it's a disadvantageous situation for the ukrainians. can they get anything more from the counter offensive before the weather makes it more difficult. >> michael fancy maneuvers to get here through the traffic in new york city today, we do appreciate you coming in. >> i was glad i could make it. thank you. >> thank you so much, and that's going to do it for us this hour. joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with yasmin vossoughian right now. ♪♪ hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian, in for katy tur. we are watching the white house right now where president biden and vice president harris are set to launch the first ever federal office to combat gun violence. we're going to bring you the president's remarks as soon as they get started there. we want to begin here in new york where new jersey senator bob menendez along with his wife and three businessmen have been

indicted on federal bribery charges. prosecutors say menendez used his influence to enrich his codefendants and the egyptian government, interfered in an investigation against jose uribe, shared sensiti government information and with his wife, accepted a range of bribes, which investigators uncovered at the couples' property. >> some agents with the fbi executed search warrants on the residents and safety deposit box of senator menendez. when they got there, they discovered approximately $500,000 of cash stuffed into envelopes in closets. some was stuffed in the senator's jacket pockets. some of the envelopes of cash contained daibes finger prints and dna. agents also discovered a lot of gold, gold that was provided by daibes and hanna, and the fbi,

of course, found the mercedes-benz that uribe had provided them. >> so senator menendez has responded to these charges saying in part, this, i ask that you recall the other times prosecutors got it wrong and that you reserve judgment. i am confident that this matter will be successfully resolved once all the facts are presented. a lawyer for nadine menendez says this, denies any wrong doing, and will defend vigorously against these allegations in court. so what happens next? that's the big question. we have reporting on what menendez plans to do in congress as this thing unfolds and when and where the senator is expected to appear for his arraignment. a lot to get to. a lot to explain, and we want to start with the reporting on this. joining us now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian and nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin as well. guys, stand by for me, if you will. the president is speaking now in

the rose garden. let's go there. [ applause ]. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. >> everyone should see except mom and dad. mom and dad, stand up. i want everyone to see the parents of this proud new congressman. you did a heck of a job. congressman frost, thank you for that introduction, and you have helped power a movement of turning a cause into a reality. you know, you're the big reason why i'm so optimistic about america's future. so many engaged young people, so many engaged. i remember when i was young. we have something in common. i got elected to the senate when i was 29 years old. only different was he was eligible when he got elected to take office. i had to wait 17 days to be eligible. that was 827 years ago, but it

was a while. folks, vice president harris, members of the cabinet, so many members of congress who are here and the relentless leaders on this critical issue. you know, one of the members who couldn't be here today is a really important member, senator chris murphy. with chris, who together with congressman frost introduced the bell created a dedicated gun violence protection office. he couldn't be here today. since the tragedy at sandy hook, and i remember being there. i remember how i met with every one of the parents who were there. i met with every member, every family member, and what i do also remember is that i remember as we were leaving, the state police doing the investigation asked the senator if they would meet with me, if i could meet with them. and i said of course i would, and i think there are about 12 to 14 of them. i walked in the room. and two of them started crying.

they said we need help. we need help. i looked and said what can i do, they said we need psychiatric help. we need help. anyone who doesn't thing that these kinds of engagements have a permanent effect on young children, in many case, their entire lives, never had a bullet touch them, misunderstands, these are hard and tough cops asking me, could i get them psychiatric help. to all the state and local leaders and advocates from all across the country and to the survivors and families who are with us today, many of whom jill and i have gotten to know, and by the way, our losses may be different circumstances, but i know events like this are really hard to attend. you want to be here to promote the change, but it brings back

all the memories as if it happened a day ago, and i thank you, those of you who are parents for being here, brothers and sisters for being here. it matters. you have absolute courage, you found purpose in your pain. and because of all of you here today, all across the country, survivors, families, advocates, especially young people who demand our nation do better to protect all, who protested, organized, voted and ran for office, and, yes, marched for their lives, i'm proud to announce the creation of the first ever white house office of gun violence prevention. first office in our history. [ applause ]

