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>> reporter: now chris, as zelenskyy said, ukrainian officials have two big fears. the first for older children indoctrination and the second for the youngest children is they may be too young, too vulnerable and disappear into the system. the window to rescue them you closing. >> molly hunter, thank you. watch "saving nikita" on nbcnews.com. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. here on msnbc. katy tur reports starts right now. >> good to be with you. unga news including president zelenskyy and biden's push to continue support for ukraine, which by the way, is a message that might be directed more towards capitol hill than anywhere else in the world. speaking of capitol hill we have to start with a major piece of news that just broke in the last couple hours.
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house republicans have pulled their vote on the compromised budget proposal that the house freedom caucuses and the main street caucus came to. it is yet another sign that speaker kevin mccarthy does not have and perhaps cannot get control of his majority. there are now eight working days left to fund the government. if there is no deal, the lights shut off. that means hundreds of thousands of federal employees are at risk of losing a paycheck or many, depending on how long it lasts. it means hundreds of thousands of others who rely on federal workers or contracts are also left wondering where their money will come from. it means the economy, which is doing well right now, might stutter or spin out. it means legislation stops. it means washington does not work. so why can't the house gop get it together? what will it take to regain control? does speaker mccarthy survive?
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if not, who else can get the votes necessary? the congressman from bakersfield has proven to be a survivor so far a. is his attack of confronting his holdouts, daring them to try to oust him, going to work? what exactly do they even want? by they, i also mean matt gaetz. joining us is capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. what happened to this bill? why did it get pulled? >> well, i think you probably have to ask yourself the question as to what they're saying publicly and then juxtapose that next to what's actually happened behind closed doors. what kevin mccarthy, the speaker, is telling us publicly is that they're still talking and doesn't want to put a bill on the floor that isn't fully baked when there's the opportunity for compromise that may lead to the 218 votes that he needs. now, that is in complete, you know -- a difference from what
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he was telling his members in their closed door conference this morning when he suggested that he was just going to put bills on the floor whether or not they had the chance to pass. at this point they're still talking. a group of members just came out of top members office, in charge of the whip operation, and we see house freedom caucus members and moderates showing signs perhaps there's a compromise in the offing. it's important to point out when we have the conversations, getting 218 republican votes isn't enough to prevent the government from being shut down. this version of a continuing resolution, basically a stop-gap measure to keep the government alive, will 1/2 pass the united states senate and will never be signed into law by president biden. so this is a necessary evil, something that has to happen for this process to move forward. we're still a long way away from averting a government crisis. >> what about the defense part of the bill, the d.o.d. rule? >> reporter: the speaker indicated perhaps that may come
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up for a vote sooner than later. more bipartisan consensus on that particular bill. all the spending cuts that house republicans have talked about, have been separate from the d.o.d. funding bill. that's still a possibility. there is the chance that rest of the government shuts down but the pentagon stays open. we're not to that point yet. they're not to the point where they started the procedural motions in that regard. there is still that possibility and that's what speaker has decided to do is reshuffle the order and go d.o.d. first and continuing resolution second. we're not to the point where that process is even under way. >> john, reading punch bowl seemed like a lot game down to matt gaetz and a grudge he had. is that still the case and also just tell us what's going on with matt gaetz? why does he have it in for speaker mccarthy? >> yeah. they have a real [ inaudible ] relationship gaetz has attacked mccarthy publicly, has suggested that mccarthy is behind an
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ethics committee investigation of the florida republican. remember, gaetz was under investigation on a criminal probe, part of a sex traffic investigation, and was never charged. [ inaudible ] the justice department ended that investigation, but the ethics committee is looking into issues related to that same matter. now, mccarthy awaits republican members of the ethics committee, his contention is that mccarthy, they don't get along, pushed the ethics committee to investigate him. mccarthy says it's not true, but they have a real bad relationship. in fact, one reporter found a copy of a procedural resolution in the bathroom that says gaetz wanted to go to the floor and try to get mccarthy kicked out as speaker. i mean, that's where it is. he actually found a copy of this resolution in the bathroom and posted a photo of it. so that's where we stand right
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now. >> so -- go ahead. >> mccarthy barely got there in january and a lot don't like him as speaker. >> is a goal to force a shutdown in order to remove him? >> that's what we reported on this morning. there are some members who would like to use that crisis, like gaetz, use a crisis of a government shutdown to argue, look, mccarthy is failing at his job as speaker, we should replace him and trying to help bring the crisis along. as ryan points out, even if house republicans pass a bill, that doesn't mean the state is going to agree to it and that the president will sign. it we're a long way from that. one other thing i like to point out when you say the defense bill, if they don't pass a defense bill and there's no guarantee they can, like if ere's a shutdown, the tro don't getaid unless congress passes listion separately to they would be -- federal workers, including the military, do not get paid.
