options for small businesses. the opposite of what anti trust law is to do. the ftc didn't call for a break up or divestitures but it did raise the notion of structural relief which tends to refer to those types of actions. this will be up for a judge to decide though there are going to be many steps to the process. stock's down 4% today. >> morgan, thank you so much for that. and that is going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you. we just saw something we have never seen before in all of american history. a sitting president joining a strike. joe biden, union joe, as he likes to be known, walked the

picket line with the united auto workers in wayne, michigan. telling them that they deserve better. >> deserve the significant raise you need and other benefits. >> let's get it! yeah! >> step up for us. wall street didn't know, the middle class built the country. unions built the middle class. that's a fact. so let's keep going. you deserve what you've earned and you've earned a lot more than you're getting paid. >> that right there, the giant boost for unionized labor and acknowledged the system is out of whack and that workers are just as entitled to success. done by a man holding the most powerful position in our government. also though, a man who needs a

big boost himself. because what's good for the gander here is also potentially quite good for the goose. joining me now to explain, gabe gutierrez. nbc news correspondent, gray jay, cnbc correspondent covering the auto industry, phil lebeau. all three are in wayne, michigan. we also have peter baker with us. gabe, i'm going to begin with you. >> we're here outside of a plant in wayne, michigan. the president going to a gm plant nearby. i can tell you that union workers who he was speaking with this morning were very grateful to see the president coming to michigan. he's one they hoped he would come here a little sooner. and that really shows the

complicated nature of this. you see the video there. sean fayne standing shoulder to shoulder with the president and the president literally with a bull horn talking about solidarity with union workers. this is a shift from just a few days ago and the white house is trying to walk this fine line, trying not to antagonize the auto companies in their negotiations with the uaw but in the last few days after that invitation to come to michigan by fayne, we've noticed a shift and the president's support is being thrown behind the uaw today and speaking alongside, he said the enemy is not far away but in this area for corporate greed. it was a message that the white house says that president biden felt that he needed to come here to speak about. you see, you hear the honking behind me. cars going by this plant. and supporting the union workers

that have gathered here. >> you've been talking to union workers and covering this for a while. tell me what you've been hearing from them and whether their minds were changed? they felt differently about president biden after he showed up today. >> well, look, i think it's no secret that it was really a boost for those who have been walking the picket line here. take a look behind me. you can see outside the ford plant here, they have been excited all day. we've seen larger crowds than we've seen throughout the strike here and all of them very appreciative for the president's visit. did it change their minds about what's happening here? not really. they want to see some results in these negotiations and they say they haven't seen that to this point. what it did do, they believe, is really shine a brighter light on everything that's happening here and they say that's important as they continue this fight. >> jay, pan back at the people picketing, it doesn't look like many people. doesn't look like that big of a

deal. are looks deceiving or is this not as big of a deal as it's been covered? >> no, no. it is a huge deal. we've seen the crowd at this particular gate drop off just a bit but understand that for more than a mile, there are gates just like this along this roadway and there are crowds at every one of those gates, carrying signs, marching back and forth. this has been an important day for them. you talk about the history. sean fayne talked about why it's so important for the union and what they hope to gain from this visit. >> without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel would turn! that's what's different about working class people. whether we're building cars or trucks or running parts distribution centers, whether we're writing movies or performing tv shows, whether we're making coffee at starbucks, whether it's nursing

people back to health. whether it's educating students from preschool to college, we do the heavy lift. we do the real work. >> he believes this visit makes a difference across the board as far as unions are concerned. >> so, phil, does this drive the big three back to the negotiating table with a better offer? >> i'm sure they're not happy with what was reported by the pool camera. somebody yelled out should the workers get a 40% raise. that's what the uaw is asking for. 4.5% over the next four years. the president appeared to say yes. now, i could see the white house trying to walk this back in some fashion but it appears he says

