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is not what our country needs right now and it could hurt our veterans and law enforcement and seniors and children with that government shutdown. so, we need a solution. >> well, it's gonna be hard to find that solution when you send everybody home for the weekend, instead of sticking around, to, you know, do the work that you are elected to do, and that you get paid for with our tax dollars, speaker mccarthy. i will talk to congressman maxwell frost about that. as well as a major development from the white house today on gun violence. and later, howard stern has conservatives clutching by claiming himself slope, and calling out a famous former friend for sexist remarks. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> but we begin tonight with the right-wing takeover of the u.s. supreme court, thanks to propublica, supreme court members have drawn fresh scrutiny for some ethical lapses, after the non profit media organization revealed how justices samuel alito and

clarence thomas accepted lavish trips from republican billionaires that they failed to disclose. propublica reported, for example, that justice alito went on vacation with a billionaire republican donor, and failed to recuse himself from multiple cases involving that donor. and of course, there's all the goodies, billionaire harlan crow, bestowed upon justice thomas, from johns to his home with a private garden of eden, to buying clarence thomas house and making her his standup, while paying for his sons education. these friends of the court, we're talking folks with luxury yachts and billions at their disposal. and when you unpack the politics of being super rich and powerful in america, it is hard not to think about libertarian billionaire charles and david koch. david died in 2019 and his brother charles, chairman and ceo of coke industries, is worth 55 billion dollars, according to forbes. the coke network is a colossal sprawling political machine

that has transformed american politics, helping to propel the tea party takeover during the obama years, and fight any form of climate change legislation that would diminish the demand for the familiar product, oil. one of their lasting legacies is turning climate change denial into mainstream republican position. the network is sitting on a fortune backed by a deep pocketed donor who give at least $100,000 to attend secretive koch gatherings, such as the one in the coachella valley in california, where donors gather with powerful public officials. one here, for propublica, the event was at the renaissance esmeralda resort and spa, featuring nfl hall of famer deion sanders who was working with koch on an anti poverty program in dallas. also, on the events agenda, a new initiative focused on getting conservatives on to the supreme court and the federal bench. of course, there's nothing illegal about an nfl star, a

private citizen, giving a talk to the koch family. but that isn't where the story ends. you think about the supreme court scandal, and how conservative supreme court justices have sold access to the highest court in the land, one missing component has been the koch brothers, that is until now. because who benefit the most from a supreme court justice pro wealth, pro oligarch decisions? the koch brothers, of course, hands down. the propublica piece said that thomas has attended at least two koch brothers donor summits. it also exposed clarence thomas's personal relationships with the kochs. according to the peace, their relationship developed over years during trips to the bohemian grove, the all-man retreat where 500-dollar wine flows, along with clam chowder and chilly -- tucked inside the sonoma valley, the sonoma county redwoods,

according to propublica, a member or his guest can wander from the groves shooting range to a lecture by blackwater founder erik prince, or mosey from a mint julep party to a performance by the symphony orchestra. more than one attendee recalled walking outside in the morning to find a former cabinet secretary who fell asleep, drunk in the grass. you see this photo? that's clarence thomas on the left next to ken burns and charles koch in their man-cave, of sorts. thomas went there for two decades where he stayed in a small camp with harlan crow and the kochs, according to records and people have spent time with him there. thomas attending koch donor summits, a years-long personal relationship, all of this puts thomas in the extraordinary and damning position of having helped a political network that has brought multiple cases before the supreme court, which is what this allyship and dark

money scheme boils down to. almost 40 years ago, the case, chevron versus natural resources defense council, directed courts to defer to reasonable federal agency interpretations of ambiguous statutes. it became one of the supreme court's most cited decisions, when that legal scholars lumped in with brown versus board of education, roe v. wade, in terms of significance. the koch network has challenged chevron in the courts. and now, in a case the supreme court will hear this coming term, a landmark pillar of scotus history could be reversed, putting major health, safety, and environmental protections at risk. another rare and curious development about the case is that in 2005, glanced thomas wrote the majority opinion in the case. but then in 2020, he renounced his own earlier decision writing that he determined that the doctors unconstitutional after all, and who would benefit the most from a reversal of chevron?

