very frustrating they don't have any answers because public

safety is involved, as you just pointed out. they don't know the jet is in the air or under water. they could not even tell me, and this is obviously early on, whether the pilot ejected oryou did, where the pilot landed . when you talk about the price of this, this is one of the most sophisticated communications systems on anything that flies in the world , so how do you lose track of it? >> yeah, and that's another great question. early on, we were asking questions like is there some sort of stealth? we know this is one of the u.s. military's stealth capabilities. has the ability to hide from an adversary. was there something about that capability that led to the u.s. not being able to find it? we got an answer late yesterday the transponder had malfunctioned at some point early on near the time when the pilot ejected, so that may have been one of the reasons they had a hard time communicating with the aircraft, but beyond that, we really don't have any answers still. you talk to the military about it but the marine corps, they

say it's under investigation. all this will come out, but people like congresswoman mace has been critical about the level of transparency, saying that the military has not been open about but actually happened here, especially in those early hours when there was a real concern for public safety , and they did not know whether that aircraft was even in the air still, chris. >> this is not the first one. we've had several the last couple of months, right? just really serious problems with aircraft. >> yeah, and we talk specifically about marine corps aircraft. there were two deadly crashes last month, and osprey off the coast of australia that killed the marines, an f-18 near san also a u.s. marine, and does three incidents together in such a short period of time led the general character to call for safety stand down. for 48 hours, every single aircraft in the entire u.s. marine corps will stand down, the pilot, maintainers. everyone will go to her level of training, make sure there is not some threat here they can

identify that may have caused the incidents in close proximity. that safety stand down may actually extended to later this week because if you have aircraft that are deployed, that have sort of real-world emissions that are imminent, they will give them a little bit of space to complete their missions before they begin 48 hours. >> courtney kube, i know you'll keep us posted and, eventually, as you say, we will hear but happened here. thank you so much. coming up next, joe biden and donald trump, gearing up or rematch months before a single vote has been cast. how the ongoing auto workers strike is now part of the competition . you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ♪ from oakland to sac-town ♪ ♪ the bay area and back down ♪ ♪ cali is where they put their mack down, give me love! ♪ ♪ shake, shake it, baby ♪ ♪ shake it, cali ♪ ♪ oooooooooooh ♪ ♪ california love ♪

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joe biden and donald trump are gearing up for a rematch at 180 days before the first votes in the iowa caucuses, the president is on the attack, telling a packed fundraiser at a broadway theater in new york last night he is running because democracy is at stake in 2024, under attack by trump and his maga followers. the former president, though, is blatantly challenging biden for his base, striking uaw workers in a key battleground state of michigan, and as new reporting today that trump is planning a prime time speech to union workers, going right up against the second republican presidential primary debate. joining me now, nbc's shaquille brewster was in toledo, ohio. tim, former communications

director for jeb bush and msnbc political analyst. shaq, but we know about trump's plant speech , and have we heard anything from the uaw? >> reporter: the uaw essay that trump campaign has not reached out to them in any formal way for arrangements around this speech but we don't know many details about the speech from the trump campaign aside from but you have been saying , this is essentially going to be counterprogramming for the second republican president of the bay, so that gives us a time and specific date and a rough time. i will tell you, i've been talking to some workers up here about the prospect of former president trump going to detroit to lend his support or at least talk to workers, and the main idea that you're getting is they will take support from wherever they will get it, whether that's a democrat or republican, but i do want to pull out one specific conversation i had with one of the striking workers that shows you the political lines here are not as clear-cut as you may think. listen here. >> it would be nice if they

were actually out here doing it instead of just four votes. >> reporter: who you are thinking about when you say that? >> trump? he did not support as before back when he was president. neither did biden. biden is the one who forced the big three to go electric, i think it's just four votes. >> reporter: a push for electric vehicles , that make the critical of the president? >> yes, it does. >> reporter: that last point shows that president biden has some skepticism among union members as well. many of them, skeptical of the move and transition to electric vehicles that are funded in large part by the inflation reduction act. we do know the president has said that he was sending out white house official to detroit to help out with negotiations. uaw pushed back on that, and we learned in the past couple

of minutes that the senior adviser and acting labor secretary are no longer coming to detroit at least this week. instead, white house officials said they will engage virtually on the and will continue to work the phones. it shows you the political dynamics here are not as clear- cut as you may think on first blush at first blush, chris. >> that is such an interesting interview, shaq. thank you for that. add to that, that breaking news we just got but we went to shaq, which is that president biden said he was going to dispatch gene sperling, a senior adviser, the acting labor secretary to go help with the uaw negotiations. now, they are saying they can do it virtually? but can we make of that? >> it doesn't sound like a great side. it's hard to know but. maybe they are worried having biden my politicized things and having it be remote would be better. it's interesting to see but the white house has to say.

