woman's right to control her body, and play in her family, so abortion access. but it also includes, you're just talking about republicans in labor. it also includes restoring collective bargaining rights for public employees in our state. it also includes the issues we're talking about with gerrymandering, also the further restrictions that are republican legislature in our former republican governor has put on access to the ballot box. and so, all of those i think voters had on their minds. as they went out, and overwhelmingly elected justice they went out and overwhelmingly elected justice now protasiewicz. >> let's see if they try to impeach her. it's going to be wild if they do. that is "all in" on this wednesday night.

alex wagner tonight starts right now with my friend ayman mohyeldin. >> the republican party in the open has become undemocratic. >> she just got elected by 200,000 votes in april. >> before hearing any case for republicans is impeachable because they don't like what she said before. thanks to you at home for joining this hour. i'm eamon mohyeldin. no doubt about it one has news has shaped our dialogue. >> starting of fox news channel. >> what will be really helpful if the senator had released documents like a birth certificate.

>> this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. >> this is one of the coldest years on record, ladies and gentlemen. i don't believe climate change is real. >> republicans originally thought that fox worked for us, and now we're discovering we work for fox. >> will any thinking person ever trust vaccines again? >> our elected officials have allowed our countries to be invade. yeah, i'm going to say it, invade. >> your own government interfered in the 2020 election, and they tipped the scales to the candidate they prefer. that of course would be the weak, frail, cognitive mess, or joe biden president. >> we're lying to you in trance apparently obvious ways. january 6th was an insurrection, guys. >> all right, so those were just a few clips. whether it was cheer leading the

war in iraq, pushing the idea there was a cultural war on christmas or somehow claiming gay marriage would put america on a slippery slope that ended with humans marrying goats, fox news undoubtedly moved our national dialogue and discourse to the far-right often with a firly loose relationship to the actual facts of what was happening. and for a very long time fox news managed to avoid any sort of accountability for all of this. now that is changing. >> sorry to do that to you, mark. >> fox agreeing to pay dominion more than $787 million, over the network's unsupported claims that the 2020 election was rigged. >> the truth is fox was a central part of the conservative echo chamber in this country pushing the idea that the 2020 election had somehow been stolen from president trump. not only did fox end up paying

dominion voting systems as you just saw there more than $787 million for pedaling those lies, but it is still actively fighting another defamation lawsuit from the electronic voting machine company smartmatic. and smartmatic is going after fox aggressively. the company is asking for 2 toit $7 billion in damages, and all of that is really unfolding against the backdrop of the 2024 election where former president trump still spinning the lies that got him and fox in legal trouble in 2020, and that would be a huge mess for fox to handle under any circumstances. but today we actually got the news that the creator of fox, the 92-year-old australian media magnate rupert murdoch is finally stepping down. that leaves his eldest son loughlin murdoch in charge of the media empire.

the question on everyone's mind is what does this all mean for us as a country? where do we go from here? joining us now are two media journalists, vance smith, editor and chief at semafor, the author of "traffic" and author of the upcoming book "network of lies, the epic saga of donald trump, fox news, and the battle for american democracy." guys, good to see you here. i guess i've got to start with a basic question. why now? why is rupert murdoch doing this now, just as we're about to enter this critical period of the election cycle? >> he's 92 years old and he's every bit of 92 years old. you can see that in dominion filings. he acted more like a passenger than the driver of his own car. that was only three years ago.

