chris, good to see you a always, my friend. enjoy the rest of your evening off. to you at home for joining u this hour. about donald trump in one word which is he's a loser and everything he's been has lost and somehow the republican party has not seen he's a loser. >> it's hard to imagine a.

>> special election, you name it and he's still losing on the ticket thank tuesday you at home for joining us this hour now, at this point i think it is safe to say that we have all seen at least, you know, a few clips of trump's infamous speech, certainly this one here on january 6th the morning of. and we've seen the selfie video donald trump jr. filmed back on stage in that tent on that day and heard countilous testimonies from witnesses about the discussions whether trump himself would get to walk with protesters as they walked up to the capitol. it is easy to feel we've learned all we can on that fateful day or at least there wouldn't be anymore surprises, but that would be a mistake because today we may have learned something jaw dropping and entirely new.

today the guardian released some of the first excerpts of former trump white house aide cassidy hutchinson's new memoir. and in that memoir she alleges rudy giuliani groped her she writes, quote, i find rudy in the back of the tent, the corners of his mouth split into a cheshire cat smile waving a stack of documents, he moves towards me like a wolf closing in on its prey we have the evidence, it's all here, we're going to pull this off, hutchinson describes rudy as saying and then, quote, rudy wraps one arm around my body closing the space that was separating us. i feel his stack of documents pressed into the small of my back i lower my eyes and watch his free hand reach for the hem of my blazer. by the way, he says, fingering the fabric, i'm loving this leather jacket on you. his hand slips under my blazer then my skirt.

hutchinson then describes giuliani's fingers trailing up her thigh all allegedly right in front of trump's other lawyer, john eastman i am sure the validity of this allegation will be fought over aggressively in the coming days and weeks. but even just the allegation itself is a good reminder that this chapter, this ugly chapter of american history is still being written. today in the georgia case against trump and the other 18 defendants that were allegedly involved in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election today in georgia fulton county district attorney fani willis' office filed a notice with the court claiming that six of the defense attorneys in the case may have conflicts of interest now, that may be legally interesting later down the road, but what jumped out at everyone who read that filing was this.

as part of the d.a.'s office and the explanation of these potential conflicts, the office included a potential list of witnesses they might call in the case and on that list was this guy, pro-trump attorney lin wood ultimately for whatever reason she did not and now mr. wood is claiming to the press today he has not flipped against president trump, but he is saying he's been told to expect a subpoena so whether he is cooperating or not, he may be testifying that we know, and there is a lot we could still learn from him wood, of course, filed his own lawsuit trying to stop the certification of the election in georgia, and he pushed content online that suggested the election had been rigged but i have a feeling that prosecutors might be more interested in him as a host, and

here's what i mean by that these are some image of the former slave plantation mr. woods owns in south carolina unbelievably, one of the buildings wood owns down there is still to this day called cotton hall. and after the 2020 election lin wood claims he invited the likes of sidney powell, michael flynn, a few others down to stay for multiple nights and use the plantation as a home base for planning their efforts to overturn our election. quote, they setup in my living room and one of the sun rooms. they looked like election central. they had computers, white boards they were working. now, mike flynn stayed so long that november -- in november he ended up carving the woods' thanksgiving turkey. wood could be a very useful witness to prosecutors even if he was just a fly on the wall in all of that. and obviously there is a big

difference here in terms of the extent of a witness like cassidy hutchinson and someone like rudy giuliani or even a lin wood, but those are the players in this drama, so how do prosecutors make sense of all of these witnesses? joining me now are kriti greenberg, and melissa redman, now a professor afflaw at the university of georgia school of law. great to have both of you with us melissa, is it particularly meaningful to say lin wood's name on a list of potential witnesses? can you see the reason why d.a. fani willis might call him to testify in the rico case is there anything we can glean from that filing today in terms of what kind of case she is building >> sure. i think what we can determine

from her placing lin wood on the witness list she has some testimony she needs to get out before this trial. we know he testified to a grand jury previously with a subpoena,

he testified for an hour, an hour and a half. so whatever that testimony is she has to get out during the course of the trial. she has to put him on the witness list and give him a subpoena we'll see whether he voluntarily

