the end donald trump's vote is at a ceiling beyond which he probably cannot raise. people aren't changing to trump in 2020. the question is whether people can be convinced that trump is more of a danger and is still worth coming back to be president. >> peter baker, charlie sykes. that does it for this edition of "ana cabrera reports." tonight general saki speaks with nancy pelosi at 8:00 p.m. eastern. at 9:00, rachel maddow sits down with former white house aide cassidy hutchinson. follow us on social media,. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc

headquarters in new york city. senator bob menendez calls it the biggest fight of his political life. he had the knives out for everyone from prosecutors to democrats who say feel a political opportunity. binge watchers and channel surfers rejoice. hollywood appears to be back in business. after 146 days in the picket lines, the writers unions says it struck an exceptional deal with the heads of the studios. what's in it and what does it mean for your favorite shows. families of fbi agents increasingly under threat. prosecutors under 24-hour protection. all of it the result of a toxic mix of overheated rhetoric and an angry and polarized public that officials increasingly fear will explode into violence. how do we turn down that temperature? a lot to talk about today.

we'll start in new jersey where senator bob menendez made it official. not only won't he step down after friday's detailed and devastating indictment on bribery charges, but he claims some yet-to-be revealed facts will exonerate him. the senator didn't do much to explain those facts. instead, surrounding himself with supportive voters and promoting his record in congress. >> to those who are rushed to judgment, you have done so based on a limited set of facts framed by the prosecution to be as sally shows as possible. remember, prosecutors get it wrong sometimes. sadly, i know that. >> all that against a political backdrop that has seen new jersey's democratic governor, the state party chairman and six house members from new jersey pushing menendez to leave congress altogether.

nbc's ally capitol hill. danny cevallos is here with me, a criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. ali, was what we heard today a legal defense or a political one? >> reporter: i leave my legalese to danny here. to me this read as a court of public opinion statement more than just a court of justice opinion from the senator from new jersey. the fact here that he was refuting some key points in the indictment, for instance, trying to explain the cash that was found in some of those jackets as personal funds that he takes out because of his government mistrust from his cuban immigration history. that's one of the explanations that he offered there. no explanation by contrast for the gold bars that were found and shown in this indictment. the other piece of this, though, that i think rang politically was that clip that you just showed. i covered menendez's last election battle, 2018 in new

jersey. ality that point he was facing similar allegations of corruption. he beat those charges in the end. but voters i talked to at the time really felt like corruption was baked into the cake for menendez but they had no alternative if they wanted to vote democrat. the difference here is that menendez has a challenger in congressman andy kim. that's going to be something important as we chart what this race looks like going forward and how democrats react to him. i do think it's important to point out he wasn't explicit in saying he was running for re-election. certainly that's one of the big outstanding questions here. what he did say was he did say when all is said and done, he will remain the senior member from new jersey. this re-election bid would be for next year. you could reasonably say it sounds like menendez is a guy who says i'm not going anywhere in the short term and i'm going to stay around in the long term. we'll see if he makes that

explicit. >> robert, do you think menendez helped himself at all today from a purely political standpoint? >> no, not entirely. i think there are still a ton more questions than there ever are answers. what on earth are you doing googling how much is a gold bar worth? i think there's lots to be answered. my guess is today was much more about focusing on, as we talked about, his political life and surviving the near term future in politics than it was the longer term view of the legal trouble that he's in. i don't think that this new jersey delegation is going to be the last to call for his resignation. i don't think senator fetterman is going to be the only sitting senator that does as well. as you said, the indictment and the details in it are shocking and devastating. i think he is on borrowed time politically. >> danny, what was probably the most, i think, direct denial of a charge, and we have pictures

of wads of cash in one of his jackets, menendez tried to explain why he had all that month any in cash at home. here is what he said. >> for 30 years i have withdrawn thousands of dollars in cash from my personal savings account which i have kept for emergencies and because of the history of my family facing confiscation in cuba. this may seem old-fashioned. these were monies drawn from my personal savings account based on the income i have lawfully derived over 30 years. >> as part of a legal defense, how does it play? >> number one, a client shouldn't give his legal defense from a podium. number two, he said he's been making this withdrawals, part of his defense. he better have the printouts to prove it. number three, it isn't just about cash. it's about gold bars. if you read the indictment, it's a lot more than just being in

