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ways that matter to people's lives. >> president biden vows to defend democracy abroad and at home, where he warned that trump and maga republicans are determined to destroy it. also tonight, on national voter registration day, pennsylvania makes it much easier to register to vote. as a truly stunning number of election deniers are now overseeing the vote in their states. and with the clock ticking towards a possible government shutdown, a new setback today for kevin mccarthy, who has completely lost control of the republican caucus, if he ever had it at all. but we begin tonight with the crisis of american democracy. on the world stage. now, if you're in new york, you may have noticed the traffic jams and street closures. the type of gridlock that can only mean the united nations general assembly has kicked off in the city. world leaders have arrived raising the alarm on the world's

most pressing issues, war, the climate crisis, just to name a few. it's one of those days where you realize what leading, what presidenting actually involves. and how the role when done correctly means calling for unity over crises like russia and ukraine, with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy addressing fellow world leaders in his first in-person visit since the invasion of his country began. it also means the tense navigation of foreign policy, where lives are at stake. ahead of today's remarks by the iranian president, iran and the u.s., longtime antagonists, struck a rare deal. five americans detained in iran are now free. they made their return to u.s. soil early this morning. the release was part of a prisoner exchange agreement that will grant titehran access to oil revenues previously frozen. leaders issued dire warnings

about climate change. >> we see it everywhere. record-breaking heat waves in the united states and china. wildfires ravaging north america and southern europe. a fifth year of drought in the horn of africa. tragic, tragic flooding in libya. my heart goes out to the people of libya. it's killed thousands of people. >> the u.n. is gathering as the city of derna in eastern libya is still counting its dead after devastating floods struck more than a week ago. experts say the storm was more likely to occur and more intense because of human caused climate change. the world health organization and the u.n. say 4,000 deaths have so far been reported. these are crises that are urgent. hard to resolve, and which impact literally the entire world. and yet, republicans in maga world continue to trivialize them. climate change, a hoax. bringing detained americans

home? slammed by twice impeached former president who did nothing to free them during his time in office and whose iran policy was an abjacket failure. allocated aid to fight putin? no, let's focus on a bogus plot to impeach biden. it's part of their more nefarious plot to dismantle democracy. a crisis biden challenged on the world stage. >> will we find within ourselves the courage to do what must be done? to preserve the planet, to protect human dignity, to provide opportunity for people everywhere, and to defend the tenants of the united nations. there can only be one answer to that question. we must, and we will. >> these are big presidential priorities, epic, historic. and it helps to have an adult in the room. it is a timely reminder that a president is not someone who entertains you on tv. the threat to of democracy at

home remains serious, but as tom nichols writes in the atlantic, americans are sleep walking through this national emergency, and that includes democrats and the media. he says, quote, democrats and their liberal allies claim to be in full mobilization mode to stop trump and defang his threat to the constitutional order, but are they? how much more hand wringing will they do over biden's age, over whether he's doing enough for climate change or to forgive student loans? how many more times will trump's opponents in the pro-democracy coalition internalize the right's criticisms about inflation, about spending, about gasoline, and respond to them as if republicans care one wit about policy. because of course, they don't. the modern day republican party has only one principle left, to be re-elected by any means necessary so they hold on to power. which is exactly why president biden sounded the alarm once again on our biggest crisis yet, saying in a fund-raiser last

night, quote, in 2024, democracy is on the ballot once again. and let there be no question, donald trump and his maggie republicans are determined to destroy american democracy and i will always defend, protect, and fight for our democracy. that is why i'm running. biden has improved america's standing in the world, but donald trump is threatening to blow it all up. all over again. joining me now is david rothkoff and tara setmayer, senior adviser to the lincoln project and former republican communications director. thank you both for being here. david, i want to read a little more of this tom nichols piece, which i think was quite good, to and he writes the following in the atlantic. america is in a state of emer yet few of its citizens seem to realize it. for example, a single senator, y tumorville of atlanta, has been holding up hundreds of mita promotions for months, endangering the national security ofhe united states.