complies with the subpoena or have him comply as a witness if he refuses to come we do know there was something whether it was meeting he held in south carolina or his actions in the lawsuit challenging the election results there's some testimony he has that's valuable to her in the case >> speaking what that testimony might be this is a guy who since 2020 has definitely taken a reputational hit but what would be the advantage of putting somebody like a lin wood who has also given up his law practice or his law license because of the reputational risk. why put him on the stand i mean is that a risk? >> well, so first he has criminal exposure, right the special grand jury recommended charges against him, so if she is going to put him on the stand fani willis has, one, determined after speaking to him he's credible and truthful

otherwise you don't put a witness on the stand generally speaking if they aren't. and two, they've dealt with whatever that criminal exposure is you'd expect some kind of immunity at least on the limited topics he may be asked about but barring that he was in a position to know about these widespread election fraud claims remember he and sidney powell are part of the release the kraken effort. that's how they branded that effort just like the kraken being a mythical sea monster we know these widespread election fraud claims were mythical too he could be a very valuable witness. if you remember in the eastern district of michigan when there was a sanction hearing, he tried to distance himself from sidney powell and that kraken effort. so maybe he's turned a corner despite what he's saying publicly >> what he's saying to fani willis' office may be different

than what he's saying. the new revelations is obviously the latest in a series of problems facing giuliani he was once trump's lawyer and then played a very prom independent role in trying to overturn the election, and there is another big problem for giuliani that his own attorney is suing him to recover i believe about $1.3 million in unpaid legal fees. are problems like giuliani's something that a prosecutor as smart, as savvy as fani willis' could exploit or certainly pay attention to would it potentially make him a target for cooperation given he's so vulnerable and poeks ezed right now >> it would depend whether or not he's useful to the prosecutor, whether or not he'd be a credible witness. given his past statements and actions, he might not be that

valuable certainly if he has to make some personal decisions how far he has to ride this train, he may very well approach the prosecutor to ask if there's something they can work out, if he has something of value she needs to prove her case. given his participation in the conspiracy or the alleged conspiracy, i would be doubtful that she would be the one to approach him in reference to any type of negotiation or cooperation agreement. >> and speaking of legal fees i want to play for you what peter navarro said on this network earlier with my colleague. and obviously he was indicted for contempt of congress for thought showing up, he was found guilty there's something interesting he revealed today which donald trump has through a fund paying for his legal fees >> how much did he help pay for your legal fees, donald trump? >> about $300,000. my legal fees are well in excess of 6

part of the problem here is this notion of if you can't put me in prison, you can at least bankrupt me. >> so is it interesting that trump or perhaps even a fund associated with trump is paying the likes of -- the legal fees for someone like peter navarro even though he's not been indicted in the january 6th probes we're seeing or any other charges he's facing? and what does it mean for people like sidney powell and lin wood? >> well, the facts trump or some pac associated with him is paying for his legal fees, certainly gives every incentive for the person getting their legal fees paid for to not necessarily provide damaging information to the prosecutors about that person. we don't know what other information peter navarro may have had that could be damaging to trump, so certainly every incentive is for him to stay on donald trump's good side or else, you know, the money dries up >> melissa, today you had lawyers for three more of donald trump's codefendants, the three

so-called fake electors appeared in federal court arguing their cases to be moved there. you've got jeffrey clark's attorney arguing for his own case to be removed earlier this week we are obviously still awaiting the federal judge's decision on that specifically, but you had the former chief of staff mark meadows appealing a ruling against moving his case when that was initially shutdown. do you have any predictions for where this whole effort goes from here? >> i anticipate if the judge denies removal of jeffrey clark and the fake electors depending which side of the aisle you're on, i fully expect they'll also appeal those rulings again, they be no inceptive to get this case tried as soon as possible they will exercise every opportunity they have to try to

get in federal court it may change depending on if there's a ruling in the meadows case before we have a ruling from judge jones on their case and they have an opportunity to appeal and, you know, they kind of read the tea leaves based on the meadows ruling but other than that i would expect as soon as judge jones issues a ruling, they would appeal >> let me get your thoughts on the split screen we saw today. this was switching gears a bit to capitol hill, the attorney general merrick garland being, you know, i guess just questioned and bombarded by republicans for nearly 6 hours accusing him of weaponizing the department of justice. let me just play for you this clip and i'll get your reaction to that. >> i am not the president's lawyer i will add i am not congress' prosecutor the justice department works for the american people. >> as somebody who served as a