yes. to put this into context, the uaw wants 40% over four and a half years. the big three with offering 20 or 21%. it's a huge gap. i can tell you from talking with executives at the big three, there's no way they are going to go to 40%. all of them said there's a limit to how high they can go in terms of a raise. if this visit does anything, will it spark more discussion? absolutely. we know there are active discussions today between ford and the uaw. having said that, i do not see this being resolved anytime soon. i think the uaw is embolden. i think the president's visit, his comments will make them say we're not going to give in. we're going to push for everything we believe in and i think we could see this extended further. >> part of what makes it so hard to do reporting out there, all three of you, is the number of cars that are driving by and honking their horns. we see it every few seconds. the protest behind you doesn't like giant. the cars, one after the another,

honking. there you hear it. the gallup poll on opinions, it shot up over the past few years. 67% of americans approve of labor unions. a record high of americans, 61%, say unions help rather than hurt the u.s. economy. they are overwhelmingly in support of these protests, strikes. does that though push the big three a little bit more than people even the president showing up? public opinion is not for a ceo right now getting a 40% wage hike while the workers do not. phil. >> they're not looking at those terms. here's the way the executives are locking at this. first of all, they don't like these strikes but they have not been pushed to major pain yet. just 15% of the u.s. auto production for the big three has been shutdown and it's not their most profitable vehicles. inventory levels remain relatively strong.

so if you are an executive, you're not to the point where you're crying uncle, however, you have to look at this and say okay, how much further can we go and still be competitive with foreign automakers and tesla. before this, the average all in hourly wage for a line worker was 64 to $66 an hour for the big three. for a foreign automaker, their line workers in the u.s. are making somewhere around $55 an hour. and it's estimated tesla's line workers are making $45 an hour. so now you're looking at this saying they want more and we've already got this huge gap? how much does that hurt us in terms of competition? that's the counter to everybody saying sure, give them 30%. >> $45 an hour to work for the richest man in the world. that says a lot. let me ask you, jay, about what you're hearing in terms of how long the workers are willing to stay on the picket line. do you get a sense of whether

they're feeling the pain now and how long they can they can last? >> i think there's no question that they are prepared to be here for the long haul. we've talked with several of the striking workers including some just called out last friday who say they're glad they got the call. they hoped they would be called out initially and they are glad to be on the line and supporting the union. i think they understand this is going to take some time. what a lot of these workers have told me is they've been making a sacrifice for more than a decade. returning some of the pay. returning some of their pension to help. they'll hold out for as long as necessary to get some of that back. >> all right. peter, let me ask you about the politics of this. i started this by saying what's good for the gander also might be good for the goose inverting that saying. president biden needs a goose himself. president biden is known, wants to be known as union joe. he says he's the most union friendly president in decades. the uaw is not yet endorsed him. he did show up today.

does this insure he's going to get their endorsement or donald trump shows up tomorrow, he's not going to be on the picket line but he is giving a speech to workers. >> one of the reasons why donald trump won in 2016 is because he was able to make inroads in the traditional democratic constituencies in places like michigan. working class. voters decided they weren't getting what they wanted and went for trump. it's been a priority for democrats like joe biden to win them back, to say we're going to compete for these voters. it should be for us not the republicans as biden would like to say. so he's out there competing. it's why you see him doing something no other president has before. he's not going to simply surrender michigan. michigan has been trending toward democrats. he wants to make sure that stay, whether the union leadership endorses him or not, he's making a message to the union membership and that's what

you're seeing. >> what's the risk for him? >> traditionally, presidents don't get you know take one side in a labor strike in a major industry like this because as president, your desire is to keep people relatively happy and keep the economy going. if this strike were to go on for a long period of time, that could endanger the overall economy in a way that obviously would work against his re-election interest. but he's gambling that he can help put pressure on the companies to come to the table and find a way to end this. it is a gamble for him. >> what about those approval numbers i just showed of his handle of the economy? voters have generally given the economy to republicans recently. they've said they've done a better job of it. the president though is presiding over an economy that's doing pretty well. there was all this talk of a recession. it never came. jobs numbers are pretty good. inflation is up but slowing. he can't seem to catch a break in terms of public opinion

though. >> no, he can't. not yet anyway. part of the argument is white house, give it time. these things are a lagging indicator. takes a while for people to see in their lives that things are going better than they had been. inflation is baked in. the prices, inflation has come back down to a more rational level than when it was 9% last year but prices haven't come back down. so it will take a while for wages to catch up with the inflation that took a bite out of people's take home pay. when they start to see that, maybe they'll feel differently. that's the white house's point of view. otherwise, the economy has been doing pretty well. markets are doing well. wages are starting to make progress against inflation. there are a number of indicators. no recession so far. we'll see what happens but for the moment, there's a disconnect between those numbers and how people see the economy. at least in relation to president biden. >> peter, phil, gabe, and jay,