. >> created by executive order, i determined to send a clear message about how important this issue is to me and to the country. it matters, and here is why. after every mass shooting, we hear a simple message, the same messages heard all over the country, and i've been to ever mass shooting. do something. please do something. do something to prevent the tragedies that leave behind survivors who will always carry the physical and emotional scars. families who will never quite be the same, communities overwhelmed by grief and trauma, do something. do something. my administration has been working relentlessly to do something. to date, my administration has announced dozens of executive actions to reduce gun violence, more than any of my predecessors at this point in their presidencies, and they include everything from cracking down on ghost guns, breaking up gun

trafficking and so much more. [ applause ] and last year, with your help, i signed a law, the bipartisan safer communities act, the most significant gun safety law in almost 30 years. the background checks, expands the use of red flag laws, improves access to mental health services and so much more. this historic law will save lives. it's really important first step, and by the way, i was a guy along with a woman in california who once banned assault weapons and multiple magazines, we're going to do it again. we're going to do it again. a reason to hope. so long the conventional wisdom was we would never get any republicans to support gun safety legislation, but we did. for the first time in three decades, we came together to overcome the relentless opposition from the gun lobby,

gun manufacturers and so many politicians opposing common sense gun legislation, and we beat them. [ applause ] and we did it through a bipartisan effort that included a majority of responsible gun owners. we're not stopping here. again, i'll say it again, i'm not going to be quiet until we get it done. it's time again to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. [ applause ] if you need 80 shots in a magazine, you shouldn't own a gun. because, look, last time we did it, it worked. we also last time we established universal background checks to require safe storage of firearms. it's time. it's time. look -- [ applause ] we push for congress to do more, we're going

to centralize, accelerate, and intensify our work to save more lives more quickly. that's why this new white house office of gun vie violence prevention is designed to do, and will be overseen by an incredible vice president who understands this more than any vice president has. no really, that's not hyperbole, that's a fact. she has been on the front lines of this issue her entire career, as a prosecutor, attorney general, and united states senator. her deep experience will be invaluable for this office, and steph, where's steph feldman, steph, i want you to stand up, please. steph feldman [ applause ]. you have been working on this issue with me since sandy hook in 2012. now she was 13 years old when she joined me. since 2012, will serve as director of the office.

and the office will have four primary responsibilities. first, to expedite the implementation of the bipartisan safer communities act and the executive actions already announced. and i mean it. we're going to fully implement them. second, coordinate more support for survivors, families and communities affected by gun violence, including mental health care, financial assistance, the same way fema responds to natural disaster. the same way. and helps folks recover and rebuild. look, folks shootings are the ultimate superstorm, ripping through communities. third, identify new executive actions we can take within our legal authority to reduce gun violence. and fourth, expand our coalition of partners in states and cities across america because we do have partners to get more. we feed more state and local help to get these laws passed

locally as well. and to strengthen our laws and give us more hope. folks, to be clear, none of these steps alone is going to solve the entirety of the gun violence epidemic. none of them. but together, they will save lives, and it's going to help. it will help rally the nation with a sense of urgency, and seriousness of purpose. today guns, i never thought i'd even remotely say this in my whole career, guns are the number one killer of children in america. guns are the number one killer of children in america. the united states of america. more than car accidents, more than cancer, more than other diseases. in 2023 so far, our country has experienced more than 500 mass shootings. and well over 30,000 deaths due to gun violence. this is totally unacceptable. it's not who we are.

and we have to act. we have to act now. and let me be very clear, members of the congress refuse to act, they will need to elect new members of congress that will act. democrat or republican. [ applause ] look, folks, there comes a point where our voices are so loud, our determination so clear that our effort can no longer be stopped. we're reaching that point. we've reached that point today in my view, where the safety of our kids from gun violence is on the ballot. at the end of the day, whether democrats and republicans, we all want our families to be safe. we want to go to school, houses of worship, gyms, malls, movies, without constant anxiety. we want our kids to have the freedom to learn how to read and write in school instead of duck and cover, for god sake, and it matters. so let me close with this, earlier this summer i was in

connecticut at a summit on gun safety hosted by senator murphy. four students impacted by gun violence that are here with us today summoned extraordinary courage and stood and shared their stories on stage. four of them. they each came from different backgrounds, different parts of the country. different shootings. but they shared a common singular message, and one of them summed up in just a few words, and i quote, the deadly and traumatic price for inaction, that's what he talked about, the deadly and traumatic price for inaction, they made clear what all of you know too well, that price can no longer be the lives of our children and the people of our country. they spoke for an entire generation of americans who will not be ignored, will not be shunned and will not be silenced, and i know -- [ applause ] -- i know progress is

