radical departure from the ftc's own standards for such claims. he also added that the complaints full of cherry picked quotes taken out of context and mischaracterized by the agency for its part, the ftc has been ratcheting its regulatory challenge, and the commission is expected to file a separate, long awaited antitrust suit against the company as soon as this month, according to multiple reports >> morgan brennan, always love having you on the show thank you, that's going to do it for us this hour join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 eastern. our coverage continues with yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur right now. hi, everybody. good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend, katy tur quote, if we don't get the aid, we will lose the war

that is how leader chuck schumer summarized volodymyr zelenskyy's plea for help, as zelenskyy returns to washington as a pivotal moment for his country and for this country as well he is asking for $24 billion in military and humanitarian aid, which would bring the total of u.s. commitment during the 18 months of russia's invasion to more than $137 billion in just a couple of moments, he and president biden are going to meet, and then address the american people from the east room of the white house. but despite zelenskyy's repeated pleas about the stakes for his people and the risks of an emboldened russian president, despite assurances from president biden at the u.n., zelenskyy could leave washington with nothing house speaker mccarthy denying the ukrainian leader's request to make his case to the entire congress with a growing number of republicans saying the price of u.s. support is simply too

high to continue with no end in sight. a stalemate over the federal budget appears to leave ukrainian aid out as well, but the war is nowhere near over russia unleashing one of its largest missile assaults across ukraine in a month, just hours after president sezelenskyy ward the world if putin was allowed to win, it would be open season across europe. we have peter alexander, nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, on the ground in odessa, jhukraine, and capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles as well. peter alexander start things off, we are awaiting the rival of president zelenskyy, his wife, they're going to have a bilateral meeting within the next 30 minutes or so. we're expecting an expanded bilateral meeting as well. what are the expectations from the white house for this meeting? >> reporter: let's set the scene for you.

this will be the first time that president zelenskyy has come to the white house to meet in person with in washington with president biden since december, and this will punctuate a critical political mission for zelenskyy here in the united states, following his address before the united nations. his visit with lawmakers earlier today. now that personal appeal directly to president biden, his effort to get an additional $24 billion in security and humanitarian assistance to help ukraine in staving off this invasion from russia you can see the red carpet over our shoulder here, the south lawn of the white house. we've just been told by officials here behind the scenes, that we do expect to see president volodymyr zelenskyy arriving here in 10 to 15 minutes. they will have a series of opportunities to visit they will have ceremonial moments as they walk together. some pictures that certainly the world will see of these two powerful leaders together, and they will meet privately in oval office cameras will be allowed in briefly, their opportunity to communicate directly

wider groups of teams will meet at the white house as well zelenskyy to wrap up the trip will deliver a speech about 5:00 this evening but this does come at an urgent moment, and it comes amid real skepticism from some of those lawmakers on capitol hill, most notably the republicans, many that you noted having real concerns about more money, about approving more money to go to ukraine at this time their concern is what has become a grinding and perhaps a stalled counter offensive, and they fear that this war could go on and the price tag could keep growing. zelenskyy, though, has cleared made a powerful case so far, as he did when he was in new york city, describing the invasion as criminal, and as you said, very bluntly, in the words of chuck schumer who recounted what zelenskyy said behind closed doors today, if we don't get this aid, we will lose the war today the president will announce an additional $325 million in aid. the national security adviser

jake sullivan telling us in the last hour that that does include significant air defense capabilities, but what it will not include, he made clear, is what he referred to as atacms, long range ballistic missile that will help stave off the russians further into crimea it's one thing that zelenskyy has been ask for for quite some type. >> we're keeping our eye on the south lawn for the arrival of president zelenskyy, his wife there as well. while we're having this conversation, i want to go from there to ryan nobles president zelenskyy was there earlier today as well. he had a one-on-one with speaker mccarthy speaker mccarthy saying when it came to addressing congress, we didn't have the time for a joint session. we have already provided a joint session. talk us through, ryan, if you will, how he was received at the capitol? >> reporter: i don't think there's any doubt that his message was received pretty well by those who heard it, and that

includes 70 united states senators, a collection of leaders on the house side as well and to be clear, there is broad support here in congress to continue the support for ukraine. the issue is really just a small faction of republicans, most of them in the house of representatives who are concerned about the funding levels to ukraine not being more closely monitored and there being no end in sight. what zelenskyy was really trying to impress upon the members that he met with today, was that, a, they are doing everything they can to be accountable for this funding, but that, b, he doesn't view this as being a forever war and that the funding is necessary to prevent it from being a forever war. now, we don't expect that's going to change too many minds from those who are opposed to the ukraine funding continuing to happen, we do think, though, it could mean that there will be more accountability attached to funding that goes here on out. accountability for not only

