a witness, there could be witness tampering, there because of that, point he knew that there was, investigation he knew the federal agents were trying to influence -- but it is a slam dunk on the administration. and the fact that he knows that they're trying to look at the boxes according to that reporting, he says very clearly reviewing those boxes knew that there were classified documents, at the federal officials wanted to speak with her about it. was telling her to lie about their existence. that is very clearly obstructive conduct, and the fact, is is not just one witness. we have molly michael, but we also have tavares, who is said that donald trump told him to deletes information from the server, that the federal officials were looking for this

as well. when you have not one but two witnesses who were both saying that the former president is telling you to not share information, and affirmatively, actually, lie about that information you do know that the federal officials want to know, you are in a world of hurt. >> yeah. kristie, i'm sorry for the brevity of this conversation. thank you for understanding. we were able to get kevin mccarthy there on tape. i will look forward to seeing you again. for all of you, if you missed it, in just a moment we'll go back to that as he was speaking about the potential shutdown. you'll hear what he had to say. plus, new drama in court friday, involving some of donald trump's attorneys. why a judge in new york told them, quote, you were warned. when i first heard those arguments, i thought it was a joke. also, one of these toss-up states took dramatic action this weekend getting out to vote. who will benefit the most from this? democrats and republicans? democratic strategist simple star, cornell belcher, joins me moments.

>> just past the top of the hour, but nonetheless, good day to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. i'll come tell it's what reports. we begin with a countdown to a potential government shutdown with just one week to go before funding expires. infighting among republicans appears to be the biggest obstacle in the way of a new spending agreement. capitol hill, mostly empty today after house speaker kevin mccarthy set members home for the weekend. he's there, and keeping hope alive. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i think now some members are really to the pressure coming up. now, instead of doing individual rules to pass individual bills, they have their many bus to get [inaudible] and hopefully we'll get that moving. >> some new reaction from lawmakers to images of cold

hard cash, gold bars, and a mercedes-benz. federal officials say this is evidence of bribery charges against the jersey senator, robin undoes. also, breaking news on the texas border. dhs secretary has arrived, a firsthand look at the crisis there. the report suggests the crossings are on pace to reach record highs this month. we'll have a live report for the border in a few minutes. also, arrived in court for donald trump's lawyers in the new york attorney 250 million-dollar fraud lawsui a judge in friday warnings that the same legal argument to be made over and over he said at one point, when i first heard those arguments, i thought it was a joke. we'll have the latest on the trump trials a bit later on. first, let's go to capitol hill, where -- over a government shutdown. julie tsirkin is there keeping a very close eye on the latest developments. really close, in fact. we've watched you speak with how speaker kevin mccarthy just moments ago. it was quite a wide ranging

commentary that he offered. what are you hearing that's most important? >> yeah, exactly. there's a couple of new things. he's going back and forth, meeting with the rules committee that is trying to process these four appropriations bills, including that defense bill that failed twice last week on tuesday. mccarthy said that's when the house separately, we're still watching that stopgap government funding bill because, alex, they don't have time to get that appropriations bills done in the next seven days. mccarthy, he see me not to mystic, cautiously, at least. they could potentially keep the government open. take a listen to what he told me when i asked him earlier this morning, when you first came into that capital, whether american should expect a shutdown. watch. >> should americans expect to shut down? >> no, i mean, that's on the first. we still have a number of days. the uniqueness is from the standpoint i have -- i think when it gets crunch

time, people will finally, that have been holding off all this time, blaming everybody else, will finally move on. >> so those holdouts, i keep asking him over and over again if he is communicating that to them in private, i'm sure he, is and what they're saying back. it still sounds like there is going to be a handful of holdouts, including congressman, matt, gates who may bring out a motion to vacate speaker mccarthy from his position as soon as next week. it still sounds like speaker mccarthy is trying to convince holdouts who may or may not end up voting for a government funding bill regardless of what it is inside, as long as mccarthy's fingerprints are touching it. they're hesitant to supported. i asked him point blank about the motion to vacate, by the way, he said i'll do what i've always, do i follow up saying, what is that? he said, all vote down. mccarthy, walking by, shaking, hands greeting visitors, as well, clearly wants to show that he's in the building and work, him despite not having the votes right now to keep the government open. certainly, the clock is

