i had this hour, lately you might have heard a lot about molly michael, the former presidents longtime assistant, and what she is reportedly

saying about the trump classified documents. this hour, sarah matthews, former trump white house deputy press secretary joins me to tell me what she saw and heard when she was an insider. that's right here in a few minutes. a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. at this hour, some members of congress are spending their saturday on capitol hill after it unsuccessful week a federal spending negotiations. and seven days, the u.s. government will shut down if the embattled republican house is unable to strike a deal. today, lawmakers on both sides says it's time for everyone to work together. >> i would recommend up to the speaker, and the conference, that we work across the aisle, and get a deal. >> we are ready to work together. the american people expect us to work together.

that window is closing if mccarthy continues to given to the extreme chaos in the congress. >> also new today, bob menendez says he will not step down after -- on federal bribery charges. the couple are accused of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in the form of cash, gold, bars and other items of value. it's in exchange for his influence. menendez denies the allegations, the phillips on friday became the first democrat to call for his resignation. >> i am appalled. i don't care if you're a republican, you should be appalled. a member of congress appears to have broken the law, and is someone i believe should resign. >> also developing this hour, dhs secretary is on his way to the southern border, and this comes amid new reports that illegal crossings are on pace to reach record highs this month. a report on his visit in just a

moment. meanwhile, president biden is prepared to travel to michigan on tuesday to stand in solidarity with the united auto workers who are currently on strike. supreme court justice, clarence thomas, is facing new backlash today after a report from propublica suggests that he has been secretly participating network events. hours after that was released, justice selina -- called for the supreme court to adopt an ethics code. >> what we could do is just adapt the code of conduct that the other court systems have in order to reflect those's differences. i think it would be a good thing for the court to do that. >> reaction to that report about later in this hour. first, we have a number of correspondents in place covering all of those developing stories from michigan to texas, to washington, d.c.. let's go first to capitol hill, nbc correspondent, julie, tsirkin. julie, welcome. is that the goal of republicans

to allow the federal government to shut down? >> well, look, i just asked to become -- literally a few moments ago. if americans at this point should expect a shutdown, and he told me, no. he said that there are still a number of days left until october 1st. i know, alex, your mouth is the same of mind. that's not a lot of time to pass their bills. we know they're not going to. and pass the stopgap funding measure when he has a handful of holdouts, but refuses to vote for any bill that keep the government open, even temporarily. citing two hives spending, how other priorities, including ukraine being a part of that. i'm sorry, i keep looking over my shoulder because there's a lot of action happening in the last few minutes here. with the median, they are marking up these bigger bills. there is a conference wide call healthy in the last couple minutes to get people on the same page. we've heard from a democrat and moderate republican, both equally frustrated with what's going on at the shutdown mess. take a listen.

>> we've got over 170,000 federal employees in virginia. over 130,000 active service military who will wonder where the next paycheck is coming from. we know who, if we have a government shutdown, it is at the feet of house republicans. >> they're going through a lot of gymnastics right now to get to 222 republicans. you have fine there refused to do it. work with the democrats -- and govern. these 5 to 10 people don't want to govern. they want to shut down. they said it yesterday, they want a shut down. most of the republicans do not. 95% of us do not want to shut down. >> look, that's congressman tom bacon of nebraska. he's a moderate republican. and he's frustrated, but so is the speaker and his conservative allies. his negotiators that are in the room, i talk to some of them last night. they basically lay the blame at the feet of these holdouts who

are preventing them from moving forward. at the same time, mccarthy told me he is not ready to work across the aisle just yet. he says there's still time to get the steal together. i don't know mccloskey's looking, up but it's clearly different than mine. >> i'm curious, when we talk about all the activity behind, you and we can see evidence behind it for ourselves, what is it that can get accomplished today, julie? >> look, we know that he sent all house members home. we know that there is not going to be a vote until tuesday at the earliest. at the same time, they want to be in here, they want to be working, and they want to at least get the optics of trying to get something done. that being said, there are negotiations happening behind the scenes, it's just not clear who's in the room in terms of the holdouts, and if they're going to come on board. we also know congressman matt gaetz is still going to bring up that motion to vacate. he wants mccarthy out of the speaker's chair. there could be a chance that he won't accept anything that has mccarthy's fingerprints on it. >> can i just, say if you see congressman -- he's on the committee, he -- please tell her not to miss that with us at the bottom of

