definitively >> right, the way i view that. a vote for janet - most wisconsinites viewed as a vote to restore rights and freedoms that have bee stripped away overtime in our state and i think that includes woman's right to control her body, and play in her family so abortion access but it also includes, you're just talking about republicans in labor it also includes restoring collective bargaining rights for public employees in ou state. it also includes the issue we're talking about with gerrymandering, also the further restrictions that ar republican legislature in ou former republican governor has put on access to the ballo box. and so, all of those i think voters had on their minds. as they went out, an overwhelmingly elected justice proto-say with >> let's see if they try to --

segura tammy baldwin, of the great state of wisconsin thank you very much. >> thank you that is all in on this wednesday night, alex wagner starting with ayman mohyeldi -- >> good evening chris, i'm gonna say really quickly you have to love the republica party is not just completely out of the open become undemocratic in every sense of the word even an elected supreme cour justice in the state o wisconsin -- >> she's collected by georgi thousand votes >> before hearing any case, is now four republicans impeachable just because i don't like something she said. before she became a suprem court, - >> that story is a wild story. >> chris, thank you so much enjoy the rest of you evening. up thanks to overturning i this hour. my ayman mohyeldin in for alex wagner for 27 years, no doubt about it when news outlet ha dramatically reshaped ou country's political dialogue watch. >> how delighted i am we've no reached this moment, when we can firmly announce starting o

a fox news channel >> what we really hope, fo senator dole was release primary dockets like his birth and have get this guy either highs burst of heavy, get or h doesn't. >> this is one of the coldes years on record, ladie gentlemen. i don't believe climate change is real. >> republicans originall thought that fox worked for us now we're discovering, we work for fox. >> will any thinking perso ever trust vaccines? again >> our elected officials have allowed our country to be invaded. yeah i'm gonna say invaded. >> your own federal government interfered in the 2020 election and they tipped the scales t the candidate they preferred that, of, course would be th week, frail cognitive mess known as joe your president. >> let's pretend for a second, your country had a news medi that interest in bringing yo the news not lecturing you about your moral inferiority. you're so bad. or lying to you in transparently obvious ways january 6th was an insurrection, guys >> those were just a few clips

whether it was cheerleading th war in iraq pushing the idea that there is a cultural war o christmas, or even claimin that allowing gay marriage would somehow put america on a slippery slope that ended with humans marrying goats, fox new undoubtedly moved our national dialogue in discourse to the far-right. often with a fairly loos relationship to the actual facts of what was happening. and for a very long time, fo news managed to avoid any sort of accountability for all of this now, that is changing. >> all right, it's already too that you, mark we're just learning on that fo have indeed settled. >> fox agreed to pay dominio more than $787 million over th networks unsupported claim that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. >> the truth is, fox was a central part of th

conservative echo chamber in this country pushing the idea that the 2020 election and had somehow bee stolen from president trump. not only did fox end up paying dominion voting systems, as yo just saw, they're more tha $787 million for peddling thos lies, but it is still actively fighting another defamatio lawsuit, for the electroni voting machine company smartmatic smartmatic is going after fox, aggressively the company is asking for 2. billion dollars in damages all of that is really unfoldin against the backdrop of th 2024 election. where former president trump still spinning the lies that got him and fox in legal trouble in 2020. that would be a huge mess fo fox to handle under an circumstances. today, we actually got the new that the creator of fox, the 92-year-old australian media magnate, rupert murdoch, i finally stepping down. that leaves his eldest son

lachlan murdaugh, as the sol executive in charge of the media empire a lot of questions about wha this means for fox, but th truth is, the question o everyone's mind, what does thi all mean for us? as a country where do we go from here joining us now, our two medi journalists, well known fo their thorough and revealing reporting on rupert murdoch an his vax media empire, ben smith, editor of semafor. and the author of traffic, brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent, and author of the upcoming book, network of lies. the epic saga of fox news, donald trump, and the battle for american democracy guys, great to see you here. couldn't think of a better two people to speak to about this. i guess i gotta start with the basic question, also with you, brian. why now? why is rupert murdoch doin this now just as we are about to ente this critical period of ou election cycle >> he's 92 years old he's every bit of 92 years old he started to take a backsea several years ago. you can see that in th

