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>> it's months, even longer. the military will generally release some sort of an unclassified version of their investigation into this. now, the one thing i will say, because the pilot was able to eject safely, presumably at this point the military has the pilot's version of what happened here. so they probably know a lot more than we do about what was happening in the air when the pilot decided to eject, and what it was that led that individual to make that decision. so they know a lot more than we do already, chris. >> courtney kube, so good to talk to you my friend, thank you. and that is going to do it this hour. make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you, i'm katy tur. there are seven working days before a government shut down. according to punch bowl news, at
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4:00 p.m., one hour from now, republican leaders in the house are resorting to a king or queen of the hill meeting to send anything to the upper chamber before the september 30th deadline. what is a king or a hill, king of the hill meeting, exactly, we'll explain in a moment, and does it do anything to win over the hard liners who sunk the main street caucus and freedom caucus compromise. there is, of course, a world where a speaker held hostage by an extreme wing of their party would look to the other side for bipartisan agreement on a budget proposal. especially in a divided congress where anything that gets to the white house necessarily has to be bipartisan. so does speaker mccarthy have that option or did he burn it by owning an impeachment inquiry into president biden? there is reporting suggesting democrats are willing to get involved, but only to resolve a shutdown. and a reminder, this is not
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monopoly money. air traffic controllers, and tsa agents will be ordered to work without pay. social security and medicare benefit verifications and card issuances will stop. more than 400 federal parks across the country will close. and snap benefits will run out after a month. there are real consequences for real people. joining us now is "punch bowl news" cofounder jake sherman. i mangled that at the top. explain the meeting at 4:00 p.m., the king and queen of the hill. >> there's a lot going on. it's a fast moving story at this point. this meeting was noticed a couple of hours ago. here's the lay of the land. the house floor is effectively paralyzed. kevin mccarthy, the speaker cannot move defense spending bills. he can not move hardly anything because of these holdouts, conservative holdouts who want him to lower federal spending. he's trying to find a way out o
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it. one thing they have discussed, we reported this afternoon, a mechanism called queen of the hill or king of the hill, you didn't mangle it that badly, but basically what it means, put a bunch of proposals on the floor, see which one gets the most votes and that goes to the senate. that's one option. another option being discussed is a couple senior house republicans about this. they want to try, good luck to them. they want to try to reframe this debate, and make this about border security. we're kind of far down the road, but the republicans have been all over the map. they feel like that is the most vulnerable position for senate democrats is to reject border security money. remember, katy, we're talking right now about averting a shutdown next weekend, september 30th. after that, congress has to do a year of funding until next cement. so we are talking about weeks if not months of wrangling over the budget, over federal spending,
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and i don't know what the end in sight is. there are plenty of people in mccarthy's leadership who do not believe that they can pass anything through their chamber, anything, so we are in a really precarious position in the house of representatives. >> so in this king of the hill process where they say, see what has the most support and send that to the senate. is there any assurance that the hard liners that set the compromise are going to say, yes, okay, we'll go with this. >> under that mechanism, katy, they actually would have a lot less power because right now as it's been designed in the past and the house has a lot of leeway with the majority, as it's been designed in the past, that measure that gets sent to the senate doesn't need to have the majority, just needs to have the plurality of votes. this is something that hasn't been used since the 114th congress. it's been a long time since this mechanism has been used. remember, 90 something percent
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of house republicans are on the same page. it's just the five holdouts. mccarthy is only trying to pass things with republican votes that five people could control the fate of representatives. >> what happens when the senate sends it back, and says we need something that's more like this. >> that's the problem. let's say mccarthy can get a government funding bill out of the house. it gets sent to the senate, and if i have to guess based on my conversations this morning, and this afternoon, if it's not acceptable to the senate, chuck schumer is going to say very interesting, we're going to gut this bill, do a clean cr, clean government funding past september 30th to november 15th with ukraine aid and disaster relief, two things that house republicans have not been terribly eager to support, have not ended up in their bills. at that point, mccarthy has a decision to make, whether the government's going to shut down or he's going to accept whatever the senate sends him. the senate, you know, republicans are trying to govern as if they are the only show in town, as if the government is controlled by republicans.