he's tried to elevate his son loughlin. he wants loughlin to be encharge. i've now changed my mind on that, this is not only the season finale. i think this might be the mid-season finale. rupert stepping aside a little bit that is big move, but there's going to be more to come when it comes to what the organization of these companies really is. >> to brian's point about stability and what happens next, even though this is the outward facing part of fox and they have been as they've been trying interest months to signal stable, clear succession, could there potentially be inside the company a different power dynamic, people vying for positions or jockeying for carving out parts of the empire. could we perhaps see fox news sold? >> the story of fox for almost a

decade has been a power vacuum. rupert murdoch not really running the plays. it's a really quite strange place with fiefdoms and different anchors doing different things. they're a small media company by the standards of conglomerates that dominate the american media landscape. and it's an increasingly tough business and a moment they're going to need to make some fairly dramatic moves to keep the company going. this is a gesture of stability, but it's really hard to see where it leads. >> speaking of loughlin murdoch, what do we know about him? i guess we recognize him, but what do we actually know about

him? is he as commit today the rupert murdoch, roger ales school of fox news? >> we can hear that in this speech. he was reting for donald trump to win the 2020 election whereas his father rupert was critical of trump. you look at his network and they were certainly although trump complains about fox all the time, they're certain lesupporting him in a lot of different ways. >> he had a rock climbing wall installed at the studio lot because he's very interested in spear fishing. his father is an obsessive entrepreneur that built the media empire. >> the question becomes will they spin-off the assets, will fox news end up in someone else's hands.

we know the liberal son james is disgusted by fox news and would like to see that effected but there's may way to see that when rupert murdoch is still alive. >> when you look at the control of fox and they're going to be the largest shear holders as a voting block, are they still committed to the ideological bent of fox news. there's still other very prominent conservative circles. any chance there could be a slight reorientation of fox? is that ideological or simply bottom line decision? >> i would say both. but certainly murdoch's retirement later contains a pardoned shot at elites, certainly not him. >> you dent get much more relete than that.

the parent company loughlin is now taking over, news corp controls "the wall street journal," a number of newspapers around the world. it's a big company and journalists had spent their entire careers prewriting obituaries for rupert murdoch. those things are thousands of words long on the shelf everywhere, and the real reckoning probably doesn't come until the kids fight over his inheritance. >> let me come back to donald trump. after the january 6th report murdoch wanted to make trump a nonperson according to the transcripts of the dominion lawsuit. the truth is here we're on the cusp of another election. donald trump most likely going to be the republican nominee, certainly as of now the front-runner. >> still a person. >> exactly, and fox is going to have to deal with that as a news organization. where do you see them interacting with trump? >> another debate on fox,

another debate trump's going to snub. trump likes to attack the network whenever they can. i don't like to say this, but the reality is that the people in charge of fox are the viewers. the audience programs fox, not rupert murdoch, not loughlin murdoch, it's the audience. and that feedback loop every day, the more rageful, hateful programming it's almost as if the audience is in charge now because of the leadership you're describing where there's no one at the captain of the ship running the ship. >> he as the new york city comptroller is bringing against fox news i think shear holder through new york city pensions shape the coverage of fox news because they're trying to hold them accountable. as i think about what we're about to go through and what happened four years ago, no accountability for fox except what happened after the election. could we see that type of action rein in fox?

could they be held accountable through these types of measures? if it's not the viewers, not loughlin murdoch, the shareholders. >> the thing that gave them pause is the massive defamation settlement. you can lie about who won the election. that's perfectly legal. there's lots of space for them to say crazy stuff, but i think the lawsuits did give them pause and force them to button-down the process a little bit. they've been essentially under siege from many quarters for a long time. and what is ultimately slowing them down is none of this stuff, which is the changing media business, the rise of republican commentators whether ben shapiro or meghan kelly. >> these lawsuits are not over. as you say smartmatics is pending, the shear holder lawsuits are pending.

the last thing rupert murdoch wants to do is testify. we're three years past it and tox is still suffering the consequences, and they're going to have to pay a lot more money. >> i think it's safe to say it's not just fox suffering the copsequences, america as a country suffering the consequences. ben smith, brian stelter, thank you so much. we've got a lot more to get to tonight. as he prepares to step down from his role as chairman joint chiefs of staff, a riving picture of chairman mark milley how he and other officials had to work to fight donald trump's impulsiveness. we're going to have that next. s impulsiveness. we're going to have that next.