ticking. >> yes, it certainly. as well i appreciate you getting right in there and asking some important questions, at least bringing us up to date on the very latest. at this point. there is another big headline that i want to discuss with you, this involves the bribery charges against him in new jersey. what are his colleagues telling you about that? >> well, that's right. look, so many democrats, not in the senate, but house democrats, part of this delegation from new jersey and new jersey governor, phil murphy, all calling on menendez, the senator who has been here for decades. he's been on the powerful foreign relations committee for years and years now. they're all calling on him to step aside because of these charges, and how serious they could before menendez. menendez, of, course being very defensive, bowing to fight these charges, even saying that outside the forces, these are his words, they're trying to bring him down. he sounds very defiant at this moment, but really, democrats, nobody who has been asked at least are saying that he should stay in this position.

by the way, speaker mccarthy, i just asked him about that as, well of menendez to shut down. they say, of course he should. it's black and, why he should step aside. so really notable here. >> not surprising. not in the same chamber, and also the opposing party. so there's that. okay, julie, thank you so much for that. meanwhile, this breaking weather news to share, also on the east coast. tropical storm ophelia is barreling up the shore after making landfall in north carolina. more than 50,000 customers are without power in that state, as well as virginia. there is the storm surge warning in effect for southeastern virginia, as well as a travel advisory effect and new york city, because of potential flash floods. joining us with more nbc news correspondent, eric lucas, joining us from ocean city, new jersey. how is the looking so far, aaron? >> well,, alex just the last 15, 20, minutes we've had a break in the rainfall here. it's been pretty steady, fairly like most of the day and last nights, but we've had a really significant downpour here about

half an hour or so ago. it hasn't been the reality though for the winds. the wind has been constant in this area, to the point where a lot of people are coming out to experience that. you can see some of the wave action to that we've been watching through the night, and through the day today. there were, there are concerns about coastal flooding in this area. we've seen a lot of beecher roshan if we've been standing here along the shore here over the last several hours. the waves that have been coming and have been growing larger. you can see them kind of refer, if you will, over -- and that has been the reality for a lot of people. they come just to see what it's like. people know that this storm, this, area there is an opportunity for people to come out and take a look before he gets really bad here. i want you to take a look at what people on the boardwalk told us a little while ago. >> it's different, different than the last time. can't really get in the water but it's still fun to see.

>> it's crazy. i loved watching the ocean, it's so wild. >> we've been watching it on the news, i thought, as time to go for a walk, let's see what's open. >> now we've been watching the wind reports that have been coming. and there have been wind gusts in the 60 mile per hour neighborhood here in new jersey, also in delaware. obviously, down south of virginia, north carolina. where the storm came to shore later today. that is something that officials here are going to continue to watch. they are prepared for any inland flooding that may have been once the rain really picks up in this area. really, alex, that is the case as we look at new jersey, pennsylvania, on into new york city. they are trying to prepare as the storm circulates in this area, not just for hours, but well into tomorrow. alex. >> okay,, eric thanks so much. i do see the wind picking up. we have the back of your hoodie their circle even flipping and the wind. stacy, thank you for. that for all of, you we are keeping a close eye on the

southern border. we know the dhs secretary, alejandro, is meeting with honduras. they're going there to meet firsthand with what is happening on the border and we are going to keep a close eye on that on the other side of the break. , for us next to rudy giuliani allegations that came out last week, i don't need to elaborate. former spokesperson for the january six committee gives us her take. we're back in 60 seconds. e back in 60 seconds but, you also can't leave covered in hair. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce. it's the sheet. mlb chooses t-mobile for business for 5g solutions... ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. to help prevent bleeding gums. try saying 'hello gumwash' with parodontax active gum health.

