the plane could have been flying on auto pilot for more than a half hour. the pilot ejected in north charleston, but the jet ended up 80 miles away from williamsburg, county. >> usually airplanes, other military aircraft in which the pilot ejected, the airplane will fly for a while, maybe 30 seconds to a minute, but several minutes, that is surprising. >> reporter: according to department of defense officials, the pilot was taken to the hospital and released on monday, a stunning story of survival after that mysterious crash. blayne alexander, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, breaking news, the chairman of the powerful foreign relations committee indicted on bribery charges. the stunning allegations against senator bob menendez, including

the search that turned up gold bars and money stuffed into jackets. also breaking, the auto strike this afternoon shifting into high gear after a key deadline passed with no deal. the picket lines going up at plants in 20 states. tragedy on the rio grande, a 3-year-old boy drowns trying to cross the border near a texas town, scrambling to handle that flood of migrants. we'll get the latest. plus, investigators now think they know what caused a deadly crash carrying a bus full of kids to band camp. we begin with nbc ken dilanian with that sweeping indictment against new jersey senator bob menendez. ken, break down these allegations for us. >> good afternoon, chris, this 39-page speaking indictment details a sprawling bribery experience among senator me mendez, his wife, and three new jersey businessmen who are accused of paying money in exchange for official acts.

it's important to note that senator ndez, his wife and other codefendants say they will fight these charges, and the are of course entitled to their presumption of innocence. the indictment says me mendez used the power of his office in exchange for cash, gold bars, a mercedes convertible, furniture and exercise equipment. it says the conduct began in 2018, the year menendez was reelected after a jury failed to convict him in a separate case involving illegal gifts. prosecutors say menendez used his leverage as the chairman of the foreign relations committee over billions of dollars of aid to egypt. he said he did that to help a businessman get an exclusive contract. so implications for the u.s. government relation with one of the biggest recipients of military aid, and prosecutors also say that menendez intervened in two criminal cases by putting pressure on law enforcement officials to try to get them to slow down or drop the cases. they say that that actually didn't work, but those are part

of the criminal charges. they say that those men also paid bribes to senator menendez and his wife. now to a big escalation in the ongoing auto workers strike. jesse kirsch is in pontiac, michigan, where workers have just gone on strike. how big is this getting? >> reporter: before we were looking at three plants, one each in ohio, michigan and missouri. now we're talking about what the uaw says is a strike stretching coast to coast, 20 states, 38 different facilities and there are two notable parts of this. one, we're talking about just an expansion at stellantis and general motors. the union is signaling with that that they believe they have made good progress with ford. and remember, the threat that came from the union before today was if we don't see substantial progress, that was the terminology being used by the union between negotiations between the union and the big three, we would be expanding the

strike. that was the warning from the union. and so the fact that they haven't expanded against ford bodes well for those negotiations. but stellantis and gm, clearly in the eyes of the union are not at the same level as ford, and so this strike has expanded against those two companies. the other notable piece of this, chris, for people watching at home who might need their car repaired now or coming up is something to keep in mind. the facilities that have now been targeted are all parts distribution centers for gm and stellantis. what does that mean? if you have a gm or stellantis vehicle and you need a repair at a dealership, that could potentially become trickier. it could take more time for that to get done. we spoke with more workers today about joining the strike. here's what we heard from one on the lines here. >> if our leadership tell us to walk out, that means we're not there yet. the mor solidarity we show on the picket lines, the quicker we

can end the strike. >> we're definitely ready. we have our union brothers and sisters out here. we're ready. we're sticking together. >> the threat was made. they chose not to fulfill their side of the agreement, and here we are. >> reporter: so i spoke with a dealer a short time ago about the potential impact to dealerships and to people who need their cars fixed, and he said that they have been stocking up in good supply on parts for more routine maintenance, more basic maintenance, the things they have seen a lot of in the last year. if you need something like engine work, an engine, transmission, suspension, electronics, control modules, these are some of the terms the dealer laid out for me. those could become more complicated to get your hands on. this could also impact the business dealers. speaking to our friends at msnbc, there's a major financial blow being dealt to the companies by this, this is

something that could wind up pressuring the public more than it would necessarily directly financially pressure the company, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the court of public opinion. we do also now have a statement from general motors about the expansion of the strike. i want to read that to you in part, they're saying, quote, the uaw leadership is manipulating the bargaining process for their own personal agenda. this is something that is now going to impact people in many more states, and again, could wind up impacting the consumer, something that we talked about as a looming possibility. it now appears it could be days away, again, depending on what kind of repair you need, and what kind of car you have, chris. >> jesse kirsch, thank you so much. now to the border where a 3-year-old child died trying to cross the rio grande near that texas city that's been overwhelmed by migrants in recent days. nbc's guad venegas is live. give us the lay of the land.