zelenskyy and his administration when they hand that money out but to the biden administration when they dole the money out to ukraine as well. make no mistake, there are very tight margins in washington, particularly on capitol hill, and they're having a hard time coming up with a general budget, much less the specific funding for ukraine as well. there are no guarantees right now, which is part of why i think you saw the president come directly to capitol hill to make that pitch to the people that will ultimately make that decision. >> richard engel, take us inside ukraine right now. vladimir putin is certainly making it a little bit easier for zelenskyy to make his case here, with these most recently brutal attacks on ukraine, this odd coupling, especially as he's asking for more weapons, not only from kim jong un of north korea, but also as we know, he has been consistently getting weapons from iran, and then this offense from ukraine that has not been going as well as they had hoped. >> the chips are stacked against

president zelenskyy, and against ukraine right now. the trip by kim jong un to russia was apparently a huge success, and so it seems that perhaps quite soon, russia will be getting more weapons from north korea. kim jong un even extended his trip and visited other military factories, so the military cooperation between those two countries seems to be expanding. russia has been getting many many drones from iran, which it's been using on a nightly basis across this country. russia had more weapons to begin with from ukraine. and now ukraine isn't showing the same kind of advances that it was having on the battlefield, and when president zelenskyy said earlier, apparently to members of congress, unless they get this funding, they will lose the war, here in this country, they ask themselves, not how much does it cost for victory, they also think about what is the price of

failure. what is the cost of losing this war, and if you're a ukrainian, the cost of losing this war means losing your country. potentially losing your identity in areas that have been captured by russian forces, the russians have been kidnapping children, sending them to indoctrination centers where they're taught to love russia and told that the reason that this war is happening is all because of ukraine, even though it was russia that invaded ukraine. they're very concerned there have been masquerades, war crimes, they're concerned that the cost of failure can't be counted in the number of billions of dollars. ukrainians also realize that at the end of the day, they are dependent on foreign aid, that's why you're seeing president zelenskyy make this trip at this time because the situation is vulnerable here. i have been doing front line positions, they don't have great

reserves of ammunition they're using what they have, and they are dependent on the next round of weapons coming in in order to keep the fight going as russian troops are firing and in some cases, advancing. >> richard engel i know it's late there in ukraine, and you have some more reporting to do so we appreciate you, my friend, and thank you for your reporting from ukraine for this courtney, i'm going to come to you on this, and richard helped make a perfect transition, that is the munitions needs that zelenskyy has on the ground there. i know he was at the pentagon earlier today as well, along with the capitol as we spoke to ryan about talk about what he was talking about when it comes to munitions and what they were willing to give. >> as long as this war is going on, ukraine is always going to need ammunition. that's a constant ask, and we see that just about every single one of these security assistance packages the main message, as far as needs, as we're hearing from president zelenskyy today, is the need for longer range

systems, specifically atacms, so these are -- it provides them with more range, and more fire power. now, officials we have spoken with say that for months and months, the u.s. was saying they were not spinterested in sendin the atacms, didn't have enough in the stockpile, they are leaning towards maybe sending them we don't expect that announcement today they are leaning towards potentially setting them, and according to several defense official wes spoke to about this, the variant they're considering sending would include a cluster munition, so that would not only provide them with the additional range but cluster munitions, they sent out bomblets on the target it gives more range on the target in that consideration atacms is what they're looking for. now, as far as the money, we have heard from ryan nobles and peter alexander, president biden is looking for $24 billion, keep in mind that the u.s. still has more than $5 billion

in the current funding that's a number of packages. $300 million today you're talking still several packages they can move forward with, even if that additional funding is not provided. what ukraine still needs is ammunition, for this current counter offensive, which we have been talking about for some time here, ukraine is making some advances, some slow progress, why they want this range is so that they can go over the russian front lines. something like an atacms would provide the ability to launch over the russian front lines into the command and control notes of the russians back a little bit further set back, and also it would allow them to strike the russian supply lines. that's everything from columns of russian vehicles that are driving. they could stop them from potentially resupplying some of their front troops and really have a potential impact on this current counter offensive. we heard from a senior white house official about this today, amanda sloat about this current

package and the possibility of atacms, here's what she had to say earlier today on msnbc. >> it's the fourth package we will have announced in six weeks, and there is expected to be a very significant amount of air defense included in that package, which is the northeast critical capability that the ukrainians need now, but to your specific question, atacms are not going to be part of the package we're announcing today president biden has said that atacms are not off the table. >> the air defense systems she's talking about are the avengers, that's what we're expecting in this package today it provides a shorter range air defense capability, generally against helicopters, lower flying aircraft. this isn't an air war, where this could be helpful to the ukrainians and where it has been, the u.s. has provided them already is these things fire off stinger missiles, they're mobile, they can move them around on a vehicle, and they can go after cruise missiles and uavs, or drones. >> peter alexander, zelenskyy wants these, at this point he's