they say it will take years for the navy to recover from the damage. welcome news no doubt in beijing. few people outside of america's senior military leadership seem particularly concerned. what do you make of the state of our democracy as it stands on the world stage and biden's representation and defense of it? >> well, i think the world knows that democracy in the united states is in a more fragile state than it has been in any of our lifetimes or that donald trump and the people around donald trump represent that threat. and they could return to power. having said that, they also know who joe biden is. joe biden ran about defending democracy. when he speaks in private to democratic donors he speaks of defending democracy. when he gets on the world stage, he talks about defending democracy. he takes steps to defend democracy against trump's

friends like vladimir putin in ukraine. he has done everything that you can imagine from an american president who understands the job and understands the state in order to protect democracy. and i think the reason he's running again is because he realizes that he and kamala harris represent the last best hope of the united states to defeat the trump forces, to defeat the authoritarian forces in the united states, and to preserve our democracy. and i don't think that's an overstatement. >> you know, tara, tom nichols was pretty critical of the media for a lot of reasons which has not learned at all how to cover trump, full stop. the media writ large is still covering him the same way they did in 2016 and 2020. also democrats, the issues democrats are in complaint of the biden administration about are important. student loan debt, you know, relief would change millions of

american lives. you know, he's doing a lot on climate, but also gave joe manchin a lot. those are legitimate complaints. i think tom nichols' point is arguing about that and about biden's age and like nit-picking that right now when on the other side is trump and desantis and people like ramaswamy seems short sighted. what do you make of that criticism? >> my good friend tom nichols is 100% correct about this. you know, we joke, i joke all the time with my democratic friends and say, you know, republicans fall in line, democrats need to fall in love. that's the joke amongst us. in washington about this, and i just sit back and go, what are you guys doing? none of these policy positions matter if our democracy falls apart. and i don't think that the case has been made enough, comparing and contrasting what that means. i don't think people really truly understand what we're facing here, what the existential threat to our democracy looks like. democracy is a decision. democracy does not defend

itself. institutions do not defend themselves. it takes the righteous anger of the american people to stand up and push back against the authoritarian forces that are now coalesced behind one major political party in this country. this next election, president biden was 100% correct. it is about democracy. it's america or trumpism. period. full stop. i just came back from a conference in germany and i can tell you that there were a lot of high-powered folks there from elected officials to business leaders who looked at us americans who were there and said, you guys cannot fail. there is no one else to replace you in america as the beacons of democracy in the world. europe and the rest of the world cannot survive if american democracy falls. it was a very sobering experience to hear our european allies plead to us, saying what are you guys doing there? we need you. who fills that power vacuum? it sure as hell isn't a

pro-democracy country. it's russia, china, our enemies who fill that vacuum if america went under. for president biden to step up, which i think he's doing an excellent job of doing, to step up and explain that that's what's on the ballot, i think that the democrats need to understand this and coalesce around that message and explain to the american people what it means if we lose our democracy. lincoln project has put out all week long, we're putting out pro-biden, pro-democracy messaging to remind this is what's at stake, this is what he's doing, and this is the choice. that's what the messaging has to be moving forward. >> you know, to the point that tara made about being overseas, david, i just came back from spain and from ghana, and i can tell you, we had a lot of interesting political conversations in ghana. when we talk about american democracy here, a lot of people who come and emigrate here like my parents do, think of america as a premier democracy and they get here and find out about racism and other things. one thing people would say in

ghana is you talk a lot about democracy, but you couldn't defend your own capitol against a bunch of yahoos who decided to ransack it. you know, half your people don't believe your elections are legit. your democracy is no stronger than ours. to the point about china and russia, china and russia are filling the vacuum right now on the continent. the u.s. is absent without official leave is really not there, it's the chinese and the russians that are in there doing development and taking the side of people there when they say we don't want european colonialism anymore. we want them out, we want europe to stop stealing from us. do we have a challenge in terms of like the continent, 1.6 billion mainly young people, and they do question whether we're the beacon of democracy because we haven't been historically, no has the west been for them. >> well, in the past when we have thought of ourselves as the beacon of democracy, surely we have been an imperfect beacon.