what are you seeing? what are you hearing? >> reporter: chris, we have a state of emergency declared by local authorities. they need more financial resources to deal with the influx of migrants. this is the river the migrants are crossing. people are asking, why is this happening now, why is there an influx? there's no way to determine what changed in the last few days, weeks or months, what we know, chris is large numbers of migrants have been moving through central america and moving through mexico. the united nations reported that this year alone they have seen more than 300,000 people make their way through the jungle in panama, attempting to arrive at the u.s./mexico border. there's an argument that perhaps smugglers chose these last few days to bring more people to the border. there's also large groups that arrived here using some of the trains. a few days ago in mexico, the largest freight train company shut down the trains heading north because they said they had an unprecedented number of migrants riding those trains, so

what we have seen here in the last few days are large groups of migrants, hundreds arriving at the river, crossing, making their way into the u.s. to turn themselves in. we saw earlier today, families with young kids walking across the water. we could hear the children cry, the mothers telling them to raise their feet as they were getting through the water. they do it as a human chain. you see them all hold hands. they make ware they over to this area. you can see there's wire that has been installed by authorities. they have found ways to move it, come in and turn themselves in. now, it has slowed down in the last hour, but what we're seeing, and this is very strange because we try to understand what's happening on the mexican side. it's very strange. right now, i can see national guard soldiers on the mexican side, right across the river. i can see what appears to be state police under the bridge and this direction, 300 feet in the other direction, i see another truck that could be state police, and further down, local police. i haven't seen any migrants come

through in the last 30 minutes. when the migrants came in earlier today, these officers weren't there. we did see a vehicle at one point, just so you understand the dynamics here. we saw a vehicle come in, 12 migrants got out of the vehicles, went across the water. the vehicle drove away, and the officers arrived. we haven't seen enforcement from mexican authorities. what we have seen is a heavier presence today, and when they are present, the migrants don't come around. we saw another large group over in the bushes down in this direction. that's what it's been like. we also have reports that the trains in mexico have started moving, and perhaps there could be hundreds on one of these trains making their way to negras. what we know is this influx will continue and those trains are also very important for the commerce because those trains have products that are making their way into the united states. well, they have been stopped, at least here in eagle pass. the ceo of union pacific was here earlier today, and told me

that they have product stuck in mexico, and they're waiting for customs to allow these trains to make it into the u.s., and also vice versa, there's trains in the united states at eagle pass that need to make their way to mexico. companies on both sides now being affected by this influx while cvp and border patrol are processing the thousands that have come in. >> guad venegas, thank you very much. now an update to the breaking news we brought you yesterday a terrible bus crash involving dozens of high school students on their way to band camp. rehema ellis has more. >> reporter: the first words we heard from the governor and state police is they think a faulty front tire was responsible for this crash that led this bus to go careening down this hill, tumbling some 40 feet into a ravine. what they say is they're stressing that this is the preliminary word on what happened.

they don't know. the state troopers and the ntsb have been on the scene investigating this. and we're now told that this afternoon around 4:00 or 4:30, we should get something more definitive, perhaps, from the ntsb about their investigation. this has been a tragedy that has rocked the community of farmingdale. this bus was one of six in a caravan of buses coming from the farmingdale high school in long island, making its way to an annual trip, annual band camp in pennsylvania. authorities say they were just a few miles, if you will, from the destination when the tragic accident happened. there were 44 people on the bus, 40 students, four adults. two adults were killed in this accident, the band leader and a chaperon of the school band. a beloved member, both of them we're told were beloved members of the community. the band leader, 43 years old,

she had been working with the school and had been a student there herself. the chaperon had been a teacher for some 32 years or more and had become like the grandmother, 77 years old, and everyone saw her as a beloved member of the community. five people, we should tell you, five students were also critically injured in this accident. we don't know the exact extent of their injuries. they have not been revealed yet. but we're told that they are serious. we hope that we will learn more about what caused this accident, about the nature of the injuries to those students when a news conference is held by the ntsb we're told later this afternoon. chris. >> rehema ellis, thank you for that. still ahead, what's next for senator menendez as he faces his second indictment for corruption in ten years. the history of the charges against him coming up in 60 seconds. against him coming up in 60 seconds. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein.