the koch network of course. it's really the nail in the coffin, isn't it? the story of the supreme court justice whose corruption is so thorough, so complete that he sold america out to the highest oil bitter. i'm joined now by jesse eisinger, propublica senior editor. and elie mystal, justice correspondent for the nation. great reporting, once again, by propublica, i want to ask you about just how long this relationship with the kochs has lasted, and how beneficial it seems to have been in the courts for the kochs? >> -- >> that is to you jessie? >> i think he's muted -- >> sorry, i apologize. [laughter] thanks for the kind words about our reporting. that relationship has lasted for decades now. it does seem to have started

through harlan crow, who's been a very close friend of clarence thomas's, and took him to the grove initially. the thing that's really notable about this is that these relationships happened after thomas came to the court. so, there weren't friendships that he had from growing up. of course, he grew up poor. harlan crow did not. they kochs did not. and he did not go to any college. these were all friendships that he says are, you know, he's called harlan crow a close friend. but what developed after he became a supreme court justice. and we think that's extraordinarily notable. >> it is. you know, elie, this story has everything. it has leonard leo. it's got violent quote, the guy with a garden of evil. of course, it's got the kochs, missing up until now. and of course it's got ginni thomas, of course it's got hurt. let me read a piece of this. during one of these events, the

group announced new initiatives focused on getting conservatives off the supreme court, the federal bench. the network which had already given millions of lls to leonard leo's federalist society plan to mobilize activists to buy advertisement to push senators to vote f president donald trump's judicial nominees. they appointed a former employee of ginni thomas, the justice wife, to lead the effort. it's got everything, elie, and at this point, how do we conclude that the supreme court is anything other than a bought and paid for trifle of the superrich, or at least six of them, or some of them. >>, look i've been waiting for the koch to show up because anytime a public official goes out for auction in this country, the koch brothers have a front row seat. like, you know they're gonna get involved in this story eventually. but here's the thing, joy. propublica can keep dropping the peoples elbow on clarence thomas until the house comes home. one other regulatory agencies? when's congress? when is the doj going to move on this man, right?

do the koch brothers have to play clarence thomas in gold bars? is that what it takes to get the justice department's reaction, if so, i'm sure we can find some gold bars or some platinum dockets that thomas has as well. but whatever it's gonna take, at some point, the doj and congress need to investigate this man and bring him to heal, because it's never gonna stop, all right? that's the thing that i think this propublica reporting has shown. it's not like thomas is slowing down on the graft. he's gonna keep going until somebody, regulatorily, stops him. >> and it's an excellent point. jesse eisinger, has there been any contact from the doj, members of congress, and the of the committees contacted propublica about your report? >> well, there have been no public and nonsense of any doj investigation. all we've really seen is that democrats responding in congress and it's been pretty

anemic. and it' s been prett they asked for harlan crow to come testify. they asked for leonard leo to come and testify. both of them have declined. and they are in some kind of process of attempting to get them to come. and of course, john roberts declined to come and testify about implementing a code of conduct or an ethics rules for supreme court justices, now, as we point out in the story, they are not required to adhere to any code of conduct. the code of conduct only applies to lower court judges. and the supreme court justices make up the rules by themselves, where they decide for themselves what's appropriate and what isn't. so, you know, what i think clarence thomas is in effect saying, what is it about lifetime appointment that you guys don't understand because, you know, i think he's acting. he doesn't respond to our

reporting. he doesn't respond to our questions. he's made one statement this year. and so, you know, he is acting with impunity. and there is no reason to think he has anything but impunity. >> or if he was still invited to the -- the koc in this week. let read you what leonard leo had s. justice thomas attends events all over the country. as to all the justices, and i was privileged t join him. justice thomas has been a dea friend, and i would never pass an opportunity to help him share, in his own words, his lifetime accomplishment and judicial philosophy with new audiences, all the necessary due diligence was performed to ensure the justice attendance at the events was compli let's talk about the koch industries, jesse. their opposition is to, they want to be taxed, they oppose climate change legislation, they oppos affordable care act. they suprt criminal justice reform. they support anolical candidates. ey support antiabortion