dominion legal filings he acted more like a passenger than the driver of his own car he acted like a viewer of hi network, and not the owner that was three years ago i can only imagine it's gotten worse since then he has tried to elevate his so loughlin, he wants loughlin to be in charge he also wants family's stability. i woke, up where the story, thought, you know, this is the season finale of succession. but out the series finale. it's only the season finale. i've now change my mind of that this is not even the seaso finale i think we're gonna hear mor about this in the days to come i think this might be like the mid season finale. okay, rupert, stepping aside at least a little bit, installing loughlin, promoting loughlin that is a big mood there's gonna be more to com in the next few days or weeks. when it comes to what th organization of these companie really is. >> so, to that point, to bryant's point, about th stability in what happens next do you think that there will even though this is the outwar facing part of fox and they're trying to, as they have been four months, signal stable clear succession, could ther be potentially inside th country company, a different power dynamic? people who are vying for

physicians, or jockeying carving out parts of the empire could we see fox news sold >> i mean, the story of fox, really for almost a decade, ha been a power vacuum. in which, i think that's wha you said in this thing, rupert murdoch, you know, kibitzing not really running the place laughlin, the ceo, he ceos thi american company fro australia. when you ask him about, it will, he takes calls a three in th morning. which i think no one believes. so, it's a really quite strang place, fiefdoms, different anchors doing different things it's in the context of a ver difficult media environment, what they are as a kind of a small media company. but the standards of conglomerates within the the dominate american medi landscape. it's basically solely in the cable business, which is increasingly tough business, and it's a moment when they're gonna need to make some fairly dramatic moves to keep the company going. this is a gesture of stability it's really hard to see wher it leads >> speaking of loughli murdaugh, what do we know abou

him. he's definitely visible. you know him i guess we recognize him what do we actually know about him? what we know about his managerial style ideologically? is he as committed to th rupert murdoch, roger ailes, school fox news? >> he certainly as conservativ as his father. we can hear that in speeches he was rooting for donald trum to win the 2020 election whereas's father rupert, was very critical of trump even in 2018, 2019, 2020 it's a little bit of a mystery how often he feels today about trump. you look at his network, there certainly, although the trum complained about fox all the time, they are certainly supporting him in a lot of different ways but i mean, ben, you'v reported on loughlin being lai back, being almost like caretaker ceo. that are critics describin within the company >> yeah, but i think one detai that stuck with me, he had a rock climbing wall installed o the studio lot, when they stil run the entertainment business he's very interested i spearfishing he's not, you know, his father is an obsessive entrepreneur built a huge empire. this is his eldest son >> that's not what the sun

wants. so, the question becomes, will they then spin off the assets, will fox news end up in someon else's hands we know the more liberal son james, is disgusted by the fox news he'd like to see a chang there. there's no way he can affect that, when rupert murdoch is still alive. today, rupert said, whether we believe him or not, he said, he's an robust health. >> when you look at the vast media empire that is under the control of fox and the murdaug family, and they are still going to be the larges shareholders, if you, will as voting bloc, the family that is over there is still committe to the eye geological bent o fox news do you think ther could be we saw tucker carlson talked to the side very prominent, very prominent voices in conservative circles any chance with this new change, there could be a sligh reorientation of fox >> no. >> is that ideologically, or simply ideological decision. >> i would say both. certainly, murdaugh's, his retirement letter, contained a parting shot at at least

certainly not him. >> you don't get much more elite than yet >> his vineyard, or hi yachts >> i think they're gonna sta where they are the parallel company, whic loughlin is now taking over, news corp, controls the wall street journal a number of newspapers aroun the world. it's a big, powerful company and journalists of spent their entire careers pre-writing obituaries for rupert murdoch those things are thousands o words along on the shelf everywhere there could be there or a whil longer the real reckoning probabl doesn't come until the kid fight over his inheritance >> let me come back to the point you said about donal trump in where he fits into th fox legacy certainly, under ruper murdoch. after january the 6th, ruper murdoch wanted to make trump a non-person, according to the transcripts of the dominio lawsuit. the truth is, here we, are o the cusp of an of anothe donald trump, most likely goin to be the republican nominee certainly, as of now, the fron runner >> still a person. >> still a person. >> more a person than ever >> exactly fox's gonna have to deal wit that as a news organization where do you see the