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all right, so despite the best efforts of republican senator tommy tuberville, the senate has now officially confirmed president obama's pick to be the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, charles q. brown, you see there on your screen. and i've got to say that is actually pretty timely. the term for the current chairman, general mark milley, who i should note is a trump appointee, expires at the end of this month. and a riveting new profile of general milley in the atlantic published this morning reveals general milley's murklen effort to safeguard the country against

the man who appointed him. he was in a dervish of activity, spent much of his time talking with allies, adversaries, all worried about the stability of the united states. milley also spoke with lawmakers and media folks leading up to the days of the election promising the u.s. military would play no role in its outcome. he would remain a dervish until inauguration day reassuring allies and cautioning adversaries, reminding the joint chiefs at the national military command center to be aware of unusual requests or demands and keeping an eye on the activities of the men dispatched by trump to lead the pentagon including defense secretary mark esper, who was fired, a man who milley and others were suspected interested in using the military to advance trump's efforts to remain present. and jeffrey goldberg, author of that profile and editor-in-chief of the atlantic joins me now.

jeffrey, i think the first word on everybody's mind was, wow. we lived in that moment, we saw what happened on january 6th. we had a little bit of inclination, but i think this profile gives us the most in-depth, accurate description of what mark milley did, and i want to read a part of what you wrote. you said in the period before and after the 2020 election, milley did as much or more than any other american to defend the constitutional order to prevent the military from being deployed against the american people and force all the interruption of wars. i guess everyone's question this morning is what happens if this guy comes back? what happens if donald trump is re-elected sfd. >> yeah, that's the question there's no good answer to because the feeling is -- is that the one thing that

militated against trump destroying the government to put it bluntly was a combination of inexperience and so-called grown ups in the room. jim mattis and john kelly and hr mcmaster and rex tillerson, all these guys, some of them had an unofficial pact like baby-sitters, you're going to stay in washington like someone is watching the white house. it sounds crazy in retrospect but there we were. but the next time around it's going to be steven miller's all the way down. in other words it's going to be the true believers. it's not going to be the people most of washington center left, center right would consider the grownups. and you bring up cq brown. it's interesting this will be the reverse of milley's experience. c.q. brown is starving under biden. just the behavioral normalcy of

the biden white house as opposed to the trump white house, so starting there. but if trump wins and i don't think any of us are kidding ourselves when we say he could win again, then you go into a situation where all of a sudden, and i've been very blunt in this piece, all of a sudden you're a general who's reporting to an unstable president. and that was the thing about general milley. he did a lot across his career. but the thing that makes him unique as a chairman of the joint chiefs is that he's the first of the 20 chairman we've had since world war ii when the position was created to ever work with somebody a lot of people consider to be emotionally, mentally, intellectually unfit, morally unfit to be president. >> to your point about the meeting that took place on january 6th between general milley and the officers in

charge that give us all of us who read it a moment of pause -- >> the predicate was right after the attack on the capitol, nancy pelosi calls who's then the speaker, calls general milley and says he's crazy, i know he's crazy, you know he's crazy. and milley's putting this -- remember these are nonpartisan apolitical positions, so the speaker of the house is saying it, and he's like yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. i'm worried -- and this is what speaker pelosi says, i'm worried he's going to watch a nuclear war with two weeks left in miz presidency, and he says it can't happen, these are the systems we have in place, et cetera, et cetera. but then as he described it to out of an abundance of caution let's get everybody together, everybody in this building at

strategic command and omaha and talk everybody through all these procedures. and one of the things he said to this very high level group of generals and admirals if you hear anything strange coming out of the white house, remember this happened at the end of the nixon administration, by the way. this has some precedent. he said anything weird, anything strange let the joint chiefs know. because remember -- >> he's technically not in the chain of command. >> bexar in a democracy except in -- the president can order the use of nuclear weapons, tell the secretary of defense. they can't launch if it's an illegal ordering. this is where it becomes really fuzzy, and that's why you have the chairman, you know, in that -- not in the chain of command but in the consultative group around nuclear war. i think this is the core of it,

the job first and foremost the president is commander in chief. you're in charge of the weapons that can destroy the world. and when your chairman of the joint chiefs thinks you know what maybe this is not the most appropriate person to have in charge of this -- >> like general milley has to understand that but also convey to our adversaries who may think this is a good time to exploit america's ability not to do it. don't look at what's happening in washington and say we're not unstable. >> what he's saying is we're not unstable and the reason we're not unstable is you've got guys like me and other people in the system and all the generals and admirals are professionals and you don't have to worry about it. >> jeffrey, stick around. i've got to talk talk to you a little bit more. when we come back we're going to