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the government is controlled by democrats for the most part. the democratic senate. by the way, the democratic senate is aligned with the republicans in the senate for the most part, and joe biden's in the white house. so whatever mccarthy sends over to there is going to get changed almost 100%, and then mccarthy is going to have to decide whether to shutdown the government or not. >> is there a world where he goes to the democrats and do the democrats help him or are the democrats as we sit up top, to be the resolvers of a shutdown, instead of the avoiders. >> is there a world, yes, there is a world. now, we're not in that world yet. katy. we're in the world where mccarthy is trying to pass things with republicans only. but i would imagine that democrats don't get in to the equation, unless the government shuts down. so they are the saviors. right now at this hour, the problem solvers caucus, they try to solve problems.
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i don't know where they have been for this one. but they are voting on their own proposal behind closed doors, clean cr with border money and other things, that could put pressure on conservatives to say, actually, we're going to lose the debate here, we're going to lose the floor. people are going to start defecting to democrats, and to the problem solvers caucus, a bipartisan caucus, if we don't get our act together. remember, just a few republicans are holding this position and the majority of republicans disagree with that. >> this almost seems secondary at this point, what happens to mccarthy after whatever happens next? >> before impeachment, every conversation i had with house democrats said they would support mccarthy. they would save him from being thrown overboard, if he was doing the right thing. the right thing in their mind is passing a cr, funding the government, doing something responsible. now they're impeaching joe biden. i don't know if that holds true. mccarthy's world seems to think it does hold true, that he will
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be saved by democrats. i don't know, katy, how sustainable it is to have a speaker of the house who gets, you know, thrown over effectively by his own conference to be saved by democrats. he's going to be in a vice after that, to be honesth you, and i don't know how sustainable that is. i would imagine, , just based on what i've -- based on the vibe up here, a vibe assessment, that there will be a motion to vacate in the next couple of weeks. i can't see a way around that. i don't know when it will come. they can put it off for a few days, but not for long. i don't have a good answer on that. what democrats are going to have to consider is what comes after mccarthy, and is that better for us. >> yeah. >> and i've had a lot of conversations about speaker jim jordan or speaker someone else that democrats would not like as much. >> got it. i see you not wanting to say vibe check. i'm looking for another word.
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i appreciate it, jake sherman. >> i went with it, though, and i feel okay about it. >> okay. good. my friend, thank you very much. >> thanks, katy. let's go right to the source on this, joining us now is republican congressman from colorado, ken buck. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. i know you've had a busy day. what do you predict happens next? >> well, i guess i don't have a great prediction for you. i think there's several possibilities. one is that there are some republicans who join the democrats on a discharge petition for a clean cr, and you would get over 218, it would be brought to the floor, some republicans would vote for it with the democrats. mccarthy is saved in a sense because he didn't bring the bill to the floor, but the bill still got brought to the floor. a discharge petition is just a mechanism by which the minority party can force something to the floor if they have some of the majority party's support. the other option is to put something on the floor, and make it as close to a clean cr as
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possible and get some democrats' support. unless the number drops significantly you're not going to get some republicans to support it. and when i say significantly, it's the number that kevin mccarthy threw out when he was running for speaker and other republicans won't support a bill that has the number that kevin mccarthy negotiated with president biden, so if it's not one of those two numbers, you're going to lose a certain number of republicans. >> are you going to be on board with getting something to the upper chamber, getting something out of the house to avoid a shutdown? >> i sure hope so. i haven't seen the bill that i would be on board with. i would like to not have a shutdown and support something. >> you changed the vote from a yes to a no. can you help me understand why you did that, it was partially responsible for sinking that. >> it was sunk anyway, 213, it needs a majority to pass. what happened was i handed my card down the line, and asked
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somebody to vote no for me. i didn't check my vote. they voted yes. i saw the no vote, and switched back to what i originally intended. >> why did you vote no? >> i voted no because ralph norman has asked speaker mccarthy for the top line numbers for the 12 appropriations bills to make sure that the overall number is what he promised when he ran for speaker, $1.471 trillion. and we have not gotten that number yet, and ralph norman felt it was important enough to make sure that we got that number before we continue to vote on all of these other bills. >> from the outside looking in and from the reporting we have highlighted on the show, it looks like a mess in the house gop conference right now, and i just want to play what one of your colleagues, congressman mike lawler of new york, republican, said about what's happening right now. let's listen. >> just not conservative republicanism. this is stupidity. the idea that we're going to shut the government down when we
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don't control the senate, we don't control the white house, these people can't define a win. they don't know how to take yes for an answer. it's a clown show. you keep running lunatics, you're going to be in this position. >> how do you feel about his assessment of things? >> well, obviously i disagree with his assessment. i believe the spending at the levels that we're spending now, those, that type of spending is an existential threat to this country, and if we don't deal with that, i'm not saying we cut one area or another, we just have to make sure we have a cap on spending. if we don't have a cap on spending, the government will keep spending out of control. we have $2 trillion worth of debt this fiscal year. this fiscal year. which is an all-time high in debt, and will exceed $36 trillion by the time the next presidential election comes around. we can't do that as a country. we've got to at least have a discussion about how do we deal with this in the long term.