federal prosecutor and worked in the doj, i want to get your thoughts to how republicans have now turned what they have done -- i certainly believe everything they project is almost a confession of something that they have done, and especially when you think of what donald trump was trying to do with the doj especially when he put somebody like bill barr in and jeffrey clark in. what do you make of what you saw today? >> i mean merrick garland is obviously not the president's lawyer the president's son was just indicted by a special counsel that, you know, garland cleared the way to have those charges be brought because he allowed for the special counsel process to happen the fact the president's son has now been charged with charges that are legally questionable as well as questionable from a standpoint of fairness, you know, most people who have situations where they're an addict don't necessarily and had possessed a gun for 11 days don't find themselves being

charged. i never saw charges like that when i was a prosecutor, so he's clearly not the president's lawyer and it's exactly what you said looking at the january 6th indictment in d.c., looking at the charges against, you know, jeffrey clark in georgia you can see it's exactly the opposite. the best defense is a good offense, and that's what they're doing here >> as i said i still believe every projection with republicans is in some ways a confession about what they did or what they were trying to do thank you to the both of you greatly appreciate you starting us off this evening. and this quick programming note, to be sure to tune in next monday when rachel maddow will interview cassidy hutchinson about her new book this will be hutchinson's first live interview before testifying publicly before the january 6th committee. this is 9:00 p.m. eastern on monday here on msnbc we have a lot more to come tonight including president biden trying to channel fdr with

a new deal program to tackle climate change but first house speaker kevin mccarthy trying to hang on amid the chaos from inside his own party. more on that next.

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what do you say to people back home who may not follow this closely >> we're dysfunctional >> it's just that simple

>> it's that simple. we are so dysfunctional. we've got nobody at the head >> echoing a bipartisan sentiment. house republicans are dysfunctional. now, multiple votes brought forth by speaker kevin mccarthy have been stymied by his own party. republicans followed behind closed doors to once again try and reach some compromise on funding, and it sounds like there may be some kind of tentative progress >> i think we've got a plan to move forward going to dod and then going to a number of other appropriation bills. >> and what are the cr, sir? >> we're very close there. i feel like we've got a little more movement to go there. >> all right, but with speaker mccarthy facing multiple attacks

from within his own party this week, a little more movement actually could still be a very long way to go joining me now is someone who has been closely following what she calls the rage of the toddler caucus on capitol hill, susan glasser of "the new yorker." she's back on the show susan, great to so you thank you for being here you heard kevin mccarthy saying they're very close on a continuing resolution. do you believe it? >> well, define very close if you say that very close means actually very, very far away then maybe it is almost made inevitable by the very close house majority that republicans won last year in the elections remember it took 15 ballots just for mccarthy to become speaker back in january, so in a big picture sense it was not a surprise he was going to face a rebellion like this one, but, you know, the republicans in congress are a party divided,

and they're not even divided neatly into two camps. there's a fragmentation that's gone on here that makes it impossible for mccarthy. he could crowd one group and another group could raise their hands and object they seem intent on crashing the country into another self-made crisis >> and speaking of you've got matt gaetz one of the ones leading the anti-mccarthy charge at least in january when he was one of the people who forced 15 ballot counts. based on the rhetoric, just the language mat gaetz has been using to describe kevin mccarthy, it looks like there's a serious problem. >> yes, it does look like there's a serious problem, indeed look, even the bargaining chips that these members of congress, even what they want is not

clear. that really struck me the other day when mccarthy was asked by some reporters in the capitol, you know, what's going on, what do they want, and he said i don't even know. and when you're bargaining with people who can't even articulate what it is that they would accept as a bottom line in order to avert this crisis, then you know on some level that we're in trouble. i keep thinking of the line from succession, these are not serious people >> and he finds himself in this predicament right now because of how he needs to get this bill passed mccarthy was asked early today if he thought it was possible to vote on a continuing resolution without having to tap into the democrats, no democrats onboard. listen to what he said >> is it actually possible to pass something with just republican votes >> i believe so. those are the same people we have dealt with in all the legislation before