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>> but ryan makes a good point here which is that even if they are able to pass this bill, it is dead on arrival in the senate. what are we doing? i mean why not pass something that -- i mean i get if you want to start a negotiating position with the senate but there are few days left before we get to a government shutdown and this is not a long-term bill either. why mess around here? >> well, i think, you know, the biggest reason is, katy, they can't get something passed. house freedom caucus members have made it very clear that they are not in favor of continuing resolutions and feel continuing resolutions are part the problem here in washington and that they want ge to happen immediately. the problem ishey've run out of time to the things they want to do they wanted this all de through regular order, all 12 appropriations bills bro to the floor up for debate and amendment and passed through on that interestingly enough the senat has started that process. they p all 12 of their appropriations bills through their committees at least.
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so this is basically the purity test that's under way with the house freedom caucus and the conservatives on the republican side they would argue it's not their fault that kevin mccarthy has boxed himself into a corner and is now in a situation where he's running out of time to get he's in anything passed and not going to capitulate on something they feel strongly about, the continuing resolutions. that's why if you have any hope of getting some conservative votes on a continuing resolution it has to be loaded with issues related to the border and other issues that senate democrats and house democrats for that matter are not going to go along with. that's the push and pull that kevin mccarthy has been dealing with from the very beginning. also i would point out another side part of all of this is, don't go looking for democrats to bail the speaker out. they're frustrated by the fact that when they found an avenue to work together during the debt ceiling negotiations, he comes out of the recess and the first thing he does is launch an
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impeachment inquiry. that didn't make democrats happy. to a certain extent even though you have the government funding to the 11th hour you have so many competing factions butting heads in a perfect storm. it's going to be really difficult for them to find a way out of this. >> yeah. what gives when we get to the shutdown itself, what gives after that? john and ryan, thank you very much. and evan was in court this morning. appealed for his release. the court denied his motion which means "the wall street journal" reporter will remain in moscow's harsh prison until at least november 30th. ger covich was arrested on espionage charges in march. the russian government has provided no evidence to support the charges alleging it is classified.
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the u.s. argues he's being wrongfully detained. he's the first american reporter to face espionage charges in russia since 1986. up next, weaponizing food, energy and even kids. what ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy just accused russia of doing. what the uaw is promising it will do by the end of the week if the big three don't come back to the negotiating table with a serious offer. debris from an f-35 turns up in a field a day after the pentagon was asking the public for help finding it. what happened? we're back in 60 seconds. onds ♪i'm hearing different ways for me to screen for colon cancer.♪ ♪it's time to use my voice,♪ ♪i've got a choice, more than one answer.♪ ♪i sat down with my doc.♪ we had a talk. ♪knew just what to say.♪ ♪i asked for cologuard and did it my way.♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur.