but nonetheless, the world sees us shining more brightly than any other such beacon, and right now, the world's heart is in its throat because they realize that literally within a matter of months, just 14 months from now, donald trump could win re-election, and democracy as the world has known it in the united states would be over. he would fire people from the government who oppose him, he would work with red state governors to insure that only republicans ever won again. he would work with the supreme court to strip away fundamental rights of people, including the right to vote. and we would not be able to recover from that. and they know it. and they see china out there, but they also see the forces of ethno nationalism, vladimir putin, viktor orban, the right in europe, bolsonaro in brazil, netanyahu in israel, modi in

india. all of these as forces that do not value democracy. and if we step back, they and the chinese and the russians as you describe it, will step in. and democracy will begin to recede everywhere we look. so i think in the united states, as tom suggests, as tara suggests, as you suggest, we have all got to be within issue voters. we have to set the other stuff aside. because if we're not one-issue voters now, we're not going to get another chance. we're not going to get the opportunity to debate other issues. they're going to be imposed upon us by maga folks like donald trump and the people who are funding him, the real people behind the maga movement. and i think that's got to be chilling to every american regardless of their political party. >> and also, there's the ridiculousness of him on the world stage.

maga people, they adore donald trump, they worship him like the golden calf, or as my auntie says, the golden jackass, that is what my aunt says, but they worship him like he is a god. here, let me show you how he was treated on the world stage the last time he did the same speech biden is doing today, this was in 2018. >> today, i stand before the united nations general assembly to share the extraordinary progress we have made. in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. america's -- so true. [ laughter ] >> didn't expect that reaction, but that's okay.

>> tara, do you think it's necessary or is it even possible for base republican voters to understand that that is how the rest of the world views their god. you know, i'm not sure that gets through to them. they think of him as some world conquering hero, but they're the only ones who think that. he's a joke around the world and people are horrified by the thought american voters would put him back in office. i don't think they get that. >> here's the thing, they wear it with a badge of valor. because now, it's another attribution to my friend tom nichols, it's the death of expertise. the death of education, the death of people who -- facts and truth. these people now have been conditioned over time to believe that it's the elitists laughing at you. donald trump, however you feel about him, i despise him, i think he's an embarrassment and he represents the worst of us, but there are millions of americans who see them as their

voice. he has said this. when they attack me, they're attacking you. he's been a genius at convincing tens of millions of americans that he's their champion, when he despises them actually. but this is for people who study cults and mob rule and how you're able to get so many people that are functioning out of grievance, there's so much grievance in thit country not being addressed that donald trump is giving a voice to that, and they don't care what the rest of the world thinks. why do you think he uses the term america first? which is taken from history back when nazi germany was rising and americans were saying we're not getting involved. that's over there. this is recycled stuff. we have seen this before. we need to learn from history that this does not end well unless it's put down. it has got to be stopped. and repudiated 1,000 times over and the earth salted over where it once stood. yet you have an entire republican party from the leadership on down where the rot is so prevalent that people know

better, like kevin mccarthy and the rest of them, have bought into it for political expediency and now it's completely out of control. the average american looks at the rest of the world and thinks, we don't care if they laugh at us. we're going to defend america first and we don't care what they think because they're elitists. that's a problem because it's much bigger than that. our democracy is not to be laughed at. and that's what people need to understand. because when you lose it, you don't get it back, to david's point. history has shown us. >> well said by both of our great guests, david and tara, thank you both very much. up next on "the reidout," democracy in danger here at home, as we have just been talking about. 17 states now have election deniers overseeing elections intent on using their considerable powers to weaken free and fair elections. how advocates are fighting back, when "the reidout" continues. we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets.