this is a problem biden is in. here, there is policy results that he needs to get these guys to an agreement . he needs to show he's on the side of the workers. that is challenging. but donald trump has to do is not as challenging, right? because the woman that shaq interviewed, that was interesting, but i don't know if donald trump is actually speaking to the uaw workers in michigan, right? he's just trying to use his marketing skills to signal to working-class folks everywhere in the country, the white working class, his base that i'm going to go be on these people side. he does not need to get to an actual result. he has said it would big business a lot of times that he does not need to do that. he is a pretend present out of mar-a-lago. all he has to do is the marketing side, so the challenge is bigger for biden. >> he's got a new radio ad out and aimed at michigan at directly those autoworkers. i will play just a piece of a. >> biden? he's turned his back on the autoworkers cutting a deal that uses american tax dollars to help fund china's electric car business. that's a stake in the heart or

american auto markers, and they can count on president trump to change that. >> that's a very deep voice delivering that ad, but to the first point, again, the woman that shaq talked to, electric vehicles are a tricky, tricky part of this whole thing. >> yeah, so again, back to trump is the marketer. the marketing side of that is pretty good. he is finding a fissure with biden's own base, the inverse but we were talking about ukraine, where there is a fissure in the republican party. the substance is wrong, so this is where biden and democrats need to fight him on this could be electric cars, there are a lot of new plants being built all over america, a lot of new manufacturing jobs. biden needs to lead into that and make the argument that actually, our infrastructure bill is creating more jobs here, not in china. >> tim, there may be a smaller

number of people who are at this actual debate that trump is counterprogramming next to. this time, at this point, it looks like there might be six, obviously not trump. he is not going to go. there we see the folks who were up there. but is it like to try to run when everybody else is treating donald trump at the presumptive nominee? >> yeah, this is -- to call this the kids' table would be kind to this debate at this point. if you look at the first debate and the polling averages, it is like a flat line, like somebody died. it did not change anything, did not help, hurt anybody. nikki haley went up by two points. nobody has gone up at all. desantis has gone down a couple points i don't think republican voters are engaging with this at all. it's kind of irrelevant. >> no surprise from you, we heard from joe biden in front of that crowd. he knows but's going to get those potential donors , actual donors. >> cricket about broadway

fundraisers. i think that is where hillary did the deplorable thing. it helps motivate his base, but just because donald trump's winning overwhelmingly, and it's not like one of these other old primaries where, you know, maybe mccain and 'away. it's been a stable race now for many months with the only change being ron desantis losing altitude gradually. there is no reason to think he'll have a been appointed besides donald trump. >> tim miller, great to have you here in person. we color coordinated, so that's another nice part of that. we commented on that as you came in thank you for that. the big voting move in battleground pennsylvania, and why it could be key in 2024. later, free speech for a fee. white x owner elon musk said the former twitter platform will start charging you nurse

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. the star power of the kennedy name today, brought once again to the family's profiles in courage award. u.s. ambassador to australia caroline kennedy and her son, jack schlossberg announcing this year's recipients, honoring their dad and grand dad, the late president, john f. kennedy. >> this year we're celebrating five state senators from south carolina, senator senn, shealy, matthews, mcclod, and gustavsson who took a stand to protect rights. they represent all the female senators in the state senate. they're from different political parties and have different views on the issue of abortion.

but they came together and they stuck together and it wasn't easy. they faced personal and political attacks and intense opposition. but they stuck together to protect individual rights. they came at great political risk for each of these senators, some of whom are facing primary challenges. this was not an easy issue to take on, but they thought it was important enough to fight. >> president kennedy wrote profiles in courage to highlight political leaders who defied popular opinion sometime or pressure to do what they felt was right, even as they faced that severe criticism. recently, ambassador kennedy and her son re-created one mile of the three-mile swim that jfk made in the solomon islands to rescue fellow sailors while serving in the navy in world war ii. we have a lot to cover in our second hour. let's get right to it. at this