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ask your provider for cologuard. ♪i did it my way!♪ . on the world stage at the u.n. general assembly ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy asked the world to hold the line against russia in a renewed plea for additional international support, calling russia's actions an unnatural disaster of global proportions. >> this is clearly a genocide
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when hatred is weaponized against one nation, it never stops there. this is a real chance for every nation to ensure that aggression against your state if it happens, god forbid, will end, not because your land will be divided and you will be forced to submit to military or political pressure, but because your territory and sovereignty will be fully restored. i am aware of the attempts to make some shady dealings behind the scenes. evil cannot be trusted. ask prigozhin. >> president zelenskyy will make a personal appeal to congress on thursday where he will address a number of lawmakers concerned with the price tag that comes along with funding ukraine's offensive. joining us from kharkiv chief
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foreign correspondent richard engel. president zelenskyy today was blunt. he spoke in no uncertain terms what russia is doing, what russia is doing to ukrainian children, and warned the nation or the world really, that it's not going to stop at ukraine. we've heard a lot of this before. he was certainly emphatic. is that message being heard with the same emphasis around the world? is the urgency still there? >> well, i think the urgency is felt by president zelenskyy to make his message even clearer and to deliver it even more loudly. president zelenskyy is clearly worried that international support is dwindling and i think that's why he, in that clip you played, he said to the member states who are present, the representatives in the room, be careful. don't go into a back door dealing with vladimir putin. he can't be trusted. look what happened to evgeni
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prigozhin the wagner leader widely presumed to have been killed on a plane by putin's assassins. i feels that backdoor, back room dealings are potentially in the offing, and he's nervous about that. that's why he's trying to make this appeal, don't accept it. don't accept false promises. how would you like your country to be divided after you've been forced militarily or politically to the negotiating table. i think that he's speaking strongly, but he's speaking strongly out of a sense of concern that ukraine hasn't felt before. a year ago when they were making tremendous progress on the battlefield all over the world you saw people flying ukrainian flags out of their windows, heard ukrainian songs and charity events. a lot of those things have stopped and the ukrainians are not making the same kind of lightening advances on the battlefield and they're worried somebody might be tempted into
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accepting a deal on russian terms. >> we spoke about general milley saying there's about a month left before the -- for the ukrainians to ramp up the counter offensive, to turn things around. what are you seeing there now? >> it's hard to see that anything could change dramatically the way things are going right now in a month and a half. now that is an incredibly dangerous thing to say. it could change tomorrow. but the fighting is advancing very slowly. we were in a front line village just the other day. a town called chessvar. i've been to this town many times before. it is right next to bakhmut, very close to the front lines, some of the front lines goes through the town. and the shelling was intense. most of the homes in the town were destroyed. there were 13,000 people there initially. now there's only 900. the people are terrified.
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they seem to be in a state of kind of shell shock. but they're staying there. they're staying because they don't want to leave. they don't want to surrender the village to occupying russian forces. so this country is feeling bruised and battered, but still very determined. i think that's what president zelenskyy was trying to deliver today to the world. ukrainians haven't given up on themselves don't give up on ukrainians yet because it wouldn't be a fair deal and would uproot the entire international system and maybe put other nations at risk as well. >> richard engel from kharkiv, thank you very much. joining us now is former congresswoman and president of the wilson center, jane harman, chair of the freedom house board of trustees. good to have you. president zelenskyy, again, is trying to urge the world not to abandon them, to keep on helping them fight this fight. but he could have very well been speaking to the american
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congress. the house right now has a proposed bill they pulled, we started the show with it, that doesn't have funding for ukraine in it, the house republican version of the budget bill. what is it going to take for president zelenskyy or biden for that matter or leaders in the republican party to convince house members funding the war is worth it? >> well, president biden was very effective this morning before the u.n. and this was one of the four topics he touched. others were china and the need to restore our alliances and reach for the global south. it's a hard sell, but i'm more optimistic i think, than some because the ukrainians are hanging in there. it's their fight and they are losing, they are suffering many casualties, losing some villages, but hanging on. i wish we could supply weapons faster. it's time to give ukraine
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whatever we can, and i hope we do, but the u.s., in spite of this budget meltdown on the hill we you were reporting on, has supplied more than half the funding of nato, which is still rock solid, in favor of ukraine and exposed more than we are to any kind of russian aggression. there's one thing. but also, i predict that somehow we'll get this funding through. i don't know what it's going to look like. it's a messy process, and kevin mccarthy looks pretty weak, but there are lots of republicans on the hill who want to fund and continue to fund the ukraine war, including some in mccarthy's leadership in the house. >> is there a limit? we heard richard talk about the counter offensive and we've heard general milley say they have a month and a half to turn it around while the weather is still good. is there a limit for u.s. and international support? is there a time when this is in a stalemate for too long or are
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the stakes of abandoning them too high? is zelenskyy right when president putin won't stop at ukraine, he will go to poland and drag the world into world war iii? >> i think he is right. let's remember the u.n. charter and most countries of the world are present in new york right now, not the other four countries with veto power in the security council, that's an opportunity for biden and seems to me zelenskyy to pitch their cause, but the u.n. charter is based on respect for the sovereignty of each nation. russia signed that charter. i mean the hypocrisy that russia not only signed that charter but agreed if ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, something zelenskyy mentioned, in 1994 it would be protected is retie lent. if russia, quote, wins or thinks it doesn't lose in ukraine, sure it would advance.