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senator robert menendez is the first sitting senator in u.s. history to be indicted twice on two unrelated criminal allegations. but in a scathing response to today's federal bribery charges, the veteran lawmaker reminded voters that he got off the first time and expects to do so again. i want to bring in new jersey editor for "politico" who previously covered the ew jersey state house for years. and anthony coley, former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland, and former aide to new jersey senator turned governor, john corsine. a lot of allegations in this indictment. what jumps out to you? >> well, these allegations compared to the first indictment in 2015 are much more clear cut and much more relatable to people. some of this stuff reads like

it's torn out of a script from the sopranos. we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash stuffed inside jackets or closets. gold bars being hidden. help for mortgage payments, mercedes-benz, help paying for that. it's just, the allegations are so egregious and they just kind of strike the conscience of people in the public, whereas the first indictment, it was really kind of tough to parse and really got into the weeds, and during the trial, prosecutors were scrutinizing american express bills, and getting into the minutiae of federal contracts. it wasn't very relatable to people, and this is very striking. >> dustin makes a great point, anthony, because just look at the pictures, right. look at pictures of the gold bar, the car, the convertible. at the picture of the piles of cash that they say they found there. how different could this be for

a jury should it go to a jury? and what do you see when you read this indictment? >> i see an astonishing set of facts. it's really damming evidence against senator menendez. and i think more than anything this represents, you know, let me say it this way. there's been a lot of talk, particularly on the right, of people who say this justice department has been politicized. this is the latest proof point that, no, this justice department has not been politicized. you have an attorney general who's a democrat, who allowed this charge to go forth because the facts are so clear and so overwhelming. this is the latest that we've seen of public officials of both parties being held accountable. when i was there, the justice department bought charges against the democratic house speaker. the chair of the democratic party in louisiana, republican congressman from nebraska, so, you know, my hope here is that

some of your viewers watching this will see this for what it is, the latest proof point that this justice department isn't politicized as many people contend on the right. >> they did say at the end of the press conference if anybody has information, they would love to hear it, right. when you read this, do you see the potential of someone flipping? >> it certainly is a possibility, and one would hope that damien williams, the u.s. attorney there, is who made that plea for people to come forward. one thing about damien williams is he is the first person in that role who looks like him. just as well as the special agent in charge there. the fbi, the special agent in charge, james stewart, i believe was his name. these are two people who got to their positions because they followed the facts. they focused on the details in these cases, and i just don't believe that they would have let

this case come forward if there was any type of political interference as senator menendez alluded to in his statement. >> so, dustin, knowing senator menendez, at least to the extent you covered him, you followed him, it was a full page that he released denying anything, said he didn't do anything wrong. says this is just normal business. what would you expect to see from him in the coming days and weeks given the fact that it does appear in this case the circumstances, the political circumstances are different, both in terms of what these charges are, but also the political environment that chuck schumer and the other democrats find themselves in. >> knowing bob menendez and where he comes from, which is sort of a notorious section of new jersey. it's very hard scramble and people take a lot of pride coming from there. he struck a defiant tone as you mentioned in a one-page

statement, portraying himself as a victim, that the justice department and prosecutors have been going after him for years. he has stood trial in the past. he's been the subject of investigations in the past. so i would expect him to continue. but the political reality is he's up for reelection next year, and this is the second time he has been in indicted. as you mentioned, that hasn't happened before to a sitting u.s. senator, and new jersey democrats don't want to lose a seat that should be easy to keep, and it might be time at 69 years old, they may come to the conclusion that it's time for bob menendez to step aside. >> could you see him stepping down before his term is up? >> he is so defiant, i don't see him stepping out at all. i don't want to get into the business of making any predictions. so much can happen, the political machinery may step in, and they may come to an groemt. agreement. the next step for him, senate

rules say he has to step down or anybody who is indicted has to step down from their chair positions, and he's the chair of the foreign relations committee. he may be forced to do that soon as for reelection, it's hard to say. >> thank you both for being with us. appreciate it. hollywood on edge as studio big wigs and writers get closer to a deal to end an historic strike. where the negotiations stand to get thousands of people back to work and your favorite shows back on tv. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it.