hard. i've been at this a long time, but we've done it before. we can do it again. if we're here, i'm here to tell you that you and vice president harris hears you as well, you're right. you're right. we're by your side, and we're never going to give up dealing with this problem. we're never going to forget your loved ones we're never going to get there unless we remember. you know, i know we'll do this because i know you, heroes, heroes proving that even with heavy hearts you have unbreakable spirits. in memory of your loved ones, you're building a movement that endures. above all, you'll never give up on the one thing we must never lose, hope. hope, hope. jill and i complement doug, our entire administration, more determined than ever to carry forward that hope, that inspiration, that light. that you continue to give us

all. for the lives we have lost, for the lives we can save, we can do this. we just have to keep going. just have to keep the faith. we just have to remember who we are. every time i walk out of my grand pop's house in scranton, he would yell, for real, joey, keep the faith, and my grandmother would yell, no, joey, spread it. spread it. that's what we have to do. spread the faith. and remember, remember, and i mean this sincerely, we are the united states of america. there is nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together. nothing we have ever tried to solve when we have done it together we haven't succeeded. god bless you all, may god protect our troops, and may god protect our children. thank you so very much. >> distinguished guests, please remain in the rose garden as the president and the vice president

depart. thank you. you see the president there giving a handshake and a pat on the back to the vice president, surrounded there by the vice president and representative maxwell frost in the rose garden there, addressing the nation, addressing other lawmakers as well, along with victims of gun violence as well, and family members of the victims of gun violence. and talking about the establishment of the white house office of gun violence protection, he talked about the fact that there is a deadly and traumatic price for inaction, and you can see that in the numbers, really, when we look at some of the numbers of mass shootings happening in just the last year, 506. and listen to this number, just in the last year, 31,394 deaths caused by gun violence. let me say that again. 31,394 deaths caused by gun violence alone.

he talked about the repercussions of the psychiatric help that people need after having experienced gun violence in their communities. and the action of the safer communities act passed after the mass shooting in uvalde, texas, in june of 2022. the head of the department will be vice president kamala harris hence the reason she was there alongside the president as well, and started off these ceremonies in the rose garden. with that i want to go to white house correspondent kelly o'donnell who's standing by for us, as well as "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker to talk more about what we just heard. kelly, if you will, talk us through more of what we heard today and what you saw there in the rose garden. >> reporter: one of the things that could be strike to go americans and a way to relate in a new way is the president

compared in new office, the first of its kind ever at the white house on gun violence prevention to fema. we know we've lived through what fema does when a storm or disaster hits the community. the president is saying this office will have that kind of a function when gun violence strikes in a place, and we have seen it at grocery stores, places of worship, and all too often, too many schools. to be able to go in and provide support, help, and to help those affected recover from this. the office will also be looking for other executive actions that the federal government can take. the president has already done some of that in his time in office with things like the ghost gun kits, and having prohibitions on some of that. we know that the most effective way to do anything related to changing gun laws in america must go through congress or separately at the state level, and that has been politically untenable. the president also talked about his desire to, again, seek a federal ban on assault weapons,

something that did exist in the country when he was in the senate, and it had a sunset provision after ten years, and is no longer the law of the land and hasn't been for quite some time. that gives you a sense of some of the ways in which this office would try to function. part of what's happening in the rose garden and despite the cheerful background music that we often get at white house events, the president also acknowledged that people who are gathered here have lived through gun violence in their own families. the parents of victims, students who when they were in school were witnesses and survivors of these kinds of incidents and people who are putting a lot of their energy in a civic way to trying to bring these changes. it is a day where there's optimistic with the new office but the president acknowledged the sorrow that brings people here. that's a sense of how this beginnings in this new chapter for the white house with the first of its kind federal office on gun violence prevention. >> especially considering those numbers of people who have lost

their lives alone in the last year because of gun violence. peter baker, talk to me about the significance of the appointment to vice president kamala harris to the head of this office and if there's bipartisan support for the establishment of this office. >> well, there's very bipartisan support for very little in washington these days. it's hard to know at this point whether anyone will make an issue out of it. the president has the ability to structure his office as he chooses. this is not something congress will generally weigh in on. it sends a message, he's saying that the number one person below me will be paying attention. this is not just some, you know, bureaucratic person you don't know of, but somebody who is, in fact, an elected official, elected across the country, the only other one, other than himself. it says something about trying to build her up heading into the next election politically because she has been seen by some democrats as too low