possession of cash. there you see a couple of the gold bars right there. the indictment alleges and presumably the government believes it has evidence that somebody gave him those gold bars. i've extended these extortion and bribery cases. under the extortion statute the government needs to prove a quid pro quo, this for that, gold bars for some official act. it's even easier than that. as long as they prove the gold bars or whatever cash was given to the senator, he doesn't even need to follow up with a specific official act as long as there's some promise understood that, hey, as things come up, i'll help you out. in other words, really what the government needs to prove is that somebody gave him money and there was an understanding that some official conduct would happen, maybe sometime in the future. that's how easy it is to prove these cases. they are really tough to defend. >> on that egypt issue, for example, and whether or not there was a quid pro quo, one of

the things he said, and he made it sound like a defense was, well, i've held that country accountable, i've held the head of that country accountable on issues like human rights. does that answer the charge? >> it does not. you can't just counterbalance -- if there is an act of extortion under the statute, a quid pro quo, you can't balance that by saying, yeah, but a few months before i also did something unfavorable to them. maybe that's true. it's going to be a real challenge to defend this. if the government has evidence of the giving and evidence of menendez promising to do something he doesn't even actually have to do it. it's true in 2016 the supreme court did narrow the definition of official act. at the time, commentators including "the new york times" and the "wall street journal" worried this would make it harder to prosecute corrupt officials. that hasn't been the case. i can tell you that firsthand. the government has simply found a workaround. setting up a meeting or making a

phone call may not be enough for an official act. but the government will use that evidence as evidence of intent. this meeting happened and that's proof of what he intended. the government knows this. the southern district of new york knows this. one of the cases that developed the case law following that decision was menendez's own case not too long ago, his first prosecution. >> in his initial statement, robert, menendez says, quote, it is not lost on me how quickly people are rushing to judge a latino and push him out of his seat. as has been pointed out by a number of people, a racial charge can be hard to stick when the person is black. congresswoman oh kasia cortez said this. >> the details in this indictment are extremely serious. they involve the nature of not just his but all of our seats in congress. as a latina, there are

absolutely ways in which there is systemic bias, but i think what is here in this indictment is quite clear. >> robert, if we all believe that largely what was going on today was a political move by the senator to try and at least hold on to his seat while he sees what else he can do in the longer term, do you see that as part of maybe, i don't know, a dart board strategy, see what sticks? >> absolutely. this is a dart board, throw everything against the wall, the kitchen sink, whatever you want to call i; i think there's no doubt if you look through what he said on friday, what he said today, what he said in the past. it's literally a dozen roadblocks to saying why this isn't true and why i shouldn't be held accountable or why this isn't believable. i think the facts are just so overwhelming and so damning. again, i know the first trial ended in a mistrial.

this is not senator menendez's first dance with law enforcement. i do think there are a number of people that have watched this, and they're just tired of it. i love what the congresswoman said there. it doesn't just debase the office that senator menendez holds. it in some ways debases all of those in public service to watch something like this happen. >> it also happens at a time when there's enough going on related to 2024, the comparisons that might be drawn to donald trump and his legal problems. a lot of democrats don't want this. how do democrats handle this? is there some conversations going on at the white house? are they talking to chuck schumer? what's going on, as someone who has been in those rooms, robert, behind the scenes, what's good for the party here? what's good for 2024?

>> yeah, there's no doubt there's been a lot of phone calls over the past few days, over the weekend. i don't have any specific knowledge of what the white house is doing, but i have no doubt that it involves -- these discussions involve a lot of senators. we know there was a meeting in new jersey, some conversations before the governor acted and the congressional delegation came out. my guess is for senator menendez, it doesn't age all that well. the more people sit back and think about this, the more they'll be spurred, quite frankly, to do or say something. there will be a lot of eyes in the next 4 hours on what if anything, cory booker, the junior senator from new jersey has to say about this. as you said, chris, this is all through the lens of, if you're a democrat you can't jump to why this is bad when and if republicans do it. you have to also be able to look in the mirror at your own party and say it's time for someone to go. >> robert gibbs, ali vitali,