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>> how do you feel about this process, this king of the hill process to get something to the senate? >> yeah, like i said, i am anxious to make sure that we don't have a shut down, and i hope that we have a good bill, a bill that reduces spending so that i can support the bill and make sure we don't shut down. >> when the senate sends back emergency funding, disaster relief funding in ukraine aid, where will you stand? where do you think the party should stand in sending it back? this is divided government. the democrats control the senate. democrats control the white house. republicans control the house. there's going to have to be a compromise. >> there is, and i haven't seen the bill that the senate is going to be sending us. i can tell you this, i believe vladimir putin is evil. i believe he illegally crossed that border, and illegally invaded another country. i believe the people in that country are fighting well, and we should give them every opportunity to win that war. there's only two outcomes in a
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war, you either win or you lose, and if ukraine loses, we're looking at nato being threatened and u.s. boots on the ground, that's not something i want. >> does kevin mccarthy survive, and if he needs to survive by courting some democratic votes, how will you feel about him as the leader of the republican party in the house? >> well, if a motion to vacate is brought, it will be brought because the number for the continuing resolution is too high. if he then gets democrats' support, it's going to come with a price tag. democrats are not going to support a republican speaker unless they get something in return, so at that point, i think people are able to make a juchlt about whether kevin mccarthy moves on or not. and frankly, i think that with a 5-vote majority, now a 4-vote majority, kevin mccarthy is accomplishing a lot of goals he wants to accomplish. >> i would be remisnot to ask you about what the "new york post" is reporting that you're looking at tv jobs. are you running again for
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congress next year? >> i am running again for congress, yes, and i'm running, and i think this is a way of finding someone who wants to run a primary against me by telling the world that i'm not running again, and all the republicans who are interested in a great district in colorado decide to announce. you know, it's one of the games in d.c. >> we certainly enjoyed having you on, but you're telling me, no, you're not going to be moving to the pundit world, you're going to be staying in congress. >> no time soon. >> congressman ken buck. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. good luck out there. >> thank you. coming up next, attorney general merrick garland is facing off with house republicans on capitol hill today. what he said to gop lawmakers who have accused him of politicizing the doj: it is day six of the auto workers strike, what the uaw was just offered and if they might take it. and preventing a crisis to recovering from one, the shift on how the climate is being addressed at the u.n. general assembly this week. we are back in 60 seconds. . gen
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attorney general merrick garland appeared before the house judiciary committee, and it went about how you would expect it to go. republicans accused ag garland of politicizing the department of justice to protect president biden. democrats accused republicans of politicizing judicial oversight to benefit donald trump. and ag garland, well, he just tried to defend himself. >>. our job is not to take orders from the president, from congress or from anyone else about who or what to criminally investigate. i am not the president's lawyer. i will add, i am not congress's prosecutor. the justice department works for the american people. we will not be intimidated.