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so when general mark milley became president trump's chairman of the joint chiefs of staff in 2019, the army held a welcome ceremony for him. and the man you see in the wheelchair there is army captain lewis avila. he was wounded in the line of duty and chosen by milley

personally to perform god bless america in this important ceremony. here's what happened next according to jeffrey goldberg and his reporting in the atlantic. after avila's performance trump walked over to congratulate him but then he said to milley within earshot of several witnesses why do you bring people like that here, no one wants to see that, the wounded. never let avila appear in public again, trump told milley. jeffrey goldberg, the editor-in-chief at the atlantic, is still with me. does this give insight into donald trump's obsession of not being a loser. he sees everybody and whether or not that was a driving force why he rejected the results of the 2020 election. >> right, i don't know. we're not psychiatrists. i don't know what causes him to have that reaction to wounden warriors, when we know for instance he wanted today to have a big military parade at one point, and he literally told his

staff don't have any of those wounded guys march in the parade, that makes everybody look bad, makes me look bad. and i can't explain his fear or loathing for that. it's obviously part of a continuum. we know how he talked about john mccain, obviously. i like people who weren't shot down, people who join the military and get wounded or killed are suckers to him. obviously he's a person who didn't serve, nobody in this family ever served, so he has this attitude, which i guess you can boil it down to what's in it for me, and he sees somebody in a wheelchair like that who's a heroic figure and battled back in five comeback tours in iraq and afghanistan -- battled back from horrendous injuries, and what trump thinks about is not that guy but how does it make me feel and look? and i can -- i've been thinking

about this question for years ever since the mccain episodes started, but it has to do with the intense self-absorption for starters, and maybe it's some level of shame that he avoided the draft. i don't know. again, he's not here, he's not on the couch, we can't say it. what i can say is it's so far outside the norm of political behavior that we have no experience with this. >> let me read for you another excerpt in your piece. milley has told friends he expects if trump returns to the white house the newly elected president will come after him. he'll start throwing people in jail, and i'd be on top of the list, he said. he seems to be worried about this. how worried is general mark milley? i mean is this rhetorical or a fear he has? donald trump is a vindictive person. we see that in just the way he goes after the special council or judges or anybody that abandons him or abandons his

vision of governance. >> look, it's not just mark milley, if you're john kelly, h.r. mcmaster, rex tillerson, jim mattis, the list of people he hired and turned on, all losers. you know, the most high achievement people in america, all losers. and so i think that whole coterie of people became a little bit more worried when trump said i think it was a couple months ago i will be your retribution. remember that quote? it's a revenge based campaign. can he go after them? i suppose so. >> and steven miller in the department of justice. >> yeah, this is where the stress on the system comes in and this is not normal behavior. but this was not a normal presidency, and he obviously operates outside the boundaries

of the laws. >> let me ask you really quickly, the lafayette square incident, the fact general milley was dragged into it, at the photo-op. how did that factor into his assessment of -- >> this is trump's short-term thinking coming back to bite him, right? hebris milley out, milley and esper, the defense secretary both say they were duped into going. from that moment on milley said i'm not going to be fooled again by the political leadership, and show he was on hyperalert the rest of the trump term for any undemocratic activity, any politicization of the military. so trump thought it would be good to have the soldier in uniform out there and fill milley with shame and remorse, and he apologized.