interacting? how do you see them interactin with trump if anything differently? specifically on him? >> another debate next week. another debate that's gonna be on fox another debate that trump is gonna snub so, for the time being, there' a little bit of distance and trump likes to attack th network whenever you can these two sides, they always come back together because, i like to say this, the reality about fox thes days, this is not true ten years ago, to today. the people in charge of fox or the viewers. the audience programs fox. not rupert murdoch, no loughlin murdaugh. it's the audience. that feedback loop every day the more extreme programming the more rage, full hatefu programming, it's almost as if the audience is in charge. now because of the leadershi vacuum that you described, there's nobody at the captai ship, actually running the ship >> there is an effort, and i have the new york city comptroller on my program this past weekend, talking abou this lawsuit, that he, in hi capacity as a new york cit comptroller, is bringing against fox news, to try to, a a shareholder, the new yor city pensions, shape the coverage of fox news, becaus they're trying to hold the accountable. as i think about what we'r

about to go through, and wha happened four years ago, n accountability for fox, except for what happened after th election could we see that type o action rain in fox could they be held accountable through these types of measures? if it's not the viewers, i it's not luck with murdaugh, the shareholders >> i mean, i think only thin that really gave them pause, this massive, massiv defamation settlement. i think they probably will be, you know, narrowly more carefu about defaming people. but you can lie about who wo the election that's perfectly legal there is lots of space for the to say crazy stuff the lawsuits did give them pause, and force them to buttoned down their process little bit i mean, they've been essentially, under siege for many quarters, for a long time what is ultimately slowing the down, none of this stuff just a changing media business fragmentation, a rise of republican commentators, whether it's been shapiro, meghan kelly, or others. who are starting to chip awa at what was once almost monopoly on the right >> these lawsuits, they're not

over they are present issue, as you're saying, - the shareholder lawsuits are pending. the last thing rupert murdoc wants to do is testify or be deposed, and yet another lawsuit. he's not gonna be up to avoid, it now that he's chairma emeritus, he will still be - it's important to note we're three years past, and fo is still suffering the consequences and there you have to pay a lo more money to settle these suits as well. >> it's also safe to say, it's not just fox the suffering the consequences america, as a country, i suffering the consequences o what fox is doing to a country with its coverage. ben smith, brian stelter, than you so much, really appreciate >> we have a lot more to get you tonight. as he prepares to step dow from his role as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a riveting new profile of genera mark milley. it paints a harrowing pictur of just how hard he and othe military officials had to work to fight against donald trump' authoritarian impulse. a lot more on that, next frustrated by skin tags? dr. scholl's has the breakthrough you've been waiting for. the first fda-cleared at-home skin tag remover

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efforts of republican senator, tommy tuberville, the senate has now officially confirmed president obama's pick to be the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. charles q brown. you see him on the screen. i gotta say, that is actuall pretty timely. the term for the current chairman, general mark milley, who i should note, is also a trump appointee, expires at th

end of this month. and a riveting new profile o general milley in the atlantic published just this morning, reveals general milley's herculean effort to safeguar the country. against the man who appointe him. in the weeks before th election, milley was a dervish of activity. he spent much of his tim talking with american allies adversaries, all worried about the stability of the unite states he also spoke with lawmakers and media figures, in the days leading up to the election promising that the u.s military would play no role in its outcome. he would remain a dervish unti inauguration date, reassurin allies and cautionin adversaries, arguing against escalation with iran reminding the joint chiefs, in the national military comman center, to be aware of an usua requests or demands. and keeping an eye on th activities of the me dispatched by trump to lead th pentagon, including defens secretary mark esper

who was fired. men who merely and other suspected were interested in using the military to advanc trump's efforts to remai president. jeffrey goldberg, author o that profile, and editor i chief of the atlantic, joins m now. jeffrey, i think the first wor everybody was thinking was wow. everybody live in that moment, we saw we saw what happened on january 6th. we had a little bit of inclination, i think thi profile gives us the mos in-depth accurate descriptio of what mark milley did. i want to read pt of wha you wrote. you said, in the chaotic perio before and after the 202 election, milley d as much as, or more than, any othe american to defend the constitutional order, to prevent the military for being deployed against the america people into force stole the eruptio of americas wars with nuclea armed adversaries. along the way, really deflecte trump's exhaustion's to have u.s. military ignore, and even indication, commit war crimes. i guess everyone's questio this morning is, what happen of this guy comes back