the hour. get her back in front of the cameras, my. van >> got it. >> let's go to the breaking news in texas and the intensifying humanitarian crisis that the u.s. mexico border. right now, secretary of homeland security is at the texas border, meeting with the president of honduras. their meeting is coming after a massive surge of tens of thousands of migrants crossing into the u.s. this week. joining me now from texas is nbc's squad -- what can you tell us about the plans for the secretary's visit. who may he see and meet? >> alex, we know that the secretary has arrived earlier today. he visited,he seemed to be processing center here in the area. this is one of the larger procsing centers and texas. now these centers are where the migrants are seeking asylum. they are taken to be processed. in, fact what we heard on the ground from the officers we've spoken to is that it takes a lot of man power, and a lot of time to process the migrants that are seeking asylum. that is one of the most

difficult things they have to deal with. they know that the dhs secretary's meeting with the presidents. this is going to be allowed after to ask questions, and there are a lot of questions because we have large numbers of migrants arriving at the border. most of them are crossing directly, and turning themselves and without any enforcement to stop them doing that. we know that a process was put in place, alex, by the federal government with an app they can use on their phone. in which they request an appointment to request entry. most of the migrants we spoken to here have chosen to not go this route, and across the united states. now they've also said that they did try to use the, app it wasn't always work properly. there's been a lot of discussion about the functionality of that program that has been implemented by the u.s. government. meanwhile,, alex the different part of texas, eagle pass, where we've seen these large

numbers, this morning there were reports that hundreds of migrants have arrived. those reports came in yesterday also from mexico, that they had started moving. these are freight trains that migrants use to head north. now the reports indicate they're moving. there are hundreds of migrants. now this morning, they have reports of hundreds are turning themselves into eagle pass. these numbers continue, cpp are still dealing with these large numbers that will end up at these processing centers. meanwhile, after, that the migrants, if they are released and allowed to remain in the u.s., these areas -- that is why eagle pass declared a state of emergency. they found more resources. we'll hear from one of the migrants that arrived in texas, to see what it's like for some. >> how come you are sleeping here? sleeping on the streets? >> [interpreter] because i have been homeless. because my uncle will come into his house, and i can't status

house anymore. it's been 45 days now. >> now we also know that the biden administration has offered temporary protection status to almost half 1 million venezuans that are in the united states. know what this means is that 81 from venezuela can enter into the united states before the end of july will be able to apply for a work permit. that is going to help places like new york that's been dealing with a lot of migrants, because they'll be able to find jobs. here's the question, alex, what's going to happen with those who are making their way north? will they then be more motivated to come into the u.s. knowing that those crossing before them have now have a way to work illegally in the united states? alex. >> that is a huge question. they certainly reach that number 500,000 though in due time. thanks so much, i know you're going to monitor the secretary as well as the president of ponderous and their meeting together. we'll get back with you on

that. thank you. more breaking news. this needed autoworkers, strike which is now in a second week. the walkout on friday, expanding to dozens more facilities across 20 states. on tuesday, president biden heads to michigan to show support for workers, and his chief 2024 rival, president, trump said to visit there on wednesday. our reporters outside a general motors plant in michigan. what's the latest on the negotiations? >> alex, negotiations are ongoing. at this, point best we can tell. of course we don't know exactly what's happening behind closed doors. we know president biden is saying that he will be on the picket line with workers on tuesday. this will come just hours before an expected visit by former president trump. as all this develops, the potential consequences of the striker growing. >> the united auto workers historic strike is now stretching coast to coast. >> reinforcements are coming. >> the union says it's made real progress, but just --