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into effect. in there we'll see higher wages l around. we'll see protections over the use of artificial intelligence. that's a sticking pointre also seeing sag. residuals in the streaming era, that's something a lot of these writers and actors, they want to know how many people are actually watching and they want to be paid proportionately to that. we are going to see, according to some sources, some truly groundbreaking concessions from the amptp, the wrieders guild saying this is an exceptional deal. obviously a lot of writers still cautiously optimistic, taking to social media saying sort of, i'll believe it when i see it and i'm looking forward to seeing it. >> i'll get to what this means for the actors union. but before that, what can happen on television as a result just of this one deal? >> of course, how does it affect the viewers at home? daytime, late night talk shows, in theory, those can come back.

but the writers guild of america has to say, you guys have the green light to go ahead and work. they can lift that ban because nothing has been signed. before they sign, they can say you can go back to work. it hasn't happened just yet. maybe as this all comes together this week, next week, you can watch late night shows, your favorite talk shows. bill maher said he was going to come back amid the strike and then he walked it back. when it comes to scripted, though, a lot of these movies, they were shifted in the slate to the spring. doubtful you'll see dune two and gladiator come back. we saw the emmys pushed to january. unlikely that really big changes will happen. you might still be watching some reruns for right now. >> only 30 seconds left, chloe. what about the impact this might have on the actors union? >> it's a great framework. they are actors and they have different demands that we're

going to see. the interesting part about all of this is that the actors haven't even -- the union hasn't started negotiating with the streamers yet. if you can believe that, they went on strike in july. it's unprecedented the amount of time they've been on strike, about 70-something days. amptp has been solely focused on writers. we'll see potentially the big hollywood heavyweights after the holiday come back to the bargaining table, hammer things out. hopefully all of this can be wrapped up before the holidays because so many people are out of work. in all seriousness, 17,000 jobs lost. so many people can't pay their bills. this is important like the l.a. mayor karen bass said, we have to get hollywood, all the tangential industries back up and running. >> billions at stake. chloe, thank you for that. 131 hours are what stands between this country and a government shutdown. with the clock ticking down and the full-on pressure campaign playing out in public and

private to keep millions of federal workers paid, house speaker kevin mccarthy said today conservative holdouts in his ranks are, quote, apparently ready to work. >> we have to keep the government open. people who want to close the government, that only makes it weaker. why would they want to stop paying the troops, the border agents, the coast guard? i don't understand how that makes you stronger. i don't understand the point they want to make. >> co-founder of punchbowl news joining me, anna palmer. is there a sense that at least some of these conservative holdouts in the house are ready to get to work on this? >> i think time will have to tell whether they'll actually be constructive. there's still a lot of the faction, those that -- the matt gaetzes of the world who say they'll probably never support a cr. certainly the fact that donald trump continues to say they shouldn't be doing these continuing resolutions is not helpful to kevin mccarthy.

he does have a pathway forward. they had a call over the weekend. he's trying to cobble together spending agreement and also at the same time trying to move along the lines in terms of separate spending bills. listen, they have not had a good run in the last two weeks. they have had many, many procedural votes fail or have to pull them. it might be a glimmer of hope. we are still heading directly towards a shutdown at this point. >> the way you put it in punchbowl this morning, it says the republicans are, quote, about to pick a slew of political fights they simply can't win, as well as causing an expected government shutdown, handing biden a golden opportunity for portraying the gop as incapable or unwilling of governing. on top of all that, donald trump is weighing in. he tells republicans they should shut down the government if they don't get what they want. put that into the bigger context as well. >> absolutely. i think it's a really smart point which is, one, democrats see this as an opening for 2024.

i think that's why you saw the speaker framing it into -- he doesn't think it's good for anybody to say the coast guard shouldn't be paid, that border agents shouldn't be paid. that is the real-life effects that republicans will grapple with and be responsible for. i do think you're seeing the former president donald trump get much more active on this. you've seen some of the freedom caucus members tweet and say that the president is with them on this one. so that's going to be a good dynamic of how trump plays and how important he is going to be a good thing. remember, when trump was president and they shut down the government, they ended up opening up and didn't get anything for it. i think that's seared in the minds of people like kevin mccarthy. they know it's not smart politics for them ahead of the '24 cycle to have the government shutdown. >> more to come. anna palmer, i have a feeling we'll be seeing each other again. thank you. tonight on msnbc you'll hear from someone who knows a lot

