for the duration of the shutdown. workers who are considered essential, like portable troll, agents and federal law enforcement, and air traffic controllers will continue working, but also will not be paid until congress results there a dispute. federal employees will be eligible to receive back pay, but an impending shift down puts many people that have banned. especially those living the paycheck to paycheck. or will work its contractors for the government. and by the way, they won't be eligible for back pay. this is what is at stake. if congress is unable to pass any sort of short term and long term resolution by next saturday. it's another stunning an embarrassing episode for the republican-led house. we're just returned from the six-day long recess 11 days ago. funding the government, this isn't an option. it's a basic power given to congress and the constitution. the appropriations. cause article, one section, that caused. seven reads, quote, no money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. appropriations made by law.

that clause gives congress what people markham and they referred to as the power of the purse. the power not held by other of the executive branches according to the constitution. a providing fence keeping the government running and functioning is one of the things of congress. and they can't even agree what to get started on getting that. right letting the government agree on that bill, let alone a strategy for the house is proven to be a challenge. signs that things were going well. indicate most apparent on thursday. when a motion to begin a debate on the defense funding bill fails for the second time this. week prompting republican leadership sent members, home congress now only has about five days left to take action because members are off tomorrow on monday for the jewish holiday of the occupier, the speaker of the house, told reporters yesterday that he believes that congress is making progress his congress is making progress in its negotiations, and it anticipates resumed voting on a

mini buses, as opposed to what we think of as an omnibus, a mini bottles which is a series of appropriations bills on tuesday, it's important to note that unlike other potential shutdowns, this is not a fight between republicans and democrats, this is a fight between republicans and far-right republicans and an insurgency led by members like florida congressman, matt gaetz, in a small group of hard-liners who are demanding deep budget cuts in controversial policies that have little to no chance of panic thing the senate. even before this congress get gavel into session, gaetz has been mccarthy's chief antagonist, tensions between the two men were evident way back and generate during the prolonged speakership election. gaetz has continued to turn up the heat on mccarthy this week, threatening to oust him and posting on the social media platform, x yesterday, quote we're gonna have to address his leadership after we get through this government funding crisis. but attention isn't just between gates mccarthy, not the frustration is within the house republican congress, are spilling out into the open with various members calling their

party dysfunctional and. calling the process painful. joining me now is a former republican congressman from pennsylvania, charlie dent, executive director and vice president of the congressional program at the aspen institute, he's a senior policy adviser for the and piper. a former republican governor of south carolina. he also previously served as a congressman ran for the presidency in 2020. upper of the book to rhodes diverge. the second chance for the republican party, and that nation ourselves. gentlemen, thank you for being with. us let start with you. governor because he wrote a book about the. as you wrote a book about the second. chance there are, i don't know, at least five and 20 republicans in the house who stems from where you came from. who are not interested in the stuff you were out about your book. they're not looking for ascension chance. they are not looking for a, compromise not looking for, deal and not looking to advance conservative principles. they just seem to be looking to stop the place from running for. now >> just seem to be looking it i.

i, mean my take on it is, if he is sort of a fraudulent show we peacock who just wants to be out and on the airwaves. the same with marjorie and fiona greene. i just do not get where they are coming from. i think there is legitimacy, and where we are going on a spending, on a war, a number of important issues. to your point, i have seen that some of these folks, i think generally, they want to show, and at some level this is not about a government shutdown. it is about -- >> charlie, as the governor, says and as dawn, i talked him about, no-go is a 33 trillion and increasing, that that is a legitimate discussion to be had. congress does have legitimate spaces for that discussion to be held. those debates to be, held and republicans to control congress right now.