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in what could be a promising sign, hollywood studios and the writers union will be back at the bargaining table again today after a marathon session yesterday. the l.a. times reports that both sides believe there is momentum toward a deal. 143 days after the strike began. studios are said to be eager to hammer out a deal by early october to salvage their 2024 movie lineup and what's left of the current tv season. cnbc's contessa brewer joins me for cnbc on msnbc. and puck founding partner, matthew bellamy, what do we know about where things stand right now? >> we were they were scheduled to go back to the negotiating table a couple of hours ago, not just studio representatives

against the writers union but we're talking about the heads of the studio, disney, nbc universal, of course our parent company, warner brothers discovery, netflix had their big bosses going in to sit down at the negotiation table and try to hammer this out. what we learned, some of the sticking points may be, one is that the writers want to have minimum staffing levels on some of these shows and to know in advance that their duration of employment will be extended. in other words, they want to be on for the preproduction and they want to be paid for the post production when they have to go in and do re-writes. traditionally, they may have been expected to do that without pay. they're working through the issues. the streaming piece of this is super important because the studios haven't quite figured out how to make the streaming platforms totally successful, and at the same time, the writers are saying, we're not seeing the kind of residuals that we used to see from linear television shows that, when they got replayed or resold, they

would still get some compensation for that. and they want to ensure that now, and then they want to make sure that the ai piece of this is hammered out because they don't want ai to be taking jobs away from them. they seem closer to a deal, we'll have to wait and see when the actors follow suit because some of the issues are the same for the actors, but they came later to the picketing line. >> contessa, thank you for that. matthew, as she said, you've got the big bosses who have come in now. does that tell you that they're close? >> it does. it also says they probably should have been there a month or two ago. that's a separate issue. the fact that the studio heads are at the negotiating table is a big deal. the guild and studio side released a joint statement a couple of days ago saying that they had scheduled more talks. that's the first time that had happened, and everything we're hearing from the room is that they are making progress. however, last night there was a

setback. the studio side thought they had a deal. the writers are, you know, broken for a little bit. and came back to the table, and it was very clear after that that there was not a deal, and there was some anger at that. so, you know, it's close, but it's not there yet. >> all right. i also want to ask you about the other big story in the media world, which is rupert murdoch stepping down from fox. you have interviewed lachlan multiple times over the years. what are you watching for to see where the company is heading now? >> well, the big thing is that rupert is not actually going anywhere. he has said to his employees and he still controls the company via stock that he's not going away, he's going to still give them notes and you look at what they're doing, and be in the office, all of the things that he's done while lachlan has been ceo of the company, so it's sort of a question as to why he did this, and i think he's looking beyond his life span here because when he passes away, the

siblings, his children are going to have to fight over who controls everything, and he would prefer that lachlan control everything. >> i mean, this is where it does kind of align, right, with the very popular tv show succession, who's going to end up in control of this behemoth. >> absolutely. and the mechanism here, the trust, there are four children on it and there's no tie breaker mechanism. they want to prevent a situation where it's two and two, and behind the scenes, there's a lot of jockeying going on amongst the siblings, so we'll see, and i think what rupert is doing here by saying lachlan is in charge is saying to the community and to his daughters that this is my wish, that lachlan stay on and manage this company and do whatever he sees fit for the company because he loves fox news. >> matthew belloni, always gooz

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the senate could be in for another change. senator joe manchin plans to file a bipartisan resolution next week to reverse the newly relaxed senate dress code. 46 republicans had already signed a letter asking majority leader chuck schumer to reverse his decision. schumer changed the dress code to allow senators to basically wear what they wanted, which has allowed senator john fetterman to wear hoodies and shorts instead of a jacket and tie on the floor. senator fetterman put his motions, he showed an app on his phone that offers a transcription service allowing