what happens if donald trump i reelected? >> yeah, that's the question there is no good answer. to the feeling is, the one thing that - against trump agains destroying the government, t port put it bluntly, what combination of inexperience an having so-called grown-ups i the room remember, the first couple o years the trump administration >> jim mattis, john kelly, eateries like master rex tillerson. some of them even had a kind o unofficial pack that, you know almost like babysitters. you're gonna stay in washington, right? somebody is watching the white house. i mean, it sounds crazy in retrospect there we were. the next time around, it's gonna be stephen miller's al the way down and other words, it's gonna be the trouble ever's it's not gonna be the people that most of washington, cente left to center right washington would consider th grown-ups. you know, you bring up c.q brown. it's interesting, this will be

the reverse of milley' experience c.q. brown is starting under biden. obviously, this is not t comment on the ideological differences, but just th behavioral normalcy of the biden white house, as oppose to the trump white house he's starting there. if trump wins, and there's, don't think any of us ar killing ourselves when you say that he couldn't win again then you go into a situation where, all of a sudden, an i've been very blunt in this piece, all of a sudden, you're a general who's reporting to a unstable president that's the thing about general milley he did a lot across his career the thing that makes him uniqu as a chairman of the joint chiefs, he is the first of the 20 chairman we've had sinc world war ii when the position was created. to ever work for somebody that a lot of people consider to be

emotionally, mentally, intellectually unfit, morall unfit, to be president >> to that point, you writ about this meeting that took place on january the 6th between general milley and the nuclear commander, the officer in charge of the nuclear arsenal. which i think would give all o us, now that we read it in thi moment of pause, why do yo feel he was compelled to d that to the point of donald trump's intellectual stability >> the predicate was, righ after january 6th, right after the attack on the capital, nancy pelosi calls this then the speaker. calls general million says he's crazy, i know it's crazy, you know he's crazy. and milley is put in this, remember, these are nonpartisan, a political positions. he's, like the speaker of th house are saying, he's like, yes ma'am, yes ma'am, ye ma'am. he said, i'm worried, this i what nancy pelosi says i'm worried that he's gonn launch a nuclear war in the two weeks that has left in his presidency. he says, it can't happen this is why it can't happen. these are the systems we hav in place it's that right sarah.

then, as he has described it out of an abundance of caution he said, let's get everybody together everybody in the chain o command. everybody was an expert in thi building and that strategic command, at stratcom in omaha. i want to talk everybody through all of these procedures one of the things that he said to this group, very high level group of generals and admirals he said, if anything strange if you hear anything strange coming out of the white house, remember, this happened at the end of the next administration by the way, this is not -- this house on president. anything weird, anything strange, you know, let the joint chiefs know. remember, -- >> typically not in the chai of command >> we were democracy, except when it comes to nuclear policy the president, and this is a term that's been used, a nuclear monarch. the president can order the us of nuclear weapons, tell the secretary of defense, secretar of defense tells the guys ou in omaha then they launch they can't launch if it's an illegal order. this is where it becomes ver fuzzy. that's why you have th

chairman, is around nuclear war, i think this is the the core o it the job, first and, foremost o president, i commander-in-chief you're in charge of the weapon that could destroy the world and when your chairman of th joint chiefs thanks, you know what? maybe this is not the most appropriate person to have i charge of this were nurses situation. >> general milley has to understand that. but also convey to our adversaries, who may think thi is a good opportunity to strik america, or exploiter merica's vulnerability. for also nuclear armed, not to do it. he was communicating to hi counterparts, don't look a what is happening in washington and think were unstable. even though he probably felt w are. >> what do you think, we're no unstable the reason we're not unstable, because you have guys like me. and you got other people in th

system, all of the generals an admirals are professionals and you don't have to worr about it >> >> jeffrey, stick around, i gotta talk a little bit more it will squeeze in a quick break. when we come back, we're gonna talk about this bombshel reporting about trump and hi fear of being a loser. we're gonna get into that, next kn ow how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,... ...trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler... ...for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis.