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today is national voter registration day, an annual reminder to check your voting status and help others register to vote. every vote matters because in the fight for democracy, there is no rest for the weary. especially when the former guy wants back in with a scorched earth plan of retribution against civil servants, political enemies, and minority groups. if he gets in, it will be due in part to 23 election deniers holding state-wide office in 17 different states. they're already laying the groundwork for undermining the next election, according to a

new report from states united action, a voting nonprofit. nine states have already pulled out of the electronic registration information center. a partnership that helps make sure voter rolls are accurate. they're stripping election funding, trying to get rid of impartial arbiters of elections and attempting to rig the system for rubcan politicians. in the face of election losses, republicans from wisconsin to north carolina and alabama are leaning aggressively into anti-democratic measures that insure their hold on power. but while some are undermin free and fair elections, others are standing in the breach. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro announced today that his administration is making it much easier to register to vote. it will now be automatic when people in his state get or renew their driver's licenses. they believe that could add tens of thousands of new voters to the rolls. and joining me now is janay nelson, president and director council of the legal defense

fund. let me quickly talk about automatic voter registration. that actually is one of the kind of go-to methods for insuring more people vote because there's no way to voter suppress because it happens at the dmv. what do you make of what josh shapiro is doing in pennsylvania? >> it's a common sense measure in a democracy to make sure that everyone is able to vote and that if they want to opt out of it, they can, but we have affirmatively brought every voice into the electorate. we have made sure that eligible american citizens are brought into our voter rolls so whenever they decide to exercise their right to vote, they can. that is really the birth rite of american citizens and it only makes sense for our government to be doing everything it can to bring people into our electorate. >> and you know, that, the thing about america and the system of our elections is it literally depends in which state you live in whether you have a full free

and fair access to the ballot. you have very different access to your right to vote and the right to be represented if you live in alabama or mississippi than you do if you live in vermont or new york. or california. it's literally a situation in this case, we'll just look at the cases you allhave, your current voting laws that just the ldf is challenging. texas, georgia, eve in washington, d.c., the michigan welfare rights organization versus donald trump and the republican national committee, florida, of course, naacpv. lee. there's a texas case, an organization is a plaintiff in challenging their voting laws. and it does seem that republicans and the states they control are dead set on making it almost impossible for anyone but their older white rural voters to vote. so i wonder in that case, are we a national democracy? or are we just a democracy in like 20 or so states?

>> we're certainly a democracy that is on its way to decomposing if we don't rein this in immediately, which is why we're bringing these lawsuits, which is why we have been so fervent in sounding the alarm about the attack on voting rights, as you pointed out, we have litigation across the country. we're at trial in texas challenging sb-1, which is a voter suppression law, and it follows on the heels of prior laws in that state and many across the country. and as you point out, where you live should not dictate your access to the ballot and your access in this democracy. which is why it is so important that we pass national voter registration legislation and voting rights legislation like the national voting rights advancement act and the freedom to vote act. those are two pieces of legislation, one of which was just reintroduced today, by the way, in the house by representative terri sewell. these are two critical pieces of legislation that would level the

playing field across the country. every voter would benefit from having laws that dictate how you can get automatically registered, what you need to do in terms of having uniform identification requirements when you show up to vote, and insuring that you're protected when you're waiting in line at the polls. there are so many very basic commonsense measures that are subject to debate and litigation when they should be embraced by every legislature across the country. what we're going to wind up with, joy, is a situation where people who have elected very extremist conservative leaders are going to look at other states, some of them may be bordering those states and say why is it my neighbor across this line is able to access the ballot much more easily than i can? and i'm hoping that people will learn from those examples and really push their legislatures to do the right thing. >> i mean, the thing is that,