knot not getting these atacms, they're going to actually lose this war biden has this up hill battle. there's a new cnn polling out. the majority of americans saying no more aid to ukraine you have this letter written by republicans, addressed to the white house, and i want to read the quote from this letter, the american people deserve to know what the money has gone to are the ukrainians closer to victory than they were six months ago, what is our strategy and what the president's exit plan how does the president address this up hill battle when it comes to continued support fr ukr for ukraine? >> i think the president feels strongly, and we got a two-minute warning we'll be quiet so you can appreciate that moment for yourself, and an opportunity for us to ask any questions but i think the president, president biden believes that president zelenskyy is the best advocate for his own country in this moment

president biden obviously has done everything in his power, the white house says, to try to keep the world community to communicate how significant this moment is, and that if vladimir putin is to overrun ukraine, the war does not end in ukraine, it could spread well beyond that, not only that, but send a powerful message to aggressors around the world they too could try to do something not to dissimilar, china and taiwan and elsewhere. we can see the color guard gathered behind us here with the blue and yellow that makes up the ukrainian flag you know what that represents a lot of people didn't recognize it, the blue representing the ukrainian sky, the golden yellow representing the crops, the wheat there that obviously has been so much a part of the ukrainian existence that they have provided to so much of the world, and because of this war, it's created food prices to spike in much of the world, certainly in the developing part of the world where they have not had access to the ukrainian wheat, the ukrainian grain at this time. but again, as we prepare to see president biden, he alongside

zelenskyy will have an opportunity to make the case on their own behalf zelenskyy having done it now multiple times this is his third trip to the white house since president biden took office, his second since the war began, and we should see him here moments from now. >> quickly, ryan, i want to come to you i may have to cut you off on this we are talking about a potential shutdown here in the coming days as we're watching the white house and the arrival of president zelenskyy along with his wife as well you had this second failed procedural vote. they had a meeting yesterday, thought things were going well they didn't. one of the things on the cutting board was aid to ukraine, as they're coming out of this, and negotiating what to do next, could that be on the chopping block? >> reporter: i think initially the build up will ultimately pass the house of representatives if it's done with the majority of republican support, likely will not have ukraine funding involved in it it's important to point out we're talking about two separate pieces of legislation here

there's the stand alone defense appropriations bill which that procedural vote failed again today which is something unheard of in the house of representatives, and there's a separate continuing resolution that would keep the government open past that deadline of september 30th right now, there are not enough votes in the house of representatives to pass either one of these things. there is perhaps an effort, particularly on the senate side that if a continuing resolution to keep the government open does end up passing that they add ukraine funding to it, once it gets to the senate side. it will have to go back to the house, and it faces that same level of opposition, and you know, earlier today, if we have time for it, the speaker, he expressed a real sense of frustration within his party that they could not get the defense bill moved forward take a listen. >> creating the sense that i don't understand why anybody votes against bringing the idea, having the debate, and you've got all the amendments if you don't like the bill. this is a whole new concept of individuals who want to burn the

place down that doesn't work. look, i find it as a challenge, and we're going to solve it. >> reporter: to complain what mccarthy is talking about today, the vote wasn't about the legislation, it was about whether or not the legislation could be brought to the floor, and for instance, representative marg marjorie taylor greene of georgia said it was because the defense authorization bill included funding for ukraine is one of the reasons she voted no to moving the bill forward it's a hot button issue on capitol hill, and fst it's goin take time to resolve itself, and i think that's part of why you see concern from president zelenskyy and why he felt he needed to look these members in the eye and explain to them just what he and his people are dealing with in ukraine. >> let me ask you this, ryan, as we're awaiting president search th zelenskyy there at the white house, was he able to meet with members of the freedom caucus when he visited the capitol? is there a sense at all that he could and was able to move the

needle with his assurances that this is not a never ending war, there is an end in sight, but we need the help to finish it >> reporter: it's a great question, and he did not specifically meet with any of the members of the freedom caucus he had the opportunity to meet with every single member of the united states senate about 70 of them came, but the skeptical members in the senate were not necessarily among those that were part of the conversations today. the person he really needed to leave the impression with most, though was the house speaker, kevin mccarthy, he had to convince him he needs to leaf the small faction of conservatives behind for the greater good it's a small group opposed to funding moving forward the vast majority of republicans in the senate, the vast majority of republicans in the house, and almost all democrats support ukraine funding. now, there are some concerns about adding some oversight accommodations to this legislation or, you know, directing the funding in very

specific areas, and those conversations can happen, but i would say it's maybe a handful of republicans completely opposed to ukraine receiving any funding going forward, so this is not something that is impossible the issue for kevin mccarthy is that he is choosing that small faction over the rest of the congress there's more than enough votes to pass this in the house of representatives, but if he's not willing to bring a bill to the floor, that reflects that, then there's no chance it would pass. so that's a back and forthright now. >> how much is this, ryan, about mccarthy's future here, and is he essentially being held hostage by the right wing freedom caucus of his party? we felt as if that was happening when it came to the announcement of the impeachment inquiry into president biden, and now, to get this thing across the finish line, or at least to get it to the floor for a debate all being held up by ukraine and these five members. >> reporter: yeah, so i would argue that the future of kevin mccarthy, the fact that he is