what is happening here? don bacon called this dysfunctional, what is the problem here? the governor is just, saying some of them take mccarthy, out some just want to be peacocks and be on, tv but we are not having the legitimate discussion about 33 trillion dollars in, that we are actually having a different discussion. >> yes, i saw your conversation, he's absolutely, right at the duty to have this, conversation but also many of the conversations you want to have about the unsustainable fiscal trajectory of the, country needs to occur outside the appropriations process. it needs to be dealt with on the mandatory process, and it is totally separate. now i served on the appropriations, committee one reason i like serving on the appropriations committee as it was the only committee in congress that had to do something every year. and, fund the government. we call this who is in power. so what is happening is, you have 5 to 10 of these members who simply want to blow the place, up this is not a difficult issue to resolve. all you need is for kevin

mccarthy, joaquin jeffries, to get new votes stop them pass and -- then, the -- send it to the senate. the negotiations going on in the house among republicans, that is going nowhere. i mean even if they were to pass, that i don't think they, did let's not go to the senate, it is dead on arrival, the senate will probably sent back a bipartisan bill with over somebody, votes then the leadership in the, house that is -- if you take that, up passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, where they allow the government to shut down which would be enormously -- this is not, hard i have been through the -- left congress this, time 20, 18 and i mean this is so unnecessary. it does not address the -- in fact, it is going to -- government shutdown. so, this makes absolutely no sense with these characters, and hard-liners who are going into this. it makes no sense.

>> mark, let's talk about this. i want to ask you as i have discussed with you in the past, about the characterization of who these hard-liners are now, versus who you were when you were in congress. i don't even know how to describe it anymore. i don't know far traitors the right, word because i'm not sure this is an ideological issue. they are like -- they just have chaos swirling around them. but, tell me about, this because you were there at a time when you represented a group of people who wanted government, involvement lower government, regulation lower, taxes and they cut to the deficit. but i remember -- you were all nuts. >> again, we have added -- there is a conversation that needs to take place about 33 trillion dollar debt about bore weighing -- every dollar we are spending in washington, and real trouble

has -- i think they appointed the fact that -- a moderate these days has a proposal that would keep government going an exchange or 8% cut, the incumbent is if that is not good, enough it says we are in a crazy, world and yet, part of it is again, this weird time we are -- you have the lowest margin of control over -- this is the fifth smallest majority in all of congress. so, -- and guaranteed with that kind of majority, and we know that he is there. and, to be making the show they,

ordering the respondent in district oddly enough. and it is a measure of what degree and desperation is out there. and, how in the world trump came to, office where you are looking at. it people are very frustrated. they see this going on, now and they are shifting. >> and, the 220 republicans, they need to pass at least four people in the v8s people and some hakeem jeffries as you mention is going to be -- democratic leadership is talking to kevin mccarthy saying, well, if you need to get this, over with don bacon said the same thing we are going to need to do this with democrats. but, not if mccarthy meant to deal with involvement on the, think it is going to -- five and 20 republicans who are

going to call for the house speaker >> in my response to this, ali, so what? so what they are going to be unhappy? who cares. what you need to do, now is marginalized them. contributor with joaquin, jeffries passed the bill. that those other guys throw a tantrum. let them. they are isolated. they are going to house republican, members and we are worried about 5 to 20 -- and i think, you, know kevin mccarthy is in a very unenviable predicament. i would also say with respect, he has to stop appeasing those. do not post on the, rules do not count -- do not lower the threshold of the chair. these are all -- he needs to stop appeasing -- and a deal with the vast majority of the conference that doesn't want to govern. that is the right way to deal with this. and frankly, like i, said he can have his -- five minutes if they wanted to. it would be very easy.

senate to senate with over 300, votes that is what they can do right now. they have to be willing to stand up, and tell them we are to stick. they should stick it to them right now. >> it sounds reasonable, but tell me how that plays out? because the bottom line, is kevin mccarthy will not remain speaker if those people do that. so what does happen? who leads? how do the other people, the vast majority, plus the 20 or so who won like don bacon in districts that joe biden won as president, how do they retake power of the house republican conference? >> well, i do not know that the don bacon will, but what i do know to your point, the reason you are seeing the gymnastics that you are seeing played out with kevin mccarthy, is he knows the writing on the wall. if he has to go out and get a swath of democratic votes that pass basically a number of

compromises which is not a bad word, they are going to come after him and he may not survive the disco realm. this is all about maintaining power. this is why it is about. it is not about government, spending it is not about war, it is not about ukraine. it is about whether or not kevin earthy may lead to power. >> i think you guys are right. thank you for your analysis, former republican congressman -- of pennsylvania, and former republican governor mark sanford of south carolina, also a former republican congressman. still ahead on velshi today -- we are looking at one of the most seven books of the 27 jury, and the most widely disseminated account of not the occupation -- and president, biden sometimes know eight union joe says he is the most pro-union president in history, and he is going to try to prove it on tuesday. president biden will join the uaw line in michigan next week. just yesterday, the union announced it's expanding its strike was significantly. auto workers are not walked off the job, at 38 distribution