profile, not advancing herself, and the ticket aggressively enough. she has won a lot of praise among democrats for her speaking out on abortion rights, and i think what the president is trying to do here, set her up on an issue that will like wise rally democrats next year when the campaign gets really going. >> peter baker, kelly, appreciate it. i want to bring in texas state roland gutierrez, the uvalde shooting was in his district. talk to your reaction of the establishment of this office and what you hope comes out of this. >> i want to say this is the most important issue of our time. it's bigger than any inflationary issue or economic issue. if you don't have your kid, there's nothing left. we obviously experienced what happened in uvalde, texas. i had to sue the government to

get access to the information and signed a nondisclosure agreement where i got a two ter terabyte, the size of your cell phone, children with no face, carnage you have never seen, the worst horror movie you have seen in your life. democrats and republicans across this country need to have a real conversation with themselves as to what's important. the president's steps are absolutely a continued step in the right direction. we have much work to do, but we have to get people like ted cruz and others to see the light of day on this thing and understand that this is peoples' lives, childrens' lives and we must do the right thing in this space. >> senator, you and i were in uvalde together, and i remember when the president was visiting robb elementary school, and he mentioned in his speech in the rose garden how people have said repeatedly to him, do something, do something, and i remember

being at robb elementary as he visited there, and people yelling at him, do something, do something, and now seeing him do something essentially, and the comparison of that oath he made and kelly, reminded us of that this office would at as fema. you remember how disorganized it was, not only the lead up to what happened at robb elementary but the aftermath of what took place at robb elementary, and how governor abbott promised to have psychiatric help for victims of this mass shooting, families of victims of this mass shooting, and how that came and that went. can you talk a little bit about the importance of dealing with the aftermath of something like this that affects a community so acutely? >> absolutely. here in texas, sadly, we have a governor like greg abbott who paid to uvalde, texas, gave a chunk of money to the local republican district attorney to

try to administer mental health. the fact is, there's so many people that had to go to the big city in san antonio to administer their own mental health, there's so many kids out there that still are affected. this isn't something that you take an aspirin, and it just goes away. the images, the horror, the town itself, it will be affected forever. certainly i've talked to senator murphy about this in the past. as to what's happened over in the sandy hook community. in uvalde, these parents that have become my friends, they will be acted for the rest of their lives. you don't just get over this. it is certainly something that you get through. but i have to impart on the public of the united states that i've seen hundreds of hours of this body cam footage, and i have seen what this ar-15 can do. we must have an assault weapons ban. these guns have no place in our

culture. >> and the president calling for that again. state senator rowland gutierrez, as always, it's a pleasure, and we're thankful for your voice on this. i want to get back to the news we brought you at the top of the hour. new jersey senator bob menendez, along with his wife and three businessmen, they have been indicted on bribery charges in new york. back with me, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and nbc news capitol hill correspondent, julie tsirkin, sorry for having to cut you off earlier. you know the drill. ken, bring us up to date on what's happening here, the indictments and also what we're looking at for an arraignment date for senator menendez here. >> this indictment reads like a movie script, and details a sprawling and brazen bribery conspiracy among senator menendez, his wife and three new jersey businessmen accused of paying money for official acts. senator menendez and codefendants will make their first appearance on wednesday at

10:30 a.m. in new york. they will fight the charges. the senator said in a statement, prosecutors are trying to criminalize the normal work of a legislature. in a possible preview of a defense under the constitution's speech and debate clause which makes members of congress immune from prosecution for legislative acts. the indictment says menendez used the power of his office to help the three men, with gold bars, exercise equipment, a convertible, and an air purifier. 2018, the senator menendez was reelected after a jury failed to convict him in a separate case. the fbi searched the senator's home and seized gold bars and nearly half a million dollars in cash, some with the finger prints of one of the bribe pairs. he corruptly used his leverage as chairman of the foreign relations community over billions of dollars of aid to egypt and did that to help a businessman get an exclusive contract with the egyptian

government in exchange for bribes. they say he sought to intervene in criminal cases of interest to two other new jersey businessmen who allegedly were paying him bribes. a lot of evidence here and a very serious case. >> ken dilanian, thank you. i know you got some more reporting to do, my friend, so i'm going to let you go. julie, if you will jump in here. i want to hear reactions from the capitol on the indictments today, and also the senator's plans. i know he's issued a statement. i read part of that statement earlier. he's the chair of the senate foreign relations committee as well. >> reporter: menendez is very defiant in his statement, vowing to fight these charges. you heard everything ken laid out. it's because of that, we believe according to a source that told nbc news that senator menendez will end up stepping down as chair of the foreign relations committee. we don't have anything official from menendez or majority leader schumer. we did hear from the top republican on that committee who of course serves with bob menendez, a spokesperson telling nbc that senator james rich