political candidates and judges. they want women to be forced to give birth, and of course, they oppose critical race theory. is there any reporting about what was discussed at these events when turned storms appeared and made his presence felt by his benefactors? >> yeah, we were very clear we don't know what thomas was talking about, certainly not talking -- we didn't know it was talking about in any personal conversation. he did give some remarks and the 2018 dinner. that was an intimate dinner for the elite group of koch network donors. he has mentioned chevron. he talked about chevron, which you referred to earlier, and said that he thought alito had been coming around to his position, which as you astutely noted, he had involved, so, scalia and thomas had regarded difference from regulators as

the appropriate ruling. they supported chevron initially. chevron was a kind of reagan era ruling, when the regulators were softer. as regulators have discovered the power of regulation, or realize that regulators could actually develop spines, they turned against regulation. the kochs did. and clarence thomas did in this flip-flop. we don't know what he was speaking about, specifically. but they were about these issues. >> are you shocked as i, am elie, that it's alito that has flipped? because the other men, why not? i want you to comment on that. but also on the chevron case itself and what it would mean to have it overturned? because there's a case coming up that could gut it or overturn it? >> you are right to bring this up. i want people to think about not what thomas was talking about, koch brothers in 2018. but what was clarence thomas talking about the summer. again, it's not like the graph has stopped. when the koch brothers called

him up the, somewhat where they talking about? and one of them, as the chevron case that you brought up, the chevron case is what allows regulation, regulatory agencies like the s.e.c., the consumer of fairness bureau, the environmental protection agency. it's what allows those agencies to regulate, right? because what they do is take loss of congress, and then apply them through the powers of the executive branch. now, there's certain justices, neil gorsuch being the top list among them, who don't think that executive state, the administrative state as we call, it should exist at all. and that's the view that clarence thomas has evolved into, right? so there is that case coming up. there's another case, joy, coming up about the 16th amendment and the right to have a federal income tax that is meant to preemptively kill the wealth tax. and i promise you, i promise you, when the kochs or harlan crow, or any of these which republican donors got clarence thomas on the phone and his rv the summer, what they were talking about was the 16th amendment case so that they can

preemptively kill the wealth tax before it even has a chance to pass. so, this is very much, people need to understand, this is very much a life issue. we're not talking about history. we are talking about our future and how that future has already been paid for, how they've already put a down payment on what rulings we are supposed to get over the next two, three, four, five years. >> more oil, out of the earth to increase climate change, and less and less, if any taxes on the superrich. yet they've bought themselves a wonderful future for themselves. the rest of us, we are out of luck. jesse eisenberger, great job. my friend, always appreciate having you on. coming up next on the readout. steve mccarthy and his caucus are taking a look at the shutdown very seriously. -- how they took the entire weekend off to tend fundraising barbecues back home. the reidout continues after this. s afte this on and last for weeks.

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as a country hurdles towards a potential government shutdown. house speaker kevin mccarthy and his republican conference have gone a wall. right now, congress is home for the long holiday weekend, and they won't be back in session until tuesday. which means it will only have four working days to pass anything, and then get whatever what that may be through the senate and signed by the president. as the maga wing of the caucus essentially holds a country hostage and slashes funding for the justice department, because trump wants them to, and slash money for domestic programs, it's important to, know that if the government does shut down, a lot of regular folks will suffer. the washington post points out that millions of federal employees with active -- will stop receiving paychecks. but many will be forced to work anyway. the most pivotal federal aid programs, including those assisting the victims assisting the victimhe ddly wildfire victims in maui. older americans mayot be able

to obtain new medicare cards, or address other issues with their benefits. and, if it were to persistong enough, the government may not be able to provide some poor families with childcare, nutrition assistance, housing vouchers and college financial aid. joining me now is florida democratic congressman, maxwell frost. congressman, thank you so much for being here. you are the perfect person to talk about this today. you are a young guy, who was recently in the real world, you know, struggling with everyone else here age. what are you making of the fact that congress, who will still continue to get paid, because, statutorily they have to, but even their aides won't. a lot of them won't get paid. the fact that kevin mccarthy has sent you all home. >> well i think it shows exactly how kevin mccarthy's governing. look, at the beginning of the year, when i first got into congress, we had a few days where -- what i told everyone, what i'll