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why wouldn't it advance? we should be doing what president biden is strongly supporting, shoring up nato, i applaud the countries of nato who are really vigilant, especially the eastern european countries who get it that russia is on their borders. finland was neutral until a few months ago when it joined nato. 800 mile border with russia. and look at sweden. total history of neutrality. hopefully will be admitted soon to nato. wants to be admitted. some objections by hungary and turkey are preventing that. i think, you know, the -- as jack keane, former four-star general says, u.s. generals should not be chirping about how this war is going. look at the ukrainians whose will to fight is their absolute strongest weapon. >> let me ask you, is there anything left on the table the u.s. can do that we're not doing? >> yeah. supplying more advanced weapons, hope that training for advanced
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air goes faster. longer range missiles. i think we can. i mean, the russians have finally fortified the ground and have a human amount of lines and boundaries against an advance by ukrainian soldiers but they're still trying to do it and there are opportunities, hopefully, to plea below up the land bridge between russia and crimea, which is how russia is sourcing this war in crimea. the ukrainians have been attacking both in russia and in crimea, which to remind is still part of ukraine, and i support that. that's where the bases are that are attacking ukraine. i think there is still time left when the winter comes, it is much harder, but advanced weapons can make up for some of that. as i said before, the ukrainian will to fight, the fierceness of
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them, not just their president, but the ukrainian people, and their ability to take these horrible casualties and as zelenskyy said, even watching some of their kids being kidnapped and, you know, he said tens of thousands or maybe 100,000 kids in russia now, which is why putin has been indicted for war crimes, couldn't be more painful and yet they endure. bravo ukraine. the world better be paying attention. >> the ukrainian kids abducted to hate ukraine, being brainwashed to hate ukraine. jane harman, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, the uaw says it can pay its striking workers for the next three months but can our economy hold on for that long? what was happening in the skies over south carolina when an f-35 went missing for a day after its pilot ejected? t eject? not the other way.
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autoworkers have waited long enough to make things right at the big three. we're not waiting around and we're not messing around. noon on friday, september 22nd, is a new deadline. >> uaw president shawn fain is giving the big three until friday at noon to come to the table with an acceptable offer or face more walkouts. right now the union is targeting just three factories in
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michigan, ohio and missouri, in a strategic work stoppage. ford, general motors and stellantis say the shutdown has tripped up the industry supply chain and they will continue negotiations in good faith. while the white house says a team will video chat with both sides this week hoping to help them to an agreement, donald trump who warned workers the auto companies could send their jobs to mexico, says he will skip the next republican debate to address union workers in person. joining us from toledo, ohio, shaquille brewster. what is the latest? >> reporter: hi there, katy. no deal. that's the top line at this point. excuse me. there's no deal. that's the top line that you're hearing. you hear signs of progress. that's what you're hearing from shawn fain. when he announced that new date of this friday at noon, he essentially said if there is no progress you can see the strike expand and hear the horns of support behind me.