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we will do our jobs. >> joining us is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ryan nobles, so you reported this morning that ag garland was going to be strong in pushing back on these attacks of the justice department and himself, and you heard him say there repeatedly that he's not the president's lawyer. he's also not congress's prosecutor, he said that over and over again in different ways. none of the prosecutions coming out of the justice department are politically motivated. >> that's right. that was some of the strongest language we have heard the mild mannered attorney general merrick garland use, and it's the result of a process at the doj. they have been preparing for this hearing for weeks, and they really decided that this rhetoric from the republicans in congress, accusing the doj of being politicized and being not on the level have gone too far, and they had to push back. will it matter? of course it's not going to convince the republicans, but they're hoping maybe they can reach the middle of america. polls are showing that
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confidence in the justice department is dropping, and there really is no evidence that politics has played a role in these prosecutions. now, there are legitimate questions about what happened with the hunter biden case. most of which merrick garland did not answer today. there's no evidence of that, katy. >> republicans have yet to show any hard evidence that president biden was involved in anything nefarious. we're still hearing the same line from republicans. tell me more of what you saw on capitol hill today? >> i think you're right there, katy. one of the things that republicans have repeatedly said over and over again is they feel as if there's some sort of two-tiered system of justice, one that hurts former president trump, and one that benefits the current president joe biden, and they used the hunter biden investigation as kind of the basis of that premise, but they have yet to kind of back that up
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with receipts. there's smoke related to hunter biden and his business activities, but none of that has been specifically linked back to the president specifically. yes, they have examples of phone calls that took place between the president and his son, with his business associates around dinners and the like. there has been also testimony that's reflected that those same business associates have no knowledge of the president himself having any sort of specific interaction with his business partners or that he used the office of the vice president to benefit hunter biden and his business activities. the other thing i want to point out about this hearing today, katy, is republicans have been using merrick garland specifically and the justice department writ large as a punching bag for their overall viewpoint that there's some sort of deep state that's running the government that is, you know, going after every day americans. an example of that is they believe that the federal government through the
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department of justice was specifically targeting religious groups like the catholic church, and i want to play for you an exchange between merrick garland and a wisconsin representative about that topic. >> attorney general through the chair i ask you do you agree that traditional catholics are violent extremists. >> i have no idea what traditional means here. >> catholics that go to church. >> may i answer your question? >> the idea that someone with my family background would discriminate against any religion is so outrageous, so absurd. >> i apologize, that was congressman from new jersey, not from wisconsin, so you see, and that was perhaps the moment where we saw merrick garland get the most animated, where he was the most vociferous in his defense of not only the department of justice but himself taking it very seriously how they're trying to equally hand out justice across the
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board. the question is does every american see that exchange and how does it reflect as ken points out rightly that, you know, this constant barrage of attacks by republicans is having an impact on the americans' view of the justice department. >> if you say something enough times, it gets embedded in certain people's psyches. >> there have been developments regarding the hunter biden case. we have learned how he is expected to plead to the gun charges. >> hunter biden asked to plead over video link and not appear in person at his arraignments in wilmington, delaware, and the justice department weighed in strongly saying that should not be permitted, that he should be treated like any other defendant, and we're waiting to see what the judge rules on that. >> ken dilanian, ryan nobles, thank you. coming up, what the uaw says it was offered by stellantis, and what it might signal about the ongoing strike. and negotiations resume between hollywood studios and
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in a new op-ed in the detroit free press, the ceo of gm says the rhetoric comingut of the uaw is mission information and counter productive to negotiations. it is a myth that gm does not pay a decent wage, a myth that gm can easily afford the union's demands and a myth that record
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s go toward fueling corporate greed. the big three and uaw are ing to reach an agreement. we got news that stellantis has made a new offer. we're going to see if it's enough to satisfy the uaw's demands for that friday deadline. otherwise it will expand the strike. at the same time, gm says it is laying off 2,000 workers. joining us now is cnbc auto industry reporter, phil lebeau, good to be with you. >> we don't have details yet, but stellantis was in the ballpark of a 20% raise over 4 1/2 years for the uaw, and then there's a whole budge of other topics, cost of living adjustments, they have a plant outside of rockford, illinois, that has been idle. we don't know the specifics of this which then raises the question of to we think it's going to be enough to avoid
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further strikes on friday? that remains to be seen. the uaw president says he would like to see series progress, not a resolution, but serious progress in order to say no more strikes. we're far from that right now, katy. whether or not this is enough to call serious progress and no more strikes on friday, my gut says no, but we'll have to wait and see. >> do we have an idea what serious progress means? >> no. your guess is as good as mine. >> we are not the negotiators here. >> yeah, and katy, having done this for over 25 years now, covering these strikes, you have learned the rhythm and the cadence and the drum beat skpks -- and you can start to tell when there's movement. we're making progress here. we're not seeing that at all right now. we are just not seeing that right now. whether it's the op-ed of mark royce of general motors, ford saying some of what's being reported by the uaw is wrong. stellantis, i talked to the coo
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yesterday, he pushed back on some of the assertions that they are not making reasonable good faith efforts in terms of the offers that are out there. all of this combined tells you these guys are still pretty far apart in terms of reaching somewhere close to a resolution? >> so in terms of that op-ed by mark royce of gm, which, by the way, laid off a bunch of workers today, he's saying it's a myth that they can afford what the union is asking for, and i'm tting the numbers up by goldman, the cost of a 40% raise for workers over four years would cost 4 billion to $6 billion for gm, an ford each. general motors gross profit was 22.344 billion. that's a 32% increase year over year for the 12 months ending on june 30th. that's 22 billion that they made. this is a 4 billion to $6 billion cost to gm. what would gm's argument be to back up this claim that they can't afford it?