say now, is are those days are a microcosm of what's going on for the next two years in the united states congress. kevin mccarthy gave all of his power to the far right wing extreme, marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, branch of his party. and now, he cannot move. he cannot do anything, because he is the weakest speaker in the history of our country. because he can't do anything, he had to send us home for the weekend. when coming, up in just about a, week this government will shut down. it will be a mccarthy shut down, because he has positioned himself to be the weakest speaker we've ever seen. and so there's a lot of work to do. i do believe the government will shut down, unfortunately, it is because of kevin mccarthy. >> you know, it's interesting that you mentioned matt gaetz. people [inaudible] 's matt gaetz running for governor in the state of florida? isn't that why he's doing this? so he can have commercials to run on fox for governor? >> of course. i mean, in a few months when we look back at fundraising, we'll

see that the two top fund raising points for gaetz will be the beginning of the year, when he completely made a show of the speaker's race, and, now when he's making another show. unfortunately, a lot of people use the business of congress to up their profile, to become more popular, and to raise money. and people who will be on the receiving end of, that is to the detriment of the american people. it's really unfortunate. but it's not just matt gaetz. he has a group that is stating with him. the speaker has limited amount of options. what he should do is come to democrats, and see if he can cut a deal. but the problem with that is that matt gaetz will then file a motion to vacate. and he may lose his job. so what's going on is we have a speaker who's not working day-to-day for the american people. he is working day today to just try and get, just to keep his job. that's no way that you can govern. >> i should know for our audience, back in 2019, the government shutdown, in january 2019, he literally said, congress should not be dismissed, they should not go home for a three day weekend,

they should stay here and get the job done. i want to talk about someone who's getting something done. i want to talk about a soundbite. you haven't looked down yet, let's play a little of where you were. do we have it? oh, we may not have it. this is elementary for my wonderful director. >> everyone should sit except mom and dad. i want everyone to see the parents of this proud young man. [applause] you did a heck of a job. >> i don't know if people can see you standing up next to president biden, as he announced this brand-new federal office designed for gun violence prevention. tell me what that meant to you. because we first met you as someone who's an advocate for march for our lives, and for preventing your generation, and those younger that you, from suffering from gun violence. what does that mean to you and

your parents, in this new administrative office, what does that mean to you? >> it means the world. look, i've been working on this since before i got to congress, and even before that. the first bill i filed when i got to congress was the gun violence prevention office act of 2023. what it does is simple, create a federal office of gun violence prevention. because believe it or not, until today, we did not have one. and two things, number one, i knew it would be very difficult to pass this in the current congress. and so the second goal was to provide a framework for the administration to do it themselves. because they have the power to do it. today president biden announced historically, and i had the honor of being right by him, and getting to speak there at the white house, that office will become a reality. because of the work of activists, organizers, because of the bill that i filed. when i file that bill, very quickly, we had over 80 co-sponsor spanning the spectrum, progressive, moderate,

democratic party. senator chris murphy introduced it into the senate. and today it is a reality. this is a good lesson in the fact that, when you're the minority, especially as a freshman, the ability to impact big change is sometimes difficult. you have to be creative, you have to strategize, and figure out how do we use the power we do have. part of the power that we have is in the administration. so this office is going to be great, working on the daily problem, working for daily solutions. it is going to save lives. >> and i'm going to know for our audience, that vice president kamala harris will be heading as an administrative leader of it. so the very highest levels of the administration, they are putting real teeth behind -- and you young man, i'm sure your pants are very proud of you. you have a big wind. congratulations. congressman maxwell frost of florida. so there is something good coming out of florida. very good, we appreciate you. coming up next, he woke up like this. howard stern broke lanes he's proud to be woke.

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florida governor ron desantis and others on the far, far right, the war on woke has continue to reach new obscene and ridiculous heights. take for example their ongoing bloodlust ban books across the

country. just last, week a texas middle school teacher was fired after assigning her students to read a graphic novel adaptation of diy of and frank. yes. the 12-year-old holocaust victims. apparently included passages frank wrote at the time about female and male genitalia, and her possible traction to women. and then you have a republican candidate for missouri governor, state senator bill idol, who put on a demonstration of burning a stack of empty cardboard boxes. what he called, the woke liberal agenda, using an actual flamethrowers. he then vowed, if he was elected, he do the same to what he refers to as woke pornographic books on the front lawn, or that he do so on the front lawn of the governor's mansion if someone tried to bring him into missouri schools. libraries are also a top target for the anti-woke mob. according to the american library association, book bans, an attempt advances here, they continue to hit record highs. with a 20% jump in the number of unique titles involved. those challenges are equally