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nbc news confirms that rudy giuliani -- he responded to the allegations yesterday. >> i'm going to sue her, for sure. i already have papers done. i'm not going to give away our case. we have some solid evidence that it did not happen. it has an inherently inconceivable thing to it's, like in the middle of a crowd, in a tent. >> joining me now, former spokesperson for the january six committee, and senior communications adviser for the congressional integrity project. hannah, welcome. cassidy hutchison described giuliani as a wolf closing in on his prey. what these groping allegations have been within the purview of the january six investigation? and you heard about this before the account was published? >> alex, these allegations are discussed, dana disappointing to hear. i am no attorney, so in terms of the purview of what we were looking, at a don't want to get ahead of myself.

i think thinking about this, in the larger context of what cassidy hutchison has gone through, it's really important. there's a reason she was a star witness for us, is because she was a young woman who was in the room with donald trump, rudy giuliani, and others. she heard and saw a lot. one other people, older men, fled the, fifth or didn't comply with subpoenas for the select committee, she came forward, not only spoke to, us but spoke to us in front of 13 million people and national television, telling us things about donald trump's plot to overturn the election that we would not have known before. thinking about how much she went through, these allegations happening, job she had in the white house, it's disappointing. i think that will all be interested to read her, book and hear more about her experience, both during the time she testified, her time in the white house, and a time after that. >> i have to tell you i 100% agree that she's doing exactly

what she described, comparing that with a man who -- and ran away from telling the truth. it is extraordinary. we know in an interview that cassidy did, after her testimony to the 16 committee, that her attorneys told her, are not safe for you to go home. then she had to leave washington d.c. for a few months, in fact. are you concerned that she may face backlash again, following these new allegations? or other january six witnesses facing similar fate safety concerns? >> the select committee was very aware and concerned ourselves about everyone who came to testify before our hearings. especially because of the person who they were making allegations against, donald trump, the former presidents. right? we saw at our hearings, individuals come forward, rudy freemen, sherry moss, who had the ire of the president of the united states, and people like rudy giuliani, and against them. how that really changed in harm

their lives. we were really concerned about cassidy because of the damning testimony that she brought forward. so even more, i was with her on that, day some of those voters that you showed, i am behind her. we took her security on that day very seriously. afterwards as, well we knew that she would have scrutiny on her. i will say, when i am most proud of from her is that she and the select committee stood by her testimony, even one folks were questioning net. because she was a young woman, and she stood by her testimony, she told the truth, and it really change the course of our best to geisha, and brought to light facts that we didn't know before she testified. >> hannah, i want to ask you something that i've wondered about. he said that you were with her during her testimony. you are leading up to the testimony. and when i thought about all that she was prepared for. and eventually did say. i wondered, were her knees we going to. in what was her demeanor, what

is she like, as she knew what she did she know what she phase, faced, to your to your point, 0.13 million americans 30 million americans watching and hanging watching and hanging on her on her every word. everywhere, it's like it or not. like you are not cassidy is smart, she knew what she was doing and the gravity of it. i was really impressed with how she did that,. i was there with her before and during the testimony. i was nervous. , every word she said had to be right, and she had to make sure she stood by. that's i think when we watched her testimony, she did so well, she stood by her testimony that entire time. should literally, well but she was very nervous. . >> she definitely took a deep breath, and spoke herpes. what she recalled. let me ask you about the testimony to the 16 committee in which she said that donald trump was so determined to go

to the capitol that day that he grabbed a secret service agent inside the presidents alamo, donald trump as you know responded to those claims on meet the press last sunday, take a look. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm, said sorry you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we are not going to the capital. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge turn -- >> i did not have a dispute with, him you had that one person saying i had drag wrapped him around the, neck i will show so strong to be able to do. that these were all tough guys, do you dispute that account? >> who would not dispute its? it was the craziest account i ever heard. >> we should note that cassidy was very clear about the fact that it was not a direct something that she witnessed, that it was a second person account she was told what happened.