it's following through on its threat, telling general motors and stellantis workers to strike and it distribution centers and states, from new york to north carolina. texas, colorado, a california. >> salons essentially i'm in particular going to see some serious pushing. >> among those walking up the job on friday, eric short. he said that he was part of a 40-day strike against gm in 2019. his family is fueling that financial strain. >> are you ready to go for days again? >> absolutely, absolutely. >> why? >> because we deserve a fair, reasonable wage. >> that fight for higher pay could soon hit americans far from the picket line. >> this will be days that we will feel the impact, and the scores will feel the impact. >> more than 40 midwest eli ships, he says they've stocked up on high demand parts like brake pads, but warns out there is, like new engines, could be harder to find with parts distribution centers on strike. >> if the union really wanted to put more pressure directly

on the companies, was this the best next up for the union? >> this tactic seems to put more pressure on the dealers and consumers than the company. >> in a statement, general motors accusing union leadership of manipulating the bargaining process for their own personal agendas. stellantis writing, we question whether the union's leadership has ever had an interest of reaching an agreement in a timely manner. the union says it's closer to a deal with ford, highlighting the companies offers on issues including cost of living adjustments in the right to strike over plant closures. ford says that there is more work to do. >> even with this expansion, and the union only has asked around a tenth of its big three workers to go on strike. alex, this still has the potential to grow substantially. >> it sure does. okay, just, courage thank you for that update. she's a former trump insider, and she's going to tell us what she saw and heard. sarah matthews, next, on all of those bombshell allegations this week from donald trump's former executive assistant,

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because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. new developments this week as former trump white house aides have bombshell allegations against the president and his allies. and the documents case, we're told that the former executive assistant, molly michael told investigators that her boss told her, quote, you don't know anything about the boxes when he found out the fbi wanted to talk to her about the case. nbc news has not independently verified that point, meanwhile, another aide, cassidy had, chisholm alleges in a new book that trump advisor, rudy giuliani groped her backstage during donald trump speech on january six. in an expert published in the guardian, she says, ruby wraps one arm around my body, close in the speech that was separating us. she then elaborates that

excerpt is indeed in the book. a spokesperson for giuliani call the obligations a disgusting lie. joining me, now a former trump aide, sarah matthews. cirrhosis oppressor terry to jonah, trump resigned on january six, 2021. sarah, welcome. i'm excited to speak with you. uncomfortably, let's start with those groping allegations, because i know you were to cassidy hutchison during your time at the white house. did she ever tell you about any encounters with rudy giuliani? did you ever have any interactions with him? >> i did not have any interactions with giuliani at the white house. as you, mentioned we were at the white house at the same time. we worked really closely, together the team was in constant court nation with the chief of staff's, office she was our go-to person whenever we needed anything former chief of staff. she was essentially mark meadows right hands. she did not confided me about this allegation, but she was

someone that was working closely, with i always knew her to be someone of good character, someone of integrity. i find her very credible, and i have no reason to believe that this allegation is false. i think if you look at someone like giuliani, i would definitely take cassidy hutchison word over a man of his character. just given the fall from grace that we've seen from him in the last several years, this is also following a pattern where we've seen him be accused of this before by an employee who accused him of sexual harassment and sexual assaults. quite frankly, i believe cassidy hutchison, take her word of cassidy's any day. >> you resigns on january, 60 alleged this took place on january. six it may not have crossed over. let me ask why director josh to put up the statement for giuliani spokesperson, but the question to you been this. what's your reaction to the claims of the timing of the

statements. it says that it's fair to ask a city why she is no committed with these allegations from two and half years ago a poor as the marketing campaign for a book release. this is a person ally against giuliani, and a man with distinguished career public service is taking down the mafia, cleanup new york city, and calgary in the nation following september 11th. your reaction to that timeline? >> i think it's really important for people to keep in mind the power dynamic that is at play here. when this alleged incident, occurred cassidy hutchison was 23 years, old and working at the white house. rudy giuliani was then a beloved national hero, he was america's mayor. i think to come forward with an allegation of that nature is really scary for anyone to do in general, but especially in that situation, just given the skewed power dynamic. i do think that it's kind of growth, so honestly, for anyone to question him the time mean when anyone comes forward with