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you hear that they have a deejay to encourage the striking workers. one thing that you're hearing and the message you hear from them, they're not leaving until they get what they believe is a strong and fair contract. listen to what one worker told me today and how he put it. >> they have to be a little more easier on negotiations. i mean, i don't think that my union is asking for anything unfair. i think the company needs to bend a little bit and make some sort of agreement. we're just not -- we're not going to settle for anything less. >> reporter: katy, we know the sticking points here and one idea, one sense that you get these are persistent sticking points, when you hear from the executives, hear from the uaw, they're all talking about offers that were exchanged before the start of the strike. we know that uaw wants a 40% pay increase. the automakers are offering about a 21% pay increase over
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the course of four years. the idea of tiers, that you have people on the line making ffent wages doing the same job. a lot of people here want that to end. retirement is a big sticking point. there's no clear sign that there is progress, despite the fact that you hear both sides are at the table, that offers are being exchanged and collective bargaining is still ongoing. >> it is tuesday. we have a few more days to go. shaq brewster, thank you very much. the white house is going to be having a zoom, a team zooming with both sides to negotiate. donald trump will be going there in person person. the subject of donald trump, abc news reporting for sources familiar one of donald trump's ex-assistants told investigators he repeatedly wrote to-do lists for her on documents with classified markings. nbc news has not confirmed the reporting. we have reached out to donald trump's team for comment. a spokesperson for the former president did tell abc news the report, quote, lacks proper context and relevant
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information, and that president trump is it nothing wrong. joining us is legal analyst and former new york prosecutor charles coleman who is joining us from his car because, lo and behold, he got stuck in unga traffic. no use getting in a car in new york city this week, my friend. let's talk about donald trump. and let's talk about what this assistant says according to abc news. this idea that he's writing to-do lists on the back of classified documents and handing them to her, if that is true and which she testified to and the prosecutors can prove it, is it damming? >> katy, this is news that could not have come at a worst time for donald trump. i think that at a minimum, it affirms a pattern of conduct that we have been seeing with respect to donald trump and his lackadaisical attitude around the united states national security and our secrets. i think it's important to understand that even if donald trump isn't necessarily investigated on this, it is a
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type thing that could play into the narrative around his lackadaisical attitude in terms of securing our secrets and ultimately used by the prosecution at some point when it comes to mar-a-lago and the other things he's charged about regarding documents that have not been handled appropriately. >> okay. donald trump's team says this lacks proper context. there is context you can think of that would make this okay? >> no. there isn't. a to-do list on a document that has classified markings, there is no context there necessary that would allow for donald trump to provide a to-do list to someone who did not have the appropriate security clearances to look at that. now, the only context that we do not have is more about who this person was, their role, the purpose for them fulfilling the to-do list, but none of that would change from a legal standpoint. donald trump's ability to provide classified information
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or a classified document with his markings to someone working in the administration sends a number of other check points. that does not change the equation whatsoever. >> charles coleman, thank you so much. sorry you got stuck in traffic and hope your journey out of the city is easier than coming in. thanks for your time. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. on another subject, rudy giuliani's lawyer is suing him for unpaid legal fees. we had speculated or talked about how he had all these legal fees overdue a while back when he was looking for a lawyer to represent him down in fulton county. what does it mean now that this past lawyer is saying not only do i want my money back, i want it back now, and i'm filing a lawsuit against you? >> this is pretty stunning because robert costello has been rudy giuliani's lawyer since 2019 but known each other for 50 years.
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to see this kind of break between these two men is remarkable. rudy giuliani has issued a statement to the associated press saying he's hurt by what mr. costello hose done here. but costello is saying rudy owes him more than $1.3 million in unpaid legal fees for his representation in a variety of criminal investigations, starting with the southern district of new york, the jack smith special counsel, and the atlanta case, and also ten civil cases including that defamation case by the atlanta election workers who say that rudy defamed them. this is just kind of the latest example of how the man that we used to call america's mayor, has really sort of facing financial and personal ruin. now he's gone to donald trump and asked trump to help defray his legal costs and trump had a fundraiser that was supposed to raise a million dollars but apparently that money did not get to robert costello, at least according to the lawsuit, and he
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is suing his former client he's no longer representing, raising the question of who is going to represent rudy giuliani going forward. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. coming up next, how did a u.s. fighter jet go missing for more than a day, and it why is the marines corps grounding all flights? it was an emotional reunion, of course, it was, on the tarmac this morning when five american prisoners were back on u.s. soil reunited with their loved ones after years of detention in iran. we were there for the reunion. don't go anywhere. n'dot go anywhere. slicing their deli meats fresh. that's why they're proferred ,by this pro who won the superbowl twice. and this pro with the perfect slice. and if we profer it, we know america will too. what about spaniards? and i guess spain. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health