wants to know the plan as well with what is going to go on so they can continue their very important work in the foreign relations committee which is of course very powerful and privy to very sensitive information. menendez stepped down as chair of the committee before in 2015 during the separate indictment and investigation into him. he stepped down for about a period of three years before resuming that post again once he was cleared of all of those charges. we do anticipate something like that to follow here as this investigation plays out. as far as reaction goes, we didn't hear that much from democrats. we certainly also didn't hear from republicans. who we did expect to be a little bit louder on this, considering they were in the past as well. look, as far as reaction goes, we did hear from the nrfc, the campaign arm of the republicans who are urging for menendez to resign, urging for a competitor to replace him and fill his seat. a democratic campaign aid points out that that seat in new jersey has been comfortably held by democrats since 1978, they don't anticipate that will change in

light of this indictment, this news against menendez. we have seen him in sensitive situations. i saw him just the other day in a secure briefing room here in the capitol, getting briefed ahead of zelenskyy, the president of ukraine's visit. we saw him just two days ago chairing a foreign relations committee. he declined to speak then, he's certainly privy to sensitive information. despite this looming indictment yesterday was around everywhere we can expect that to continue at least for you! julie tsirkin for us, thank you. i appreciate you as well. i want to bring in now former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance to talk more about this. there's a lot here. joyce, you and i spoke offline a little bit earlier but we both kind of read through this indictment at this point, 39 pages of it, and a lot to get through. just kind of this overarching view of this is there's an overwhelming amount of evidence

down to finger prints of one of the codefendants found on the envelopes inside senator menendez's jackets with piles and piles of cash. >> i think that's right, yasmin, this is the speaking indictment. it charges three different conspiracies, a traditional bribery conspiracy won by an elected official to deprive constituents of his honest services, and then finally there's a hobbs act conspiracy that involves the use of your office to engage in this sort of extortive behavior. the evidence is very complete. the issue doj has faced in these cases in the past is a legal issue because the supreme court has significantly narrowed prosecutors' ability to go after public corruption in essence defining it through a series of cases that have reached the supreme court to exclusively be limited to bribe taking and that sort of behavior.

so that's what doj has charged in this case. they have limited their allegation to the taking of bribes in exchange for official action. >> so there's a couple of parts of this indictment that i want to read for you, one is this, menendez and nadine menendez met with hanna on or about may 6th, 2018, later that day, menendez sought from the state department nonpublic information of serving in cairo. although this was not classified, it was deemed highly sensitive because it could pose significant operational security concerns if disclosed to a foreign government or made public. without telling his professional staff, sfrc staff or the state department that he was doing so, menendez texted that sensitive, nonpublic, embassy information to his then girlfriend, nadine menendez, and it has the text

message. nadine menendez forwarding this to hanna who forwarded it to an egyptian government official. how difficult is it considering the charges listed in the indictment to prove that a bribe essentially was accepted for official action. >> sure. so the government does bear the burden of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in cases like this, and there are two different sorts of context here. one a bribe. one is a gratuity. a bribe is something that's exchanged for official action, very close to the time the events occur. there's also this notion of a gratuity and effort to curry favor with a public official, and the time line there can be a little bit more attenuated. the symptoms that that charge carries is much lighter. the government has options here in how it goes about proving the connection between the passage of money and the action that the defendants wanted here. >> joyce, then there's this,

menendez kaktsing a senior state prosecutor in the office of the new jersey attorney general who spfzed the prosecution of the new jersey defendant and the investigation involving the new jersey investigative subject, official number two, in an attempt through advice and pressure to cause official 2 to resolve these matters favorably to the new jersey defendant and the new jersey 20 investigative subject. official 2 considered robb menendez's actionsinappropriate and did not agree to intervene. i want to couple this, joyce, with some reporting that we had from back in 2015, i believe. 2014, excuse me. menendez made a telephone call described by some officials as quote unquote, inappropriate to a u.s. attorney, investigating one of his top fundraisers, according to multiple justice department sources. does this, in fact, establish a pattern of practice for senator menendez? >> so it's a very interesting question, yasmin, but certainly prosecutors here will be able to argue to the judge that they