sexual assault or allegation. that is why a big reason a lot of them took up for with these claims, because people start to -- >> you mention the word scary, they're cassidy hutchison said in an interview that she had to move out of d.c. for a few months because her legal team thought it wasn't safe for her to go home after she testified to the 16 committee. you also testified to that committee, did you get similar, advice were you concerned at all for your safety? >> yeah, at the time, i was working on capitol hill, they offered to send capitol police to stand guard outside of the office that i was working in. thankfully, my boss at the time allowed me to just work from home, but i did ultimately leave d.c. for a period of time, and ended up going back home to be home with family for a couple of weeks, just at a safety. it was something that all of the witnesses had to deal, with but i think cassidy had to deal with up to such a heightened level because of the bombshell

allegations in her testimony. she face a way bigger threats, and i think that that is really sad that to come forward, and speak the truth, then she had to deal with the safety and security concerns for months on ends. i'm happy that she is now coming forward and telling her story. is able to do so, and feel safe enough to do so. >> many thought she is courageous for doing so. let's talk about molly michael, who you also know. it was said that she would be the witness room hell for trump. how close was the -- and president trump. given what you know about her, would she potentially flip on him? >> molly michael is a longtime aide to the former president. she began working at the white house in 2019. hard to ask, or she's, that was directly outside of the oval office, an area we call outer

oval. anyone who is walking into the oval office to meet with the office would've walked by her desk. he relied on her, she was at his back and call anytime a message was to go to anyone, or schedule a phone, call or meeting. she would've been in charge of. that this is someone who he would've known on a personal level. he would've known her by name, and how close interactions with her. we've often seen where people come forward to tell the truth about the trump presidency. he dismisses them. he says, that you, know he didn't know, them where he doesn't recognize, them or they were just a coffee boy and he tries to downplay their role in the white house. that happened to myself in cassidy hutchison. you would be really hard for trump and his allies to do the same with molly michael. just given the proximity that she had to the president being one of his personal aides, and following him down to mar-a-lago, the presidency. so i think that if i were the trump team, they know that she

is a very credible witness, and that this is someone who would've had very close access on the inside, and they're probably worried. i do not know her well enough to know if she is going to flip on him, but it seems that on the reporting that we've seen, in which he told investigators that she was very uncomfortable with his willingness to cooperate and the classified documents investigation, and with the national archives. i think there's a high likelihood of it. >> seems like harry lippman's potential testimony might ring true. abc news has reported that molly told investigators that donald trump repeatedly wrote to do less for her. he did so on the back of classified documents. do you think that this is plausible? i'm curious if you ever got jotted down notes from the former president. >> i did get shouted down knows when the former president, but not on classified material. when he would give our press team any kind of jotted down notes, it was usually on

statements that we would write for him, or draft tweets, or sometimes we would print out positive news articles and tweets for him to see if he was in a bad mood, and if he liked a tweet, or the article, he would write a thank you notes, and ask us to deliver it to the author of the said tweet or article. he did constantly jot down notes, so i think that's believable. i think we've seen a recklessness in his handling of classified material, that's been well documented in other cases. i think it is believable that he would write down these kinds of notes for mali on classified material, and kind of treated as a post-it note. >> as i'm sure you've heard, donald trump refused to tell the ess moderator what he was doing during the january 6th attack on the capitol. when molly michael was deposed during the house 16 committee investigation, she was more forthcoming. let's take a look at what she said. >> look tell me how you watch