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the five american prisoners held in iran are now finally back home. they landed early this morning at a military airfield just south of washington, d.c. to families that had been waiting to see them for years. in exchange, the u.s. released five nonviolent iranian prisoners and unfroze $6 billion in oil revenue for humanitarian needs. white house correspondent gabe gutierrez was just outside the base when the americans got back. >> reporter: overnight, five americans locked up for years in iran, finally touching down on u.s. soil, stepping off their plane here at fort belvoir army base in virginia and embracing
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relatives after a harrowing journey. >> i just can't believe it. >> reporter: prisoner siamak namazi's brother speaking after their reunion. >> we've been apart for eight years and finally we're together and it's just completely unbelievable. >> reporter: the prisoners first boarded a charter plane in tehran. hours later landed in doha. some of them seen smiling. three of them all dual iranian american citizens sharing an embrace. they walked into the terminal. >> i spoke to them after they landed in doha. i can tell you that it was, for them, for me, an emotional conversation. >> reporter: siamak namazi, who the u.s. says was arrested on false espionage charges writing for almost eight years i have been dreaming of this day. adding he can't wait to get to an apple store. i am dying to find out what gadgets now exist. >> he's missed eight years of
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his life. he wants to get married and have kids. >> reporter: still the swap is controversial. in addition to the u.s. and iran exchanging five prisoners, the biden administration unlocking $6 billion in iranian money frozen by u.s. sanctions and the white house says iran can only use it for things like food and medicine with the u.s. officials approaching each transaction. iran's president told lester holt last week. >> translator: we will decide, the islamic republic of iran, will decide to spend it wherever we need it. >> reporter: republicans arguing the money was essentially a ransom. >> joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. we had john kirby on yesterday and i believe we have this sound bite but he said that money, it's not cash going into the pockets of the iranians, that it's going to be carefully watched. do we have that sound bite? let's play it. >> there's a fundamental misunderstanding the regime will
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never get to touch the money. they can make a request for certain humanitarian products, medical supplies, food, agriculture, and we will supervise a process which vendors will procure that material and deliver it into iran, so the people that will really benefit are the iranian people who, of course, we have no beef with. >> they're not getting cash. >> they're not getting cash. is that distinction being made by republicans on the hill is it. >> not really. the criticism has been swift and sounds like this from across the republican conference. watch. >> they're not the most trustworthy people in the world, and so to give them money, too, to enhance what they're doing, their nuclear arsenal is not very satisfying. >> this is a new low, but we're all about new lows here. >> this administration has supported iran because of them, and iran is going to have nuclear missile capabilities soon. >> the deal that secured their release may be the latest
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example of president biden rewarding and incentivizing tehran's bad behavior. >> reporter: hearing there from senator mitch mcconnell and others, is the fact that there is a concern within republican ranks that this is something that could underscore that the u.s. can be bargained with in terms of trading hostages for money or things with money equivalents. while kirby makes the distinction this isn't cash forked over to the iranians, that's not translating on the hill as republicans continue to criticize the move. >> ali, want to ask you about something that happened a couple moments ago. we were talking about the republicans' inability to pass anything. mccarthy's inability to get his conference under control. we were talking about the d.o.d. defense part of this billion. it has failed, 212-214. five conservative republicans voting against it. help us understand what happened. >> look, you know it's bad when
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republicans are even struggling amongst themselves to pass military and defense funding. this was supposed to be one of the easier funding bills for them. it's why mccarthy put it on the floor. there's a little bit of a sense that because there are things that are so stalemated right now within the republican conference there might have been upside to just putting out these votes and letting them fail. now that is exactly what we saw just in the last few minutes before i came to this camera. speaker mccarthy was walking down this hall and asked if this makes things only more difficult for the continuing resolution they're trying to pass on government funding writ large. he said yes. at the same time it puts these five members in the position to have to explain why they voted against, in this case, narrowly looking at funding for the military and for defense. now i will say, if you look at some of the names, people like ralph norman of south carolina voted this way because they're hoping to keep the pressure on leadership to give them more of
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the information about top line numbers, the total numbers that are going to be attached to each of these 12 appropriation bills. all of this is meant to increase leverage for the few conservative, 1 or 18, that have problems with the continuing resolution. everything is related back to that and we're watching the d.o.d. vote fall. >> andy biggs, matt rosen dale, all voted against it. thank you very much. coming up, the mystery of the missing u.s. fighter jet. what we now know happened. jet at we now know happened. oh yeah, that is them. (that is howard) yeah, that's on howard's campus. ohhh, she's so powerful, she carried on the family legacy. we were blown away. (chuckles) i not only was a student and an undergrad, but i've been a professor there for twenty years, so it's really a special moment to know that i had a family member who over a hundred years prior have walk these grounds. it's deeply uplifting. yes, it is.