him to participate in meetings and talk with his kids following a stroke last year. the senator got choked up describing the ridicule he has faced over that. >> i had a stroke about 18 months ago. you know, and i have lost my ability to fully process language. because i live in a political environment, i was ridiculed and made fun of because i wasn't able to process things sometimes, or say things. so i'm so sorry that i'm sure many of you had to go through this kind of thing. >> he ended his statement with a question to the committee guests in attendance, saying how can we become more empathetic, more responsive and more effective senators. well, today the biggest group in democratic politics is part of an aggressive movement to stop a third-party candidate from running for president who they believe could play spoiler to joe biden. the warning comes after the third-party group no labels announced it has registered more than 15,000 voters just in

arizona, enough to tip the election in that critical swing state. john kasich is the former republican governor of my home state of ohio and joins me here in studio. good to see you in person. >> chris, can i say something about fetter pan? -- fetterman. >> look, i don't like what they changed on the dress code, but individuals with disabilities should be rising in our country, and that means there's a significant number of things we can do, including resources to help them because there's the potential to take people who had been housed somewhere to stand up and get a life that they deserve. >> so instead of being somebody who can be ridiculed, you see him as someone to set an example for what's possible. >> i think with the app and what he was saying, look, i want to participate. i don't think he has to wear hoodies and shorts, and i think they're going to probably change that. recognizing the fact that having an individual who has a disability, and there are more than just him, is a good thing because this country needs to recognize that they're human being, too, made in god's image,

and they deserve a chance. so i wanted to say that about this. >> i thank you for that. >> yes. >> let's talk about arizona, no labels. in arizona in 2020, joe biden defeated donald trump by only about 10,000 votes. >> right. >> so now they have registered far more than that. are democrats right to worry about a possible third party candidacy, especially one that's got money behind it? >> look, with no labels and i know about it, i'm not part of it. i support what they're trying to do, let them get on the ballot in all of these states. the no labels people, they're not stupid people. what they want is if it's trump and biden, they want to have an alternative. however, if it's not trump and biden, i don't think they will even participate. and at the same time, look, i don't think those folks, and i know some of them, they don't want to elect donald trump. so everybody's just freaking out right now -- >> it's that the real possibility of what could happen? >> it is a possibility, but it's

also possible, look, there's another scenario where people who are republicans have nowhere to go, and they don't want to vote for a democrat. maybe they'll vote. maybe it takes votes also from republicans. more likely to take votes from the democrats, but we have a long way to go. and frankly, there are members of the democratic party that are trying to keep no labels off the ballot. they complain about voter suppression, they have engaged in some of it themselves. we've got a long way to go to figure out exactly how this is going to come down. at the end of the day, i don't think that group will do something that in my opinion, will result in the election of donald trump. >> let's talk about what's driving it, because people are really unhappy, and a new poll out of new hampshire shows joe biden leading donald trump by 12 points, 52-40. but what it also shows is deep voter dissatisfaction. so they asked the voters if they would be dissatisfied or worse if these candidates won the presidency, a strong majority, 62% absolutely would be not

happy with trump. 56% for biden. of the others running and you can see them here, those dissatisfaction numbers run from 48% to 76% dissatisfaction if mike pence gets elected. does this tell us, do you think, more about the candidates or the country? >> well, i mean, first of all, we have 325 million americans. isn't it unbelievable that we're down to potentially trump and biden. and i tell my democratic friends, i say, look, you know, biden's not performing well. he doesn't look like he's very strong. and you know there's a big problem with kamala harris. and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i said, stop yelling at republicans about no labels, what are you doing about your ticket. that gets to be difficult for them. so is this about the mood of the country? i think nobody's shining right now. i think people sense that we're not seeing the kind of leadership that we have seen in the past, and i think people are kind of tired of it, and so that's why they're saying what they're saying, and that's why,

you know, third parties are not ready yet to take over, but if these two parties keep doing all of these crazy things they're doing, third party can become a real reality. can there be a disruptive force that's not part of a third party? because no labels is really not a third party it's more of a movement, could there be a third party that could arise, there might be, and that will scare everybody who's currently in politics, but, you know, we got to shake this system up. >> well, one thing that some republicans who have come on this program have talked about is, if we can just winnow the field of republicans, maybe somebody will have the opportunity to challenge donald trump. >> i don't like that. if somebody wants to run for president because they think they're contributing something to the country, who are these people over here saying you don't have a right to do that. i think they're just dead flat out wrong. if somebody really feels the passion, let them run. and, chris -- >> well, i think the other republicans are passionate, but what they are up against now is