>> given his own party has derailed the pentagon bill and all the other bills this week alone, does mccarthy sound overly optimistic? >> well, he is an optimist or he wouldn't be in this job because it requires arguably the patience of job to deal with this kind of threat from any single member in his conference, literally any single member in this conference could at any moment press a vote to vacate the chair and to oust him. that was a key concession that mccarthy gave back in january in order to win the speakership in the first place. so in the end he is it strikes me a hostage but a more or less willing hostage to this faction of far-right members in his own conference >> so if you can i mean i want to play this for you, matt gaetz speaking on that specific issue. if mccarthy does tap into the democrats and has to go the bipartisan route on government funding, listen to what matt

gaetz said and i'll get your thoughts on it >> speaker mccarthy relies on democrats to pass a continuing resolution, i would call the capitol moving truck to his office pretty soon because my expectation would be he'd be out of the speaker's office quite promptly >> put that in perspective for us how weak is kevin mccarthy as a result of that sentiment from matt gaetz >> look, he is a weak speaker because he doesn't have a functioning governing majority at the same time i would note just last week mccarthy was already very frustrated and furious with matt gaetz who was essentially trying to blackmail him and he already reported to say in his own conference if he wants to threaten me and make me squared, bring the f-ing motion to vacate the chair, and i would note he's not brought the motion so that tells you a little bit about the sort of kabuki theater they're engaging in. >> if it's not kaev that the

right flank of the party is listening to, who do you think it is? >> you know, look, there is a big difference between members of congress like matt gaetz and mar marjorie taylor greene and there's different factions in the house not to mention the senate republicans who march to a beat of a different drummer as well donald trump remains as liz cheney so memorably quoting another republican house member last year called him their orange jesus and, you know, look, he is in the process of running away with a republican nomination. he was, you know, discussing plans to launch an impeachment inquiry in the house with marjorie taylor greene days before mccarthy agreed to it so he is at a very minimum there sort of ideological leader, if you will, of his band.

>> yeah, couldn't agree with you more on that never heard orange jesus before. not sure how i feel about that one. susan glasser, great to see you. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you and we have a lot more news to get to tonight including what is behind the embrace of bechgen netanyahu and elan musk, and what it means for the trafficking of anti-semitism on the latter platform. but president biden this week implored world leaders to help tackle the climate crisis. >> my administration, the united states, has treated this crisis as an existential threat from it moment we took office. not only for us but for all of humanity >> and today he announced another big step in that effort, announcing a new deal-style initiative we're going to have more on that coming up right after the break. ♪ oh what a good time we will have ♪ ♪ you can make it happen ♪ ♪ yeah oh ♪

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let them go into forestry and flood prevention work. nearly twice as many men as we have in the army itself. and we are killing two birds with one stone we are clearly enhancing the value of our natural resources

and at the same time we are relieving an insatiable amount of actual distress >> all right, so what you just heard there was a clip from a 1933 fireside chat by president franklin delano roosevelt in which he pitched the nation on something that had never been done before, a novel idea. it would eventually put millions of americans to work during the great depression this new deal program actually helped build america's public lands. billions of trees were planted, hundreds of state parks and trails were built. and in fact it was among the fastest civilian mobilizations in american history and became incredibly popular at the time so it is no wonder that president biden would want to build upon that legacy and draw ips operation from it and fulfill a campaign promise he made back in 2020. today the biden administration announced the launch of the civilian climate corp, which it

says aims to create more than 20,000 jobs in the growing fields of energy, conservation and climate resilience climate organizers including groups like the sunrise movement and democratic lawmakers have been pushing for biden to launch this program by executive order ever since it was negotiated out of the inflation reduction act and while this is a smaller version of what the original ira proposal was and much, much smaller than fdr's new deal initiative, many are calling it a notable step towards addressing today's climate crisis joining me now is gena mccarthy and former epa administrator under president obama. gena, great to have you with us. thank you for coming to new york and joining us on set even though you're from boston. we appreciate it there's two ways to look at this every step counts. i think most people would agree anything to help climate change -- to fight climate change is important.

