pennsylvania. these are all members of the senate who have said that it's time for senator menendez to step down. jose, you and i watched that yesterday. he was defiant in his belief that he had no reason to step down. he said he will be the sitting senator from new jersey once this legal trouble is behind him. right now, many of his colleagues here in washington simply do not agree. >> ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on social media. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," president biden heading to michigan at this hour to make history, walking the picket lines with auto workers while facing a barrage of criticism from former president trump who is heading to detroit tomorrow. this hour, the walls are closing in on embattled senator

bob menendez, with 13 senate democrats, including his closest colleague, new jersey's fellow senator cory booker, calling for him to resign, along with the former speaker of the house last night. >> because the skepticism that exists in our country about governance, about this represent party that doesn't believe in governance, we have to stay focused on that. for that reason, it would be a good idea if he did resign. congress is in town with no solution to keep the government open when time runs out in four days, with millions of federal workers worries about their future, funding of ukraine also in the balance. highlights from an interview with cassidy hutchinson. >> mr. giuliani's remark in response to your allegation

about him, which is graphic and gross, was that this was a disgusting lie against him. do you stand by that statement? >> i stand by my statement and what i described in the book. i agree it was gross. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a really busy day. air force i is on its way to michigan, where we expect president biden to join the picket line in support of auto workers as the self-described most pro-union president in american history tries to solidify support after a string of bad poll numbers, including on the economy. ahead of formers president trump's trip there tomorrow. gabe gutierrez is near the picket line. it's a big 48 hours for the president, auto workers and president trump.

it's all happening in "andrea mitchell reports." >> reporter: the white house says this is the first time a sitting president has visited a picket line. president biden did it as a candidate in 2019. this is the first time while he is in office. we expect him here in michigan in a short time. as you said, this comes as former president trump is also planning to come to michigan tomorrow. plans to skip the debate and address union workers here in michigan. just today, posting on social media what he sees as -- what he calls what is indefensible from president biden. calling out the administration for the support of electric vehicles. the trump campaign saying that will cost union jobs. certainly, some of the workers we have spoken to here have some concerns about the future of the auto industry when it comes to electric vehicles. former president trump spoke

about what he thinks is behind president biden's decision to come to michigan. he spoke about it yesterday at a rally in south carolina. take a listen to what he had to say. >> he is selling our automobile companies, everything, right down the tubes. i announced i'm going to michigan. then he announced 20 minutes later, i'm going to michigan. that's where the people that run the country told him he has to go. he is not calling the shots. >> reporter: the white house denying that the president's decision to come to michigan had anything to do with former president trump. the white house saying that president biden's coming here at the invitation of shawn fain. some support him considering he was elected to shake up the status quo. they see this as larger than just the uaw. this is labor's moment.

that's so key for president biden, because he calls himself, as you mentioned, the most pro-union president ever. for president biden, this is an extremely -- the political spotlight is on him, especially since whatever the outcome of the negotiations, by being here on the picket lines later today, he is essentially owning the outcome no matter the outcome. >> yeah, gabe. in fact, what he risks doing is upsetting donors and business community people who might break for him instead of donald trump. what you see is the general election played out here. trump won michigan in 2016 and lost it in 2020. there lies the story. breaking news from washington. senator cory booker of new jersey calling on senator bob menendez to resign. in a statement today, senator booker writing --

he joins a dozen other colleagues, 13 in all now, calling for menendez to step aside. senator menendez is vowing he will not leave office. he is defiant. last night, nancy pelosi spoke to jen psaki about whether menendez should step down. >> in we're going to say if you are indicted, you should resign, we have a situation in the house, as you know, from the state of new york, that that would hold, too. right now, sadly, because of the challenges that we face, because the skepticism that exists in our country about governance, about this republican party that doesn't believe in governance, doesn't believe in science, wants to take down everything to give tax breaks to the wealthiest, we have to stay focused on that. for that reason, it would be a good idea if he did resign.