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>> well, a couple of things. first of all, what goldman is reporting, the numbers are accurate, but you're mixing a little bit of apples and oranges or they are mixing them. the 22.43, that is everything all together worldwide for general motors. in north america, they are, this year, estimating that they're going to make, i think, between 11 and $13 billion. that's going off the top of my head. somewhere in that range. let's say it's 11 to 13 billion or roughly speaking over the next 4 1/2 years, of which there's no guarantee. you're lobbing off a third of that, half of that, if it's 4 to $6 billion. if you're general motors, that's the issue here, not just gm, ford and stellantis, they have to look at the fixed costs in the next 4 1/2 years. what happens if we have a downturn, if there are a number of other issues that pop up between now and then. that is the argument you get from the auto makers, which is it's easy to say you made x billion last year, give a big
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chunk to the uaw. their counter argument is we're investing over $50 billion in electric vehicles, if we're going to be competitive, we have to do that, and there's no guarantees where the market is going to be over the next four to five years. from their perspective, it's more than just, well, you've made this, give a certain amount to them. >> both sides, listen, the union says we gave you a lot of concessions 15 years ago, we gave you a lot back to help you survive and the car companies say, well, we needed that because we weren't competitive. both sides have an argument there. thank you so much, good to have you with us. >> absolutely. no problem. >> now to hollywood and that other major strike. talks are expected to resume today between the writers union and the studios. the wga now has been striking for 141 days. that's roughly five months. sag-aftra is also on strike. but it is not at the table today. joining us now is puck founding partner, matthew bellamy, good to have you back. talk to me about what you're expecting to see today?
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>> well, the meetings are going on as we speak. i actually got a text about ten minutes ago from someone close to the negotiations saying that they were cautiously optimistic. there won't be a deal today, but this is the most productive during this negotiation period, you know, they are still far apart, and unlike in in the auto workers situation, there are more existential, bigger picture issues here that go beyond money that they need to resolve. >> well, like what? >> well, the big three there's a transparency element. the writers want the streaming services to turn ove data on who is watch what on these services, which they currently do not in a meangful way, and they want that to be part of a success metric, meaning if you create a show that does a lot better on streaming services than oth shows, you would get paid moreor that.
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they want some guarantees about the number of writers in the writing rooms creating television shows and the studios have said, no, no, we don't want to guarantee employment to people that we may not need on certain shows. and there's the ai issue. the writers want guarantees that the studios will not use their work to create ai generated scripts that could then be filmed. so there's some bigger issues beyond money. >> so, i mean, how -- i'm sure you listened to this, this idea that netflix shouldn't be in the room with the studios, the business model is not the same. what are they doing negotiating together? the networks and studios should go to the writers and actors saying we are on your side, negotiating with us, and let netflix deal with their own contracts. is there any room for that? is there any desire for that? do you see that happening? >> well, desire and room for it are two different things because
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there has been this argument, not just netflix, amazon and apple are two other members of the studio coalition, they're not primarily in the business of entertainment. they are a retail goods seller and a, you know, digital seller of products online. that's the other argument, but the problem here is that these eight members of the studio coalition, they signed a contract. they've agreed to negotiate together. it's sort of a legal cartel that they've formed. and to get out of that, there's a process. you have to give a notice period. there are some potential procedures you have to follow to do that. other members could sue you. so i think for at least the time period right now, these eight members are in this together. even if they might have differing goals and agendas here. >> really interesting stuff. please do come back soon to tell us what's happening next. we appreciate it.