ought to be able to inject evidence of earlier instances of related conduct particularly if there were conversations with senator menendez then discouraging him from doing it again. you know, one of the rules you live by in the justice department is you're not supposed to have conversations with senators or members of the house, precisely for this reason. there shouldn't be any effort to engage in undue influence, and so occasionally as a u.s. attorney, you will get someone who will catch you off guard and my practice in those cases was always to immediately call the appropriate person in main justice and say, can you please reach back out to this senator, and advise him that he really can't make phone calls like this to us, and the way those situations are handled by full disclosure and discouragement from revisiting that sort of thing. it is clearly inappropriate and approaches obstruction of justice for an elected official to try to intervene in a

criminal investigation. extremely serious conduct. >> joyce vance, as always, we're thankful. up next, the other big story on capitol hill because there's so much going on, the looming government shutdown, what a desperate kevin mccarthy is planning after hard liners in his own party once again rejected his spending plans. plus, the uaw strike, excuse me, is expanding, why union president shawn fain called for auto workers to strike at dozens more states. we're back in 60 seconds. state. we're back in 60 seconds try downy light in-wash freshness boosters. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes. finally, a light scent that lasts all day. downy light!

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has sent the house home for the weekend. i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, nbc news business and data reporter brian cheung and punch bowl cofounder, john bresnahan. mccarthy has a lot of losses to say the least. another vote, another round coming, talk us through it. >> reporter: fairly confident but important to point out, yasmin, that whatever the republicans end up doing, and there's no guarantee they'll be able to pass something, it's not ultimately what's going to be what solves this potential shutdown crisis. they're going to pass something or a series of some things that are largely over the top conservative that don't match with anything the democratically led senate is likely to pass or president biden would sign into law. kevin mccarthy is insistent he wants to do something with his house majority and without the help of democrats. this is what he told us earlier

today. >> we wanted to do individually rules, but we have mini bus rules. going to go in today. we have members working and hopefully we'll be able to move forward on tuesday to pass these bills. i still believe if you shut down, you need the time to fund the government while you pass the appropriate measures. >> reporter: does that mean you're going to try to push forward with the republican cr still? >> i would like to. you need to. >> reporter: the issue is the faction of the conservative republicans in the house of representatives are opposed to continuing resolutions. they're not going to vote for them under any circumstances. they're demanding that mccarthy push through each individual appropriations bill. the problem with that is there's not nearly enough time to reconcile that with what the senate wants to do and have it done before friday, so what mccarthy is asking is i'll let you take these votes, we'll go

through the process, but help me out and ultimately pass the continuing resolution. that may end up originating on the senate side, long story short, we are still barrelling towards a shutdown, and the possibility of it happening is still very much a reality come a week from today. >> john, i see you shaking your head there in agreement with what ryan just said. basically barrelling towards shutdown here, and there's just so much confusing stuff going on, right. you have the right wing of the republican party acting one way. i wanted to piecemeal this thing through as we heard from your reporting with matt gaetz. then you've got more moderate republicans disagreeing with what mccarthy is doing. i want to play that sound for you if we can and then we'll talk on the other side. >> there needs to be a realization that you're not going to get everything you want, and just throwing a temper tantrum and stomping your feet frankly not only is it wrong, it's just pathetic.

>> we are completely dysfunctional. >> this would be a meaningless shutdown. >> now there's talk of a discharge petition as well. are we shutting down? is that what it's looking like? >> yeah, i think there's going to be a shutdown. i think the question right now is how long it's going to last. you know, the shutdown technically would start sunday morning. in the past, omb is kind of the office of management and budget, the executive branch agency that handles these kind of winked at weekend shutdowns, they're not real shut downs. maybe we get an extra day. i don't see right now how they avoid a shutdown. the question is it a couple of days, will it go on for weeks, the 2016 shutdown that went on 16 days, or the 2018, 2019

partial shutdown that went on 30 days. that's the issue here. mike lawler was one of them from new york, a freshman. they are very frustrated. he's a moderate, will vote with democrats if it comes to that. there's a maneuver, the discharge petition, if you can get 218 members on anything, you can control the floor. that still is a real, it's going to take time. there's no way they can use that to block a shut down. there's going to be a shutdown, it's a question of how long. >> with that, i go to brian cheung, if we're looking at a government shutdown, we don't know how long this is going to last. if you're watching marngts today at the close in a couple of minutes, how are they looking with a potential government shut down looming? we don't necessarily know yet. i'm sure things are shaky, and what does that look like in general, a government shutdown? >> the market impact is