essentially, as you, know the committees -- inside the vehicle. does that legally give donald trump free reign to dispute hutchinson's claims? >> cassidy told her story which as you mentioned was a story she heard, so it was a second account story. what i will say is that the select committee talked to as many people as we could about this incidents, and we stand by her testimony, and what she said. we believe, her and i presented that information. donald trump lied about one of the 2020 election. i don't know if his word is something that we should trust, or believe. i think as these four different indictments that are happening all now against donald trump come to light and we learn more information about, that's i think it's up to the american people to figure out if they believe what he is saying. the big lie that he won the

2020 election was started by him. the january 6th committee found that he was the center of this multi pronged plan to overturn the, election and his word is not one that has been truthful at all times. >> abc news sources say that another january 6th witness, molly michael told investigators told in the mar-a-lago case that trump told her quote, you don't know anything about the boxes when he found out the fbi wanted to talk to her about the, case nbc -- has not verified that reporting, but when molly michael testified to the january 6th committee, she claimed to not recall much. if this signal she may be talking, what further information much -- against donald trump? >> molly michael has a lot of information. the documents that she turned over to the select committee alone or really helpful because she was donald trump's assistant. a lot of, times people would email her to give things to

donald trump. or, she would email things to individuals on behalf of -- from potus. when it comes to the january 6th case, to overturn the election, she talked to congressman, mo brooks from example emailed her about requesting presidential pardons. she had that information. she talked to people like the doj, she sent to them and formation perpetuating some of the election fraud that donald trump wanted the attorney general to have for example. i think even if molly michael is tightlipped, which she was to us, like you said. she said she did not recall much about what happened on january 6th. her emails and the information that she was privy to through some of that written correspondents could be really consequential and some of these cases. >> is this conversation, thank you so much it's very good to speak with you. i look forward to doing so again. a programming note for all you in her first life interview since her january six committee,

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at the u.s. mexico border, in an escalating humanitarian crisis. their secretary of home land security alejandro mayorkas is out the texas border, and just wrapped up a meeting with the president of honduras. they are meeting coming amid a massive surge of nearly 7000 border crossings per day this month. join me now from mcallen, texas and bases -- once again. what can you tell us about the secretary's visit? and the meeting that he just held with the president of honduras? >> alex, mayorkas spoke about the meeting and what they did today. they were discussing migration of, course coming from honduras. they also spoke about minors

that have come to the united states, and he briefly discussed the undocumented migrants that are arriving in the united states. he spoke about the humanitarian emergency, and also said that they are -- to make sure that border laws are not forcing the united states here, so that was what secretary mayorkas. >> we will work to remove as quickly as possible those who do not qualify for relief. under our law. we are combatting the smugglers, more intensely than ever before by arresting and prosecuting them, disrupting and dismantling their networks, and seizing their properties and funds. >> and that last part was of course referencing the smugglers that take advantage of some of the migrants that make with their way to the u.s. mexico border. the comments made by -- mayorkas is that there are a lot of questions, because there

is an app that has been established by the government for migrants to apply for asylum. this is an app where they have to get an appointment to turn themselves in at the port of entry. this has sort of become something that's really not used by anyone, because these -- we've seen in the last few, days they are mainly migrants that are crossing the river into the united states, illegally, and then turning themselves in. the question is, with the humanitarian crisis that we have, ex and the tens of thousands that are traveling to the border, at is the incentivfosome of these migrants to use the app, and the protocol established by the federalgornment, when they know that crossing the river, and turning themselves in essentially has the sameresult for many of them. i spoke to some of the migrants who have told me over the last two months, they know someone who entered the united states illegally requested asylum, and is now living and the united states, going through the asylum process. essentially a lot of the migrants know that there is a path to skip that protocol, and