living under a cloud by which at any .1 member can come to the floor and offer up a motion to vacate, putting his speakership in jeopardy and put us through the marathon of voting like the beginning of his speakership that cloud is hanging over him at all times and we would be naive to think that the decisions he makes are not at least in part with a concern about holding on to his gavel. in fact, earlier today i was with a group of reporters talking to representative matt gaetz who's mccarthy's biggest irritant from florida, he has threatened repeatedly that he's willing to bring a motion to vacate to the floor. he was asked that question, are you using the motion to vacate to compel kevin mccarthy to do the things you want him to do. he said, yes, that's exactly the reason why we asked for the motion to vacate to begin at start of all of this the problem with mccarthy is he's in a situation where he continues to basically give the freedom caucus, and these hard right members everything they

want and it's still not enough you know, when he announced the impeachment inquiry, they said, why aren't you putting up articles of impeachment, why aren't we doing impeachment immediately, every time he tries to meet themwhere they are, they ask for something a little bit more it's almost as if he can't ever please them, and you know, the net result of all of this is that congress is crippled. you know, yasmin, there is a very good chance that they may lead this weekend without having passed any of these funding bills with the government barrelling toward a government shutdown because they don't have a bill that they can pass, and so, you know, those can conversations are happening right now, whether it's worth it to bring a bill to the floor so there's no doubt that the whole situation has been paralyzed in a way they haven't seen in a very long time, and no one seems to understand what the exit strategy is at this point. >> there's got to be frustration inside the white house, right,

as the president is awaiting the arrival of president zelenskyy and he's asking for this continued funding of ukraine, and also thinking simultaneously about the fact that the republicans can't even get this resolution to the floor for a debate and gets its own government funded. >> reporter: i think you're right. we should note that two-minute warning turned into a 12-minute warning. that's what the white house has indicated to us. we're anticipating it to happen imminently the white house wants to see house republicans, speaker mccarthy and the conference move on this. they recognized urgency. volodymyr zelenskyy has made it clear in speeches around the world and in new york and here in his private meetings in washington, d.c., but the white house's political strategy has been focused on this split screen, trying to demonstrate the efforts they have made to try to improve the american economy, to try to protect freedom and democracy around the world, making very clear where

they stand as it relates to ukraine, and trying to make the argument that there was chaos in the republican caucus. their view is that they are working in good faith alongside ukrainians that the republicans must do the same. >> is the white house at all, especially talking to republicans through all of this, posing it in a way in which we are seeing it, right, and as i mentioned to richard engel a little bit earlier, this odd union being made between china, russia, north korea and iran, right, north korea, iran, supporting weapons and giving weapons now, it seems, to vladimir putin, and yet here we are, the united states not committing to continued support of ukraine >> reporter: there's a cupouplef things i would say about that

they view the meeting in the eastern part of russia was clear evidence of the desperation of the russians right now in their view, that they are relying on regimes like that of the north koreans to be able to get the ammunition, artillery, whatever else they need to continue this invasion the white house has made clear the impact this has had on russia the impact to this point is not enough the white house recognizes nothing about ukraine without ukraine that ultimately it's up to president zelenskyy what decisions he will make he has made clear he's not going to turn over territory in ukraine, not in the south or the east that's crimea, heavily controlled by the russianis righ now. the kcase they're making, the stakes the consequences so high clearly not just ukraine but the rest of the world as well. they view this in the words of president biden, i can't tell you how many times we have heard him say this, as an inflection point, and this is as foreign policy goes in this administration, the key inflection point in history in

the view of the president. >> i want to talk more about the case being made at the pentagon as well. obviously knowing the nuances of the relationships between north korea, russia, china, and iran, and how the white house is posing this as the desperation of russian president vladimir putin to try and win this war in a war he was very much losing for quite some time, how do they see the politicalization of the funding of the war in ukraine? >> reporter: if you talk to them, you know, face to face, it's that there's still bipartisan support they still feel confident that there will continue to be support for the war in ukraine, provid providing witness and assistance for some time. it's not just a concern about potential funding but there are a lot of concerns about the stockpiles of these weapons that the u.s. has been providing. something like ammunition, yes, the u.s. can provide a lot of ammunition for ukraine, so can partners all around the world. but russia has also stepped up