historically in the last government shutdowns that john referenced, the markets traded up, and then we heard from jay powell earlier this week, there doesn't tend to be a huge macroeconomic impact of the shutdowns that we have seen so far in history. it would be impacted for the household that have federal workers that coe furloughed without pay. the 2019 utdown, 3,000 employees were furloughed in the 2013 shutdown. it was over 800,000 because that was more of a full shut down whereas the 2018, 2019, was a partial shutdown. people that don't have family members working until the federal government will be impacted. trying to get your passport renewed, nonessential services could be cut off. all threats we'll be watching. >> thank you, guys, as well. we're going to head back to the white house, everybody. if you are just joining us, moments ago, the president, the vice president as well, announcing the establishment of

the white house's office of gun violence prevention. i want to bring in now someone who was there, fred gutenberg, his daughter jamie was killed in the marjorie stoneman douglas school shooting, the coauthor of "american carnage, shattering the myths of gun violence," it is a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you. >> give me your reaction to being in the rose garden, the establishment of the this office. >> it's always surreal to hear my daughter's name mentioned, which it was today by congressman maxwell frost, and the only reason that i'm here is because my daughter is not. because she was murdered in school. and to be here today i actually had a chance to quickly talk to the president at the very end. and i reminded him how one month after jamie was killed, he gave me advice that sent me on a mission. i reminded him about how he when

he ran for the presidency, he promised me this day would come, and here we are today. you know, yasmin, today is a good day. today is a day where the hard work of so many to pull together all the resources that are available to reduce gun violence really comes to fruition. this administration, president biden, vice president harris, their commitment to stopping the next one is something they am truly grateful for and that every american should be really really paying attention to. somewhere some parent won't know the pain that i know because of what happened here today. >> i'm happy to hear that today is a good day, considering all that you have been through in your life, certainly a high bar to say something like that. when you talked to the president, fred, and you hear

that he wants a ban on assault weapons, and you see the efforts that he is going to to try and get this epidemic under control, and you think about the loss of jamie, and all that you have to deal with, as you live every day without her, does it frustrate you thinking, though, what's on the other side and knowing how much of an up hill battle this is, and how many people are not on board with what the president has in mind? lawmakers in washington. >> it doesn't frustrate me. it makes me more determined because what's actually on the other side is the more than 80% of america who wants this done. >> yeah. >> is the more than 80% of america who constantly -- that's gun owners, nongun owners, democrats, republicans and independents who say they want this done. so what i want is to have people vote in the '24 election based upon the fact that they want this done. i'm not frustrated. i'm determined. the president said it in his speech today, those who don't

get on board with doing something, we need to replace them. that's what we're going to do. >> what should be the number one priority of this office, fred? >> you know, the president, actually, i think laid it out perfectly, which is to bring together all the resources of the federal government in a coordinated way to combat gun violence in america. and i think when that happens and we have the resources and we have the research and we have the manpower to really tackle all the causes of gun violence, you will finally start to see the gun violence death rate then, that curve then. i think the other thing that the president said, and i was so thrilled to hear him talk about it was that this office will be tasked with helping communities affected by gun violence. i think there's an effort in this country sometimes to move on from communities affected by gun violence. and this office will make sure that doesn't happen. and that these communities will have the resources that they need and that they won't be

forgotten. everything about this plan today works. it's important. it will save lives, and i'm truly thankful that we are having the chance to finally go forward with it. >> fred gutenberg, we're thankful for you. there's a lot of folks that want to talk to you today, and a very big day for you and your family and other victims of gun violence. thank you for taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you. coming up, everybody, heading into the second week of the uaw strike. more auto workers walked off the job today at gm and stellantis plants. why ford facilities were spared this time around. we'll be right back. e around we'll be right back. . in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles?

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that ford is leading the pack, if you will. if you look at this as a horse race, then that's where things stand, that ford is out in front of the other two companies because the union warned without substantial project and the

company -- or and the union, that there would be an expansion of the strike. so that tells us where things stand, if you will. ford appears to be in first place of the three companies, just in terms of bringing offers to the union that it likes the most. so that's what we know on the negotiation front. now the impact of this expanded strike. we're looking at parts distribution facilities across the country. this is 28 facilities across the states. if you need a repair and you are trying to get a repair from your dealer, depending on the part, it could get more complicated. i just spoke with a dealer who represents someone who represents multiple dealerships in the midwest, that's going to