this. you're in the january, watching tv. >> i won't tell. you'll told people later, it appropriate. time just so you understand, however. >> you are under attack though, in the moment -- >> did you see the statements i made? >> do you know whether he was watching tv in the dining room when you talk to him on january six? >> it's my understanding he was what shane -- >> curious why donald trump would not say what he was doing. do you know, sarah, what he was doing? molly said it was her understanding he was watching tv. >> yeah. from what i had heard, i did not have any personal interactions with him that day, but talked with folks who were inside the dining room with him just off of the oval office. it was true that he had the tv on, and was watching the events at the capitol unfolded, watching our capital under attack with a group of advisers around him, begging and pleading with him to send out any sort of tweets, and to tell

these people to leave the capitol, to condemn the violence. he only sent out a couple of tweets reluctantly so after the begging and pleading of his daughter ivanka trump, which is something i testified to when i testify before the january six committee. he also sent out that infamous video that took place three hours after the capitol attack started so he did, like i said, in a way, act, as i mentioned, in that interview with meet the press. he only did so reluctantly. and hours after the attack again. this is something he was known to do. he was known to sit and consume tv for hours on end, in that dining room. i think that based on my interactions with people who were inside that dining room with him that day, that checks out to be true. obviously, molly attested to that is well. >> former deputy trump white house press secretary, sarah

matthews. it's awfully good to speak with you. thank you so much for your time and insights. here's a programming note for all of you, monday, rachel maddow will sit down with former white house aide, catches the hatches, and for her first live interview since serving as a key witness in the january six hearings. monday night, nine eastern, be here watching msnbc. new fallout today in the case of senator robert menendez with a new statement about what he plans on not doing, and later, without a doubt, it had to hurt. we're going to talk about this headline. mccarthy caps's nightmare week with one more humiliation, caving to marjorie taylor greene. stay with us, especially if you're on the east coast, because let's face, that you do not want to be out in this. we have details about the weather, coming next. her, coming next n, c'mon. -gracie, c'mon. let's go! guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing!

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on bribery charges yesterday. he at least temporarily stepped down as chair of the foreign relations committee. he is now under pressure to vacate his seat entirely. and b.c. jonathan dean is joining us with more. >> a small growing number are calling on senator menendez to resign, with some republicans calling him a senior senator, gold bar bob. with menendez pushing back, saying quote, we should push him out of a seat. he should resign after a stunning indictment. he is defiant, releasing a statement overnight saying, i'm not going anywhere. prosecutors accuse the democrat of a wide-ranging bribery scheme, saying that he and his wife accepted gold bars, piles of cash, and a mercedes-benz, all in an illegal effort to help three businessmen and officials. >> the senator and his wife

accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars and bribes. in exchange for senator menendez using his power and influence to protect, and enrich those businessmen and to benefit the government of egypt. >> one of those businessmen, fred davies, is it emitted fraudster, who allegedly paid menendez and his wife with these gold bars. after getting the gold, the indictments have been undoes on the search. how much is one kilo of gold worth? >> these the crew grams are worth $150,000. >> during a search of his home, prosecutors say they found $480,000 in cash. including these on the list stuffed into one of his suits, more hidden in fan closets. according to the indictment, senator menendez also abused his powerful position as chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. >> senator menendez provided sensitive, non, public u.s.

information to egyptian officials. >> senator menendez both deny wrongdoing, same forces behind the scene or trying to silence him with false claims. there has been an active smear campaign of anonymous sources. the excesses of these prosecutors are apparent. they have misrepresented the work of a congressional of this. they attacked my wife for the long-standing friendship she had before she and i even met. while many democrats are remaining silent, the allegations are deeply disturbing. they're calling on menendez to immediately resign. >> the senator, his, wife in the three businessmen are all due in court on wednesday on the barr brain extortion related counts. they're all expected to plead not guilty. meanwhile, new jersey democrats are planning to meet this weekend to discuss next steps, since menendez is up for reelection next year. back to you. >> jonathan gates, thanks so much for, that let's turn now to extreme weather ripping up