let me put a map of the 366 laws of voting restrictions proposed, 29 have been enacted. we'll put up the map, it's just a red state map. it's the red states. in pennsylvania right now, they have an election coming up that could tip their legislature into the republican camp, which would mean the end of the expansion of voting rights there. literally, yes, every voter whether you're a republican, democrat, or independent should have the same access to vote and should want the same access to vote, but literally, if you live in a republican state, you just get less access. if you live in a state like alabama, they're saying 27% of the population, because they're black, have to all be packed into one district, and they refuse to be told no, that you have to give people -- so i don't know how -- your vision is the right one, but if republicans don't believe that, and they believe that non-republicans shouldn't have access to the ballot, i'm wondering what do we do about that? do we have to keep suing and praying the supreme court doesn't detroy the voting rights

act altogether? >> listen, we don't need to -- what we need to do is get the court to continue to do the right thing. as you know, we have been litigating in alabama, that very case you just referred to, allen versus milligan, which packs black voters into a single district, even thor 1 in 4 alabamans is a black voter and out of the seven districts, there they are only able to elect a candidate of choice in one. we just filed a response to an effort to keep that map in place for yet another election cycle today in the supreme court. because alabama didn't listen to the supreme court's decision that was issued just a few months ago in june. we have been continuing to push. and what we need to do is take this out of the hands of politicians and put it in the court and expect that this court will do the right thing and will respect its own authority to enforce its own decisions to make alabama do the right thing.

and the principles at play in the alabama litigation are equally applicable in these challenges to voter suppression laws, in these challenges to other racial gerrymanders across the country, and it is time that we hold our democratic institutions to account or we will not have a democracy at all. >> i wonder what your trust level is in the supreme court. we had reporting yesterday there's a leonard leo cabal that is pushing that state to defy the court because they believe brett kavanaugh is in the tank and he will overturn the voting rights act. there's good reason to believe they are right. this six membersf the court want conservative republican outcomes. and so if they want conservative republican outcomes, why should we trust the supreme court at all? >> well, i think we have to assume that the supreme court, if it wants to be an institution that has any longevity, that continues to have currency in this country, that it will want

to preserve its own authority. and many people were surprised we won in the supreme court as we did in june. and i firmly believe and i felt this way when we brought the case, these facts are so strong, the law is so clearly on our side that the court really had no other option unless it wanted to reveal itself to be completely co-opted, to rule in our favor. and i expect that the court will be consistent, that it will insure that it does not reward states like alabama that are obstinate, that are trying to subvert the rule of law with any benefit. they should get no hearing before the supreme court at this point. they should be forced to get a fair map. and the supreme court should want to preserve its own credibility, which as we all know, is really under question at this moment. >> let's encourage everyone in pennsylvania please get out there and vote. virginia also has an election coming up for state races, and

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. from so-called america's mayor and one time presidential candidate to co conspirator number one and an indictmented georgia codefendant, rudy giuliani's fall from grace is quite epic. and just as embarrassing as having hair dye drip down your face during a pres conference, now comes the latest embarrassment, his own lawyer is suing him, claiming that giuliani owes him about $1.4 million in unpaid legal fees. robert costello who represented giuliani from 2019 through the summer, alleges giuliani paid just a fraction of what he owes, with his most recent payment last week totaling only $10,000. could it be that the trump hosted fund-raiser earlier this month at bedminster that rudy had begged for did not bring in the big dollars he was hoping for? perhaps trump would be willing to host another down at mar-a-lago. joining me now is barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university

of michigan law school. a quick note just on giuliani, barb. he was very wealthy and made a lot of many after 9/11, you know, sort of hawking his reputation. but he had a divorce from his third wife, judy nathan, and had to pay a lot of money. he was unable to work as a lawyer because of disciplinary aekzs against him for the big lie. the suspension of his law license in new york and an ethics committee in washington recommend he be disbarred in d.c. he recently put his upper east side apartment in new york up for sale for $6.5 million. the financial troubles that giuliani has had, if his lawyer is suing him, is there a world in which no one will represent him and he could end up with a public defender? how would the lawsuit play into his needing to be in court for his own case? >> he does have to show, to get