gentlemen, all of you, thank you very much for starting us off. up next, the dilemma facing kevin mccarthy. keep the government open or save his speakership. plus, the pressure is on. 18 senate democrats have called for indicted senator, bob menendez, to resign including cory booker. what we are hearing on capitol hill. and a judge is deciding whether to dismiss new york's civil suit against donald trump. the ruling should come down any second now. if he lets it proceed, trial starts next week. we're back in 60 seconds. starts next week we're back in 60 seconds

the senate is readying a clean cr. a simple short-term budget bill. in this case, one without ukraine funding that will allow

congress a little more time to negotiate a full budget. that's the easy part. the hard part is whatever is going to happen next. whatever is going on in speaker mccarthy's head right now. does he put the senate's bill to the floor when it comes? if he doesn't, the government will almost certainly shutdown. joining us now is punch bowl news cofounder, jake sherman, and former press secretary for john boehner and nbc news political analyst, brendan buck. he was with john boehner during the 2013 government shutdown and ryan during the 2018 shutdown. you've got a lot of experience, my friend. i know you and jake don't agree on what's going to happen next. i'm curious to hear this debate. jake, this clean cr that's going to come from the senate, is that the likeliest path toward avoiding a government shutdown? >> let's start with this.

i'm not convinced it will be clean, as clean as is being reported. we reported this morning the white house does want some ukraine money in this. there are people who are going to push for disaster money. so i'm not, let's see what this, when this bill comes out, what's in it. that's number one. number two, here's where brendan and i disagree sharply in our text messages for the last month or so. i think so the house is going to spend all week with spending bills. there's a chance none are going to pass. mccarthy is going to try to pass a republican cr. also includes some border provisions. if a clean cr or anything approaching it comes from the senate to the house and mccarthy has to pass it with only democratic votes, he's not going to do that before sunday. i just, i think what he's going to do based on my reporting and we reported this today, he's going to try to amend it and add

border provisions. i don't think it will be in time to avert a shutdown. brendan disagrees vehemently with me on this. i really don't at this point sitting here today, i don't know how he averts a shutdown. >> you've been reporting on the government shutdowns in the past, but brendan, you've within in the room. tell me why you think jake's wrong. >> he caused all these government shutdowns. >> i don't know what's going to happen. i've never seen a situation this frankly screwed up. here's what should happen. the senate is giving mccarthy an off ramp. it was always going to be very tough pill to swallow, try to jam the house with ukraine funding. i think senate leaders understood that.

here, kevin, here's a clean cr. you have proven the house is incapable of passing anything. continuing resolution to keep the government open with republican only voting. funding bills. it is patently absurd to say that the house is going to be able to pass all of the funding for the rest of the government this week. now i understand there are people like matt gaetz who don't want to do a spending bill. they want to stay shutdown until all the government's funded. that's not going to happen. i think mccarthy given this exit ramp should say i understand what you want, but that's absurd. we're going to keep the government open for 45 days so we can work on this together. the sharks are circling. i get it. the weaker you act in this moment and the more you let them push you around, it's only going to excite them. if i'm mccarthy, we need more

time to figure this out. i'm just going to extend the timeline for 45 days. that's not a big deal. if matt gaetz wants to take him out, this is ridiculous. >> isn't it insane where we're in the position of keeping the lights on and mccarthy wanted to keep his job? >> it doesn't have to be that way. i think he can survive a 45-day cr. >> jake, do you think i'm wrong? >> i don't disagree. i think if he were to choose in the unlikely scenario in my estimation. listen, i don't disagree but what i do think is it will be his second step. i think he's going to have to show some fight here. have to try to get some border provisions in the cr. i think he's not going to be successful. let's get that out of the way. but i don't think before september 30th he's going to