divided between school and public libraries. in response all of this absurd anti-woke agenda from the right, leave it to shock jock howard stern to give blood truth after he was called out for being woke. >> by the way, i kindof te that as a compliment, that i'm woke. i'll tell you how i feel about it. me the opposite of woke, is being asleep. and if woke mecan't get behind trump, which is what i think it means or that i support people who want to be transgender, or i'm for the vaccine, well dude, call me woke as you [bleep] want. i'm not for stupidity. >> here here. i'm joined by -- public at cc and why. and kim whaley, comedian and actress. thank you both for being here. kim, you are new to the program. i'm gonna let you go first. our students in the

entertainment world. what do you think of his answer on woke and all the book burning flame throwing? >> absolutely, howard stern, i love him for saying that. if that what it takes to be woke, i'm so mad that they're burning books because they're trying to hide what they think is inappropriate. they need to go ahead and take that flames hour and burn all of the dirty magazines under their bed that all those men have. hello. that their children can go and find. are we serious? just because you burn the books, the same books you burn in missouri, you can find in new york. you can find it on the internet. you cannot erase history or books. i was so mad about that. because children this day and age are already on the internet. they are already seeking and finding what they want to find. and especially in a diary, when you're talking about and frank. any teenager, that is what it diary is for, its first secrets, that's what they write for. so everyone just needs to calm down. i was a teacher. i understand.

>> absolutely. christina, the irony is, in order to burn the books, they had to buy them first. so the author already got the money. they're burning their own money, which. is weird. and then the idea is that used to say, what we just don't want these books in schools. now they're going after libraries to. i'll note, 40% of book bans are just in the state of florida. your thoughts? >> right, absolutely. we know how dangerous this is. this sets a historical precedent. we can walk through parts of berlin, we know this happened. and so many republicans are doing this to distract and deflect from the fact that they're voting against peoples health care and voting against goods and services that communities need and deserve. it is a deflection, but it is also really serious and insidious way that they're trying to take away knowledge from, not just their populace, but americans writ large and this is why the fight continues. it's not just in one particular state, not just in schools, but they keep expanding their reach. and it seems also there in the far right fringes of the party,

and they're becoming more and more mainstream by the day. >> let's talk about the far-right fridges. it hasn't helped that ron desantis's platform, 40% of the book bans being in a state. let's talk about another thing they're trying to ban, women having bodily autonomy. i want to play you all to really powerful ads against such outrageous against women in america. >> i was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse. i was 12. anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and incest could never understand what it's like to stand in my shoes. this is to you daniel cameron, to tell a 12 year old girl she must have the baby of her stepfather who raped her is unthinkable. i'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. daniel cameron would give us none. >> i can't believe this. my daughter was raped, and you're not going to do anything? >> i'm sorry. it'll put us all in prison if

we do the receipt procedure. >> he is right. i'm your republican congressman. we've banned abortion. no exceptions. >> she's just 12 years old. i'm not letting you destroy her life. >> i won the last election. so it's my decision. i'm just going to watch your daughter, and make sure she doesn't do anything illegal. >> kim whitley, your professional communicator, what do you think of those ads as public communication? >> i love them. i wish there were more. because it really, you know, when you do shock just like in standup comedy, when you shocked people, and you throw it in their face, they are going to listen. they are going to -- those that should be everywhere. they should pop up on peoples phones. especially in these cities that these politicians think that they can control women, and tell us what to do with our bodies. i'll be honest with you, i have a different ad, i had to say this, but i have an add --

it takes to make a baby. i have ads on man's phone constantly saying, you've had unprotected sex five times this week. we are going to come due to you like a puppy. it would change everything. [laughter] >> it would. very quickly. very quickly. i don't think we can really go on from there. so i'm gonna switch topics really quickly. i'm gonna retain that in my mind for the rest of the night though. christina, i want to talk about bob and mendes. the senator from new jersey who apparently had gold bars, and $500,000 in cash stashed in his house. he's now being indicted by the same justice department who republicans claim are weaponizing the government against republicans. there are those gold bars. i shall note, the lack of democrats attempting to shut down the justice department on his behalf, and the number, including -- calling on him to resign. very different from the way