the east coast, right now tropical storm ophelia is bringing heavy rainfall and powerful winds to the mid-atlantic region. this is what it looked like after making landfall in north carolina. more than 50,000 homes in north carolina and virginia are without power. the storm surge -- warning is in place for northeastern virginia and travel advisories for new york city. joining us now with more, nbc news meteorologist michelle grossman, it seems like you cannot get a weekend off, michelle. what about this one? what should people know about the storm? >> i know. we're looking at this morning, 6:15 on the carolina coast. this 70-mile-per-hour winds. that's a strong tropical, storm merely a tropical level. we're looking at winds of 50 miles per, hour so we'll be talking about this all we can, long because it's a relatively slow-moving storm, it's going to keep its strength during the day, and bring a whole lot of rain and wind in lots of spots. take a look at the track here, we're looking at the rainfall, in where you see those, bends the collars, the oranges,

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majority of the house went home for the weekend without a deal in place. joining me now is a member of the house judiciary committee, as well as the committee on pennsylvania congressman, mary gay scanlon. it's nice to have you on the broadcast. it seems to some of the house members who just stick around to d.c. are exactly the ones who stalled the process. is this just theater now, or is there any hope for something tangible this weekend? >> the course that the speaker and this caucus are suing is to pass 11 more appropriations bills in the next week, when they haven't been able to pass more than one in the last several months. what they're doing with the theater this weekend, to push more bills which will never pass the senate, and may not pass the house, that does nothing to stop a shutdown. at this, point the only thing that's going to do that is a ciara, continued resolution. >> there is a spinning of, wheels house members, they come to mind, they have indicated

that if house speaker kevin mccarthydoes not address their demands, they will not vote on a spending bill. is there anything on their list that you can agree with? >> i think the problem is that the list changes, and it depends on which member of the freedom caucus, or freedom caucus adjacent that you talk to. they all have different things, and there is a hard-core group there. that's the number ranges, depending on the estimate, from five to a dozen or more. some will never vote for continued resolution. you know, it is, it seems difficult to see how this moves forward without a bipartisan resolution, which the senate has already prepared to do, the vast majority of the house, i think, is prepared to do. the far-right and the speaker are not prepared to do. >> to that point, wouldn't the hill, the senate gop predicts mccarthy will go to democrats for the votes, if you can't

strike a deal with members of his own party. have you heard about this in the house confines there? if mccarthy reaches across the aisle, will you, will other democrats be willing to work with him. >> well i think that becomes the essential question here. as far as i know, mccarthy has not reached out to the democrats. he, instead, has been pushing further and further to the right with this chaos caucus. you know, giving up more and more. throwing ukraine under the bus. you know, being willing to cut spending on with, -- and all sorts of essential services. he has moved further to the right. in order to keep the government open, it looks as if he will have to come back to the middle. the middle where most americans are. there's been no evidence of that yet. >> how apropos. so let's move to discuss the supreme court. there is a new propublica report that says that justice clarence thomas secretly participated and coke network nor events. this is just a part of a

years-long personal relationship with the koch brothers that has remained almost entirely out of public view. does this raise more ethical questions around this specific justice, justice thomas? can congress effectively address it in any way? >> i think that the two pieces of that that are troubling art that it happened in the first place. you know, in order to have respect for judicial institutions in the rule of law, judges and justices are supposed to avoid the appearance of impropriety. we certainly have that here. the reporting that you just gave, that he secretly did, this that he did not disclose this, that makes it even worse. it's a far cry from what we've seen in the past. if you go back to -- who is a justice when he was nominated to become chief justice, he had gotten some payments from folks for various speaking engagements, and such, which raise the appearance of impropriety. he resigns, because it was for

the good of the court, the good of the country. >> uyghur justice lenny kang on the heels of this reporting saying that the supreme court should adopt lower courts justice says, ethics guidelines. the supreme court has to police itself on this. what do you think the likelihood is that they will do so? >> i think the pressure is growing. they should've done it quite some time ago, and with each no disclosure, the pressure ramps up. it is really disturbing that the chief justice has not force this issue, but i think as we're hearing the drumbeat from the public, and the individual justices, it's something that has to happen. congress is going to do as much as we can. >> okay. on, wednesday during general merrick garland, as we heard from the house judiciary committee. colin was called to provide testimony, quickly turned into heated back and forth between garland and republican members of the committee. take a listen. >> do you agree that