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specifically brew disputes that are playing out right now. last year alone, -- the department of labor just last month over 4 million workdays were lost to labor strikes. that is the most days lost to labor actions in more than two decades. it is no surprise that they are looking for favor with this political block. the republican party has -- the hostility towards both -- bargaining power. last year, 132 republicans in the house and sponsored a bill that would strengthen unions milan work is an all 50 states to walk out of paying fees or due to their unions that represent them. that bill failed in the democratic-controlled congress last year. but, senator rand paul reintroduced another version of it this year. in 2021, alstom kratz introduced the protecting the right to organize act, which

would make it easier for workers to unionize, 205 republicans voted against it. five republicans voted in favor, but the gmp -- me some inroads among the working class, particularly among low income wage voters. me and, me the grievance with miss directing the blame for very real economic inequities that people are feeling. a common republican refrain, for example, not on corporations, but on distractions like immigration, globalization, and the transition to a greener economy. there is a very good reason for that. many of those corporations do not want you to blame for low wages -- tony to republicans. those billionaire and corporate donors are typically anti union, because they think unions are their profits. the ongoing autoworkers strike in particular has become a flash point for republicans in the upcoming presidential election. yesterday, the united auto

workers union expended a strike to 38 auto plants across 20 states. the uaw members are demanding job security, better wages, much better wages, and improve benefits some of the big three automakers general motors, ford, and stellantis, what we used to know's fiat chrysler. presidential biden has put some self as the most pro-union president in history has backed their call, saying the big three should share their record profit with workers. minot now says he will go to michigan on tuesday, to join at the bit, line and stand in solidarity with uaw members. donald trump intends to deliver a prime plan speech to union workers in detroit, during which -- that is according to three sources close to the planning. ahead of his visit, ahead of this visit by the way, a trump campaign radio ad released on tuesday in detroit praised the autoworkers, and said the former president, has, quote always had their back and quote. now everybody thinks that is actually true.

the president of the united autoworkers issued a statement to cnn, saying in, quote in part, quote, every fiber of our union is being poured into fighting the billionaire class at an economy that in richest people like donald trump at the expense of workers. trump's record labor unions speaks for itself. during the trump administration, the national labor relations board came under republican control for the first time since 2007. it reversed several key obama era rulings that made it easier for smaller unions to organize and strengthen bargaining rights and workers, and protected workers against anti union measures. the trump-stacked conservative majority on the supreme court dealt several most unions in recent as well, and trump -- 's 2017 tax law heavily favored corporations over the american worker. the law eliminated the ability for unions to write off or deduct union dues. yet, the campaign continues to defend donald trump's record as pro worker. the working class is a for grabs this election season.

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you about the currently we're union movement in america, and they outsized impact it could have in the upcoming american presidential election. -- international brotherhood of

teamsters. she is also the director of teamsters motion picture division. lindsay is responsible for negotiating all contracts with major studios in terms of agreements and television and feature films. she's not a member of the writers guild of america, or the screen actors guild, or the united auto workers unions, all of which are on strike. but, you are famous amongst those groups, because you went out to the wga to support their strike. you believe that this is a movement of which you, all workers are a part of. >> he has, most definitely. thank you for having me. we are seeing a time where workers are fighting just to have a sustainably paid living wage in the cities that they have their families, and would like to grow in. so we are standing amongst all union members, and all workers right, now because we are at a point in time where it is just not enough. the pay disparity between the rich and poor is the greatest it has ever been. it is harder for people to just have the ability to simply

exist. >> this is interesting, because your union avoided a strike, a negotiation, but i remember speaking -- to who said, when i, said if u.p.s. had to shut down because of a strike, the effect on gdp would be significant. an hour economy, that might be the difference between a recession and not a recession. it is the way it is. we have to get the wages we have to get. that can't be the way we think about things. we are always asked -- union workers are always asked to give up one times and, have now it is time to give back. >> that is exactly true. we always hear from the employees about the economic headwinds they have, and the changes that impact their industry, or their companies, and they should be smart enough to know that there are going to be changes, but they cannot expect that workers are going to be the brunt of that every single time. we have to get ours, it is due time for all workers in the united states and the world to