this is the way the argument goes, if it was just one on one with donald trump, somebody would have a fighting chance. >> that's silly. what are you going to do, say who's it's going to be and tell everybody else who wants to run for president who think they have something to offer they shouldn't be able to run? that's ridiculous. the other thing is you know this in politics, things can change on the dime. somebody has a moment. somebody captures the imagination of the public, it can happen. it's happened many times in our history. so let them all compete. >> could it happen at the debate next week? >> that's another question. debates, i don't think moses could have won a debate to get the ten commandments, okay, i think debates are not a good way to pick. look, there's one set of skills you need to become the candidate. there's another set of skills you need to govern. here's what i would suggest, instead of these debates where they're all trying to get their one moment, trying to stick out and all that stuff and we don't even care what they say, it's what the media says afterwards who won and who lost, this is

boring, but how about if we sit down with each of these candidates for an hour, and quiz them, and see what they're really made of because that's what we need to do. we shouldn't be picking a president on the basis of some pop culture thing. we should be picking a president, a man or a woman, who's got depth, substance, and judgment and it's not going to come out in these debates. i'm sort of tired of them. >> maybe you could be rnc chair, what do you think? >> that would be the last. i'd probably have a better chance of being the dnc chair than the rnc chair. i'm sort of a man without a party, which is exactly where i want to be because you know what, i'm still a republican but you know what, just tell it like it is. let the chips fall where they may, chris. >> you are in ohio, come back to new york soon, it's great to have you here. >> always great to be with you. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. governor john kasich. taylor swift is in her get out the vote era, let's just say taylor's version is already showing major results. the pop star registered a whopping 35,000 people to vote after posting an instagram story

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deliveries faster at all times of the day. to make that happen, the company relies at least in part on a program called flex. >> amazon flex is a program where independent contractors can go pick up delivery routes. >> reporter: independent contractors makes it sound very official, these are just regular people, right? >> yeah. >> reporter: regular people like george hunt who drive their own cars to make deliveries, often early or late. >> almost your entire shift is in the dark. >> i beat the sunrise every morning when i'm done. >> reporter: the extra cash helping his young family, which is how he ended up making a delivery around 4:30 a.m. on the south side of chicago in 2022. outside the car with package in hand, he heard the engine rev behind him. >> i kind of turned around, almost dumbfounded, i'm not piecing together this is literally a carjacking happening. >> reporter: and then he says, the carjacker pulled a gun. >> he fired one shot, it hit me in the shoulder.

i heard more shots. >> reporter: one bullet went through his leg, the other lodged just short of his spinal cord. his story one of several uncovered by our report in the information, a tech and business publication, raising questions about flex drivers safety. >> they're not required to wear vests, they use their own cars, and if bad things happen on the job, generally amazon says it's not our fault. you're not an employee. >> reporter: five others he spoke with said they had guns drawn on them by homeowners. and he found dozens of unverified accounts in chat groups. >> homeowners were seeing someone drive up in an unmarked car and being, you know, baffled about who this person could be in their driveway. >> reporter: basically homeowners are coming out scared. >> that's right. >> reporter: in a statement, amazon says these incidents with guns are tragedies, but are exceedingly rare. adding safety is a priority, and the company is continually investing to protect drivers.

flex drivers choose among available routes, and an app allows them to communicate directly with customers. they can refuse to deliver a package if they arrive and feel unsafe. according to company policy. >> while we technically had the right to refuse a route, we risked deactivation. >> reporter: hunt says this sign was posted at the delivery station last year when he was shot. you may choose to leave the route, but will not be given another, it says. the sign was removed more than a year and a half ago, and was a violation of company policy, according to amazon. now, hunt is suing for workers' compensation to pay his medical bills, and moved to south bend, indiana, where he continues to pick up routes for amazon. staying extra vigilant. >> my wife and i are saving to buy a house. any extra money helps. >> reporter: the money he says is good and his family needs it. stephanie gosk, nbc news, south bend, indiana. much more ahead on "chris jansing reports" reports. we'll be right back.