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became president trump's chairman of the joint chiefs o staff in 2019, the army held a welcome ceremony for him and the man you see in the wheelchair there is army captain lewis avila. captain avila was wounded in the line of duty, and chosen b merely personally to perform godless america at thi important ceremony here is what happened next according to jeffrey goldberg, and his reporting in the atlantic after avila's a poor performance, trump walked over to congratulate him, but the he said to merely, withi earshot of several witnesses why do you bring people like that here? no one wants to see, that th wounded. never let avila up here in public again, trump told milley jeffrey goldberg, author o that profile, editor-in-chie of the atlantic is still wit me so, i gotta say, does this story give us insight into donald trump's obsession wit not being a loser? he just sees everything, and everybody, that is not the way he wants them to be as a loser whether not that was a driving force, why he rejected the

results of the 2020 election >> right i don't know, we're no psychiatrist i don't know what caused him t have that reaction to wounde warriors we know, for instance, when he won, if you want to devote a big military parade. >> he's out in paris >> hillary told his staff, don't have any of those wounde guys march in the parade, it makes everyone look, makes m look at. i can't explain his fear o loathing for that. it's obviously part of a continuum. we know how we talked abou john mccain. obviously, i like people who were shot down losers people who joined the military and then get wounded or killed are suckers to him obviously, he's a person who didn't serve nobody's family ever served. so, he has this attitude, whic is, i guess you can boil i down to, you know, what's in i for me he sees somebody in wheelchair like that, whos heroic figure, he's like battl

back, five combat tours in ira and afghanistan. battled back from thes horrendous injuries. in what donald trump think about is not that guy. how does it make me feel and look i can't, i've been thinkin about this question for years, ever since the mccain episodes started. but it has to do with an intense selves absorption fo starters and maybe at some level of shame. but he avoided the draft i don't know again, he's not here he is not on the couch we can't say what it is, what i can say it's so far outside the norm o political behavior that we hav no experience with this. >> let me read you another excerpt in your piece. milley has told friends, tha he expects that of trump returns to the white house, th newly elected president will come after him he'll start throwing people in jail i'd be on top of the list, h said he seems to be worried about this

how worried is general mar milley i mean, this is rhetorical it is a fear that he has donald trump isn't it having dictaphone we see that in just the way he goes after the special, counse judges, anybody that abandoned him, or abandoned his vision o of governance. >> look, it's not just mar milley, obviously. if you're john kelly, if you'r hr mcmaster, if you're on an on and on. bill barr. >> rex tillerson >> rex tillerson jim mattis the list is endless. the list of people he hired an turned on, - >> losers. >> all of the most hig achievement people in america. all losers so, i think that whole coterie of people became a bit mor worried, when trump, said mayb a couple months ago, i will be your retribution, remember tha quote? it's a revenge based campaign. can he go after them i suppose. so it depends on who he has. >> stephen miller, at the port

of justice >> yeah, this is where the stress on the system comes in. this is not normal obviously, behavior in a democracy. you don't do that. this is not a normal presidency he, obviously, operate outside the boundaries of norms. >> let me ask you really quickly, the lafayettes quee incident, one of the lowes point in our country's history just the way that it played out, the fact that general milley was dragged into, it was there at the photo op. and it must have weighed heavily on him how much did that incident that moment, factor into general milley's calculation assessment of a guy like donal trump? >> this is trump's short ter thinking coming back to bite him. he brings billy out, milley an esper, the defense secretary both say they were duped int going. from that moment, on mille said, i'm not gonna be foole again. by the political leadership. so, he was on hyper alert, the rest of the trump term

for any undemocratic activity. any politicization of th military trump federally good to have this soldier in uniform ou there. and it filled milley with sham and remorse, he apologized trump, of course, criticized him before apologizing that really changed the whol dynamic between the two of them >> it's an incredible piece. jeffrey, incredible access thank you for bringing it to us because of the end of the day, if you don't believe the politicians in this country. at least listen to the general and the person who commanded all of them. thank you so much. really appreciate it incredible reporting thank you so much, we'll get a lot more ahead tonight john kerry will be joining m live, in studio, to talk about the biggest threat facing th country in the world, quit frankly. first, that old yankee candle, remember that? that old yankee candle covid rumor? guess what it is back but it doesn't pass the smel test, that's next. new dove men bodywash gives you 24 hours of nourishing micromoisture.