but look that the scale and what is this actually doing and the focus is more on mitigation than prevention how important is this realistically, and is it more symbolic than impactful? >> i think it's important because more young people care about climate change and they want to participate. this is about actual job training opportunities in clean energy, which is a future. and it's also resilient because if disaster strikes, there's more ability to protect people so this is giving young people more important especially young people that come from communities that aren't rich, communities that really need these jobs and these young people will be able to get that type of experience, plus they're going to get a little boost in reduction in their college tuition. so this has a lot of makings of something that is really a great start and could end up continuing to move forward

because they'll get clean energy jobs they'll be already experienced, and they'll know what they're doing. and so this is a great opportunity for us i think for young people to get some jobs and experience >> can you expand on that part of it a little bit because i know you were privy to the initial negotiations around the ira, which was to setup a climate court, but what are the jobs of the future that areas that are impoverished and these people -- these young people that you're talking about are going to pursue. >> you know, clean energy jobs can be as simple as you work with a community to the identify a strategy to reduce greenhouse gases. you actually work with them to look at all the benefits of the inflation reduction act, especially the consumer benefits you teach them how to access these rebates and these tax credits. you look at opportunities to actually go into natural resource areas to help clear land, to get the underbrush out

and save the -- lower the opportunity for fire damage to happen so there's just a wide variety of opportunities, and it's -- i'm sure it's going to be really exciting and potentially be oversubscribed is my guess >> let's hope so that would certainly be good news, i think. i don't know if you caught the earlier segment. we had a clip from a congressman from tennessee just describing washington as dysfunctional, and so i guess my question to you -- i'm sure that's not a surprise to you i think he was specifically talking about capitol hill and congress, but shouldn't the president rely more on executive order to deal with the issue on climate change given the time crunch civilization finds itself in when nothing is getting done on capitol hill? should he rely more on executive order in any capacity to fight climate change >> well, i think the thing to remember is he's gotten things done on the hill i mean we're talking about the bipartisan infrastructure law which is really allowing us to have more resilient infrastructure, and then you're talking about the inflation

reduction act, which is more than $370 billion. and we're already in one year when this bill extends these credits and tax rebates and other things for some of them ten years. in the first year we've already seen $278 billion of investments, so we're talking about huge success already, and they're taking these dollars and really making a lot of it because not so much they're standing up and saying bravo, we're addressing climate change, they're saying bravo we're creating an economic future for our country, a healthier future, one that actually focuses investment on the communities left behind. >> speaking of economic futures, i want to ask you and get your thoughts on something we're talking about in break and that is the global south. a lot of attention this week has been trying to focus resources

to the global south not because they are the largest contributors of pollution to our planet, in fact perhaps the opposite we know it's come from the developing world and china, but how do you begin to recalibrate the thinking about the resources that need to be sent to the global south to help with their economic future? >> i think the first thing you have to do is reconcile that while the u.s. is moving forward and with the inflation reduction act and other things, we are sort of moving the other countries in the developed world to actually take similar action. but what we have to recognize is that the rest of the world needs to engage. the populations are large. the poverty can be extreme they need economic development solutions. they need sustainable energy they need the support of the developed world to actually ensure that they have the same opportunities that we have you know as well as i that we're

the ones that emitted most of the greenhouse gases we still are, and it's really time for us to step up and use our private sector and public sector to work together to find benefits that will benefit all of us. >> yeah, let's hope we can do it sooner than later. we certainly need it thank you so much. all right, we have a lot more ahead tonight including ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy tough talk at the united nations general assembly directed at the russians themselves stay with us hey jim! hey! can we talk about your yoga breaks? sure. get fast, powerful cough relief with robitussin, and find your voice. ♪ robitussin ♪

last weekend was rosh hashanah, the jewish new year celebrated around the globe, and right at the end of that holiday donald trump decided to post this on his site just a quick reminder -- let's hope you learned from your mistakes and make better choices moving forward, happy new year an attack on liberal jews during the high holidays is shocking, inappropriate. and the kind of thing you might expect from the former president on his website but if you're hoping things are better over on the other social media sites, well, we've got some bad news for you. elon musk, owner of it website formerly known as twitter chose to celebrate the holiday weekend by trafficking in

anti-semitic tropes about jewish billio billionaires for weeks if you haven't been following elon musk has been locked in a battle with the anti-defamation league, america's most prominent organization dedicated to combating anti-semitism. and during that fight musk has elevated prominent white supremacists and echoed their calls to ban the anti-defamation league from his platform he even appeared to endorse comments from a known irish white nationalist who self-identifies as a raging anti-semite. t that. >> i also know your opposition to anti-semitism you've spoken about it, tweeted about it, and i know you're committed to that. i hope you succeed in it it's not an easy task, but