take the move of taking that off ramp. but in my guess is that when he eventually has to cave to that reality, that he needs a cr, a stopgap measure and if people try to take him out because of that, i'd have to imagine there are some democrats who'd vote to table that motion or try to support him. i don't know that to be sure but i think thatst the likelihood. i just don't think given all the things that have to happen in the next couple of days that we get to a place by sunday where his first move is taking that off ramp. just my guess. >> jake, i want to ask you about menendez. we've been talking to democrats and there seem to be rumblings that they might be interested in helping mccarthy save his job. maybe understanding the chaos is not great thing for anybody and also that what comes after mccarthy might be worse. is it wrong to think about

democrats coming to save him? >> well, no. it's not wrong. i think they're not going to get what they want policy wise but i do think that what sits on the other side of a mccarthy speakership is not as good for democrats. >> let me ask you about menendez. everybody was waiting to see what cory booker would do. today, he said menendez should resign. booker went to bat for him during the last indictment. we're still waiting on what chuck schumer might say. what's going to happen next? >> well, schumer's going to the floor about now. i don't know that he's going to say anything on this. here's the signals that i'm seeing now. number one, senate democratic leadership clearly isn't doing anything to try to tamp down the resignation or the calls for resignation. that's a telling sign. number two, it's not in menendez's incentive right now to resign. true on capitol hill is that the best time, the worst time to

resign is when you've been indicted, you have your seen, it's typically a bargaining chip. that's the maximum that most people follow in the situation that he's in. i've got no signals that he's imminently stepping down at any point anytime soon. >> and what happens if he does? does the governor of new jersey appoint somebody? >> yes. his wife has indicated she might be interested in running. so you could have someone close to home. >> he's term limited, too, so maybe he would want that seat after that. jake, brendan, please always bring your online texts arguments to this show. >> we'll just add you to the chain. >> i would be happy to wake up to a slew of text messages arguing what might happen next in congress. gentlemen, thank you. coming up next, we need adults in congress who can actually pass things and keep the government open and funded. just my opinion. what donald trump's lawyers are

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the judge basically laughed and said what do you mean? fraud is fraud. it is true that maybe the banks made money off of donald trump but the fact remains in new york it is illegal to falsify business records. >> so you think the judge is going to let to proceed. >> yes. >> is it goes to trial monday if it does proceed. in d.c., a new filing from trump's lawyers. saying this narrow gag order request from jack smith because they said trump's rhetoric was too much, is an attempt to muzzle trump during the campaign. they're arguing free speech. >> they did not say donald trump can't speak about his case.

he can quote from public documents. they want the judge to say stop him from making disparaging, intimidating statements against witnesses, judges. >> does he for the judge on this because donald trump will use any ruling against him in this respect to say he's being silenced. i know this is a case that everyone says should be treated like all others but it is a guy that's running for president. a guy that has a giant platform and can cause a lot of harm if he uses that platform to rile people up. >> that's why i believe the judge will give a gag order. >> the harm to the credibility, the trust worthyness of the justice department. >> the problem is for the perspective jurors. the prosecution is tainted. the witnesses, he said mike pence, who is a witness. he can say mike pence would make

a horrible president. what he can't say is mike pence will be a horrible witness. don't believe him when he comes and testifies. donald trump is not a dumb person. >> speaking of stuff you can find online because people are angry about this case and donald trump himself, georgia, fulton county, the perspective jurors that are going to come in for the first trial on october 23rd with two the witnesses or co-defendants, the identities of those jurors will be kept secret. why. >> it's a good decision. particularly before the trial, there has been you know threats or something the judge feels i have to protect these jurors. the judge in the federal trial

with jean carroll did the same. we did not learn the identity of those jurors. >> there is security for those jurors. one last one. this is hunter biden suing rudy giuliani over his laptop. what's the case? >> rudy giuliani, if you remember back in 2020, basically bragged about having hunter biden's laptop. one thing, he had the external hard drive and has the right to sue. i would be upset if it was going to conflict with his pending case. this has nothing to do with firearm possession or alleged tax crimes he committed. >> it's a privacy thing.

>> thank you so much. that was quite a few cases. appreciate it. and knowledge. coming up, the stage is set for tomorrow's debate. the second republican debate who did not make the cut this time around and what voters frankly want to hear from those who will on the stage. first though, hollywood writers may be heading back to work, but the actors aren't yet. what is next for them? and how production can start limitedly without the actors needed to play the roles. thout s needed to play the roles having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide.