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we've got some new insights for you into why there are flashing red warnings light in a new poll. 59% of voters have major concerns about biden's age, 52% about trump's criminal trials. two of the voters who took part in the poll, though, explained why. on biden, a democratic voter said i know he is 80. i know 80-year-olds are perfectly capable. i worry more about biden's physical health. he seems a little bit feeble, and this job does take a toll. a republican who voted for trump twice said he won't do it again because nothing will get done. he will be litigating the past. it would vote third party in protest. nbc's steve kornacki is live at the big board and nbc's vaughn

hillyard is joining us from south carolina. steve, what are the other new highlights? >> trump vesus biden, it may well be. that's what the numbers of a republican poll suggest. natural trump leading the way with 59%, nearly 60 for the former president. his nearest rival, ron desantis is 43 points behind. this coming in the wake of the first republican primary department. there was talk of the trump would pay a price for skipping that? would the other republican candidates, would one or more rise up and get a big polling boost. the answer seems to be no price for donald trump and no gain for anyone else. the last time we took a poll,

trump was barely at 50% on the republican side. his support has only gone up. when we polled this match-up in the spring, trump led desantis by only 15 points, between april and now trump's lead over desantis has tripled. his grip on the republican party only seems to be growing stronger. in a head-to-head match-up, if republicans go ahead and nominate trump, we have the race tied, 46 for trump, 46 for biden. remember biden did win the popular vote in 2020 by 4.5 points over trump. our poll here suggests trump a little tighter than the popular vote finished in 2020. the big difference between 2020 and a potential '24 rematch, of course, biden would be the incumbent this time around. here is what the public thinks of the incumbent right now, 41% job approval rating. 56% disapprove. that's the highest disapprove number we have yet measured for joe biden as president. a big source of this, as you

just showed here, when we asked folks to add up, not just a major concern, a major or at least a moderate concern, that number for biden rises to nearly three out of four voters. 74% say his age and fitness is a major or moderate concern. for trump and the criminal trials and charges, it's 62%. i think strikingly as well, joe biden is 80 years old. donald trump this summer turns 77. numerically there's only a three-year gap. look at the gap in terms of concern, 76% for biden, for trump, only 47 person with major concerns on his age and physical fitness. >> let me go to vaughn because donald trump has a campaign event where you are, in south carolina, at 00. as he increases his lead over fellow republicans in this poll, you have new reporting about

anti-trump efforts that are, as the headline puts it, floundering. what can you tell us? >> reporter: they're taking part in prayer which is the quietest part at a trump rally. our new reporting sheds light on the frustrations amongst some of trump's rival campaigns about the lack of spending by outside organizations specifically to take down donald trump. you'll recall earlier this year there was the club for growth. the club for growth had a donor retreat in west palm beach, florida, in which five of the presidential candidates came down to talk with donors. a commitment was made to ensure that donald trump was not going to be the gop's nominee in 2024. fast forward, we're here in september of 2023, less than 3 1/2 months to the iowa caucus, and we have seen no major outside spending organization taking on donald trump explicitly. we have not seen even any of the

candidates super pacs. most of the money was spent over the course of the summer. so far in september, chris, we've seen just $5,000 in spending by club for growth, anti-trump spending. this hits hard with strategists involved in the campaign, questions over whether donald trump is even beatable. i was talking to a fund-raiser in arizona who said she was flirting with the idea of helping to fundraise for ron desantis. at this point in time when she's talking to donors, she said she couldn't tell them there's a viable alternative to donald trump, essentially making the case that he is the best bet for somebody's money if they want a republican in office. that's where, when you come to a place like south carolina, donald trump holding significant leads over home state individuals like nikki haley and tim scott. listen to two of the voters we talked to just a few moments

ago. >> i love nikki haley. i love tim scott. >> you love them? >> they're great people. i love trump more. >> he's given us an example, in the four years he lead, an example of how he would lead, bring jobs back, force companies to come back to the u.s. >> even though you've gotten to know nikki haley and tim scott on a personal level, been in the news every day for you. >> absolutely. >> you still say -- >> better the devil you know than the devil you don't. >> reporter: i talked to another adviseser, chris, from another campaign who said they believe there will be increased spending to boost the trump alternative once we get closer to the iowa caucus. the question is will the field consolidate. if you're looking at donald trump, you see in those polls his favorability ratings across the country. it's a tough bet, especially when you're trying to take on