get what is there, which is just simply asking for enough to provide for their families to put food on the table, and god forbid maybe even go to college, but just to live in this world is all that workers are asking for. >> you are an executive of the most important unions in the history of this country. the teamsters. you are the vice president of the western region there. i want to ask you about something that the presidential candidate tim scott said i believe yesterday, i am in the day before. he talked about -- ronald reagan which is really the beginning of the all attack on unions in 1981. let's listen to what tim scott just had to say. >> ronald reagan gave us a great example, when federal -- law decided they would strike. and if you, strike your fired. simple concept. today -- once again, absolutely. >> by the way, that was monday. that is not legal what he said. you strike, your fired. you are not allowed to say that.

i mean, you can say, but it is not true. you cannot tell your workers your fight if you strike. >> let us right. that is not -- not doesn't understand, law and doesn't understand workers, or what is happening in this country. look, ronald reagan was a union member, ronald reagan did -- and many years, ago so he should probably understand his work before he runs his mouth about what the working people should be doing in this country. -- >> right. that is a good point. we just ran that clip for anything that is happening in the news. one of the things the uaw, or -- did with u.p.s., and you a.w.s. doing with the automakers is what our outsized increases. the average american might say i got a 3%, raise a 4% raise last, year no raise, how come these guys are asking for 30%, 40%? the logic here is, you seem to manage that quite effectively

for your ceos and senior executives, and by the way stockholders have been making lots of money. tell me about this tactic, the idea that why don't you give us the same raise you give the bosses. >> well yes, because it happens all the time. but when you say 40% increases for somebody that is making $30 an hour, that is not as great as somebody that is making $10 million a year. so really, and when you say 40% increase, let's look at how much people are actually making in the united states, i'm talking about blue-collar workers. it is not enough to survive. just in southern california, los angeles, alone somebody needs to make $38.58 to not be -- in los angeles. that is ridiculous, because most, workers they are not making that. even workers who are part of unions. it is just ridiculous to have gotten to this point where the wage gap is the greatest it has ever been, and it shouldn't be okay for ceos to continuously get these sizeable increases.

i have to say, dealing with some of these employers, they have -- and they are not the smartest, and they should never be compensated for work that is not any better than what our members are doing or -- >> all the gm said, for whatever many millions of dollars she, makes that my salary is just $2 million, the rest is performance bonus. >> just $2 million? what does that mean for working people? that is a lot of money. so just 2 million, you are out of touch if you are saying that. >> let me talk about tone. the uaw said, i'm paraphrasing, now but he said next time somebody tells me to make a deal get back to work and live to another day i will punch him in the face, because this is the, day this is when we actually have to do these things. i don't know if that is exactly, wasted but the tone from including you guys was, this is what we are, doing if it results in the, strike it results in a strike. we need to solve this problem for workers. you got a victory in that negotiation.

>> yes, i mean it is essentially take your beating, now take it on the chin, then later on we will continue to beat you and just take the can down the road. we have to stick of ourselves, we have to stick up for working, people, members because this fight is never going to end. we will have to continuously battle them. but look, enough is enough at some point. again, families need to be, fed children need to go to school. working people need to be able to survive in this country. we are not going to take it anymore is simply what it is. >> lindsey, thank you for your time this, morning lindsay, vice president of the western region for the international brotherhood of teamsters. we sure to join me for tomorrow's more -- the president of the united workers union about where the latest negotiations stand. that is tomorrow morning at 10 am eastern right here on msnbc. up next, we have today's meeting of the velshi book, love it he sure in texas fired after signing and illustrated adaptation of and frank's diary