that's one of the incentives that is bringing more and more migrants to the u.s. mexico border. there is a question about what type of enforcement is actually being thrown out the border. meanwhile, we still have more that are in central america. this is a crisis that will continue, and will have to be addressed at the border. i? let's >> just extraordinary, as we're looking at focused soros -- of young children, their hands being held so tightly by those adults that are trying to get them across the borders, so they're not swept away in the river occurrence. it is an extraordinary time your covering for, us i thank you for doing so. let's go now to a new strategy this week by the biden campaign, it aims to move -- past if each -- and turn biden's full attention on the threats posed by his former vice president donald trump. the ident this week sending some of his most -- about his, trump is out to destroy american democracy. he's also planning a major

speech about democracy last week, after the second republican primary debate. joining me now is political analyst,ndnity -- welcome it's good to see you. . have a pretty blunt message for henry democrats that are fighting abt e presidents age, and thead poll numbers. here it is. >> chill out. there are better with the strategy, focusing on the of a second trump presidency, that's going to drive turnout for in 2024. the question is, do you think it's the winning strategy? considering some of the headlines that biden faces, that included the poor polling, we are seeing that right now. especially on the economy, which does not really sink up to the reality, but take it away. give me your sense of things. >> thanks, alex i appreciate being on the show. i want to -- pause over around the polling, all of the polling going on right now. polling is going to, change and it's going to constantly. change you know it's going to change? they're probably going to change close to a billion

dollars in this election cycle to move those numbers around. if you look at where biden is right, now he's not that dramatically different from where the president -- who i worked on was at this time, in 2011. obama was running behind mitt romney, and tied or running behind the whole cast of characters who are running at that time. -- i don't worry so much about what the poll numbers are going to separate, now because those -- what i focus on is what the story is. what is the narrative that biden has to tell the american people over the next year if you're so. to be truthful, i worked for, obama but in a lot of ways, biden is even better positioned than obama was in the story than it has to tell. he does have a story to tell about his old age, you know what his agent wisdom has been able to do?

it's been able to be transformative pieces of legislation, that no president has ever been able to do before. when you look at the infrastructure, bill when you look at, ships when you look at all the manufacturing, when you look -- the environmental legislation that he's moved there. you know, and you've talked about it before. all these pieces of legislation are 67% approved. going into 2000, 11 there was not a lot of -- that obama had, aca was underwater. that was as transformative, that was popular at that time. aca is now above, what are people like it now, but at the time it was not. i think when you look at the story that this president has to tell about economy that is better than all of our allies, inflation coming down, i think you have a good story to tell, but he has to tell it over the next couple of months. >> cornell, is that what you are going to attribute the new poll numbers from new hampshire, a story that is to, tell the

accomplishments, because those voters find that in head to head matchups, biden has a whopping 12 point lead over trump. i'm curious what that tells you about what folks in new hampshire are seeing that others are not. there are not typically this far apart. >> well, it's a difference between battleground, polling and national polling. in the, and >> here's my question, is are you saying the difference is the people who are being told? or is it the way the poll questions are being presented. what is the difference? >> it's different, the national poll, the national versus battleground state is going to be different because it represents a state. new hampshire has -- people forget we spent a lot of money in hampshire, the way to hampshire in it or 12, as well, and i think the last time out that it was 52, 40, 5:46.

it's probably going to, but that's a state that's been democrats column now for a couple of elections. you're going to see that, spread if he was running behind big time in a state like new hampshire, which was blow, -- that will be some issues of concern. i think when you look at these battleground straits, especially ones that have been blue last couple of elections, i think you -- it's not surprising to see that the president is running ahead. i think it would be really shocking if a state like new hampshire, where he got 52% in trump got 45%, if he was running way behind new hampshire. that would send up red flags. >> is this something that one white house in campaign advisers look at these numbers, they can think okay, that's the real story out there. we know that this is going to go our, way we know the this fight put hot between joe biden and donald trump, do they have