hit consumers at home. >> congressman, thank you for joining us on this. we have this expanded strike amidst all that's happening. it's not looking like that is wrapping up today, obviously. you've got over 2,000 folks that have lost their job in light of this strike. what is your reaction to how things stand and when we could see some resolution of folks to get back to work with the things in place they want. >> they'll stay out until they can get them a contract that gets them a fair, decent

compensation for the incredible, productive work they do. the company's profitability is dependant on the productivity of these workers, and they know it. and so they'll stay out until they get a contract that is a reflection of the value that they bring. it's encouraging to hear the president of the uaw say there's been some progress with ford. but this is a fundamental struggle. it's one i support. i stand with the workers. i was out there with them on the peck it line today. it's important to the workers for sure, but it's also important to everybody in my community. we all will benefit, if those workers have a better wage, something that gives them a chance to raise their families in the middle class. that sets the standard for everybody. and that will help everybody. >> let me ask you about tim scott. the uaw's presidentiled a complaint against senator tim

scott for his remarks praising president reagan's firing of federal workers in the '80s. scott's campaign then called the uaw corrupt. what are your thoughts on what senator scott said, and what message does this send to union workers and laborrers? >> well, senator scott, first of all, needs to read a little bit of history and study his facts. number one, what he suggests that a private company should simply be able to fire workers who go on strike, that was the law back in the 1920s. that's the way it worked before the labor movement took root in this country and built the middle class. so he needs to first of all understand a little bit of american history and the economics of it. does he really want the return to the golden age when companies could simply fire people for even whispering any dissent?

that's what it sounds like he would support. really dangerous. but further, when president reagan fired the air traffic controllers, they were federal employees. now, i disagree with what president reagan did. >> right. >> but senator tim scott, a united states senator, if he thinks that somehow he can suggest or empower a private company to fire workers because they're on strike, that demonstrates a very minimal understanding of how labor rights work in this country. and it's not good. i was really shocked by what he said. he doesn't really have much of a defense. maybe he should have been in the senate in 1923, but not in 2023. >> while i have you, sir, real quick. we've been talking about potential government shutdown moving just a couple of days to go before the deadline here. your colleague told me on the

air yesterday, this government is going to shut down. do you agree? >> it sure looks like it. because kevin mccarthy is negotiating inside the republican party with a group of people who will never support the ultimate resolution of this budget standoff. they're not going to be in favor of what we actually end up doing to keep the government open. so this is really kevin mccarthy's internal republican conference politics, meaning more important to him than preventing the pain, the economic pain that a government shutdown will have on families across america. it's not a victimless crime. he's going to hurt people, and he's doing it out of his own vanity. he wants the title of speaker but not do the job of speaker. >> thank you so much, sir. appreciate it. back in new york, everybody. the former president, donald trump, fighting to throw his

sift fraud case out of court ten days before it goes to trial. lawyers for trump arguing the attorney general has no valid authority to sue him or his organization. james, on the other hand, saying there is so much evidence stacked against trump and his co-defendants that the judge should find them libel for fraud before the jury even starts hearing evidence. joining us now, msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben to talk more about this. so essentially, this is about trump overstating his financial worth. break down for us how he's exactly being accused of that. >> he's accused of going year by year, in each of his statements of financial condition between 2011 and 2021, overstating the value of his realate portfolio. everything from government courses to his own apartment at trump tower and cog that in way that defrauds rers banks and other lenders along the way. the attorney general's office has said thatas unjustly

enriched himself by overinflating his asss by over $100 million. and they are seeking at least $250 million in damages, as well as orders that would ban trump and his sons from serving as officers or director in new york of any company, much less the ones they serve in now. >> any chance this judge will rule from the bench. is this an overreach for james to ask the judge to rule from bench. >> he said he will make a decision by tuesday, september 26th, this coming tuesda anticipation of a trial that's scheduled to begin on october 2nd. >> trump's lawyers saying james has failed to demonstrated even theoretical harm. any validity? >> i don't think so. you don't see a lot of complaints from some of the institutions trump worked with. some of those people may be complicit and could have had

their own civil exposure here. but the other part of it is, their argument is it doesn't matter if trump's lenders aren't complaining, but what matters is he has distorted the marketplace, and that is a harm to the general public in new york. >> thank you. that does it for me, everybody. i'll see you right back here tomorrow, sunday, as well. i'm going to keep going. 2:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. for now, "deadline: white house" starts. ♪ ♪ hi there, everyone. happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. if there is such a thing as a breaking point, a last straw to break the camel's back, we must be pretty darn close. because how many more times can the american people be expected to go through this with supreme court justice clarenc