. we have some new nbc news exclusive reporting. ukrainian president zelenskyy is walking away from washington with one of his key requests, long range missiles capable of striking deep behind russian lines. president biden for the first time promising to send kyiv a small number of what's known as atacms during their meeting yesterday. according to three u.s. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussion. these missiles have a range of 180 miles, far beyond anything in the ukrainian arsenal. that development comes as zelenskyy takes his publicity blitz to canada. he just addressed parliament there after meeting with prime minister justin trudeau. all part of his week long effort to keep the world's attention amid waning support from some critical allies including some members of congress here in the states. with me, michael crowley, diplomatic correspondent for the "new york times." let me start with that look,

just to be clear, the officials that our courtney kube talked to declined to say how many atacms they might provide or even when, but why is this so important, and in general, is the feeling that zelenskyy leaves the united states getting a lot of what he wanted? >> well, he has really wanted these missiles for a long time. the range on these missiles really lets the ukrainians strike deeper behind russian lines, trying to hit among other things command posts and makes it a lot harder for the russians to manage the front having to push them back, extend supply lines, keep the commanders farther away, and this has been on the ukrainian wish list for a long time. here's the thing, what u.s. officials have said for a long time is we're thinking about giving them these missiles, they have some reservations, partly because of the range they could potentially be used to strike into russia, which is a big red line for president biden. he does not want american weapons striking into russia. what they also say is this is not a silver bullet.

there is no silver bullet for the ukrainians in the war. this is looking like it's going to be a long, grinding war of attrition. though this will boost ukrainian moral a little bit, it's a sign by president biden to show that the u.s. is very invested in this war effort. the game here is really a long game, and it comes down to things like russia's economy, the manufacturing of ammunition shells in the u.s. and in europe. this is not a simple solution. it's a long game, and honestly, i don't know that this changes the game all that much. >> when you talk about a long game, that creates some problems. it's one of the complaints you hear in congress. are we going to write a check with an open-ended, you know, date on it. also poland, a bill supporter in giving a lot of equipment say they're no longer going to send weapons to kyiv. how worried is volodymyr zelenskyy and how realistic is it to think that, frankly, people are going to stick with it, that countries that have been long time supporters are going to continue to do what

they have been doing so far when they're getting political pressure to stop? >> yeah, i think zelenskyy, ukrainian officials and u.s. and european officials who support ukraine are incredibly worried. they're seeing poll numbers are showing that support is declining for these levels of support. significant numbers of americans think we should not send any more aid to the ukrainians. then you have the elephant in the room, which is the candidacy of president donald trump who is talking about cutting a 24-hour deal with vladimir putin to end the war. if you end the war quickly right now, you have a huge amount of ukrainian territory occupied by russia. it's a disaster for ukraine, a disaster to the western effort to support ukraine. and support is diminishing in congress. the question is over the longer term, particularly as the campaign heats up, and trump is out there all the time presumably reiterating his criticisms that we're spending too much, that the war is going on for too long, how do you keep that level of support up in the

united states and the west. that's part of the long game i'm talking about, and it's not going to be easy. it's really, i think, very alarming for the ukrainians right now. >> we only have a minute left. what are you going to be watching for in the weeks and months to come particularly as the international community starts to make decisions on whether or not volodymyr zelenskyy's, i don't want to call it a charm offensive, but he's going around trying to shore up support, will hold. >> more important, not the charm offensive but the military counter offensive that ukraine has been conducting. so far it has been disappointing. it has not made substantial gains. it's not been the breakthrough people are hoping for. the weather is going to change. you're going to get rain and eventually snow and cold weather that's going to make combat operations difficult. the question is if that counter offensive peters out and is a disappointment, are people going to say, look, they took their best shot, we flooded them with weapons and everything they could, and they can't breakthrough there's not going to be a military solution here, let's start talking, and again f you start talking now, you're talking with russia occupying a

huge amount of ukraine. it's a disadvantageous situation for the ukrainians. can they get anything more from the counter offensive before the weather makes it more difficult. >> michael fancy maneuvers to get here through the traffic in new york city today, we do appreciate you coming in. >> i was glad i could make it. thank you. >> thank you so much, and that's going to do it for us this hour. joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with yasmin vossoughian right now. ♪♪ hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian, in for katy tur. we are watching the white house right now where president biden and vice president harris are set to launch the first ever federal office to combat gun violence. we're going to bring you the president's remarks as soon as they get started there. we want to begin here in new york where new jersey senator bob menendez along with his wife and