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and frank was given a red and white checkered journal -- over the next two years she would go on to write fights

about her mother, her changing, body and changing love. she will talk about human nature of a young jewish, woman about the secret apartment -- and a man who forced to live in to avoid murder at the hands of the not. these the last entry in the diary, august 1st 1944 dated just three days before -- discovered in the apartment, and sent to concentration camps. the diary and sabra plea, a metaphor for frank's own sudden death. she would die of typhus, just weeks before -- was liberated. the velshi banned book club members know the, story the diary of anne frank is not just one of the most widely disseminated accounts of not the occupation, it is also one of the most red works of the 20th century. the secret addict has become a pilgrimage site for visitors in amsterdam like -- for generations of readers, and frank's diary is -- their first exposure to the dark depths of the holocaust,

the diary event frank is more than just an artifact of the holocaust, it is a tender, an intimate coming of age story, more than 80 years later her and her thoughts from ages 13,, 14 and 15 still resonate. on that first and, tree she wrote, quote i hope i will be able to confide everything to you as i have never been able to confided anyone. the reader becomes and frank's confidant, and entry after, entry we watch and frank mature. she begins to move towards more profound self reflection and thought. she confronts humanity. she struggles with her identity. shoot reflects on changes to her body. the diary of han frank is also an account of a prolonged trauma, and study in human psychology. the people in the attics and -- torture, seclusion, constant threat of death or worse. it is remarkable that these ordinary people maintain their values and humanity, despite the unthinkable pressure under which they live. it is no wonder the diary has

inspired many, many adaptations. in 2018, israeli artists -- and israeli filmmaker -- whose parents survived the holocaust worked together to reimagine the book they call and frank's diary the adaptation. uses both direct quotes from some original writing, and illustrations, and felony spaces left behind by the condense text with and frank and her older sister -- packed for the secret addicts, and lists what she packs, quote, the first thing i stuffed in was this diary, and then, coolest, handkerchiefs -- some old letters. the graphic version shows us the open back in the, terry the antics is thoroughly dissected, page after, page in a way that only a 14-year-old who is in love can do. the graphic novel kicks off their feelings, and draws out their feelings. and the adaptation mass really

-- with the original diary, and the complexity, and yet it modernizes it for a current reader. it sounds great. despite all of this, and the accolades, a digit was fired for assigning the graphic adaptation to the eighth grade class. the reasoning, the passages in which she describes her own body, and wonders about her sexuality. i am so tired of hearing the weak argument that these books should not be read because they're uncomfortable, or pornographic. and frank's diary depicts the holocaust. the holocaust should make you uncomfortable. and frank's diary was written by a 13-year-old girl about her own body. that is what the texas school district views pornographic? there is nothing pornographic about that. preventing and franks modern-day pearson reading her work and experiencing her story

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of the velshi banned book club, the two men who brought us this new adaptation of and frank's diary. it is title and franks diary, the graphic adaptation. dave it is the illustrator, and he joins me now. david, thank you for being with us. there is so many books that are just graphic novels, then there are some like this that are graphic novel adaptation, orographic adaptations of -- i could not think of anything more relevant than taking and frank's tyre and providing yet another venue for people, particularly young people to be able to consume the information there in. which is why i remain shocked,

i'm not shocked by a lot of book banning, but these days, this one still floors me. >> yes, thanks for having me. you know, when we were working on the book seven years ago, we were aiming for the mainstream. what we conceive to be a mainstream in the western countries, at least it is surprising that here we are, six or seven years, later and -- >> yes, there is a few reasons books get banned. the pornography thing is very common and bold. so i want to ask you about that. clearly there is an inability to distinguish between conversations about one's body, conversations about growing, conversations about sexuality, even conservations about sexual assault which don't take place in this, book but a reason that

people cite pornography -- pornography as a thing is as old as the hills. were you surprised that any of the things depicted in this book would be targeted for that reason? >> personally i was not surprised, i knew that this topic, even the two passages from -- were censored by the father when still alive, he was responsible for the publication. but he was a german gentleman born in the 19th century, so it is quite understandable. we felt that sensibilities have changed since then, and it -- i knew that it would might be a bit jarring for conservative audiences, so i tried in this specific passages, they get care into make them -- most ill and honest as possible. for example in the passage