any reason to do that, or to say oh snapshot? >> i, pause because it is all snapshot. it's constantly changing. the dynamics of this race, they are beginning to unfold. we are still going through a republican primary, now they are honing their attention on, trump and i think it's wise, because i think he's going to come out of the primary, and if it doesn't come out of the, primary whoever comes out of the primary will be really aligned with where donald trump is. i think it's really wise -- but the dynamics of this race are going to unfold. we can't put too much emphasis on warren paul a year out from the election. >> here's something interesting happening this week, pennsylvania's democra governor joshua pirro has nounced that the state is now going to automatically er people to vote when they get a drivers license, or an identification card. vice president kamala harris was in pennsylvania on, tuesday

and here's what some of what she had to say about the decision. >> so, record turnout of young voters in 2020. that scared some people. almost immediately, you started seeing was being proposed, or past two in my opinion intentionally make it more difficult to vote. -- by governor shapiro, where you cannot automatically register where you apply for a driver's, license or get state i.d.. >> p.a. is one of four key got -- how big of an impact will this half, getting voters to the polls, some of course republican strategists are saying it's a naked league parted sin move to get more democrats to the polls. is that a valid criticism? are democrats the only ones getting drivers licenses in pennsylvania? >> let's step back for a moment, and just consider this. we are democracy, --

shouldn't we be making it easier for everybody to be able to vote? shouldn't we want more of our eligible voters actually participating in our election? i don't know how that's a partisan, thing i think that's a democracy thing. now, on the electoral side of, this look, biden won voters under 30 by i think 25 points. obama did the same. when you look at where younger voters are on the issues, from everything from reproductive rights, to the environment, they are very much a from an issue standpoint, where democrats are. come election, time and by the way it's also sinking with what you see in the vice president doing right. now she's on college tour. this is so key. tell your story with those young voters, who they

absolutely need. on election, to unite i'm looking at? if voters under 40 makeup anywhere between 38 and 48% of the electorate, and they break 25, points for the democrats like they had in the, past i don't need this, i know where the election is going to go right then and there. i think what the vice president's, doing is really smart, going out and telling their story, working the, base and young voters are the base of the democratic party. >> real quickly, third -- what jill stein did again, 37 years ago? are you worried about that? >> i am. truth of the matter is, i'm more worried about 2016 happening over again than i am about anything else that donald trump has to say. we know where donald trump is on the issues, most americans do. they've made a decision.

what you will see, and what the third party candidates are quite frankly disgruntled, democrats are voters who would vote democrat. disgruntled voters who have a democrat, especially young voters saying i'm not going to vote for the lesser of two evils, i'm going to vote third-party. that's exactly how donald trump won in 2016, with just 46% of the, vote and you can look at some of these battleground states, we are no further than wisconsin, and look at the difference between hillary clinton and obama, it's all right there in those third-party voters. >> it was a tough thing to watch anyway. thank you so much, we look forward to having you again. cover emotions by some trump codefendants, what he saw is coming your way next. as a california girl, i need to mention that the hollywood sign turned 100 on friday. in the past, century it has become one of the most recognizable states tourist attractions, but when it was first installed in 1920, three

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all the reasons why anyone facing the charges donald trump faces should worry about the possibility of going to jail. hugo is with here >> -- investigations recorded with the guardian, also joining me melissa redmon, from fulton county district -- now law professor at the united varsity of, georgia and nbc news, and nbc legal analyst. good to see. both i go to you first since your right here with me. trump told let's, a kristen welker of course the new meet the press moderator. he does not at all think about going to jail. is that holding up with fact-checker's? >> when he spoke to people in trump's orbit, they say it's not like a day-to-day thing. i think that is, true trump has

a lot of things to worry, about including's campaign, issues all of his legal issues. i don't know if he goes to bed thinking about going to jail per se, but this is something that's come up for him on various, moments when he's about to go to an arraignment, when he's about to go before a judge. that sort of thing has come into -- and you do hear people around trump saying oh you know, the boston not feel so good last night, because he was thinking about, this year saying why are my lawyers not defending, me why are they doing such a terrible job? i think in those moments, sometimes it comes to him. abc news is reporting that miley michaels, she told handwritten notes on documents that were marked classified. she helped er tse documents to the fbi, apparently she came back to clean up her office the next day, after they went to search for things, found a few under some sort of folder in her dusk. she passed him on. is there any word on how the trump camp is reacting to the prospect of her working with the investigations?