>> joining me now is former congressman tom malinowski. do you think this is the time for him to step down? >> i do. the democratic party in new jersey has come out and asked him to do it. senator booker, of course, is of all of us the one personally closest to senator menendez over the years. this is a very important statement that he made. i'm sure it wasn't easy for him to make. but he speaks for absolutely all of us. we can't go out and tell the american people to be troubled by donald trump's indictments and not to vote for him and turn around and say, but ignore this when it happens to a powerful person in our own party. yes, it is time. >> of course, the governor murphy came out in favor of him resigning on friday when he saw the indictment, as did andy kim and several other members of congress, senator booker just within the last half hour. this was a hard decision for

him. he was right behind him, as was governor murphy, the last time this happened when he was indicted previously. those charges were dropped after it was a hung jury, a mistrial. >> i think this one looks very different. >> is that because of the nature of the charges that are spelled out in what is called a speaking indictment? >> yeah. the conduct described in the indictment isn't just reprehensible, it's comprehensible to americans. he will absolutely have a chance to explain all of this and to defend himself in court. he is entitled to the presumption of innocence in that context. we do have a higher standard for people representing us in washington. i think this clearly represents something that we just can't have. >> his defense of all the cash, the gold bars and all being in

his house were that coming from the cuban american community, he is fearful of government confiscation. he has been repeatedly taking cash out of his savings account over the years, over 30 years, and stashing it in his house. is that credible? >> i'm a refugee from a communist country myself. no, it doesn't strike me as very credible. if it's true, then presumably he will have bank statements to demonstrate it. i don't think most of us look at that as a very credible explanation right now. >> you were previously in the state department and a member of congress. you were involved with foreign policy and the kinds of negotiations that go into funding egypt. what are your concerns about him being the senate foreign relations chairman, which he had to step down from as a democratic rule, but what may have transpired regarding egypt? >> he was in this period. it happens when i was in the

house, i was the co-chair of the egypt human rights caucus. i was trying to restrict aid to egypt. i thought we get a bad deal, it diminishes the united states to act as if he with are dependent on, we need this corrupt, brutal dictatorship that president sisi runs inegypt. we passed a bunch of provisions in the house that restricted aid, that challenged the human rights record of the egyptian regime. most of which disappeared when it went over to the united states senate. i don't know what happened. but i know senator menendez was in that room. you can imagine how i feel knowing now that he may have had this corrupt relationship with the egyptian government. >> would you consider trying to run for his senate seat if he does step down or is removed? >> i have not made that decision. i think all of us right now have been trying to unite around a common call that he should

resign. if he doesn't heed that call, he will not be the nominee in new jersey. that would be a terrible mistake and it's not going to happen. i think we need to come together and try to figure out who the most credible alternative is once he, in fact, does step down. >> the former congressman, former top state department official, it's very good to see you. impact statement. four days to go, a potential government shutdown. a look at what it might mean for millions of veterans around the country and for all the rest of us taxpayers. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. e waa mitchell reports" on msnbc constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. ( ♪♪ ) constant contact. helping the small stand tall. what did we do before viasat satellite internet? well... we borrowed. we borrowed the internet. but that was before viasat came out with all their new plans.

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end kevin mccarthy's speakership, which is partly the entanglement. joining me now ryan nobles and ali vitali and sabrina siddiqui. the speaker's behind you, ali. can we listen in to what he is saying? >> reporter: i will let you listen in. this has been an ongoing gaggle with the speaker. i'm going to maneuver further into. he has been giving us updates. i will let you listen to a bit of that. >> schumer is the leader. if he listened to his governor, they would want it. all it takes is the president to acknowledge, the border is a problem. let's do that. let's solve this border problem and work and finish the rest of our business. >> are you ruling out a clean cr without any -- >> you know what's so concerning

here? what do you tell the families that tomorrow morning will wake up and their child is dead because fentanyl came across? what are you going to tell to that border agent that you saw the other day, his network doesn't believe it, but he is all in blood. the cartels, billions of dollars they are making, or the young girls that get raped. >> what do you tell the workers who are concerned they will get furloughed next week because there's no agreement? >> it's easy. all the president has to do is say, you know what? as one of my fundamental jobs as president of the united states is to secure our border. it's not secure. >> speaker mccarthy, if we see the rule votes fail later today, is it possible to even move on to a cr for you? >> yeah. i never give up. >> i know that. but do you think you have the votes? >> i have a lot of things i can try. >> are you willing --