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. 2023 is on track to be the hottest year ever recorded with
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record breaking storms, floods and wildfires that have displaced millions across the world. and today, more than 100 national governments gathered during the u.n. general assembly to renew the plans to curb the climate crisis and help people adapt to its impacts. ahead of the summit, some 75,000 people marched through manhattan in one of the largest climate protests held since the onset of the covid-19 pandemic. demanding leaders and their reliance on fossil fuels. according to the u.n. today's summit will, quote, showcase first movers and doers among countries most willing to act on the climate crisis. a day after the secretary general criticized world leaders for coming up abysmally short, his words, in their efforts to stem global heating. the meeting, however, failed to attract the heads of the biggest carbon emitting countries including china's xi jinping, the uk's rishi sunak, france's
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emanuel macron, and president biden who sends special presidential envoy for climate john kerry in his place. joining us now is actor, and director, kyra sedgwick, she marched in the protest over the weekend. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> part of the reason we're talking to somebody like you is you have such a giant platform, and you have been doing this for so long. talk to me about why you felt it was so important to get involved. why do you feel it's so important to be here talking to me. >> i'm so happy to be here talking to you today. i have been an environmentalist since the birth of my first child, when i went all of a sudden, oh, the future matters. >> oh, let's pass something on. >> i have some skin in the game, i need to think about the future, and what was abundantly clear back then is still what is abundantly clear today is our addiction to fossil fuels and the burning of fossil fuels is the climate catastrophe that we're living in currently, and what i loved about this particular action of the march
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to end fossil fuels is that it's just that, it's asking biden to say no more fossil fuels. you're not allowed to burn anymore. it was a huge march. it surpassed many expectations, 75,000 people marched in new york as well as there were 700 actions all across the globe, including six continents. so this was a very clear message, particularly from the youth about, you can't just do this halfway, biden. you can't just invest in renewables, you have to also no longer lease land to the gas and oil producers, such as, you know, the willow project, and the mountain valley pipeline. you can't do both things at the same time. the time to move is now. time is of the essence, and we are giving you the political will to follow us. >> what do you say to people who feel frozen by the scale of the
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problem? so much needs to change in order for us to adequately address climate change? it feels like we need to change the structure of the our society. instead of doing anything, i'm going to wait for innovation, i'm going to wait for scientists to come up with a solution. >> we have innovation, we have the power to do everything right now. we know we have solar, wind, and renewables. we know exactly how to do it. we need to employ millions of people to do this. i understand the feeling of global depression, climate depression. i feel it often and frequently. but what we need to do is talk to our leaders and tell them we've got your back. if you make the right decision, we will vote for you. i mean, the youth really wants biden to move on climate. if he moves on climate, he's going to bring all of this youth vote. >> it's depressing because the grownups in the room aren't
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taking care of the kids, and they know it. so if we start doing that, we're going to -- biden will create such goodwill. >> i know you march in these climate protests. you've been an activist far long time. what do you do in your daily life to effect change? i have electric cars, geo thermal in my home in connecticut. i compost, i do everything from not buying plastic at the grocery store because plastic is never getting recycled. you can't avoid it all the time, but you can certainly make smart choices around that, and i do what i can to get the word out. >> the president didn't go to the summit today. he sent john kerry instead. >> the reason why is because there was a certain list of requirements, and unfortunately part of it is that you have to be phasing out fossil fuels in order to be invited to this section of the climate summit, and because we are not phasing
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out fossil fuels, so clearly we are putting lots of money into renewables but not phasing out fossil fuels, because of that, we weren't really invited to that table. >> falling abysmally short as the u.n. secretary general said. thank you so much for being here, and thank you for giving us the message that it's not good enough to feel like you are frozen by the scale of the problem. go out and do something about it. kyra sedgwick, thank you. >> thank you so much. and coming up what the ex-marine targeted by january 6th conspiracy theories just did to prove them wrong. did to prove them wrong. number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv ♪ now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. (man) that looks really high. (woman) it is high. whenever you are ready. (man) are there any snakes?