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the. but not if we continue with as much business as usual as we'r seeing today >> this week, john kerry, th special presidential envoy for climate issued a thoroughl warning about the situation we find ourselves in. that is, as a nation and as planet a climate that is experiencing disastrously weren't temperatures and barreling towards a full blown crisis. we have just come off th hottest summer ever, on record and scientists say things will only get worse unless th global community he'd secretar curry's wording and does something right now. john kerry, u.s. special personnel on climate and the former u.s. secretary of state under president obama. joins me now secretary kerry, i know this has been an exceptionally busy week for you i can't imagine. but thanks for making time for us tonight i want to start broadl speaking just, kind of, the bi takeaway from this week. and people are wondering wha

the global community can do to combat climate change. there is a big gap between wha the experts are calling for an what the world is doing. >> actually, the worlds ha stepped up with promises and at the last meetings of th global community, and glasgo -- they made promises that woul make an enormous difference in pulling us back from the brink the problem is, not everybod is fulfilling thos commitments. so the push now is to rais ambition, but in an accountabl way, and get the job done. the important thing is, we can win this battle. we absolutely can. but we have to deploy more technology, pay more attention and keep our promises. >> i suspect speak speaking to officials on the sidelines o the u.n. one thing that i have hear over and over again is the gap between the global south and the global north you speak to representatives and diplomats from the globa south, and they point th

finger at the global north and say, it was you that contributed to where we ar today and it's you'd have to pay up and so they're talking about financing, to try to set u some kind of financing how do you clothes look at i, mean are we even close to closing the gap? >> we have plans to close th gap. and i think there is a hug focus, but even the financ community. i met today with ascot owner who manage about 11 trillion dollars worth of assets an property and they're really captured by this they know that their life is going to be affected and jobs will be affected. the pistons community will b affected the insurance companies will b affected there's a massive cascad downstream here. but more and more people are honestly waking up to this and i believe, there is transformation right now this could be really impactful meeting of the world and dubai and the uae, in december and it could really make the

difference here. or on the brink, so many new technologies that are breaking through. people are seeing fusion for instance making leaps an bounds in progress we have new battery storage, batteries -- we have green hydrogen being developed. there is a lot happening, and lot of money moving into those investments to make difference president biden has done a extraordinary job, frankly, of opening up the opportunities that are unprecedented the inflation reduction act, which has encouraged amazing amounts of investment in our country, new jobs. and a whole set of initiatives that are changing what the world is doing the first move first coalition for the largest companies in america are making commitments to buying green products now in order to create a deman signal where you have shippin industry, building, carbon fre ships. robert you have the firs

movers, which is setting a example for some of the larges corporations and the worlds, they are setting an example fo how you can begin to transform rapidly. and there is the major economies for which ha produced a whole new, throug president biden holding summit at the white house, which is now created a transformation and wealthy targets our. so i really believe that we're in a place to win the battle if, in the next months, we mak the decisions we have. two primary among them, we'v got to reduce emissions. and we have to primarily guarantee that we're not going to permit new coal fired power plants anymore in the world. and i think we're on track t begin to take those seriously. >> in terms of reducin emissions, you have countries, and i always interview the iraqi prime minister today desperate to get his companies -- countries economy back on trac after 20 years before. but at the same, time a lot of

it goes through fossil fuel. how do you convince a leader like the iraqi prime minister, and other countries around the world, who desperately see economic progress throug fossil fuel, which is th largest part of their econom to not do that because -- >> it is today but they have to buy into this transformation they have to recognize, th uae. the uae has a national oil company. and the uae is no longer producing gas. but 15 or 20 years ago, the ua saw the future and made th decision they had to begin t diversify. what we need is the old energy companies need to become new energy companies and that means to transfor somewhat a lot of them are, or some o them aren't. others are choosing to do th things they know how to do which is to perhaps captur emissions or extract and put back into the earth, to bury i

forever. but the marketplace is going t decide who the winners and losers are here. the key is, the big and a tree oil and gas companies, ought t just transform into an energ company. and many are trying to do that right now. they are chasing green hydrogen they're working on, you know new products that are capabl of providing the marketplace with a host of different choices. electric vehicles are coming online at record pace. the fact is that the demand fo fossil fuels as actually going down to some degree now. and will be markedly by the en of this decade so that change robert, goo ceos are realizing the futur is going to be defined in clean energy economy and they're making tha commitment >> and i want to share with yo the assessment of the u.s. secretary general antoni guterres, not to get you comment specifically, but he's given an assessment on the ventral he sits in and certainly anyone watchin this would say you fee