>> reporter: we have been going in circles with the speaker as he has been answering our questions about his plan forward. i think what's so difficult about this, andrea, is the fact that the speaker at this point has a plan. they want to put forward these four individual spending bills as sort of a show of good faith to his conservative flank that have been so difficult to deal with and get on board during this spending fight. mccarthy telling me at the end that he wasn't even entertaining the idea that these rule votes today could not pass. we have seen them go down in the past. it's an embarrassment for leadership when it happens. it's rare because they try to do the vote counting before. for mccarthy, so much of this plan to buy himself more time on a continuing resolution has to do with actually passing these four individual spending bills later today. my understanding is that some of the past holdouts now seem to be on board. we will see when people actually get on the floor and push comes to shove for voting. they need to do those spending

bills and try to move on to a continuing resolution. all of this to buy more time and not shut down over the weekend. >> great scramble there, ali. it's minority rule among house republicans, ryan. the speaker facing a dilemma. he is trying to save his job. he is trying to keep the government open. i'm not sure which is more important to him right now. where do things stand? >> reporter: ali raises an important point, is that when you ask him a specific question about how he is going to get ash this impasse, he just answers with platitudes like he never gives up. give us some insight into how you will never give up. it's a small faction of hardline conservatives holding up this process. what mccarthy hopes to do is begin the process of passing the appropriations bills and the ones on the docket are things that have to do with funding for the department of defense, department of homeland security, state department and the

departmentof agriculture. the version of these bills have absolutely no shot of passing the senate. in many ways, this is just a show, an effort to give conservatives something as they move forward in the process. president biden yesterday was very clear that if the government shuts down, in his mind, it's because of what house republicans have done to hold up the process. take a listen. >> we made a deal. we shook hands. this is what we're going to do. now they are reneging on the deal. funding the government is one of the most fundamental responsibilities of the congress. if republicans don't start doing their job, we should stop electing them. >> reporter: it's what he said at the beginning that's very important. he thought they had a deal. you will remember during the debt ceiling negotiations, they settled on top line numbers for the appropriations packages. how much they were willing to

spend. all they had to do was figure out where it was going. obviously, house republicans feel as though that was too much, that was made as part of the deal. that's why they are backing out. many conservatives saying they never agreed to that deal. this is the bind kevin mccarthy finds himself in. if he cuts a deal with democrats -- that's the only way to avoid a government shutdown -- then he risks his speakership. there's a good chance conservatives move the motion to vacate which could topple his speakership speakership. >> sabrina, the senate is drafting its bill. rand paul won't vote for theirs. ukraine is being held hostage as well as the rest of the u.s. government, all of america being held hostage. you know so well is that this is going to cost the united states billions of dollars. short-term shutdown, long-term shutdown, it's billions of

dollars and a credit rating downgrade. >> we have seen the white house now increasingly warning of what the potential impacts of a government shutdown would look like. service members going without pay, federal workers being furloughed, the faa has been dealing with a shortage of tsa workers, that problem could be exacerbated, more delays at airports across the country, a halt on cancer and alzheimer's research, food safety inspection. the list goes on and on. the ukraine piece is significant. we saw ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy here in washington last week really imploring lawmakers and the white house for that additional aid. this comes at a critical time where the counteroffensive in ukraine has been bogging down. there is really a need for more funding to keep that wartime effort and that momentum going. there's broad bipartisan support

for more aid to ukraine in the senate. it will be interesting to see not only if that additional funding is included in a stopgap measure or maybe perhaps is it lower than what the president has asked for or is that a red line the white house is not willing to accept? >> sabrina siddiqui, what a mess. ryan nobles, sabrina siddiqui, thanks to both of you. after a year of silence, a star witness has a warning for the republican party. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. mess. mess