>> i think this is something we've been thinking for a while. during the criminal investigation, during the grand, jury with a big suspicion that molly michael was one of the witnesses that was cooperating with the special counsel. i think through some of the legal, team and through a tailspin -- because the thought michael had provided this photo of the 90 boxes in the storage room to prosecutors and, so they were very anxious when they could not speak, and they could not get any information out of her lawyer, so they were flying in the blind. i think the fact that this is coming out, now it sounds like this is the discovery that trump's defense team is receiving, and there is an expectation she could be called for trial. >> you are atlanta recently, with regard to moving from state to federal court. give me your segment of a defense lawyers, what they are accusing prosecutors of doing, which is having political motives. in a legit to that that you are able to discern? >> not at all. i think the two hearings that we had were really, it's going

to be a problem for the people who are trying to move out to federal court because the burden and these cases is on the plane to, on the defendants. they have to show we were acting on the federal office that we were acting within or official duties. they did not appear unlisted, if you don't appear, typically the announcer says you don't need evidentiary burden if you don't meet the burden, you are not going to. move >>, one of the emotions involved, that was filed in georgia this, week it's from donald trump joining his codefendants enablers to -- that being the racketeering charge. it's faced by all 19 defendants. what are his chances of success in this? >> i would imagine not very good. he's alleging -- that he's joined in, that's what they did were not crimes. that the attorneys were acting in consultation with their clients, for a legitimate purpose of challenging the election. basically what the defense is outlining is that if you accept

the state's theory that anyone who challenged the outcome of the 2020 election in georgia, regardless of how they did it, and there are of course alleging that they want about it through legal means, they are subject to being in charge with waco, that is apply to them under those circumstances, that the law could not be constitutional. basically, the state is alleging that they did not go about challenging the election with legal means that they engaged in a pattern of illegal conduct spelled out in the indictment through those hundreds of -- and that they therefore did file -- the engaged in an enterprise, and in doing so they would be subject to the r.i.c.o.. another question from this week, the fulton county d.a. had identified about a dozen week it -- and they included the attorney linwood, who pushed trump's

false election kids back in 2020. she was banned from twitter for doing. that he was on telegram a few days ago, debunking stories that he's -- because he was subpoenaed as a witness, in the city powell case. why would he be a witness if a, he's a trump ally, or be he has a history of crazy tweets? >> well, he may not necessarily have flipped on trump, but he definitely apparently has information that's helpful to the state against their prosecution of sydney powell. the notion that he did testify in a special grand jury, so there was some information that he relayed and that testimony that is helpful, at least in this case. we also know that there were meetings that were conducted on his property. so whether or not he believes that those meetings, they were helpful for this -- or that any illegal conduct happened on his properties, or that he participated in, maybe even the fact that he participated in the, that they

did not hurt. the discussions of the discussions that were held during those times, they will be information that's helpful to the prosecution. >> one other big headline that i want to get your take on from this, week is from abc news as well as the new york times, reporting on the classified documents, case and hisalleged remark to his former assistant miley michael, reportedly declaring you don't know anything about. and nbc news has not confirmed, that's with trump spokesperson said that trump did nothing wrong, but here's another point that was raised by ty cobb,. >> this is the kind of evidence that buttresses the necessity for partially gagging him, because it is a direct insights, since intimidation, and instructions to violate the law. >> quickly melissa, do you agree this information should, or could effect a decision and the gag order? >> yes, e the statements that there is something disparaging

being said about one of the witnesses, and trump was definitely told not to do that, that he would be in violation of it. >> okay, can i quickly get a heads up on what you are looking for here this week? >> well, coming up tuesday in the civil case in new york, we are expecting a decision from judge -- in that case because as soon as tuesday, we can have a ruling on three issues, summary judgments, in the case as well as whether there's legal sanctions, or other -- against trump. this is a really big, case and it's fall under the radar. it's big because it goes to the heart and core of trump's entire new york enterprise. what is being accused of is artificially inflating the square footage of some of his properties in order to get better loans. at the same time, telling the taxman it's much smaller than the -- so this could be a really big deal for him. >> okay, thank you so much, we look forward to seeing you both. again the price of pride, the