capabilities that russia is now producing somewhere between 1 and 2 million rounds of ammunition every single year, so they are moving up their defense production there is concern how long this will go on you can't find anyone in the pentagon who says that they are worried that the u.s. will stop supporting it's just a matter of whether the level of support may change over time. again, i also want to stress, yes, they're asking for the additional funding, $24 billion, but there's still more than $5 billion in aid that has not been touched in this current funding that exists. that's a lot of packages of equipment and weapons that the u.s. can provide to ukraine before they run out of that money. >> is there a conversation about reconsidering providing atacms to ukraine in the future or is this an ultimate no-go at this point? >> it's not at all a no go

there's been a real pattern in how the u.s. has provided weapons. some of these biggest systems like the patriots and something like an f-16 where there's been weeks and months where the u.s. has said they're not going to provide them we've got a number of different reasons for it concerns about provocation, whether the u.s. has enough in the stockpile to provide them, whatever the reason being, in case after case after case, the u.s. has eventually gotten to a yes. at this point, officials were at a hard no on this several months ago. now we're hearing that they are leaning towards potentially sending them not imminently, but they're leaning in that direction. it's the same pattern we saw with tanks, javelins, very early on here. at this point, i do believe that the u.s. will provide the atacms, it's just a matter of when and how many, frankly it may not, this isn't one of those systems that we expect to be some major game changer on the field in ukraine given the number that the u.s. probably can provide >> ryan nobles, as courtney said, this is not really

necessarily a conversation for the future in which they're not going to provide anything at all, a matter of how much, many republicans, as you mentioned earlier, are in fact on board with continuing funding to the war and ukraine, and giving ukraine as much aid as they need along with those checks and balances i want to read for you, we have sound. i don't want to play it in case we see president zelenskyy arriving there at the white house, so we can go right to it. let me read from republican michael mccaul, the chair of the house foreign affairs community. if this administration won't give it to limb i submit we write in our appropriations, write what are the weapons he asked for that the administration won't give, in the appropriations bill, the democrats will be steny hoyer, nancy pelosi, and chairman meek's, we all agree, they need it, and they're going to get it. i have always said the majority support this there's some dissension on both sides but i said war of atriks

attrition is not going to win this is this more of what you're hearing, ryan? >> reporter: i would say that chairman mccaul is the north star when it comes to this conversation he's a conservative republican he understands the concerns of the right wing but at the same time is a foreign policy hawk, as chair of the house foreign affairs committee and somebody that has been very committed to the ukraine effort, and where he has tried to try and find common ground is over that specific issue you're talking about, and that is oversight. the biggest complaint that the hard right has about ukraine funding is that the money is just going, and they have no idea where it's ending up. you know, they have raised concerns about potential corruption in the defense ministry in ukraine. you saw the defense minister be pushed aside that may not be a coincidence, but at least a signal that there has been some impact by these concerns by house republicans, and so i think what chairman mccaul is hoping, and other

leaders on capitol hill are hoping is that if they can at least come to the table and say, this is the money that we're appropriating, we want this money to go for this specific purpose, not only does it help to keep, you know, at bay these concerns that the money is not being spent appropriately, but it also kind of puts the administration and the pentagon in a position where the money is specifically spent on something that the members of congress have authorized, and so, you know, whether or not that's going to be enough to convince that hard, hard right, i think is an open question. at the very least, it might allow those members of congress getting a little bit concerned that the checkbook has been opened too many times for something that their constituents on a day-to-day basis don't really feel the impacts of at the same time, they're concerned about things like inflation, concerned about the situation at the border, the price of gas, all of those things, and they're wondering why all of this money is going overseas chairman mccaul has been the leader in the space, trying to

bridge the gap of finding consensus in that area as we said before, the only way this gets done is through bipartisan support a bipartisan bill that kevin mccarthy is willing to put on the floor of which he has appeared not to do up to this point. >> the question is when is he going to reach across the ail a aisle, and i have the perfect person to ask that question to ryan, courtney, peter alexander stand by, the minute you see something, let us know we'll come back to you i want to bring in democratic congressman from connecticut, and ranking member of the intelligence committee, jim himes to talk more about this. i'm going to pose the question to you, ultimately, right, this is going to take bipartisan support across the aisle to get this thing done and fund the government, the question is when is speaker mccarthy going to reach across the aisle to get that done, and is it going to take a government shutdown >> that is the question of the day. you know, we watched another

rule go down two hours ago kevin mccarthy couldn't get a majority to pass a rule so we could consider the defense pro appropriation bill because we don't have a defense appropriations bill, young marines, young soldiers, airmen, they don't get paid if we're shutdown, and i think the first camera image of a 22-year-old marine, needing to go to a food bank is going to sober up some of my colleagues around here so, you know, is it a week, two weeks, maybe, mccarthy at the end of the day, needs to show his new and flammable members and some of the other not so new and flammable members, there is real costs to be paid by the american public for refusing to compromise and that's what we're seeing, two, three, four, five, six, seven of them are stopping not only the entire defense budget but the federal government from being able to do what it needs to do. >> can you talk for a second,