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cassidy hutchinson, the star witness of the january 6 committee hearings, is urging republicans to oppose donald trump in 2024. in an interview last night, the top aid to mark meadows spoke exclusively about what she saw inside the white house during the chaotic last days of the trump administration. >> are you describing what appeared to you to be either mishandling of classified information or mishandling of presidential records, which is not allowed? >> the final days, obviously, was chaotic in a number of ways. i was under the impression -- i know there were several of my colleagues that were under the

impression that how classified documents were being handled were not within proper protocol. with saying that, i think it speaks also just to how reckless and careless much of the administration was, not taking classified document protocol seriously a lot of the time. we have seen that with mr. trump as well. specific to my experience with mr. meadows in the final days of the administration, i talk about it a lot in the book, to shed light on how chaotic things were, but i can't really speak to what he was doing. i would leave that as a question to him. >> joining me now are jonathan lemire and "new york times" opinion columnist david french. jonathan, an incredible interview last night with cassidy who witnessed the key final days, she lived it inside the white house.

she said republicans must reject trump. she says she loved donald trump. she was a loyal republican. she describes herself as a george w. bush, ronald reagan republican. >> that's what's so damning here. of course, we all got to learn who cassidy hutchinson was a year ago. she testified before the january 6 house committee. she, like so many other of the star witnesses who delivered incriminating testimony, they are republicans. that's what made what they said carry that much more weight. these weren't democrats. for the most part, these were loyal trump administration officials who broke with him only around january 6 and the actions of that day. now she's here, and doing media tours to support her book. suggesting the nation can't go down that path again. donald trump would be a danger to the republic were he to be elected again.

in that exchange, she paints a scene of chaos and at times anarchy, which we knew in real time. she illuminated that further. the mishandling of classified documents a part of it. as trump and meadows, didn't in the dark days of the pandemic, they weren't focused on helping the country. they were trying to stay in power. >> she describes these extraordinary -- december 18, 2020, when rudy giuliani was there, lawyers were there, she was trying to get mark meadows back, she let them out. it was close to midnight and stayed late because they were still there with the president all at that point -- he was arguing over impeachment -- not impeachment, over whether the insurrection act and things like that -- david french, here is an

exchange. >> i believe that the republican party needs a strong conservative party. i do not believe that mr. trump is a strong republican. in this next election cycle, in my opinion, it's the make or break moment for the republican party. now is the time, if these politicians, these men and some women that are currently in congress, want to make the break and want to take the stand, they have to do it now. we can't wait any longer for them to do it. i don't know why they are so willing to support him. i think it's extremely disappointing, and it is not a hard issue to take. we are talking about a man who at the very essence of his being almost destroyed democracy in one day. he wants to do it again. >> david, this was not easy for

her. she had a working class background, no money in her bank account and had given up the free legal support that was being offered by the trump wing. >> yeah, absolutely. she showed far more courage than a lot of these -- here she is in her 20s, this major political job and she showed so much more courage than a lot of these older aides all around trump who had been life-long republicans who bragged about their political toughness. one thing she's right about is 2024 is a defining moment. the only thing i would say is in a weird way that might be a bit optimistic. i'm not sure that if trump loses that he will go away, he won't come back again in 2028. i think he will keep being a major player in the gop, certainly if he wins the election. until he decides to step away from politics.

i think this test that you are constantly seeing applied to the gop is -- it's going to keep -- the test is going to continue. it's really shocking to me -- it's sad to me that you have person after person who has seen trump up close, like she has and many others who have seen him up close and they say, he is dangerous, don't put him near power, and the million of people who have only seen him from a distance say, she's got to be wrong. >> in fact, here is another excerpt from her interview where she talks about what decided her, which was january 6, trying to overthrow the election. let's watch. >> do we want people who have already shown that they are willing and want to overthrow an election, for a duly elected president, which is the pinnacle of our democracy, do we want to put people like that back in power? do we want to put people back in

power that have mishandled and have been shown to mishandle the most sensitive national security secrets that our nation has? >> david, you want to comment? >> look, we're in a position where if you look at the strength of the mar-a-lago documents case, if it was anybody not named donald trump, they are desperate for a plea deal. if you have this kind of evidence, these kind of facts, the last thing you want to do is go before a jury and face the federal sentencing guidelines, being convicted on these counts. that's not where we are. there's no way donald trump is going to be seeking a plea deal. we will have this trial out. probably before the election. it's going to be one of two or three that will be probably before the election. i have to confess. even if trump is convicted, it will not shake him with the gop. i think it will shake him with independents. i don't think it will shake him with the gop. there's so much groundwork being laid within the gop that the