republicans have reacted to trump's indictment. your thoughts? >> absolutely. the way democrats pulled one another accountable is very different from the way republicans hold one another accountable. even when it comes to sexual misconduct, when it comes to theft, or certain indictments. you know, we see democrats in lockstep saying, listen, if you want to rebuild the trust of the american people, we have to root people out. we can't stand to have these people in our party, or us our representatives. republicans on the other hand, as we've seen time and time again, not only get behind the person who's been either indicted or accused of some really insidious crimes, but they double down and triple down. the fact that we have the vast majority of the republican party supporting 91 time, you know, however many times on one tried -- >> 91 calls. >> 91 counts of indictments across four states, and they're doubling down in support. you know, this is just the president. to say nothing of governor, senators, and so many elected officials across the country.

>> i think it's actually 92. christina and cam are sitting around to answer very important questions later in the show. meanwhile, pennsylvania governor bob shapiro had a very big victory for democracy this week. automatic voter registration announcement. here's a question, did he win the week? but first, i spoke with michael harriet in this fascinating new book. so far, it has not been banned in florida, at least not yet. the conversation is next. conversation is next i want to keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. learn more at getrealaboutdiabetes.com oh, booking.com

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america where black history is under assault, but many republican leaders, from banning books written by black authors to eliminating african american study courses. even requiring schools in florida to teach that slavery had its benefits. the wright has made whitewashing history essential to its political agenda. well, a new book is flipping the script, and giving readers a real history lesson without the white sugar coating. -- harriet's black of history, corrects the record on many of them as we've been talking, it's looking at history through the experiences and perspectives of black americans. he writes, while it may sometimes seem abrasive, confrontational, and even dismissive, this book recognizes that the only difference between a bull burglar and a settler is who writes the police reports. in fact, the only difference between the black and first of history, and the way america's story is customarily recounted

is that whiteness is not the center of the universe around which everything else revolves. joining me now is michael harriot, host of -- and author of black of history. the un-whitewashed history, the un-whitewashed story. it's good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> i am shocked to find out that this is your first book. you are such a prolific writer. so congratulations. >> thank you. >> i know personally is a great book, because i read, it and it's great. what was the reason you wanted to write this? >> i thought that americans history needs to be, you know, a holistic view. and so much of what we read about, how we learn history, it's from a white perspective. it's really, like the people who were against critical race theory don't realize that red white is a race, in the way we've been learning history is through a racial lens all this time. from the daughters of the

confederacy, two moms for liberty. we've still been learning history through a white lens. i wanted to offer a more holistic, a different perspective, not just black history, but american history. >> american history. from the point of view of the indigenous, everything about american history is the reverse. they are the colonized. and from african americans as well. i mean, if you're a black person in 1776, you're probably like, i really hope the british when. i don't think that white americans generally understand. that is just not the way we're taught. >> even from that perspective, from, for indigenous people, black people that were here, during the revolutionary war for instance, it was two kinds of white people fighting. and you wanted to fight for the side that most affected your freedom and your well-being. and it didn't really matter. that's the kind of perspective that we don't usually learn history from. >> let me read some quotes from the book. here's the first quote. you said, like it's history, the nation's mirage. it's greatness is a figment of a collective white imagination that invasions of, bright shining star, when there is

only a dumpster fire. for a lot of i think white americans, and people who consider themselves to be patriotic, just the idea of that is so frightening, that i think for a lot of people they can confronted. do you think that this book will frighten people? or are you writing it for people who are black folks who just want the history, and who don't care if it scares people. >> i don't know how it can be frightening when you've learned the same concepts about white people. like you've used, like florida for instance, that this, black people came over here, they didn't know anything until the white people taught them. >> right. >> isn't that a dumpster fire? should that be frightening? can that be frightening that all of the, for instance, when you're the third grade, they're all native americans. they don't have a specific history, or different religion, or different tried, you know we have french people, dutch people, pilgrims with different religions, but all of the black people are just slaves, all the indigenous people are just indians, or native americans. and the, the shift in