congressman, about the split screen moment that we are watching right now i'm talking to you about getting our government funded, keeping pay cloud decks in the pockets of workers that workday in and day out, and then you have president zelenskyy coming to the white house and asking for more aid and funding and president biden committing to that we see the president walking out with first lady jill biden as well if you would stand by for a moment peter alexander i'm coming back to you now walk us through what you're seeing right now. >> reporter: we see the marine guards welcoming the president and first lady on the red carpet as they anticipate the arrival of president zelenskyy we can see that the president's supposed to be arriving with his motorcade. president zelenskyy is rolling up as part of the security package. obviously his security is critical on trips like this outside of ukraine the u.s. is always very delicate

of his whereabouts and movements. a reminder, this is the second time they have met at the white house. the sixth time they have met in person over the course of this war now, and 19 1/2 months it has been going on, and let's just watch

. >> president zelenskyy, how critical is more aid mr. president, how important is this visit mr. president, how important is this visit >> what's your message to the americans? >> you may have heard that >> certainly did we'll take it as a win we asked how important this visit is, he said very important. president biden urging his counter part to join him inside the reception room they will then walk down t together, meet privately in the oval office, and a wider visit that will take place in the cabinet room of the white house. there's a historic moment, and over our shoulder, you may see there's the foreign minister of ukraine who is walking in as well as many of the other members of the ukrainian delegation here. a critical moment as the two now begin their meeting behind closed doors >> a critical moment for this

country, along with ukraines as well, and their continued fight against the russian incursion and quite a moment to see, before photographed together, the president, first lady, along with president volodymyr zelenskyy and his wife peter alexander thank you, appreciate it. courtney kube, ryan nobles i want to go back to jim himes, sorry i had to cut you off there, but of course we had to go to the president at the white house. i'm sure you understand that so thank you. >> you get a bye. >> i want to go back to the question i asked you earlier about the split screen moment that we just saw i'm speaking to you about a potential government shutdown funding our government, making sure people that work for our government get their paychecks day in and day out, and then you have the president committing to giving continued aid to president volodymyr zelenskyy, and president volodymyr zelenskyy desperately asking for that aid saying, if we do not get this aid, we will lose this

war against russia and the ramifications of that. and what it would mean for greater europe >> yeah, well, yasmin, i have low moments around here. i can't tell you how low the moment was two hours ago when i heard a rumor that kevin mccarthy in an attempt to move the defense bill, which failed three hours ago, was removing ukraine aid. that's a strategic catastrophe in and of itself, but to do that on the day that president zelenskyy, by the way, we'll go back to ukraine and will console widows and orphans whose parents were lost in this war would have been, i think, a low point in american history we can do a couple of things at once in the greatest nation on earth. we can continue our economic recovery we can continue our objectives to try to improve the economy here even as we play a historic role in countering the kind of brutality the totalitarian dictatorship that putin represents that our fore fathers did, that our parents and

grandparents did we can do two things at once, but in the building in which i work, in which i'm standing right now, kevin mccarthy is controlled by two or three people, forget about the stuff, we don't know where the guns and ammunition are going, it's a smoke screen i know where the guns and ammunition are going, i get to see it every single day. there's a core here who admire vladimir putin and who are following donald trump's lead in despising the ukrainians and in a healthy world, those people would be shunted aside, but in this world, they are controlling the agenda today. >> let me play devil's advocate here for a moment, congressman, as i'm taking a look at this polling out of cnn, and asked my colleagues earlier about this and how the messaging needs to be from the white house, but when you have a majority of americans essentially saying no more aid to ukraine, right, something is off so does there need to be more transparency in where this aid is actually going, and at what point you end it because you couple that with,

for instance, right, an interest rate increase from fed chair jerome powell, you've got folks worried about the future of the economy here in this country, so you understand while we're seeing numbers like this right? so is there a conversation about more transparency? >> there's a good argument about foreign aid and we have had this argument forever, which is, you know, should we be spending money abroad when we have huge challenges here? i've got huge transportation infrastructure challenges in my dri district, but this country has never said either or when we say we are the greatest country in the world, that has meaning, we can do two things at once transparency is essential in student aid. it's a smoke screen for a group of people for a variety of dark and ugly reasons don't like ukraine or do like russia, i'm the ranking member of the intelligence committee

i get to see where this stuff goes, and you know where it's going, the moment it arrives in ukraine, it gets put in the breach of a gun and fired at the russians this is not a situation where there are warehouses full of u.s. aid that's not being used it is a smoke screen, and we have always had this argument in the united states. we have a real stake in a world where a powerful dictator doesn't get what he wants. and the people opposing aid to ukraine are saying, let's let vladimir putin get what he wants. >> we saw live pictures of the president and president volodymyr zelenskyy walking the colony, we're hopefully going to be getting images for that last question to you, congressman, are we going to shut down? >> yeah, we are. >> congressman jim hooimes, tha you. >> blunt as ever. is it the end of an era, rupert murdoch is stepping down from fox and the news corp.,