doj, everything involving the doj is corrupt, that i don't think they will even credit a conviction. >> jonathan lemire and david french, thanks to both of you. we have breaking news. president biden has just arrived in michigan where he will join striking workers on the picket line as he stands with the united auto workers in michigan. you see him on the receiving line. debbie dingell is greeting him. she's going to be coming up and talking to us as soon as the presidential motorcade leaves. stay with us. the funding for the fight against russia in ukraine becoming one of the major stumbling blocks on capitol hill to avoid the shutdown. national security council senio next on that and more. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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billions of dollars in ukrainian aid are on the line as a handful of hard right house republicans are insisting they won't vote for a short-term spending bill that includes any money for ukraine. there's support in the senate for ukraine funding, except for republican rand paul of kentucky, who says he will refuse to vote for anything that includes money for the war. stalemating congress, despite president zelenskyy's in-person appeal to them a few days ago, that failure to provide the money would mean ukraine loses

to vladimir putin. all of this with the congressional deadlock, meaning a government shutdown is four days away and increasingly likely. joining me is john kirby. you have your job cut out for you, whether you are getting paid off a shutdown or not. you would say you are essential. look at what's going to happen in a couple of days. president zelenskyy met personally with these senators last week. kevin mccarthy wouldn't let him address all the congressmen as he asked to. what signal is that sending to vladimir putin? >> i think it sends a potential signal to putin that all he has to do is bide his time, keep grinding out the counteroffensive, hold on to the territory in ukraine and maybe ukraine won't have the support it needs to continue to succeed on the battlefield. maybe america will walk away

from this. it's flawed. we have seen terrific support in both houses of congress and by both parties, frankly, for continuing to support ukraine. the leadership in the house, though there's a vocal minority led by guys like matt gaetz, the leadership feels the same way. we will keep working with members of congress. we believe there's got to be a way forward to continue to support ukraine. >> at the same time, right now it's critical on the ground. the counteroffensive did not go as well as they expected or hoped for. they are grinding it out. every little bit helps. we are getting the atacms to them. they have to arrive. they have to be trained. they are expected to be very potent. how does this match what's happening on the ground? >> your point is a good one. every little bit does help. we don't want to see this support to ukraine dry up or affected in any significant way.

it's important for people to remember -- we believe we have terrific support on capitol hill right now. important for people to remember that the united states is the largest contributor to their success. if we walk away from this, their success could betalked about th counteroffensive. they are making steady progress, particularly down in the south. we want to make sure that they have all the means available to continue that steady progress. a lapse in funding for ukraine or any significant cut would absolutely have a negative affect on their ability to succeed. >> in past, they passed bills protecting service members. our troops would work without pay. what does that do to morale? >> it's a horrible blow to morale. these troops will -- they signed up to defend their country, they will do their job and do it proudly. but it's not going to come

without pain, particularly for their families. you have to buy groceries, you have to be able to pay the mortgage, pay the rent, pay bills out in town for power, water, all that is affected if you hold up their pay. nobody joins the military to get rich. these folks are doing it out of patriotism and a love of country and an opportunity that being in uniform gives you. those paychecks matter to those troops. particularly to their families. >> the army, the navy, air force are warning they will miss their recruitment opportunities. they will miss their goal. you have the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley, he is retiring saturday. donald trump has called him a traitor, posting the other day that some steps that milley took would in the past have been punished by death. is that the way to speak to a four star like general milley as he is about to retire? >> i have known general milley a long, long time, since before he was a general.

i served alongside him in various capacities. you are not going to find a gentleman, an officer, a leader who loves his country more than mark milley, who has contributed more to our national security in the last 15 years, in peace and in war, than mark milley. he deserves the gratitude of this country. the president is looking forward to being at the ceremony to wish him a farewell and see him off into retirement and thank him on behalf of the american people for his service and his sacrifice, and that of his family. his family served with him. they have been loyal patriots. anything less than that, anything less than a very, very generous thank you for all that and a sincere sense of gratitude for his service does him a disservice to what he has done for this country. >> before i let you go, i do need to ask you about the cloud over the senate foreign relations committee. the chair is going to not be senator menendez.