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he's one of the only people caught on camera that day encouraging others to break the law. he's one of the only ones. the question is, did ray epps have contact with any government agency? did he talk about january 6th before it happened with any employee of the u.s. government? >> we're going to explain this. an native who became the face of conspiracy theories, for spreading claims he was a secret government agent who was in charge of inciting the insurrection. at the time, as you heard, carlson claimed the fact he had not been charged meant that he
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must be a plant. follow us? joining us now is nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly. i hope i got that straight, ryan. talk to me about why ray epps pleaded guilty today, what he was charged with. ray epps. >> it is hard to explain the conspiracy because it falls apart with any little bit of critical thinking skills. this man was featured on the fbi's website, which if he was a confidential informant probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. but then because he was taken off, that's what sort of spurred this and he was in charge. a year ago on the fbi's website today, there are 100 people identified but not yet arrested, identified but not yet arrested. today what we have is a situation where ray epps is pleading guilty, but honestly his behavior isn't that -- doesn't stand out from amongst the thousands in the crowd that day. what prosecutors have done have drawn a line around the capital building itself and say people who enter the capitol building
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will get charged and people who engaged in violent activity or destructive activity are also going to get charged. there is a handful of cases among the thousands of cases that have been brought in the two and a half years that involve defendants that didn't do either of those things, engage in property destruction or assaults. what ray epps did was say some pretty dumb things ahead of january 6th, we need to go in the capitol, he said that in video on january 5th. january 6th encouraged people to go toward the capitol. what is in this plea deal is that he actually did de-escalate five separate times these conflicts between police officers and rioters and tried to separate them. you can see it on video. it is a really unique case and it is a question of whether or not this ever would have been brought in the first place had it not been for this really becoming the focus of so many conspiracy theories. and questions from members of congress, including today, during the hearing with merrick garland. >> he pleaded guilty today. ryan reilly, thank you very much. coming up next, new details
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the $100 million f-35 that crashed in rural south carolina was apparently flying on its own for more than 30 minutes after the pilot ejected. nbc news correspondent sam brock spoke to a couple who they say they saw it just before it crashed. >> reporter: we're learning new details about how a missing fighter jet came hurdling back to land, shaving off tree tops before crash landing in a remote area. but still no explanation as to how the military managed to lose track of the $100 million aircraft or why its pilot ejected. >> that will be something that they will investigate. believe me, after every aviation mishap, the pentagon does what the pentagon does, they'll investigate it to try to get the
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answers on what happened. >> reporter: when those answers come isn't clear. do you feel lucky today? >> yes. i feel lucky that it hit a field. >> reporter: as a wider view of the wayward path shows the pilot ejecting in north charleston, but the jet ending up 80 miles away in williamsburg county. usually airplanes other military aircraft in which the pilot ejected, it -- the airplane will fly for a while, maybe 30 seconds to a minute. but several minutes, that is surprising. >> reporter: the marine corps says the pilot ejected around 1:30 sunday and residents reported their homes shaking after 2:00, meaning it could have been flying on auto pilot for more than half an hour. >> it is kind of probably 100 feet above the tree tops. >> reporter: eyewitnesses adrian and steven truelock live a few miles from the crash site and were celebrating their son's 7th birthday when they saw the jet dropping. >> going inverted, and -- >> reporter: the jet itself was inverted? >> it was probably three-quarters of the way. we could see the canopy.
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>> reporter: demos of the f-35 b aircraft posted by lockheed martin show's ability to hover and land if a vertical column. as for the truelocks, they said they saw the plane in tact and didn't think much about a boom they heard later until they heard reports of a missing fighter jet the next day. what call did you make? >> i called, but it wasn't -- it probably wasn't until 4:00-ish and i think they had already zeroed in about where it was, you know, at that point. >> reporter: hours later, the debris field was confirmed. >> sam brock, thank you very much. and that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. on capitol hill today, the justice department, it really exists for those of us on earth one, came crashing up

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