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run with us and start telling yours. are people here talking about how strange it is that a fighter jet disappeared for 24 hours? >> yes. especially if it cost that much amount of money, yeah. that's not something that happens every day. >> not a cheap thing to lose. the pentagon says it did find, though, a debris field in south carolina that they think belongs in the missing f-35 but officials are still not saying exactly what went wrong. joining us is nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. when you look at the picture and the giant gash it made in the ground you can imagine it was probably because of the f-35. look at that. i had kirby on talking about this yesterday and listen, it is intended to be a stealth fighter. it's intended not to be detected. but this seems like even for the pentagon, it's a little confusing how they could lose it
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and not tell us why the guy ejected. still this far out. >> exactly. i mean all they're doing is calling it at this point a mishap which has a very broad definition. >> yeah. >> when the military calls an aircraft mishap. everything from a hard landing to whatter with seeing now in the field in rural south carolina. we do know a little bit more since yesterday about where some of the communication breakdown may have been. a u.s. official told us late yesterday that the transponder was malfunctioning so that may be indicative of one of the reasons they had a hard time tracking it down for so long. it may give us a window into why the pilot ejected. was there some sort of larger electrical problem on the aircraft that led to that, the pilot deciding to eject. but the reality is, we still don't know the answers to that, katy. >> broadly, the pentagon is now grounding a lot of their aircraft because they've had a number of accidents or near fatal accidents.
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what's going on there? >> yeah. that's right. it's all marine corps aircraft. it's called a safety stand down. it's relatively common whether you have a string of incidents or accidents. the army actually did something similar earlier this year when they had a couple deadly helicopter crashes specifically. what this means the acting commandant of the marine corps decided all marine aircraft will be grounded and the pilots, maintainers, everyone associated with that will go through some training and look to see if there's any thread between the f-35 incident and two deadly crashes last month, one in the u.s. and one off the coast of australia. >> courtney, thank you very much. coming up next, prime minister justin trudeau accuses india of killing a sikh activist on canadian soil. what india's response is to the allegations. next. response is to the allegations. next ah ♪ ♪ i'm with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪
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over the past number of weeks canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credibility allegations of a potential link between agents of the government of india and the killing of a canadian citizen hardeep singh niijar. >> justin trudeau says his government is investigating an accusation that connects the indian government to the murder of a sikh activist leader on canadian soil. according to investigators
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hardeep singh niijar was shot dead outside a sikh temple in british columbia this past june in an ambush by masked men. joining us is foreign correspondent meghan fitzgerald. this is a big deal, two countries that have diplomatic relations and they are part of the g-7. they were just meeting the other day. this is a big allegation from justin trudeau. >> yeah. you're absolutely right. at this point we're seeing these tensions rise. we're seeing what you could call a tit-for-tat or appears to be that way. monday canada expelled a top diplomat and today india responded in kind expelling a canadian diplomat. india accusing canada of meddling in its internal affairs. it appears to be a situation where the tensions between the two countries are starting to rise. of course, all of this is coming less than 24 hours after canada's prime minister justin trudeau announced in parliament that his intelligence agencies have been investigating what he
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is calling credible allegations that india's government may have been linked to the killing of a sikh leader in june. for context here, this leader was a strong supporter of a movement that calls for a sikh homeland. keep in mind, this is a movement that's banned in india. the government sees this as a threat to their national security. now trudeau says that he spoke face to face with modi, the prime minister of india, about the investigation last week at the g-20 meetings, and he continues to push a strong message. take a listen to what he had to say. >> we wanted to make sure that we fully shared with the government of india the seriousness and the depths of our occupations and conclusions. but canadians have a right to node and need to know when things are going on like this. >> trudeau says canada is working with its allies and
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called on india to fully cooperate with this investigation and to try to get to the truth of the matter, but as you mentioned india has responded by calling these allegations, katy, absurd. >> meghan fitzgerald from london, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a president grappling with the health of democracy here at home and abroad, both in public and behind closed doors today. in his third speech before the united nations this morning president joe biden called on world leaders to, quote, bend the arc of history for the good of the world. watch. >> while we still struggle to uphold equal and inalienable rights of all, they remain ever steady and ever true, we cannot turn away from

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