this puts a cloud over money that did and did not go to egypt and what may have happened as alleged in this -- now we have 14 senators aligning saying that he should step down. as america is being looked at around the world. is it appropriate for him to step down? >> i think that's something for the senator to speak to. we are not going to take a position on that here. we think he did the right thing by relinquishing chairmanship of the committee. this is a very active investigative effort. it wouldn't be appropriate to wade in from the white house. what i can assure the american people is that president biden will stay focused on our national security interests around the world, that includes north africa and our relationship in the middle east and egypt and that part of the world. we will stay focussed on the job at hand. we will work with congress,

including the senate foreign relations committee, as appropriate to make sure we can meet our security commitments. >> thank you very much, john kirby, on all things. >> yes, ma'am. good to be with you. we have more breaking news. the federal trade commission and 17 states announcing that they are jointly suing amazon, accusing the company of illegally monopolizing online retail and saying amazon's actions block sellers from lowering their prices. amazon hitting back in a statement accusing the ftc of departing from its mission, adding the lawsuit is, quote, wrong on the facts and law and we look forward to making that case in court. walk the line, president biden arrives in michigan to lend support to striking auto workers. we will talk to debbie dingell who just greeted the president after he landed in michigan. that's next right here. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. . y so i can keep working my magic. just one aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted pain relief.

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they are good men and fighting for the workers. >> is there a risk in alienating the industry and also one of the big issues, of course, is electric vehicles, that conversion, donald trump is making a huge deal out of that. he is coming there tomorrow. that's a key part of the inflation reduction act is the climate aspect, dealing with climate change and electric vehicles. >> i'm going to take this head on. i did talk about it with the president. i said this that the president and i are seasoned enough that we remember the '70s. i was a young worker at general motors. the domestic auto manufacturers were not prepared, did not anticipate consumer demand for small vehicles. we lost our market share to the japanese. there's some people that don't like electric vehicles.

donald trump says we will build them in china. we are in a global marketplace. we are moving towards electric vehicles. donald trump is not going -- my industry, my workers are going to build these vehicles of the future. we will stay competitive and we will have good paying union jobs. that's what we are fighting for. he can put his head in the sand. donald trump has done that before. the reality is the future of transportation is moving to new technology. we will build that here in america with good paying union jobs. >> i saw you introducing shawn fain to the president. do you think he will get the endorsement of the uaw? he hasn't gotten it yet. >> he made very clear that they are -- that president trump would be a disaster. too many people are trying to politicalize the talks. it's about the workers and the companies. america is being reminded about how important the american auto

industry is to the economy. we are still the backbone of the american economy. i am focused and have said this repeatedly, people keep asking distracting questions. the focus should be on what the workers are talking about at the table with the companies and how we have a competitive auto industry that treats the worker fairly. >> the president also has only a 41% approval rating and worse a 37% approval on his handling of the economy in our latest nbc news poll. that's in contrast to better numbers for donald trump. it has connection to the reality in terms of by any what joe bid on the economy in these last two years, but he's not getting any credit for it. >> i'm going to say something very bluntly. i'm always the wrong person to ask about polling. because as you will recall correctly, i told you for more than a year that donald trump could win michigan and you all

told me the polls didn't say that, the polls were all wrong and the reason donald trump is an expert at one thing, and that is wedge issues and reading people's anxiety and concerns and democrats did a bad job of talking about trade in 2015 and 2016, which i told him. i know what he's doing right now. i know the wedge issues. he's trying to talk about electric vehicles, look, i want to make sure this company stays at the forefront of innovation and technology. we are going to do -- democrats are going to do a far better job of talking about what's been done, what's been accomplished and holding donald trump accountable for what he says. and i think we know we got to do it now and we're going to deliver on that. >> doesn't the white house need to do a better job of communicating that and taking the fight to the former president? >> i think that why is the president in michigan today? he's going directly to the workers and standing up for them. and i think all of us, by the way, i think the congress has not done this great job of