traditional -- are violent extremists? >> i had no idea what traditional means here. >> go to church. >> someone who bought hunter biden's art ended up with the prestigious appointments. he's become this immediate success when they are world as his dad is president of the united states. isn't that odd? >> not going to comment about any specific -- >> not going to comment or investigate. >> did you have some lack of information that you should have had that would've caused you to act earlier to make him special counsel? >> he did not ounce to be special counsel. >> i understand he didn't, ask you said, that's her. >> did you learn anything constructive in this hearing, and this badge reign of the attorney general? >> it's hard to say it was constructive one that was clearly the purpose of it, to try to use the attorney general as a punching bag to score talking points. i think what we did see from merrick garland was a clearly principled attorney general. i think in the hearing, i commented that it was a really

refresh a change from the last two attorney general who appeared before the committee, that he is plainly stated that he was not the presidents counsel, he was not congress this prosecutor. you had a very clear idea of the constitution, boundaries, of his position. the fact that he was not supposed to be engaged in political -- which is what that hearing was. >> thank you for recalling what you said. we're going to play, up but you did forest. thank you so much, congresswoman. good to see you. a judge in colorado overseeing the case to remove donald trump on the ballot issues a critical order. those details, and the impact, next. xt wipe, and we're done! with mr. clean clean freak, conquering messes is that easy. clean freak's mist is three times more powerful, and it works on contact. clean freak, just freak, wipe, done.

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that really have concerns about their safety here. you are looking at, in the colorado case, the judge saying, it's not for her and her staff as well as the attorneys that are involved in the case. and the d.c. case, you're also looking at potential jurors, potential witnesses, web these kinds of threats, and intimidating statements online are coming from donald trump, and then spreading to his supporters. this really, really does have a chilling effect. it ensures they're less willing to serve, potentially to take the stand, so you need some kind of an order, and you need the order to be something that is in forest, and have real penalties so that donald trump knows that there are consequences to the things that he says. if he intimidates people, if he's inciting violence, then it's not going to be tolerated, and there will be real penalties, you know, fines, money, and potentially contempt

in prison. >> yeah. kristie, right, there what's your understanding that kevin mccarthy, the house speaker, is holding a gavel there in the capital. let's take a listen. >> are there any -- >> i saw some. i've seen some of these people before, when crunch times come they walk on the floor. [inaudible] i think there are a few people that want to take it all down. for different reasons, for different reasons. i just do not believe 99.9% of the republicans want that. i don't think that's productive. this entire time i've been trying to change washington where we do bills individually. we've been going along very successfully, we put these bills back in july to give amendments. you don't have that much, time you don't have to read it so much, there's such an improvement in this process.

what happens, people start fighting over the dollar figure. even though you had the debt ceiling bill, they wanted less, so we try to find how do you get to 18 to get their, then against frustration, then was inside becomes a problem. there have different philosophies. so are you working towards more amendments? the idea if they would take d.o.d., that everyone supported down into it twice, made no sense to me. that is slowing everything down. i remember awhile back, there is a whole week where we could do anything. they like to stop everything. then the turn around and say, is your fault, you're not getting anything done. >> what do you compared to the debt ceiling, and the difficulty and frustration? >> you know, the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling was tough. i felt as though we were all focused on the same page. to do it slowly, we have the senate republicans with us to. it was a historically much

higher hill to climb to be successful, and i think most all of you would say kevin has no chance. how is he ever going to get a meeting with the president? we stayed with. that it didn't come together till the variants, right? you asked me, when you're going to sign the other one? so i always believe, when you get to the final deadlines, that's when the real crunch comes. i believe in human behavior for those that have been holding out knowing that crunch time is coming. even if they say, well, why did all this happen sooner? , well you know, they're the ones who held it up. maybe they feel the pressure to do something different. >> sorry to cut you. up does it feel like it's easier to deal with the democratic white house, in some respects, then members of your own party? >> well, when you are negotiating with the democratic white house, you're negotiating with 10 persons with few of the staff. when you're negotiating, here everybody is caring. one person can close it down.