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shutdown is looming over capitol hill, yesterday speaker mccarthy sent lawmakers home for the, weekend even though the house has yet to broker a deal on federal spending. joining me now is our good from new york democratic correspond -- and ranking members of the foreign affairs committee, jerry. makes welcomes sir, can i get a sense of war negotiations stand at this hour from you?

what do you know? >> you know, we've been looking at asking, she has been trying to figure it out, it's really unknown. i have to talk to somebody -- and who they should be in. the no they don't know. i think they are looking to do, they've got to come out with a nine different bills, next week for the doj, from the, feds planning. i don't think they will win any one of them. it's really really up in the air, we're not sure, we don't know what's going to happen next week. it's going to be an interesting week. oh, yeah crazy buckle up, several lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, they are saying that the only path forward is a bipartisan bill. do you think speaker mccarthy is prepared to risk political retribution, andach across the aisle to get this done by next week,and then our democrats are willing -- if he does? >> well, he has to come across. we are not going to agree to

some of the ridiculous maga -- that they put in their, let my guys have the question thus far. there is got to be more -- like we had with [inaudible] they moved away from the -- senate has a -- that includes the agreement from the debt ceiling. i would think that they would have to be some negotiations. ahead of -- in that regard. they would have to be, we would have to something that we know of -- with the people, and that just put people over politics, but for the democrats. okay, let's turn to the one ukraine's, or what you know on thursday president zelenskyy paid a visit to the white house as well as capitol hill to ask the u.s. for additional support. zelenskyy faces pushback from a growing number of republicans, but now it seems democrats are also questioning how much the u.s. can do for ukraine, is there a cut off point,?

>> i was in the meeting with president zelenskyy when he came up to be. . there's a lot of things. we have to be patient, the ukrainians are winning this war. we cannot allow vladimir putin to come in and just take solving property, and in fact his goal has always been to divide us, and divide our -- divide us from our allies, nato eu, even our allies in japan, in the south pacific. we've got to stand what's important. looking at it for, leadership we've got to keep that coalition locked in. it's got to stay locked, in because that's how we win in the end. the united states in my opinion needs to stick in there, because what putin is trying to do is wait till the next election. he thinks that he can get a

donald trump, and others who believe more in putin, and russia in the united states, and we have seen that before. the president zelenskyy was very clear on the progress that's being made by the ukrainians, and i have to tell, you ukrainian people have been strong in fighting. if we don't do, that's putin continues to move on, and then he goes into a nato country, now not only will we have to spend money, but we are going to suspend troops on the ground, as of right, now we do not have to send any of our, men or women on the ground. all we have to do is continue to support ukraine. i believe in the, and we will win. >> the courage that he displays unwavering so is quite admirable. let's move on to what happened thuray when he announced that the wheels will allow hundreds of thousands of undocumented venezuelans to work illegally, new york's you all know, it's

one of many states traveling -- with an influx of migrants, give me a sense of your take away from -- who was talking about. this what you see as the best solution, to the problems in new york, and if they can also be reflected in other states across the country that are equally inundated with migrants. >> it was tremendously important. it makes -- as well. you know why people are leaving venezuela? it's because they don't enter the united states. they clearly would be, they should be allowed to work, this will give them that opportunity to work. they should help new york city. we think that about 20 to 25% of those immigrants that are in new york city, they cannot, work they will now be able to work, we don't have to -- -- it's all about getting them to, work absolutely contributing to the society around them. , many many, thanks i'm being

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