encourage you to and urge you to find the balance it's a tough one >> i think generally -- i'm sort of against attacking any group you know, doesn't matter who it is, i'm in favor of that when furthers civilization. >> well, this is not -- not a new game for the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. in fact, he's met with leaders like turkish president erdogan who's also trafficked in anti-semitism. he's formed a close alliance with victor orban, a man notorious for trafficking anti-semitism. even if benjamin netanyahu faces backlash at home, he's meeting some of the more strident right wingers on the national stage. that may be why he's embracing elon musk and why elon musk is embracing him. still ahead tonight, it is

day three of the united nations general assembly, and things are heating up as the ukrainian president squared off with the russian ambassador calling the country a terrorist state. we're going to have more on those remarks and the u.n.'s response next.

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united nations however, these are the situations that have changed everything for the u.n. we should recognize that the u.n. found itself on a deadlock on the matters of aggression. >> today in the united nations security council meeting ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy denounced russia as a terrorist state while sitting across from the russian ambassador who was seen scrolling through his phone as zelenskyy spoke. russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov left the room even before remarks began. zelenskyy also called out the u.n. court's ability to meaningfully curve russian aggression since russia invaded his country, the ukrainian president has had to walk a fine line rendering criticism while seeking more aid from allies who face increasing domestic pressure to end aid commitment but some countries are actually finding ways to work around domestic political pressure to

get ukraine the help it is asking for joining us now is ambassador william taylor, former u.s. envoy to ukraine ambassador, thank you for being here greatly appreciate it. let me start with this interesting report we learned about from the u.s it's from the intercept and the u.s. has secretly brokered a deal with pakistan to provide weapons for ukraine in exchange for an urgently needed bailout from the international monetary fund earlier this year let me just get your reactions to this reporting and this practice >> the u.s. government, the pentagon but the state department as well, they've been searching for weapons and ammunition, the right kind of ammunition that the ukrainians can use all over the world and they have gone to great lengths to identify some nations don't want to send their weapons or ammunition directly to ukraine, but they're willing to send it to us, to the united

states so we've gone to great lengths to find this for the ukraine there are a lot of nations out there that can do this it's not surprising we're doing everything we can to keep them in the fight, and we can do that by providing the weapons both from our stocks, our manufacturers as well as those around the world >> you certainly know the relationship pakistan has with india, and i'm curious to get your thoughts if that complicates things india has taken a neutral stance in russia's conflict with ukraine. according to the reporting pack stj which obviously we mentioned is now sending arms to ukraine, do you see this as a potential for tension given india and

pakistan's complicated history they're now perceived in the russia-ukraine war to be on differing sides? >> you're right and certainly the case that the indians have tried to stay neutral in this. they've taken advantage of the low cost oil and gas that the russians have had to offer because of the price gap the inldians have been looking to take advantage of that. the indians have not been aggressively supporting the russians, and the pakistanis have been supportive of the ukrainians >> ukraine's grain as you mentioned has become very expensive because of russia's blockage and blockade of kyiv

exports. do you think this rift could cause poland to back out of helping ukraine, or it is a rare and singular display >> i think it's more of the latter it's a rare display. and as we know there are politics in all things so the polls have an election coming up. farmers are an important constituency as they are everywhere, so there's really an intent on the part of the polish government to be defending the farmers. at the same time they're among the strongest supporters of ukraine and they continue to be among the strongest supporters of ukraine both on weapons, on taking on refugees and a range of issues being very helpful to ukraine and they're not back off of that. there are politics and issues they have to do, things they

have to say as the election approaches, but i don't think this is a sign of a rift between poland and ukraine >> let me if i can widen the conversation to other news taking place you had the saudi crown brins sitting down with fox news in an interview that aired earlier today. what do you make of the rehabilitation of saudi arabia and the comeback of the crown prince that his or her making almost five years to the day that jamal khashoggi was killed in turkey? >> no one should forget that no one should forget how that person died, and no one will that said as we've seen leaders from around the world have dealt with other leaders from around the world. sometimes you have to deal with people you don't agree with, don't respect, but there are issues that you have to interact with people, and this is what's happening with -- with the saudis >> all right, ambassador, william taylor, thank you so much

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