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as the criminal cases against donald trump hea, so does the rhetoric against people who have anything to do "the new york times" notes that precutors on all four trump cases now need around-the-clock pr fbi agents have reported t families, including children, face harassment. a woman even called in to the chambers of a judge warning, quote, we are coming to kill you if trump isn't re-elected. also disturbing, a survey by the university of chicago found that the number of americans who believed that the use of force was justified to restore donald trump to the presidency has actually increased since his first federal indictment. michael schmidt, new york times national correspondent is on the

byline of that report. also with us, david jolly, former congressman from florida and an msnbc political analyst. >> michael, there was so much attention paid to federal officials, state officials, local officials, some hope that it would back down. i wonder what you're hearing from authorities about how bad this problem has actually become. >> i think one of the reasons that we wanted to write this story and wrote this story is it just seemed like whether you were a scholar, someone who studied current trends in american public opinion, a law enforcement official, a politician or simply someone just covering all of this like we were, it seemed like there was a moment here where a lot of people are ringing alarm bells about the danger that trump's rhetoric could cause. there was a filing by jack smith a week ago friday where he laid

out some of the consequences of trump's rhetoric and the different perils it could pose either for his trial or for the security of people. so what we're trying to do here is to try and capture this moment where a lot of people are saying, hey, we need to be paying attention to this, while also sort of documents all the different examples of the way this has manifested itself, whether that's in security details for high-ranking prosecutors or in arrests made by the justice department and examples of how people are tried to pull off violence. >> david, i want to look at those numbers again that we just talked about. i suppose on one hand you can look and say, okay, 7% of americans agree that force is now justified to restore trump into office. two things, one that we already

mentioned, that that is a growing number. second is one of the big concerns is could it be a lone wolf. it doesn't take 50% of the population for something bad to happen. i wonder what you see when you see those numbers and read the kind of reporting that michael is doing. >> i agree with those insights, chris, and i would add one more. i think the important development here is we have known for years about the threat of white nationalism as a source of violence in the united states. our own homeland security and other intel agencies have continued to warn about that. you can think of proud boys, oath keepers and others. what michael's reporting has uncovered is not just white nationalism, but the partisan candidate motivation. yes, 7% says violence could be used to restore donald trump to office is important. the opportunity for a lone wolf to act is important, and i think we should heed the alarm bells that are going off about the former president's comments. when he says, if you come for

me, i'll come for you. when he threatens judges, the media, political opponents, the likelihood of a lone wolf attack or an organized uprising that includes violence is real. i think we're in a dangerous moment. as long as donald trump uses his political leadership to expose his enemies' list. donald trump has said here they are, go get them, it creates a dangerous environment. >> if you detail some of the people who have faced this kind of harassment and threats and their families and their children, we should not forget, michael, real people are on the o other side of these threats. this is cassidy hutchinson, of course, one of the star witnesses of the january 6th hearings. she'll speak to rachel tonight about what she experienced after coming forward. here is a little bit of what she told cbs. >> my life changed in the way i was living my life. >> you couldn't go back to your

apartment? >> i couldn't go back to my apartment. i ended up moving to atlanta for several months. >> they didn't even think it was safe for you to stay in d.c.? >> no, no. >> i wonder, michael, if you've heard this could have a chilling effect against other witnesses in the case against the former president and what they're telling you about what their biggest security concerns are right now. >> i think this is one of the things that was laid out in the jack smith filing and that people have concerns about which is that, is trump's rhetoric going to have influence on things on top of violence? could it have an influence on a jury pool. could it have an influence on witnesses? jack smith's office was asking for a limited gag order to try and limit some of trump's rhetoric and what he could say. at the end of the day, i think this is a multi-pronged problem where you have someone that has

such a megaphone like donald trump and he's using that to get his supporters riled up and to direct their eyre at a certain group of people, that can be extraordinarily powerful. it's created this issue here that is a difficult one to deal with, because in this country we have the first amendment. this is someone running for president and at the same time that rhetoric is creating a lot of additional precautions that have to be taken to protect people. so it's a highly vexing problem. >> some more great reporting from michael schmidt and his colleagues and former congressman david jolly, thank you both. next hour the legal implications of the revelations in cassidy hutchinson's new book and what it could mean for her old boss, mark meadows. up next, the legal battle