a public defender, he would have to reveal all of his finances. he would have to show that he is at the level of indigancy that he can't afford to pay a lawyer to represent him in the case. a little bit of a sliding scale. you don't have to be below the level depending on the complesty of the case and what a reasonable legal fee would be, but he could have to fill out a financial affidavit. i can't imagine he's willing to do that. there's poor, and there's i don't want to spend money on my lawyers. i think he would have to show he's in the former category before he would ever get a public defender appointed for him. and yes, in a criminal case, you have to be present, so he has to show up, and if he can make out the case, he would get a public defender. i think he's been aspiring to the gold plated defense, wanting to spend as if he has limitless funds and that appears to no longer be the case. >> if you're fani willis at this point and you're looking at

giuliani, and by the way, if he sells the place for $6.5 million, they're not going to give him a public defender. do you then look at giuliani and say, this guy might not be able to continue to defend himself financially, and then do you then circle back to him and say plead out and testify against trump? >> no, i mean, i don't think that your inability to pay for a lawyer should ever be a factor in deciding whether you should exercise your right to go to trial. that's why we do provide lawyers for people who can't afford it. we don't want anyone to ever feel like because i can't afford a lawyer, i need to plead guilty. so i don't think so. i don't think she would ever play that card. it would be inappropriate for her to do so, but i don't know that the money is going to be an issue so much as his ability to stand up in open court and say i'm guilty, which is something a defendant has to do if they want to enter a guilty plea. >> that's true, and he has not just the georgia 2020 case, he has his unpaid legal fees case,

a sexual assault and harassment case from one of his former employees. and also a defamation case by shaye moss and ruby freeman. he's got a lot on his plate. let's actually tal about another thing about trump here. the to-do lists allegedly written by trump on classified documents. is doodling on the cover of a classified document, is that the kind of sort of destruction of the document, because i have seen in some of these other cases that sometimes one of the charges is destroying the documents. does that pose a legal problem for trump if he was writing on the documents or is that just incidental to the case? >> probably not. it depends on the document. most of the time, the document now is a digital document, and what you have is simply a printout of the document, but it does suggest additional mishandling of the document. having it at mar-a-lago is problematic, sharing it with an aide who does not have a clearance is problematic.

writing to-do lists on them and having them lying around the office is a problem. and i think the other thing that's really important about this new reporting is that this witness, this employee who received these was horrified that she had them, turned them over to the fbi, resigned when she found out that donald trump was planning to not cooperate with the fbi over this, and she said that he even said to her, you didn't see any boxes. when in fact, she absolutely did. so i think this witness is going to be extremely helpful. i don't know there will be additional charges for the documents, but in terms of the obstruction of this case, this will be an important witness. >> if i had time it, i would play it, there's always a tape, i don't, but you're absolutely right. the cliefed documents case seems like such a slam dunk if the judge ever lets it go to trial. barbara mcquade, thank you very much. still ahead, tensions flare amid republican infighting as the house freedom caucus fails

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mccarthy once again proved his inability to reunite his slim majority after an attempt to advance a pentagon spending bill failed and a key procedural vote on his proposed short term funding bill was canceled. all thanks to some of the most conservative members of his own party. that spending bill which includes an array of restrictive immigration policies and cuts to funding for domestic programs was supposed to be a compromise between the far right and so-called moderate republicans to keep the government running for another month. but members like marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz are threatening to blow it all up, saying it's not extreme enough. even if kevin were to miraculously get his whole caucus on board, which is a lot to ask of the house speaker, the bill they're working on has virtually zero chance of becoming law. senate majority leader chuck schumer has already said that measure will not pass the senate, not to mention get a signature from the president, which leaves kevin with no viable plan to keep the government running come october 1st. perfect. joining me is congressman ro

khanna, democrat from california. here's how bad it is, this is how embarrassing it is. a reporter from punch bowl got a picture of the demands of marge greene, and here they are, the list of amendments greene is pushing for the resolution, she wants none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide assistance to ukraine. she wants to repeal the permanent and definite appropriation for independent counsel, so basically used to enforce mask mandates. where are we going with this, congressman? this seems like the house is going to do absolutely nothing in the next six days.