reminding people of what we have done with the bipartisan infrastructure law with the i.r.a., the kinds of things that are happening. all these republicans have voted against these bills and then go home and take credit for it. we got to start holding them accountable and got to do a better job. i'm proud of the fact i won the contest among democratic colleagues in august for who did the most events. i'm busy being out there, talking to people, reminding them of what we have done and the things, you know, we just announced $20 million for a bridge that was in terrible repair. that money came in from the bipartisan infrastructure law. replacing the lead and pipes, we took that on, we took that getting lead out of every pipe in america, broadband in every home, we got to do a better job of reminding people what we got done as democrats. republicans voted against it. and also voted against lowering the cost of insulin every month, i might add. >> and are democrats going to

vote for a short-term cr and bail kevin mccarthy out? >> i think it depends what we're voting on. none of us want to see the government shut down. i think it would be a disaster and not the way to run the government. if they have some ridiculous bill that would shut down -- and keep things that have to continue to happen in so many different ways, no. but i think we should have a simple continuing resolution to fund the government while we really do get these appropriations bills done. i hope that happens. i will do everything i can except support the group of small republicans that are trying to hold our government -- hijack it. but i hope we can keep the government open, which is why i am not in my district right now with the president on the picket line. i think it is a worker event. i'm flying back to try to keep the government open. >> see you in washington. thank you very much, debbie dingell, congresswoman from michigan. safety first, a judge citing the former president's

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the state judge overseeing former president trump's criminal case in georgia has now ordered the jurors' identities be kept private, prohibiting any photos or videos of jurors. the judge granted fani willis' request to keep the jurors a

secret after she raised concerns about their safety. joining me is former dekalb county district attorney gwenn keys and former u.s. attorney barb mcquaid. is it normal for the judge to protect the privacy of the jurors? >> this is a unique case. you have residents coming in to qualify as part of the panel and this takes away one of their concerns as to whether they can keep themselves safe and keep their families safe. so anonymity in this instance i think is the right call. >> barb, is it because of the particulars of this defendant and some of his co-defendants, you know, how aggressive they have been in the past, the accusations, the rhetoric? is this just indicated because of the high profile of the case? >> i don't think it is just the high profile. i think the concern is about their safety. i dealt with anonymous jurors before. it is usually in cases involving terrorism, organized crime, or

violent gangs. the worry is for the witnesses -- the jurors' safety. so it is quite remarkable that in a trial involving the former president it has come to this. i think all the reasons you just said, in light of the violence we have seen in people who oppose the president, this is a necessary step to ensure the safety of the citizens who answer the call of duty. >> former president trump's legal team objected strongly to the limited gag order that the judge in the federal case in washington was requested by jack smith for that federal case. what do you think of their argument, part of the argument was for the defense of trump's public comments and posts, trump's lawyers write the prosecution does not and cannot explain how president trump's statements would provoke any reasonable listener to lawlessness or otherwise fall within that small class of fighting words that are likely to provoke the average person to retaliation and therefore cause a breach of the peace. the key word there is reasonable

and average because some of his followers have been anything but, right? >> yes, what they're invoking there is the standard from a case where that's the standard for criminal -- the judge has a duty to protect the public safety of the public, the witnesses, the jurors, but also to ensure the integrity of the case so that the jury pool is not poisoned by this rhetoric. i think that the judge has a difficult task ahead of her in defining what the parameters are going to be. but in terms of imposing a gag order, it is done in many kinds of cases that are high profile and should be done in this one. >> and, gwen, just as we wrap up here, we're expecting to see the president on the picket line at any minute, do you still expect this case to go on time? >> i think so. we have got a few other pretrial motions to go. we're inside four weeks. but things are starting to line up where we could have a jury struck and sworn by sometime during the week of october 23rd.

>> gwen, thank you so very much. great to see you. and barbara mcquaid, thanks to you as well. that does it for a very busy day. any minute now the president will be appearing. stay with msnbc. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. joe biden's bid to be a working class hero unfolding right now in michigan. in the history-making appearance, the man dubbed union joe is about to symbolically lock arms with striking autoworkers while hoping to lock up their votes at the same time. we have got a live report coming up. plus, the hugely impactful decision now facing a d.c. judge. whether or not to impose a gag order on donald trump. jack smith insists he's trying to keep the judge and jury safe. trump's lawyers say i