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we're following breaking news out of orange county, new york one person is dead more than 40 others are injured after a bus carrying students and headed to pennsylvania for band camp flipped over i want to bring in now nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda who's following this for us. i know that you just spoke with a state trooper. bring us up to speed on what you're hearing >> reporter: yeah, very much a developing situation the trooper telling me that the roadway can be expected to be

closed for hours as this investigation at the new york state police is leading continues to play out. he confirmed one person has died he wouldn't tell me the age of that individual, but we know that this crash, this bus accident was packed with high school band students they were heading for greeley, p.a., coming from a long island school district, farmingdale school district. that would put them about two hours or so into their ride. this bus essentially careening off the roadway, rolling over, and this was just one of multiple buses of students, and so now they're trying to arrange the after math of this, the reunification of the families. just imagine the terror of these students' families and staff members' families involved, the unknown, if their child, their loved one, are they okay the crash happened shortly after 1:00 p.m. and the roadway was

closed at 1:30 p.m confirming one fatality and numerous injuries. governor hochul says she has been briefed on the incident, releasing a statement a short time ago, saying she's been briefed in orange county where a bus filled with high school students was involved in an accident, leading to injuries and one fatality at my direction, personnel from the new york state police and the division of homeland security and emergency services are on site to assist local emergency response teams she goes on to say, our hearts are with all impacted by this horrific situation absolutely, a horrific situation indeed. >> i know this roadway pretty well didn't grow up that far from there. it's about 30 miles away from newburgh, new york, which is about 60 miles north of new york city it's a two-lane highway one going east, one going west i'm wondering if you have heard anything in the conversations with the state trooper as to how this accident actually happened? >> reporter: still no details there, and he said that this is

such a developing situation, we could get things by the moment no word if there's going to be a news conference even yet we are on our way to the scene of the crash right now understandably a lot of traffic at this hour both as a result of rush hour traffic but also this crash that we're heading toward but a lot of unanswered questions. we know there are numerous reunification centers for the students who were supposed to be going to greeley, pennsylvania the other thing that i'll note, yasmin is that the county executive, orange county executive told our local new york station that 46 people were injured, five people are in critical condition, underscoring that this is a bus full of mostly juveniles these were high school students. we're talking about dozens of injuries we're hoping we don't see that death toll continue to rise. >> certainly thinking about those parents right now that are having to deal with this news. emilie ikeda, thank you for heading there. certainly as i know you will keep us updated. all right. media mogul rupert murdoch stepping down as chair of the

fox empire in a note to the company earlier he announced his son lachlan will be the sole chair of fox corporation and news corp. he will become chair emeritus of both companies joining us now is jeremy peters to talk more about this. what do we know about the timing of this resignation and the future of the fox? >> i think you said it all, he's 92 years old he has been running these companies since he founded them decades ago. and i think that he never wanted, at least from what my reporting tells me, to be the kind of person who stayed on longer than he was useful. and he's, you know, going to stay involved in a significant part of the operations of both companies, fox and news corp in fact if you read his

statement pretty carefully, he says i've always been someone who's engaged in the news and ideas and i plan on remaining just that. so it's not like he's going to ride off into the sunset here. he will still have considerable responsibilities, but just not in the day-to-day role as chairman i do want to read a little bit of that statement that you just mentioned i thought this part was interesting. elites have open contempt for those who are not members of their rarified class most of the media is in cahoots with those elites, peddling political narratives, rather than pursuing the truth. in my new role, i can guarantee you that i will be involved every day fin the contest of ideas. what does that say to you, jeremy, about the future >> it says as much as he is stepping away from the day-to-day runnings of the corporation, he will still be very involved, and he will still

have his kind of signature stamp on the outlets that we have come to know him for, "the "new york post," fox news, both of which have this very populist voice to them, and i think he's -- it's something that's very unique he brought a very british tabloid-style sensibility to american newspapers. and it's something that he's found great success in, and a great audience in doing over the years. i think that one of the things that you can expect is that this is a expect is that this is a retirement, but it's not a -- he's not receding from the business entirely. >> and then there's the legacy of lawsuits and $187 million

settlement to dominion with abby grossberg's lawsuit with a $12 million settlement jeremy, thank you. appreciate it. everybody, deal or no deal cnbc reporting that writers and reps are on the cusp of an agreement. the two sides hoping to finalize terms sometime today, and thereby end the nearly five-month long strike however, sources saying that while negotiations are progressing and those involved in are optimistic, nothing is set in stone want to bring in pop news founding partner matthew bellamy. it looks like they're on the cusp of a deal i thought this was ahead of schedule looked like we were going to head all the way to christmas without a deal where are we on these negotiations >> yeah, i wouldn't expect a deal today >> got you want. >> if it happens, great. everything i'm told is that reports -- express the optimism that is in the room, but it might be too optimistic about the timing there