perspective is important for white people to see how they see other people, and how they teach the history of other people. , an>> i want the read another quote that will brilliantly explain america. you say donald trump's america. here is how you read it. if one were to create a sentient being out of america's past and present, it would look like donald trump. it would hate anyone who's not white. it would believe itself to be an infallible stable genius. it would hide secrets. it would whitewash its pass. it would lie incessantly, rib brown babies with their mother's arms. criminalize muslims. mirror the intellect and sentiment of divestment already a people who fill the country from sea to shining sea. donald trump's america. to me, that is smart, because is he in mind, he is american too. he would agree with america, embodies what the country is supposed to be. you are right. >> he is right, when you think about it, right? you think about the cyclical nature of how this country

attacks any black progress, might be a black president, and all of a sudden, we have an orange white supremacists. he is the manifestation that we see from reconstruction, segregationists after the civil rights movement and then after the black power movement, this was another manifestation of that -- donald trump kind of embodies all of it for the current generation. >> i just came back from spain. i am glad i went in the order, because i think it is not just white americans who have to sort of bleaker view of history that prevents themselves as heroes. i think it's in europe to. that is where america came from, obviously. there is a resistance, even there, to acknowledge that the reason that you have these beautiful castles is the black people that you stole from. the reason why the gold is pristine and the churches, the cold came from the cold coasts, came from slavery, it did make

the british family rich, slavery. you think this is a global problem that we're feeling in america actually needs to be dealt with by europe as well? >> well, we always say, history is written by the victims, but we had to reimagine what victim is, because it's written by the burglars. the people got away with the burly to write the police reports. the idea that these people are proud of the pan european ethnic that case specifically was created after that realized, we can enslaved black people, it's something that we have to realize in the way we view the past of world history. like whiteness was not a thing until what people created the thing that let the english inherently smart stuff, and at the greeks inherited the smarts of that the roman state, and they called it whiteness because, at the time, they

weren't that successful at being ruled rulers or ruling people. they had to get to africa to get people to do things, how the buildings and how to create country from scratch. >> i love what you do because, first of all, you're a brilliant writer. i will tell you right now, you need to read this because the quality of writing is so incredible. he's one of the greatest writers of his generation. you're a brilliant man. it's also hilarious, to. you can cry, you my cry, but you laugh also. the book is called black f history. the and whitewashed story of america, we'll be watching right back. right back it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist

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play our favorite game. oh, yes. who won the week? back with me christina and kim. you are a veteran at this game, i'll ask you, who want the week? >> i will say, andre wagner won the week. he was a gordon parks fellow, and i went to his opening, his first new york show at the cordon parks foundation in pleasantville, new york. it was epic. he had a conversation with jamal shehbaz, another famous photographer. it was just really inspiring and showed all different facets of new york city from the past to present. just filled with artistic inspiration. >> i love that. that is the. love those pictures. kim whitley, it's your turn. >> that was cute. all right, who won the week? christina, that was cute. but my friend, los angeles mayor karen bass won the week for me, because she implemented an emergency virtual assistant program this week for everyone who did not pay their rent

through the pandemic, and the landlords. that is a win for me, and i want other mayors to follow suit. i am very excited about that. and sherry shepard, of course. >> love it, love it, love it, excellent, excellent. my winner of the week is the new great communicator of the united states senate. the senator cannot only be glynn and hit republicans where it hurts, here, he is doing that. >> oh, my god, really? oh, my gosh. it's devastating. oh, don't do it. >> they are just like, oh, my god, dogs and cats are living together. aren't there more important things that we should talk about rather than if i just like a slap? >> that, of course, is john fetterman addressing the impeachment of joe biden and also the dress code that he is violating with the khaki shorts. but he can also be deep. here is john fetterman talking about disabled folks and their

rights. here, he is. >> i had a stroke about 18 months ago, and i have lost my ability to fully process a language. because i live in a political environment, i was ridiculed and made fun of because i was not able to process things sometimes, say some things. i'm so sorry, i am sure that many of you have to go through this kind of thing. >> a new great communicator, senator john fetterman of pennsylvania. he won the week in my view. i want to thank my own wonderful panel, kim whitley -- you guys are great. please make sure that you catch kim whitley on her two funny mama's tour. she is hilarious. she will be in maryland on saturday, october 28th. i want tickets. and that is tonight's read out. thank you, ladies. at the bethesda theater. i will be there. see y'all later. all in with chris hayes starts right now. later. >> tonight, on all in. >> my office