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and say in front of people we're at a moment which is probably the most dangerous in all of human existence on the planet, but that is exactly where we are. i believe this fight is winnable but not if we continue with this much business as usual as we're seeing today. >> this week john kerry, the special presidential envoy for climate issued a thoroughly dire warning about the situation we find ourselves in that is as a nation and as a planet. a climate that is experiencing disastrous warm temperatures and barrelling towards a full-blown crisis. we've just come off the hottest summer on record, and scientists say things will only get worse unless the global community heed secretary kerry's warning and does something right now. john kerry, the former u.s. secretary of state under president obama joins me now. secretary kerry, i know this has been an exceptionally busy week

for you. i can't imagine, but thank you so much for making time for us tonight. i want to start broadly speaking just kind of the big take away from this week, and i think a lot of people are wondering what the global community can do to combat climate change. there is a big gap between what the experts are calling for and what the world is doing. >> well, actually the world has stepped up with promises, and at the last meetings of a global community they made promises that would make an enormous difference in pulling us back from the brink. the problem is not everybody's fulfilling those commitments, so the push now is to raise ambition but in an accountable way and get the job done. the important is we can win this battle. we absolutely can, but we have to deploy more technology and more attention and live up to our promises. >> i've spent this week speaking to officials on the side lines

of the u.n. the one theme i've heard over and over again is the gap between the global south and the global north. you speak to representatives and diplomats from the global south, and they point the finger at the global north and say it was you that contributed to where we are today, and it's you that have to pay up. and so they're talking about financing to try to setup some kind of financing. how do you close that gap? i mean are we even close to closing that gap? >> well, we have plans to close the gap, and i think there's a huge focus by even the finance community. i met today with asset owners who manage about 7 -- $11 trillion worth of assets and property, and they're really captured by this. they know their life is going to be affected and jobs will be affected. the business community will be affected. insurance companies will be affected. there's a massive cascade down stream here, but more and more people are honestly waking up to this, eamon.

and i believe there's a transformation right now. this could be a really impactful meeting of the world in dubai in the uae in december. and we're on the brink here. so many new technologies breaking through. people seeing fusion for instance making leaps and bounds in progress. new battery storage coming in, green hydrogen being developed. i mean there's a lot happening and a lot of money moving into those investments to make a difference. president biden has done an extraordinary job, frankly, of opening up opportunities that are impressive. the inflation reduction act encouraged new jobs and a whole set of initiatives that are changing what the world is doing, the first movers coalition where the largest companies in america are making commitments to buy green products now in order to create

a demand signal where you have the shipping industry building carbon-free ships. you have the first movers, which is setting an example for some of the largest corporations in the world are setting an example for how you can begin to transform more rapidly, and, you know, there's the major economies forum which has produced a whole new through president biden a summit at the white house, which has now created a transformation in what the targets are, so i really believe that we're in a place to win the battle if in the next months we make the decisions we have to. primary among them, we've got to reduce emissions, and we have to primarily guarantee we're not going to permit new coal fired power plants anywhere in the world. and i think we're on track to begin to take that seriously.

>> in terms of reducing emissions, you have countries, and i was interviewing the iraqi prime minister today who's desperate to get his country's economy back on track after 20 years of war, but at the same time a lot of it goes through fossil fuel. how do you convince a leader like the iraqi prime minister and other countries around the world who desperately seek economic progress through fossil fuel, which is the largest part of their economy to not do that because the rest -- >> it is today but they have to buy into this transformation. they have to recognize what the uae -- the uae has a national company the adnoc and a natural gas producing company, but 15, 20 years ago they made the decision they have to begin to diversify. what we need is the old energy companies need to become new energy companies, and that means to transform somewhat.