optimistic something can b done he had a meeting this week high-level meeting he only allowed remarks by people he felt were taking climate action seriously china and the united states or not asked to speak about event >> the reason is, they state only leaders can speak and president biden couldn't b there. and i was there. but i'm not the leader of th country. so we live by the rules of that but the united states, under president biden, has bee leading and so many differen ways i mentioned the first more first coalition. i mentions the major economies forum, which summoned the 20th largest economies in the borough to the white house virtually, for a summit. that produced changes an commitments from people al around the world we raise the ambition. the united states has th inflation reduction act, which is putting more than hundred of billions of dollars into ne

technologies the united states has been helping other countries. in many different ways i think that the united states can be very proud of the leadership we have bee operating on this. we have a shipping challenge we now have the larges shippers in the world as a result of our challenge that our transforming their power plants, of the ships, into carbon free power plants we have sustainable aviation fuel being worked on we have, i mean, there is so many different things it's really exciting. but people don't feel all of the changes yet. the united states and presiden biden have been really out front, tracing these new initiatives, one of them is ne nuclear. we have a whole new set of small modular nuclear plants being designed and we have a methane plant. methane is responsible for 50% of warming the planet, but onl 2% of the funding of climate goes to methane. we are now change that we started and work with the eu,

put together a methane plant we have 155 countries now that pledged to move forward on methane. methane is 20 to 80 times more damaging than co2 and it's the quickest way in which we can reduce the earth's temperature increase so those are the things that president biden has set in motion, and i think it's a shame that i couldn't allo some of the president to speak but on the other hand. those are the rules and we loo by them >> for enough, yo mentioned cop28 taking place i the united arab governments. it received a little bit o scrutiny it's being held there. i want to get your thoughts on what base -- a successful cop 28 means fo you. if you walked away from cop2 as a successful mission, wha would it look like >> there are three things that were automatic they're gonna happen at this cop. one is, there is a automatic enhancement of the stock take, which is a report card o weber. we want that to be honest.

to be clear about the gaps, an to sit something of a path a we go forward. in addition, there is an adaptation report that wil come out which will help define the roads adapting for countries that need adept can't. and president biden has put 12 billion-dollar commitment o the table in order to help these countries be able to transform and adapt. and then, in addition to that, we have a whole series o initiatives that are going t be taken by countries around the world. if those are defined, and we work at, it that's going to ad to our ability to be able to reduce the emissions of th planet we have to raise ambition at this cop so are doing what's necessary to win the battle an we have to solve the problem o finance. we must come up with a way t deploy the trillions of dollar

that are needed for this transformation the u.n. estimates we need t have about, you know, two and half to four and a hal trillion dollars a year for th next 40 years. we have that money in th private sector, but the privat sectors restraint agains investing, partly just out o concern, not confident, so we're learning how to de-ris that money and if we can find a number of mechanisms coming to fruition, at the cop end to buy, we will be in a position to be able to leap forward in deploying money, and will win the battle. i believe. that for a deeply. >> i gotta say, i appreciate your optimism and i got to fin out however you get. that i spent this whole week, think a lot of people who ar on the sidelines at the u.n. who want to be optimistic bu are also seeing -- >> honestly, there is a lot of reason to be optimistic. there are incredible new thing happening. battery storage. hydrogen electric vehicles. we're on the brink of an entir

revolution, and we will have a low carbon, no carbon economy. the only issue is, will we d it in time to avoid the wors of the crisis. >> and hopefully some of the politicians in this country, who are climate change deniers don't get into the decision-making seats, if yo will >> i'm not allowed to comment. >> no, that's what i, can yo can say. it john kerry, greatly appreciate it, sir thanks for a time. i greatly appreciate it. that is our show for tonight i'm ayman mohyeldin in for ale wagner catch me every saturday an sunday at eight pm and 90 am eastern here on msnbc. it's now time for the last wor with lawrence novel. good evening >> good evening, ayman we are going to reveal the mos disgraceful current member o the united states senate at the end of the hour tonight it's something i've been thinking about talked about fo a while, and it has built to the point of not being containable anymore. that's how we will end the