once one person gets something, everybody has to get something. then somebody else has to get something. >> people are negotiating in good faith? some of the holdup? >> i think some, are. yeah >>, shamattawa? >> everyone has their different reasons why. >> what are you going to do next week? >> do what to do with everything else. >> what is that? >> voted down. >> have you've been able to cut the 16 billion from the top line yet? of the appropriations bills? >> well, we'll see what they've been working on. >> can i clarify, are the options in your mind that the holdouts agreed to move the conservancy with -- or if they, don't you have to accept either bipartisan deal or -- >> seven members say they've never wanted to do a c r. if you talk through that, they want to do ocr because they want individual bills. we've been trying to pass individual bills this whole time that they've been denying

us, we need to be able to start producing. then what it does is simply funds the government while we're passing those bills. if we have at their way, and government shuts down, we have passed anything, we're in a very weak position to win anything. for the american public. how hard are we going to be able to secure the border? how much wokeism will we be able to bring out? how much change, or savings, will we be able to do? it puts us in a much weaker position going into a battle where you've got senators on the democrats and republicans who want to spend, more break the debt ceiling bill. >> the former president wayne, and does this position mean that you are more likely to fix the bipartisan cpr, if your members don't like you? >> more willing to accept a republican funding bill that

funds government for a short time so we can finish the republican appropriation bills off the floor, which we've been trying to do for the last three months. >> on the, when you were in the speakers fight, some of these holdouts have said that you agreed to decisions. is that a representation? i know you don't like talking about it. >> why don't you sit down with garrett graves. he's the one to talk to you. >> can you talk to us about it? >> talk to garrett about, it he knows. >> speaker mccarthy -- [inaudible] >> okay, there we go. we have that live feed right there. we're coming back to, but there you see julie tsirkin right in the middle of that. you know she's talking with how speaker, kevin mccarthy, who by the sounds of, it are rather thankless job. you have to wonder who would want the job he has. he talks about the difficulty trying to crawl as republican caucus, three months under appropriations, bills having people say to him, basically, what he said was that he

couldn't trust many of them. they say one thing to, and then they walk out to, you know, the floor, and tried to do something else. they say one thing, to another. what a difficult time for him as well. he did say it was interesting as he was trying to appoint what he does with the republican caucus, isn't that what she does with the white house. one-on-one negotiations. that, he's, as you can do with a few staffers around. year when it comes to negotiations within the republican caucus, one person can come fourth of vote to vacate that office. it's an extraordinary time. we have seven days funding the government. we have that video coming into us moments ago, glad we were able to approach the top of the hour, going to continue this with kristie weber. with the southern district of new york, abc's in the new york times were marked on mary

markle after he learned that the fbi wanted to interview her on the mar-a-lago classified documents investigation. he reportedlyai this to her. quote, you don't know anything about. he says trump did nothing, wrong but take a look at what he read about it. >> i hear trump, you, know really, for the first time in terms of the way this evidence is rolled out, you, know speaking in the terms of i'm abbas. it really is trump, you know, directly ordering obstruction. >> so donald trump's alleged quote is not a jack smith's indictment, but beyond obstruction, does it elite and when >> she could be considered

a witness, there could be witness tampering, there because of that, point he knew that there was, investigation he knew the federal agents were trying to influence -- but it is a slam dunk on the administration. and the fact that he knows that they're trying to look at the boxes according to that reporting, he says very clearly reviewing those boxes knew that there were classified documents, at the federal officials wanted to speak with her about it. was telling her to lie about their existence. that is very clearly obstructive conduct, and the fact, is is not just one witness. we have molly michael, but we also have tavares, who is said that donald trump told him to deletes information from the server, that the federal officials were