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i'm excited to read it and see what it is. it feels good. there's a reason why we have a tentative agreement. >> i'm glad one log jam was broken and i hope it means the next is going to be broken soon. >> i love those glasses. the wga and hollywood studios, their deal looks like a go. this was the celebration in los angeles once the news of the deal was announced. union leadership says the terms are exceptional. terms that the actors are now studying for their own negotiation. so when are the lights going to come back on in hollywood? joining us now is matthew bellamy. the terms, the deal, are spectacular. what are the terms? >> that's according to the deal. we haven't actually seen those terms. they're set to reveal them when

the leadership votes on whether they're going to put them in front of the membership for ratification. the early buzz on them is they did get gains in most of the areas that they were fighting for. how big those gains are, we don't know yet, but they did get big advancements on some of the things. especially from what was overed on may 1st when they decided to go on strike. >> so once this deal gets ratified, when could the writers be voting on this and after they vote on it, when are we going to see production turned back on? >> so, the writers' process now is that it will be put before them for a vote assuming the leadership is okay with these terms. in the last strike, it was 94% of the writers that voted voted for the deal. so that's about two weeks it takes to do that. so the writers will be free after that to go back to work. that will probably mean the production on late night shows,

on daytime shows. the things that don't need actors can start right then. the bigger question is the actors guild. sag-aftra. they are still on strike and they have not yet started the negotiations with the uds. that could begin as early as next week, but they have to come to a deal before traditional film and television can go back into production. >> i imane they're studying the terms of this deal because there was a lot of the same issues between these two unions. >> absolutely. they do have distinct issues. the sag-aftra ask on minimum wage is about double what the writers are even asking for so that's going to be a big negotiation. but a lot of the things the writers wanted, protections against ai exploitation andhis transparency metric they wanted so they got paid more when their shows did more on streaming, that's similar to what the actors want. the thinking around hollywood is

that the writers deal will be a template for what the actors will use to go and negotiate and thus, it could take a lot less time to come to a deal. the best case scenario people are talking about is around thanksgiving. >> so i know you haven't seen the terms of the deal and tell me if you can't answer this, but i wonder what this teaches us about the future of the industry? the fact they were on strike for five months and were able to come out with a deal. what does it tell us about what things are going to look like the next five to ten years? >> well, the devil will be in the details of this deal. generally speaking, depends on what you think of unions. if you look at the damage that was done to the economy for almost five months of inactivity, it's pretty significant. billions of dollars. however, the writers have maintained from the beginning that holding out is necessary to continue writing as a profession that middle class people can

actually have and it won't just become a situation where there's a couple that are phenomenally wealthy and then everybody else is scraping by. so i think the fact they held out and at least got something here signify that is the union process in hollywood does work. >> we just at the top of the show showed polling, how the american public feels about unions and majority of, good majority of americans think unions are on the right side and that they're necessary to keep things fair. matt, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> no problem. coming up next, donald trump is skipping tomorrow's republican debate. will his absence matter to voters? absence matter to voters taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire

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themselves tomorrow at the debate in california. and nikki haley who is now in second place in new hampshire. joining us now is dasha burns. after the last debate, nikki haley seemed to be the one that came out on top. her numbers have gone up. she's now in second place in one poll in new hampshire. donald trump is not appearing. he's choosing to stay off that debate stage. what does that mean for the rest of them? do they have a shot at trying to unseat him by having a floor that he's not on? >> well, look, it means that they have an opportunity to not have the oxygen sucked out of the room by donald trump, right. that's what i heard from voters who watched the last debate. they were kind of happy that trump wasn't there because it means they could actually hear from the other candidates. the last debate did kind of move

the needle. nikki haley had a pop. ramaswami stole the spotlight. these debates matter because there are a few states that are really critical. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. voters in those states are paying really close attention now. nikki haley right now is probably preparing to take some heat because as you know, once you have momentum, the knives come out. last time it was ramaswami in the hot seat. the person expecting the most, ron desantis, did not get him. it will be if he does this time around. he's probably the person with the most pressure on. he's had the most sort of slip and slide in the polls, so he's got a lot to prove this time around. he needs to create a moment for himself. >> dasha burns, thank you very much. tomorrow, rachel ddow, joy

reid and nicolle wallace will bring you expert analysis following the second republican debate. that's 11:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. coming up, a new report on how much teens are actually using their cell phones. why they just can't look away. and what can be done to help break the addiction? ion? [music playing] subject 1: cancer is a long journey. it's overwhelming, but you just have to put your mind to it