where -- discussing the anatomy, i used the -- painting in a situation of -- a kind of mixing poetry in science. and working very carefully around these things. what surprised me is so far the only -- from the united states. >> i want to get into something i get to in the introduction, that is and frank's story, the reason it is compelling to all of us, the reason i go every time i am in amsterdam to the and frank house, there's always something interesting, even if it is not new, it remains a story of human resilience. in the backdrop of one of the worst things that has ever happened to humanity, human resilience in the face of the holocaust. you cannot talk about this aspect of the diary, without mentioning the most widely quoted passage from, it in which it says it is a wonder i haven't abandon all my ideals,

they seem so absurd and impractical, yet they cling to them because i still believe in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart. and quote. tell me about this. and frank was ultimately optimistic in the face of the worst thing we have ever seen. >> she was an amazing girl, and it is not only writing talent, and observation, and she was ahead of her times in the worst situation. but what i took from her story, and specifically is the humor. it is a jewish defense mechanism, that is very well, and it is what i connected to her. and, it is where i was transformed, especially from her story.

humor in the dire situation. >> last year i spoke with the author about her graphic novel which is also based on the holocaust called white bird, you are familiar with it i'm sure. it is fiction. but white bird explored -- occupied france. last year, i asked her why her, book books about the holocaust in general keep getting targeted for event. here's what you told me. >> you can't ban history. these books are steeped in history. as you have said before, the idea is to build empathy and tell stories that can also teach children about events in history that they might not otherwise know. >> i want to ask you about that, because there are two sides to this coin. there is the idea to teach children about things they might not otherwise know, because it would be understandable that a young child might not know about the holocaust, on the other side teaching people about the holocaust is going to be uncomfortable. there's no way not to make that uncomfortable. there is no way to hide what the holocaust really was, who

the holocaust really targeted, what they really did to all of those jews. so how do you manage that situation? new and rj, as illustrators, how to deal with the idea that you might be somebody's first real introduction into some of these things? >> when we accepted this, this commission of work from the commission in basal, switzerland, our main reason to do it, was we show and as a full human being. she is -- the only way, is to show this connection, and apart from being a human being, it is getting your first period, and falling in love, and thinking about these things when your 14. and i felt it was necessary to

put this in the publication, and because that is why we started this project. the people who lived through that experience, and it needs to be kept alive. >> i want to ask you, the last diary entry which was august 1st 1944, there are eight people who are living in that in amsterdam. there are people outside walls who have been helping them stay alive. and frank talks at length about how lonely and isolated she feels, and when you go to the and frank, house you feel it. that is a small house. they are upstairs, behind the secret stairway, it is a small place. and yet, her story, when you talk about the story of a whole human, she talks about the story of a sense of community within that story. it almost seems impossible she has built community in the

little world in which she is confined. >> this is, i think, one of the reasons for the success of her diary. it is the fact that even a toledo villa, it is mostly about the relationships in dire situations, but the tendency, the normal tendencies and behaviors are we -- drastic conditions and i would -- the fact that ann's story is not about the holocaust, for her the holocaust started after she was forced to -- this is a story about family and about the will to live and thrive in universal conditions,

which are not necessarily concentration camp. and i think that is still the main point to remember who she was, alive. >> does it bother you as a two, as a descendant of people who were in the holocaust, that people escaped the reality of these things missing it is offensive to read, about it or this difficult for the children to read about that? does that feel personally troublesome for you? >> listen, that is -- i did not take it personally. but, i think that -- i believe they are missing out on a huge part of human experience, but just not going into -- places and it is the other hand, i don't think it should be --

for someone to read something that -- on the other hand i don't know. i wouldn't go to the practical side of it. >> we are certainly not in the business of wanting to force anyone to read anything, we just don't want people fired for suggesting -- thank you for your great work, david, the illustrator of anne frank diary, the graphic adaptation. don't worry, there is more on velshi book lower that came from. scan the qr could on your screen, there we go. there is a q r code. scan, it listen to the latest episode of velshi banned book club cast, if you can, believe it we are already on episode six. the latino identity in literature, featuring two remarkable novels. they discover the secrets of the universe by benjamin and darkness by ashley ho perez. do not miss it. that does it for, me thank yo for, watching be sure to join me tonight for a special edition of velshi from 6 to 8 pm eastern. of course, i will be back tomorrow morning from 10 am to noon eastern.

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