he made a deal with the president, this was supposed to cover the budget, and he is not keeping his word and just doing the deal that he himself struck with the presidents. they were not able to get votes today, joy, for a budget that would have cut spending by 8%. and they still can't passage amongst their own colleagues. it's just chaos. >> kevin mccarthy also, in the know as charlotte category, also reported to punchbowl news that he thinks that opponents -- no kidding, man. what deal -- sometimes i wonder how he ties his shoes in the morning. how he manages to do that. is he genuinely shocked that his inner circle and -- of aids i think that they're trying to provoke a shutdown in order to push another speakership? why is he the last to know that? >> he's just going day by day

to survive. there is no strategic plan. he is literally trying to just hold on. the problem is this would almost be comical on reality television if it weren't as serious. for all the republicans rhetoric saying that people are paying too much in gas and food and rent, the democrats actually want to do something about it. we want to provide people assistance to help make their rent easier. we want to provide them with food, nutrition assistance. and the republicans are saying no we want to take that away. we want to shut down the government. it's the height of irresponsibility, it's a betrayal on everything that ran on last cycle. >> and is there a world -- when boehner was speaker, why didn't he go up and say i'm going to go to that lady, speaker mccarthy -- and forget you all? is there a world in which cover mccarthy figures out that he can go to hakeem jeffries, the minority leader, get enough democrats to vote for a spending bill and be done with it? >> you may have to do that, but

then he would have to have a joint governance agreement of the house, because then he would lose a lot of his members and the democrats are going to be united around i--- who has done a phenomenal job in keeping our caucus united. it's a study in contrast. we have everyone from the centrists to the progressives marching under the same drumbeat on the key issues, with hakeem jeffries and the president, and they're in disarray. >> the thing is, at this point, kevin mccarthy is not the speaker of the house. some combination of matt gaetz and marjorie greene or the speaker. and so i wonder for the democratic caucus, what is the plan on the democratic side? because the democrats cannot pass a bill in the house. they do not have the majority. but is there a backup plan? is there a backup plan that you're talking with, with some republicans on the other side? the few that are not absolutely mad, to actually make sure that we don't have a shut down? >> joy, first, it's important

to realize that marjorie taylor greene is running the house and i think most americans realize that. because her name is 20% higher than kevin mccarthy. so they get that she's really calling the shots here. what we have been saying is that mccarthy needs to keep the deal he made with the president of the united states, and needs to figure out how to do that. if he can't do that with his own caucus, then hakeem jeffries, our leader, has said that he will talk to kevin mccarthy. but then it's got to be a fair governance. you can't have anti-choice bills, anti-trans provisions, anti funding ukraine provisions come up for votes in that scenario. the democrats wouldn't do that. so let's see what kevin mccarthy does. but the democrats are acting responsibly, and he needs to do that. >> it is remarkable, i think, when you think about it. that we are looking at potentially the shutdown of our government, what republicans are focused on is impeaching joe biden for fill in the blanks. they don't even know what for. >> and they're so out of touch.

i was with the united auto workers on the picket lines, and in michigan and ohio. you know what they're saying? they're saying we need some help. we need help with a wrench, we need help with our food bills, we need help because our wages haven't kept up. the democrats are saying, we are there with the working class agenda, just pass these bills so that we can help those working class americans and help the president bring back manufacturing, raise wages, and all the republicans want to do is serve political points and give the keys to marjorie taylor greene. like i said, it would be comical if it weren't sad. because who's being hurt or the working class americans in this country. >> i wish we could give some of these voters just a sense of basic embarrassment. to say, you should be embarrassed. marjorie taylor greene is the speaker, one should be embarrassed by that. and as our great senior producer, one of our senior producer said, all kevin mccarthy ever wanted to be was somebody called former speaker kevin mccarthy. that seems to be his only goal, because he got the gavel and he

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