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it is day two of the trial where carry lake, former gubernatorial candidate in arizona is asking for the envelopes and signatures from the ballots. she wants to analyze 1.3 million ballot returns to support her ongoing claims she won the election that she ultimately lost. maricopa county is talking about harassment they faced over false elect related conspiracy theorys. inalabama, black voters are one step closer to having a chance to impact the makeup of congress. today is the deadline for an independent special master to submit new congressional maps because the u.s. supreme court told alabama republicans to draw maps that include two majority black districts or something

close to it. they chose not to do that. with me now is nbc's jane tim. eric holder has called the current alabama map shameful. he says it denies equal rights to black americans. what is it at sake here, and what are we watching for? >> so when we see these new maps, a handful of maps that the court can choose from, you can see in the top line, democrats are going to likely get another shot at a seat in congress because black alabama voters tend to vote democratic, which is why these state republicans have been fighting so hard to keep these majority white seats where they can continue to have their elected officials. you're also going to see these maps change every else. there are two black majority seats in the state. how the lines can drop, they can double bump incumbent, put a whole number of different politics at play in the state. >> explain the numbers, though, in pure, sheer numbers.

the way they drew these maps, it was to minimize black voters who represent, what, 25%? >> a little over 25% of the state, and they had one out of seven congressional seats. just really stark numbers. i mean, advocates say this would have been a textbook case of the voting rights act put to the supreme court, so they were delighted to find the supreme court rule on it. a lot of states were considering issues like this, cases like this. >> and so could this have implications for other cases, georgia, louisiana? >> absolutely. texas, even florida, i think, with one case. there can be control of congress could be decided by cases like these. >> jane tim, always great to have you on set. thank you, i appreciate it. the debate over school resource officers. why some schools are hiring them back after letting them go following george floyd's death. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. nly on mc eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste.

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there's a growing debate right now over whether police officers belong in schools. in the wake of the george floyd protests, many districts across the country eliminated those jobs over concerns of racial bri bias, but now some of those schools are bringing the officers back. nbc's priscilla thompson with a look at why. >> two lockdowns within a week at capital high school in olympia, washington. >> reporter: a 15-year-old student was arrested around 9:30

this morning. >> any time i get a message like that i'm concerned. >> reporter: here and at schools across the district, there are no on-campus police. in the wake of george floyd's murder in 2020, olympia and dozens of other school districts across the country decided they no longer needed school resource officers, known as sros. in olympia, some parents are now fighting to bring them back. >> this is something we need to address immediately. >> reporter: frank deroacher has two kids in schools in the district and is running for school board. >> these are specially trained police officers that have gone through direct training to know exactly how to best approach these students in these situations. >> reporter: the school board now moving to reinstate them, and they're not alone. denver public schools got rid of its sros in 2020. >> we begin with another shooting and another sad

commentary on violence. >> reporter: after two school shootings, the district brought them back this year. they have also returned to certain districts in california, maryland and virginia. >> not all students feel safe with armed police officers on campus. >> talana reed is on the olympia school board, and opposes school police, even after those guns were found on campus. there are parents who say these officers do make kids safer. what do you say to them? >> reporter: their children may be safe -- >> their children may be safer but they're from a different demographic. >> reporter: research shows black students are involved in 80% of violent police encounters in schools, and students with disabilities, more than 25%. a concerned voice by students in olympia. >> i as a student am not at all comfortable with police walking the same halls as me. >> reporter: as parents work toward a common goal. >> we need to have the trust that our kids are going to a safe place. >> reporter: at the end of the day, it's about protecting.

>> reporter: with different solutions. priscilla thompson, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. ♪♪ at this hour, right on, hollywood's green writers in studios reach a tentative deal to end the historic strike has paralyzed the film and television industry for 146 days. so what's next, and could a deal with actors be close behind? and now that indicted senator bob menendez has said he will not resign, will other democrats join john fetterman in calling for him to step down? is he just the first domino to fall? plus mexico strikes a deal with the u.s. to depressurize areas along the border, including one texas city where nearly 9,000 migrants have arrived. and fuel for talks, auto