a lot of them are, some of them aren't. a lot are choosing to perhaps capture emissions or extract and put back into the earth, to bury it forever. but the marketplace is going to decide who the winners and who the losers are here. the key is that a big energy oil and gas company ought to just transform into an energy company, and many are trying to do that right now. they're chasing green hydrogen. they're working on, you know, new products that are capable of providing the marketplace with a whole set of different choices, electric vehicles are coming online at record pace. the fact is that the demand for fossil fuels is actually going down to some degree now and will be markedly by the end of this decade, so that change -- good ceos are realizing the future is going to be defined in a clean energy economy, and they're

making that commitment. >> i want to share with you the assessment of the u.n. secretary-general antonio guterres. he's giving a vantage point from where he sits and certainly you feel -- fairly optimistic something can be done. he had a etmooing this week, a high level meeting convened. he only allowed remarks by people he felt were taking climate action seriously. china and the united states were not asked to speak at that event. >> well, the reason is they said only leaders could peek and president biden couldn't be there. i was there, but i'm not the leader of the country, so we live by the rules, and the rules were that. the united states under president obama is moving in so many different ways. i mention the coalition, the major economies forum which summoned the 20 largest economies in the world to the white house virtually for a summit. that produced changes in

commitments from people all around the world. we raised the ambition. the united states has the inflation reduction act, which is putting more than -- you know, hundreds of billions of dollars into the new technologies. the united states has been helping other countries in many different ways. i think that the united states can be very proud of the leadership we've been offering on this. we have a shipping challenge. we now have the largest shippers in the world as a result of our challenge that are transforming those power plants and ships into carbon-free power plants. we have sustainable aviation fuel they worked on. there's so many different things it's exciting, but people don't feel all of those changes yet. but the united states and president biden have been really out front creating these new initiatives. one of them is new nuclear. we have a whole new set of small, modular nuclear plants being designed.

and we have methane plants. methane is responsible for 50% of the warming of the planet, but only 2% of the funding of the climate goes to methane. we've now changed that. we started and worked with the eu, put together a methane pledge. we have 159 countries now pledged to move forward on methane. methane is 20 to 80 times more damaging on co2, and it's the quickest way in which we can reduce the earth's temperature increase. so those are things president biden has set in motion, and i think, you know, it's a shame they couldn't allow someone other than a president to speak, but on the other hand those are the rules and we live by them. >> fair enough. you mention cop28 taking place in the united emirates. i want to get your thoughts what a successful cop28 means for you. if you walked away as a successful what would it look

hike? >> there are three things going to happen at this cop, one is automatic announcement of the stock take, which is a report card of where we are. we want that to be honest, to be clear about the gaps and to set something of a path as we go forward. in addition, there's an adaptation report that will come out which will help define the roads adapting for countries that need to adapt and can. and president biden has put a $12 billion commitment on the table in order to help these countries be able to transform and adapt. and then in addition to that we have a whole series of initiatives that are going to be taken by countries around the world. if these are defined well enough and we work at it, that's going to add to our ability to be able to reduce the emissions of the planet. we have raise ambition at this cop so that we're doing what's

necessary to win the battle, and we have to solve the problem of finance. we must come up with a way to root through -- to deploy the trillions of dollars that are needed for this transformation. the u.n. estimates we need to have about 2.5 to $4.5 trillion a year for the next 30 years. we have that money in the private sector, but the private sector's restrained against investing partly just out of concern, not confident. so we're learning how to derisk that money. and if we can find a number of mechanisms come to fruition at the cop in dubai we'll be in a position to leap forward and win the battle. >> i've got it say i appreciate your optimism and i need to find out however you get them. i spent this whole week and i think a lot of people on the side lines of the u.n. they want to be optimistic but they're seeing divisions.

>> obviously there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic. there are incredible new things happening in technology that are battery storage, hydrogen, electrical -- we're on the brink of an tire revolution and we will have a no-carbon economy. the only issue is will we do it in time to avoid the worst of the the crisis? >> hopefully some of the politicians in this country who are climate change deniers don't get decision making seats. >> i'm not allowed to comment on that. >> that's why i made the comment and i didn't let you say it. thank you for your time. that is our show for tonight. i'm eamon mohyeldin in for alex wagner. "way too early" with jonathan lemire coming up next. i know it's an obstacle, but i find it as a challenge. time's not up. i've got time. it'll be a