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it was never exactly easy to pay attention in school, but now it can be nearly impossible to focus. why? because of these godforsaken things. here's nbc news senior national correspondent kate snow with some surprising data and what can be done to help curb the addiction. >> we have known for a while that kids are spending hours and hours on smartphones. but this groundbreaking report is giving us a better understanding of what kind of

apps they're using, at what times, for how long, and how, despite kids' best efforts to pull away, a lot of kids and teens get sucked back in. >> reporter: it's a defining feature of a generation, kids constantly scrolling, messaging, playing games, watching videos. now a new report is shining a light on just how much phones are trying to grab our kids' attention. common sense media tracked the android phones of 200 kids ages 11 to 17 to see what they're doing. 97% of them use their phones during school hours. almost 60% use them between midnight and 5:00 a.m. on school nights. and the most striking headline -- more than half the kids got 237 notifications or more every day, with some receiving more than 4,500. researchers say snapchat and discord, apps kids use for messaging, sent the most notifications.

>> the business model of social media platforms is to keep you on the platform so they can sell you ads. it's an arms race for your attention. >> reporter: not all notifications are created equal. teens said it's easier to ignore impersonal alerts, but if it's from friends, they're drawn to their phones. every time somebody sends you a direct message in snapchat, you get a pop-up. >> yeah. >> does it make you want to look? >> yeah. >> reporter: this young girl wasn't in the study. but her top social media app is tiktok. what do you love about tiktok? >> i think that feeling of indulgence when you're, like, scrolling through the videos and how you get so interested and pulled into it, it's interesting to me. >> reporter: she spends a lot of time on the app, which was news to her mother. >> i'm shocked. >> reporter: a lot of moms, if their kids sat down and told them exactly what they're doing, would have that feeling. >> reporter: nbc news reached

out to social media companies highlighted in the report. tiktok says it sets a 60-minute daily screen time limit on teen accounting under 18, but teens can enter a pass code to continue watching. snapchat and discord said their notifications are similar to text alerts. on snapchat, users have to opt in for notifications. both say the number can be adjusted. meta, instagram, and facebook's parent company, tells us it has tools specifically designed to help teens limit their time and minimize notifications. teens are sent a take-a-break mess aej after a certain period of time. many kids are trying to set limits. but it doesn't always work. >> i know the password to it so i can get by the limit. >> reporter: you reach the limit and do you find yourself putting in the password? >> yes, all the time, all the freaking time. >> reporter: why is that, do you think? >> i think most of the time i'm just not done watching a video and i'm really invested, or,

yeah, i just want more time on my phone. >> reporter: she admits her understanding of social media is limited, making conversations about what app her daughter uses challenging. >> it is difficult because the new generation, more about these cell phones than my generation. >> reporter: many parent are with her on that. common sense is offering questions and talking points to help parents start the conversation, like which apps take up most of their time? what draws them in? begin with admitting how you use your phone. >> it's really up to you as a parent to be having an ongoing, i say nonjudgmental discussion with your kids, but also talking about the positive things they can get from interaction on screens, because that is the life kids are living. >> every single kid is using their phone differently. some it's gaming, some social media, some are have youtube on all night long because they're listening to music as kind of white noise as they sleep.

we mentioned there is a list of actual questions that parents can use to start the conversation with their own kids. we pulled all that together on today.com. back to you. >> makes me want to throw this thing into the east river. that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. i'm ali velshi in for nicolle wallace. a high-stakes battle is unfolding at this moment. what is an ex-president with a history of inflammatory remarks allowed to say about the criminal case involving the plot to overturn the 2020 election? late last night, trump's attorneys filed a response opposing jack smith's request for an order limiting what trump can say about the case. that request is as close to -- the response is aslo