there have been some gives and gains there, and i think the studios want this to be done the writers surely want a deal but i would be surprised if it happened today >> i want to talk about some of what the wga is asking for, minimum pay increases, new residual rules, a.i. regulation, as well, increases to their pensions, the health plan. which of those are you hearing is kind of most difficult for studios to swallow >> it's really the transparency issue. they want access to the data that these streaming services are hoarding over who is watching this content. and there's all sorts of things that flow from that in terms of how people are paid, whether they're paid more in success than they would be if a show is not successful and that's really something that the streaming services don't want to hand over because information is power, and they know that in an age where

there's not the nielsen report the next morning about how many people watched your show on linnea television the -- linear television the day before they have all the power that's something that's been difficult to crack >> let me ask you this, if they're able to come to a settlement in the next couple of days if not today, as you put it, maybe by the end of the week, is that then business back to normal come monday? late shows going back to work -- >> no. not at all first of all, any agreement that's reached in the room has to be paper, it has to be put to a contract then it has to be ratified by the membership, which could take some time. don't forget, this is only one of two strikes that is going on now in hollywood there's still s.a.g.-aftra, the actors union, that must be dealt with they have separate issues beyond what the writers have. >> so this is just one step really on a long read ahead it seems. when would it be that we would really be back to normal you think? >> the speculation has been that if there is a deal before

october 1st, we could see production resuming by the end of the year. that would be about sixweeks there now. and then there's the holidays to deal with. yeah, if they do a deal soon, you could see things back in production by the end of the year >> got it. my christmas prohibediction was right. thank you so much. next, quid pro question on what authorities say bob menendez took in exchange for helping an executive facing federal bank charges, coming up. . honey... nyquil severe honey. powerful cold and flu relief with a dreamy honey taste. nyquil honey, the nighttime, sniffing, sneezing, couging, aching, fever, honey-licious, best sleep with a cold, medicine. as the world keeps changing, so does covid-19. that's why this season's covid-19 shots have been updated. they're one of the best ways to help protect yourself against covid-19. learn more and schedule at vaccines.gov

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welcome back a federal grand jury in manhattan investigating new jersey senator bob menendez and his wife as part of a corruption probe. sources telling our affiliate in new york that prosecutors are looking into a possible arrangement involving gold bars between the couple and an admitted felon i want to bring in chief justice contributor jonathan dienst to talk more about this talk us through, if you will, good to see you, thanks for joining us, what exactly is going on here? >> all right so the new developments in this lengthy investigation is that there are allegations that this corrupt banker gave gold bars to the senator and/or his wife, and in exchange this corrupt banker was asking the senator to please help him with the feds and the bank fraud charges he was going to face. and the question is, did the senator enter any sort of

agreement with this corrupt banker in exchange for accepting the gold bars, and did he take any act or offer to take an official act to influence the justice department to help this banker get a better deal and that is what is -- one part of the investigation that is being investigated again, they're looking into whether it is evidence and testimony the grand jury is currently hearing about, but according to several sources familiar with the matter, it is a question of whether the senator improperly accepted these gold bars and offered to do anything in return. that is the question of whether there was any sort of inappropriate quid pro quo in the past the senator's denied any wrongdoing in recent days he's denied making any comment through his spokespeople or lawyer >> you brought it up, i think the followup here is how far along are we we know certain witnesses are testifying before a grand jury how long has that been going on? what are we looking at when it

comes to timing and resolution as to whether or not charges will be filed? >> first there was a grand jury that sent out subpoenas as the investigation was ongoing. we've learned in the last two weeks, perhaps longer, witnesses have been appearing before this grand jury that meets a couple times a week and hearing testimony as prosecutors in the southern district of new york look to decide whether to charge this u.s. senator with criminal corrupt charges. >> this is or will be or could be the second time criminal charges will be filed against senator menendez, yes? >> if they go forward. if they decide there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt or -- they will move forward and charge, this will be the second time years ago the senator was charged with taking vacations and gifts from a corrupt medicare fraudster who was seeking to win a security deal of all things, and that the senator took official acts to

help him those were the allegations by the justice department that trial ended in a hung jury. and eventually the justice department dropped the charges because the supreme court has made it extremely difficult, narrower definition of what corruption is. that you really have to show you did the official act in exchange for getting that specific gift so it's a very high standard, and the question and the case right now is do the investigators have anything on a wiretap, do they have any unknown cooperate who can point the finger, raise the question, and put the prosecutors across that line to file charges. >> we're certainly going to be watching how this grand jury comes down jonathan dienst, as always, thank you. >> thank you all right. that does it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi, everyone 4:00 in new